tv Face the Nation CBS February 21, 2016 10:30am-11:00am EST
>> dickerson: the republican field shrinks, after pushing and shoving in south carolina leles to big win for donald trump. >> let's go. let's have a big win in nevada. let's have a big win. let's put this thing away. >> dickerson: a virtual tie for second place between marco rubio and ted cruz and loss for jeb bush. >> the people of iowa and new hampshire and south carolina decision. tonight i am suspending my campaign. >> dickerson: we'll talk to the top three finishers in south carolina plus bernie sanders and john kasich all coming up on captioning sponsored by cbs "face the nation." good morning welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson. it was a night for the front runners with hillary clinton finishing ahead of bernie sanders in nevada by six-point margin. donald trump came up with a big win in south carolina. where he finished with% of the vote. marco rubio and ted cruz battled it another for second separated by just ahousand votes.
fourth and ended his campaign we have four republican presidential candidates we go first to donald trump who joins us from west palm beach. mr. trump, is it now your nomination to lose? >> i don't think so. look, i'm dealing with very, very talented people, smart people, good people. i think they will be competing, i had great victory yesterday in south carolina. it was amazing. new hampshire was amazing. the size of the victories i think were incredible. yesterday i won every delegate. i won all seven congressional districts on top of having a big margin. that was a great victory. we're off to nevada, off to atlanta. then i go to nevada where i'll be for a couple of days i have lot of property out there, lot of great employees. i think i should do well in nevada. >> dickerson: if you get the nomination you'd be shocked?
look again i'm competing against professional politicians, senators, top of the line. ben carson is still in he's a terrific guy and a talented guy. i'm competing against a lot of really good people. i don't want to say it's mine. certainly i'm leading, there's no question about that. we've got long way to go. >> dickerson: marco rubio said now that the campaign is in this phase you have to be more specific about your foreign policy vision and knowledge. >> well, i think i have great knowledge of foreign policy, frankly. despite what some people said i was always against the war in iraq, lot of people weren't. ey just got on this bandwagon recently because it was a disaster. i had great knowledge of military and i think i have better vision for syria than lot of so-called great military geniuses saying to fight the war with syria. and my opinion they're doing just the opposite, going to start world war three over syria be there for the next 40 years.
years in the middle east much more than that probably. we've spent probably $4 trillion maybe more than that. it's time to do something about it. and it's time to also knock isis out. you have to knock isis out. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your position on the iraq war. you've referred to that a lot. everybody has gone through the things you said. seems like a lot morere muted your opposition to the war, everybody knows when you say something it's pretty clear what you mean. on iraq it was a little bit more muddled than you've been making it seem. >> well, john, you have to understand i wasn't a politics, i hadn't even thought of being a politics, nobody every talked to me about the war. not like now where every day you're being asked questions about things. i spoke with howard stern who is a friend of mine on his show. and this was many months before, he was talking about, yeah, i don't know, i was thinking about it. i didn't even think about it. when the war start, actually joe
put something out where basically is on my side, that was early on, that was before the fact it was very early on. he interviewed me years ago at the very beginningng that was just put out yesterday evening i thank joe for that. look, i was against it. i was against it very early. and we shouldn't have been in there. i think it is probably perhaps the worst mistake we've ever made. first of all, they didn't knock down the world trade center it wasn't iraq, it was other people. without mentioning names, it was other people. some day open the report and find out. but it was other people that knocked down the world trade center. so, no reason to go into a big thing now. it was a horrible mistake that unfortunately we should never have done we lost trillions of dollars, thousanan of lives, wounded warriors who are all over the place and here is the other part. iran is taking offeree a. they wanted it for decades and decades. they're taking it over.
here, they are going in taking over, just walk in they can do whatever they want they are already taken it over. >> dickerson: last week when the pope made his remark about your christianity, no leader especially religious should have right to question another man easy ridge on or faith. just last week you questioned ted cruise's christianity several time in the course of the campaign might have helped you win south carolina. why is it okay for you not okay for the pope? >> , no i never questioned ted's ted's -- anything having to do with his religion. i just said you can't lie and hold up a bible. you can't do that. just can't do that it's not appropriate. i was tough on him. because things were said abut me that were not true and marco rubio said that he lied, i've never seen a politician say to another politician that he lied. i guess it happens. but what marco actually gave me cover because he actually said the same thing, he said it during the debate that he was
i just said you can't say things which are lies and claim christianity you just can't do it. i don't think it's good. i'm not questioning his christianity i think it's inappropriate toold up the bible and lie. >> dickerson: do you think the pope actually may have helped you in south carolina? >> i'm a aed that question so much. first, i was in state of shock because e ve never seen the pope talk about something as unimportant as donald trump. i was like, the pope is talking about me? this can't be happening, is it good or bad? they said it's bad. this was day before the election. i asked the pope is saying bad thing about me the day before the election? then i gathered myself and i realized that it had to do with illegal immigration. that he was opposed to my measures which is basically creating a border. and i came out very strongly that we want a border and the mexican government probably convinced him that donald trump was saying not nice things about the border. i think it worked out well.
i think it was probably neutral. i don't think it was negative but could have been a tremendous negative. turned out to be probably mutual. i don't think it was -- the pope is very nice, by the way. yesterday the pope issued a very nice statement and i appreciated it. >> dickerson: we'll have to leave it there, mr. trump. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we go now to nashville and senator marco rubio. senator, you're saying that it's now a three-man race. that means to get to the nomination you have to get past donald trump. is that just going to happen or do you have to make that happen? >> you have to make that happen. but part of the dynamic up to this point is donald has been in the mid 30s to low 30s high 20s in most polls then 70% says we're not voting for him. but they're divided up. that five or seven people continues to narrow down going to make the race clearer and clear: still have the then vote. there are people supporting donald trump that we believe we
so it is a smaller race than it was last night. i think practically speaking it is down to three people who are still running full scale national campaign. i have tremendous respect for governor carson i know he's going to stay in the race and john kasich is out there basically going to spend week in michigan make that his priority. today alone we'll be in three states and continue to come pain everywhere. we feel really good about this coalescing. of course anyone wants to join our effort they should go to our website marcorubio.com. we need your help. >> dickerson: how are you going to take those voters away from donald trump. what is your argument? >> i think here is the argument i'm very realistic about the hall thanks we face. i've seen it up close in 2010 i ran for the senate five years ago. i've only been there five years but it's been enough time to know the damage barack obama has done to this country. i'm realistic, and optimistic about our future. a few things if we do them we'll history.
if i running to be president of the united states can't just tell people you're going to make america great again, i think you need to begin exactly how you're going to do it policy wise. we're not going to win the general election with candidate that refuses to detail policy. obviously donald still has time then we can have policy debate about whose ideas are better. i honestly believe that once people begin to understand what's at stake here that we have a chance here not just to make our country great but greater than it's ever been. we have plan to do it. i that i is going to influence a lot of voters not to mention coalesce those maybe with someone else first. >> dickerson: you want mr. trump to be more specific, offer more policies, people have been asking abut that for him for months. the polls show that voters seem to be flocking to him because he's the stronger candidate on issues of national security. are people wrong about that? how do you convince them they're not right to be for trump because he's stronger? >> well, i think strong rhetoric and strong action are two separate things.
anyone can go over the top say things that sound strong. enough. you're going to do it. if you look at some of the policies he's talked about, they would not make america stronger. his views on vladimir putin are fundamentally understands who he is or what he's trying to do. these are the kinds of things that i think in detail need to understand. when you're the commander in chief you're the commander in chief on day one. you don't get like six-month grace period. the world doesn't just stop, let's wait until the president catches up before we start challenging america. you got to know what you're doing on your very first day there. this is not an attack or anything that have nature, just very sim pep observation, if you want to be pad you have to start detailing some specific public policy and i don't think from this point forward in the campaign voters will be as tolerant of the lack of that as they have been up to now. >> dickerson: would you expect to see specific policy on? >> on everything.
we all agree we're going to repeal obamacare what but is it i.t. going to be replaced with. again, on issues of energy. how are we going to utilize our energy resources, what is the role of federal government in higher education. what kind of justices would you appoint to the supreme court not just because we have vacancy now but at least one or two potentially in the next four to eight years. virtually every major issue that is before this country that is natural per view of the federal government, have some specificity of what you're going to do if you want to be president. up to this point it hasas't been a huge factor but it will be. let me say this, the democrats, if we dominate someone who is neb would you husband about these things they're going to eat our lunch in november. we have to at this timely have someone ready to go that can win because we cannot lose this election. they cannot be the next president. >> dickerson: last question on politics. three contests, you have yet to win one. is there a daneer that everybody's second choice?
because as i explained earlier when you have seven or eight people competing for the same chunk of votes it's a lot of votes. but if you have sech or eight people it's all segmented. now that the race begins to narrow you have clear indication. as we look at this race we understood that this narrowing had to happen before the winner take all states that will begin in the middle of march. we feel good about the states we're going into and process to win delegates. we're in good shape. got to keep working hard. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us, senator marco rubio. >> thank you. dickerson: next up from columbia, south carolinas texas senator ted cruz. you said last night your campaign was defying expectations in south carolina. wasn't the expectation that you should have done better in south carolina given that large share of conservatives in the state and very large share of those who self identified as evangelical christians? >> you know, john, if you look at the first three primaries we started in iowa where all of the media said we didn't have a chance, we couldn't win.
iowa with a big margin. we went on to new hampshire, all the media said a conservative could not compete in a moderate new england state. we won very strong third place finish in new hampshire. then we went to south carolina. where a week ago donald trump had a 20-point dominating lead, ended up closing that gap tremendously and finishing with effectively tied for second place. and that combination, what that is done to the race is at this point we've seen the race, the field narrow dramatically and from is only one strong conservative who has a path to winning that is having the affect of unifying conservatives nationally and keying us up for nevada especially super tuesday, that was always our plan, do well in the first three states then compete and have very strong night. we're ideally positioned to do exactly that. >> dickerson: you made the case that you're the only candidate who can unite the diverse parts of the conservative coalition
exit polls, you do very well with those who identify as strongly consertive but you have trouble in the other areas. how are you going to solve that problem? >> one of te very encouraging things we saw in the exit polls we young people. we were in first place among young people in south carolina. it's interesting because we also won young people in iowa and we took second among young people in new hampshire. if you can stitch together that kind of coalition with young people bringing together conservatives and evangelicals and i'll tell you in iowa we also won reagan democrats, working class voters. as you know, john, historically in order to have chance to win the nomination you have to win one of the first three states. there are only two people that have done that. donald trump and me. and one of the things we're seeing is across the country, there are a lot of republicans who think donald trump is not the right guy to go head to head with hillary clinton, that we probably lose that match up. about 70% of republicans believe that.
together behind our campaign because we're the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that can beat donald trump. you can't beat donald trump from the left. you can't beat donald with a candidate who is supported amnesty. donald wins that head to head. head to head with me question beat donald trump by 16 points and so what we're seeing, john, is incredible. people all over the country are going to tedcruz.org, over 980,000 contribution we want a strong conservative. we want someone who can beat hillary and i beat hillary and donald sadly the polling shows doesn't. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question abut evangelical voters in north carolina, they went for donald trump over you. do you think that he he questioned your christianity during the course of the south carolina campaign? >> there's no doubt that both donald and marco got very personal, got very nasty. and both of them when you point to their records, they follow
liar, liar, they attack your character, as you know from the very beginning of this campaign nearly a year now, i have consistently refused to respond in kind. i'm not going to impugn anyone's integrity, not going to attack their character. in fact i will happily praise both donald trump and marco rubio as men who i admire, as people i'm not going to go personal with them. but i do think we should be focused on substance and record. if you want a candidate who opposes amnesty, who opposes citizenship for the 12 million people here illegal loo i'm the only candidate who opposes that. if you want candidate who is led the fight against obamacare, who will lift the burdens on small businesses and bring back jobs, i'm the only candidate in the race with that proven record. if you want candidate to defenen life and marriage and religious liberty and second amendment and appoint strong constitutionalists to the court.
uniting behind our campaign. if they want to continue with the attacks that's their prerogative. we'll stay focused on the substance. i think that that the voters want and what they deserve. >> dickerson: the question of immigration and building a wall, you want the same thing. but he's had a lot of experience in the business world executing, gettings things done in the businessman, what would you say to a voter who said, okay, you may share the same goals with donald trump on this, but you lack that experience of having executed the way he has in the private sector. >> well, listen, i have joked more than once on the campaign trail that i'm going to build a wall. and i have somebody in mind to build it. there's no doubt that if you want to building contract or donald would be a strong contender for that. the question we havee here is who is a leader on this issue. back in 2013 when we were having the epic battle on amnesty, when marco rubio joined up with barack obama and harry reid to push amnesty i led the fight
shoulder with jeff sessions and steve king and millions of americans, donald trump was no where to be found. he was tweeting support for amnesty just couple of years ago even now if you ask donald he wants to give citizenship to the 12 million people here illegally. he wants to deport them let them come right back in. if you're a hard working steel worker or truck driver, that drives down your wages, that takes away your jobs. i think we need to be fighting for the working member and women of the country not the money of new york interest. >> dickerson: we'll have to leave it there. we'll be back in a minute. you can't predict... the market. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments
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but i think that after south carolina we have 11 states, we stand a good chance of winning a number of those states. we think we have a whole lot of -- we lost yesterday in nevada by five points. a month ago we were 5 points behind. if you look at the national polls, those are tightening up, some cases we're ahead nationally. i think people around this country are responding to our message of a corrupt campaign, finance system and broken criminal justice system. i'm feeling quite good. >> dickerson: how should people judge the sanders' campaign as you said you've come a long way, your message has influenced hillary clinton a great deal. but should people say, where are some big wins for bernie sanders or should they say, this is a message campaign and let the message continue through the contest. >> no, this is not a message campaign. we're in this race to win. i think on super tuesday, for
victories, john, as you know, most people know, that these are primary elections and caucus elections are proportional. that means that it's not winner take all. hillary clinton and nevada got 19 delegates we got 15 delegates we need 2400 to win. it's a state by state process. we are going to win some big states i think on super tuesday. >> dickerson: in the cbs poll nevada caucus, 90% said they thought hillary clinton had the right experience to be president. only about 10% said you had the right experience. how do you change that feeling? >> well, i think remember when we started this campaign, hillary clinton is almost universally known. she was a first lady, she was secretary of state, she was a senator. i am a senator from the very small state and great state of vermont. not a lot of people know me or my experience. my 25 years in congress, eight years as mayor of the city of burlington.
i think we are making progress, we have long way to go. people also have got to understand the agenda that we are fighting. this is a senator who has taken on every powerful special interest, whether it's wall street, whether it's drug companies ripping off the american people, military industrial complex, more people know our record the better we do. i point out, john, that just yesterday to the best of my knowledge we actually won latino vote in nevada that is a major break through for us in reaching out to a diverse nation. >> dickerson: that is major break through. hillary clinton however won among african american voters, a large portion of the electorate in south carolina, you don't seem to be making inroads and the clock is ticking. >> we are making inroads. we are doing better interestingly lot of holding that i see not along racial lines but generational lines. we are doing better and better among younger people, not so
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