tv Face the Nation CBS March 7, 2016 2:05am-3:05am EST
delegate winner take can maine and kansas. donald trump took louisiana and kentucky. is it down to with-man race? >> i would love to take on ted one on one. that would be so much fun. >> dickerson: fun for donald trump but not so much fun for the republican party. who some say is in the process of shattering. we'll talk with trump and cruz, plus we'll hear from the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. and with hillary clinton's wins this week she's turning her attention to donald trump. plus a look at what is coming up in michigan on tuesday with new cbs news brattle ground tracker numbers. hair-raising campaign all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we sat down with donald trump at his home in palm beach shortly before the polls closed last night. mr. trump you're bringing a lot of new people in to the republican party, some people are saying they want to leave the republican party.
who want to live. good riddance? >> they shouldn't leave. they should get together and i think everybody should be unified and frankly we're building up numbers that are incredible within the republican party. you've been seeing whether it's south carolina or new hampshire, the numbers are astronomical. and i don't think they have ever seen anything like this. >> dickerson: by the way, democrats are losing. the democrats it is going down 35 and we're going up 50%. couple of states over 100%. >> dickerson: what do you make of the effort to try to take the nomination away from you? maybe even by going to the convention? >> i'm very surprised by it. i'm very surprised hear about a third party because i'm going to appoint conservative judges. i thought that would mean that hillary would win or whoever is going to be running. you're going to have liberal judges probably as many as four or even five if you can believe that during this period of time. so, a third party means absolutely they will have four or five very liberal judges
five very conservative judges. i think it's really playing with fire. >> dickerson: they say they can't be in party with you. >> i don't understand that. i get along with people. i'm a unifier, i'm very much a unifier maybe people don't see that but they will see that. my relationship to people has been great over the years. but again i'm new to politics. i've been doing this now for seven months. i think i've done very good job in seven months. we have a tremendous number of people coming in and a tremendous number of people showing up to vote. the lines in all of these states that i've won have been record setting. >> dickerson: let moo me ask you about unifier in this very room big night on super tuesday you said about paul ryan, that you hope get along with him but if you didn't, quote, he's going to have to pay a big price. also asked about john mccain he has to be very careful. how can you be a unifier when you're saying those kind of things? >> i think you would pay big
he's done good job -- i may be more conservative than him i'm stronger on the border than him. but he's done a very good job, very much in fair of paul ryan because i think he did up as a unifier. he was chosen for that reason. >> dickerson: lot of people read that as a threat. >> it's not a threat. dickerson: let moo ask you about your position on torture, when we talked last week you shade general hayden was wrong then he said that military wouldn't follow you on the question of waterboarding and on the killing of terrorist families. in the debate you said if i say do it, they are going to do it. talking about the military. on friday you said i will not order our military to violate the laws. >> you never asked me 'built violating laws in all fairness we were talking about -- i would say this. we have an enemy in the middle east that is chopping off heads and massive drownings. they don't play by the laws, they're laughing at us right now.
laws so that we can better compete. it's very tough to beaten piece that don't have any -- don't have any restrictions, all right? we have these massive restrictions. now i will abide by the law but i would like to have the law expanded. i would like -- >> dickerson: how? >> i'd like to -- i happen to think that when you're fighting an enemy that chops off heads, i happen to think this we should use something that is stronger than we have right now. right now basically waterboarding is essentially not allowed as i understand it. >> dickerson: ud would like it to be. >> i would certainly like it to be at minimum -- at minimum to allow that. >> dickerson: why do you think we don't have waterboarding -- >> i think we have become very weak and ineffective that's why not we're in the beating isis. >> dickerson: you think people got rid of the law to be weak? >> no. i think that we are weak. i think we're weak. we cannot beat eyes. we should beat isis very quickly. general at that time ton would have had them down.
we are -- let me just put it differently. when isis people chop off the heads go back to their homes and they talk, and they hear we're talking about waterboarding like it's the worst thing they just drowned a hundred people and chopped off 50 heads, they must think we are a little bit on the weak side. >> dickerson: the reason that waterboarding was -- number of reasons but one was because worry was that if america does that then our soldiers, american hostages will be treated even worse that's the argument, what do you think that have? >> killing ourselves when they capture them. they're doing that anyway. if that were the case, we won't do it you don't do it but we're not playing by those -- did somebody tell isis, we're going to treat your guys well would you please do us favor treat our guys well? they don't do that. we're not playing by -- we are playing by rules but they have no rules. it's very hard to win. >> dickerson: that would separate us from the savages.
dickerson: there for throw all the rules out. >> we have beat the savages. dickerson: by being savages. >> you have to play the game the way they're waying the plame. you're not going to win if we are soft and they are -- they have no rules. >> dickerson: how? >> do all that have within the laws, but i think we have to increase the laws because the laws are not working obviously or r all you have to do take look what is going on. and they're getting worse. they're chopping, chopping, chopping, we're worried about waterboarding. i just think it's -- i think our priorities are mixed up. >> dickerson: another topic. paul ryan this week said, quotef a person wants to be nominee of the republican party there can be no evasion and no games. they must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. >> but i have rejected. how many times do i have to reject. ivory corrected david duke. i have rejected the kkk, the ku klux klan from the time i'm five years old i rejected them.
how many times -- amazing things with twitter i have more than six million, i have another six million with facebook like 14 million with instagram. when i put out a minor message, everybody picks it up. donald trump did -- let me explain. when i put out that i reject the kkk and david duke, nobody picks it up. you why they don't? they don't want. to you pick it up. everyoneless picks it up. you saw. practically at the same time. they don't want to pick it up. i have been asked this question so many times, i have rejected it so many times, in fact -- >> dickerson: what do you think of ryan saying that, that's my question. >> i was -- i don't know, he's getting lot of his information from you guys. so when i tweet about the rejection, right after that show ended because maybe i wasn't clear or something. how many times do i have to say it. forget i told cnn when chris christie endorsed me, very good endorsement, one of the questions -- my question was, i
conference was like day before. how many times did i have to reject or disavow. >> dickerson: let me ask you this, david duke saying to his supporters and followers, vote for donald trump, white supremacist, do you want though votes? >> i don't want them. i can't help if he says it f. he says it, but i don't want it and i don't -- if he says it -- johnf he says it he says it, okay. do i want it, no. >> dickerson: you don't want the supporters? >> i don't like any group of hate. hate groups are not for me. i said this before. the press hates me to say it. they just don't want to pick it up. >> dickerson: you are thinking more about the general election, in december of last year you said, talking about hillary clinton, you said we view this as war. then you asked the audience, don't we view this as word? do you view it as war? >> a little bit, yeah. highly competitive. last person she wants to run
i know that. sort of interesting one of your competitors said, i know that hillary clinton wants to run against donald trump. i called him i said, here is the story. if they say they want to run against me that means they don't want to run against me. do you understand that? because that's the way -- it's like game of chess. but i know for a fact, you know for a fact, last person she wants to run against is me. i've won numerous polls against hillary and i haven't started on hillary. only one brief moment. because that have moment, hillary went way, way down and bernie got credit for it. they said he was running a great campaign. had i not had -- she not given me that moment with her and bill, bernie would not be nearly as close. bernie is not going to win, anyway. but she went way down in that period of time. and the last person she wants to run against is me i will tell you i will beat her. i beat her in a lot of polls as you know but people don't say that. >> dickerson: all right,
>> thank you very much. dickerson: democrats held contests in three states. senator bernie sanders won cautions in kansas and nebraska. former secretary of state hillary clinton won in louisiana. secretary clinton joins thus morning from detroit. secretary clinton, you know what it's like to be in a tough delegate battle the last time around. you stayed in it all the way to the end. do you think there's anything wrong with bernie sanders stays in this fight all the way to the end? >> well, you think that's up to him, john. i'm just is very pleased where my campaign is right now. i was really gratified by the results yesterday. we're feeling good about the upcoming contests. and i really put together a great broad coalition that i think is the key to winning in november against whoever the republican nominate. >> dickerson: the republicans seem to have all the enthusiasm,
their primary process, much more than democrats. won't that hurt in the battle in november? >> well, i don't know exactly what that means. i've gotten more votes than anybody running on either side. i've gotten more votes than donald trump, although i'm sure he doesn't want to hear that. and we've gotten it from a wide, broad base. in fact i've gotten in the democratic primary election, i've gotten more white voters except for the state of vermont, all told i've had nor support from white voters. i feel really good about where our campaign is and where it's going. >> dickerson: in places like ohio and massachusetts, there are reports of democrats switching over, changing their registration, becoming republicans to vote for donald trump aren't those voters you're going to want back and how do you get them back? >> well, i want to get every voter back. i'm going to keep working during
and to make it clear that i'm running and inclusive campaign, want to knock down barriers for all americans not just some of them. and i hope that as we move forward people will be giving second, third look to all the candidates and that includes me. it includes mr. trump. i'm going to keep reaching out and demonstrating unequivocally if people are frustrated, discouraged, upset by what's happening in the economy or the government or political system, that i've come ready prepared to do what's necessary to make progress. i think that's a very strong case. >> dickerson: let me ask you question about something that was in the news this week. brian pagliona was granted immunity from prosecution in the criminal investigation into your e-mail server. when this happened i talked to democrats they worry that somebody is going to get indicted. >> well, there is no basis for
delighted that he had agreed to cooperate as everyone else has. and i think that we'll be moving toward a resolution of this. >> dickerson: you see this as good news? >> yeah, i do. absolutely. i think we're getting closer and closer to wrapping this up. i also know that there were reports today about hundreds of officials and thousand e-mails that they were sending back and forth that have been looked at and classified retroactively. this really raises serious questions about this whole process i think. colin powell sums it up well when he was told that some of his e-mails from more than ten years ago were going to be retroactively classified. he called it an absurdity. i'm hoping we'll get through this then everybody can take hard look at the inner agency
i'm the one that asked that all my e-mails be made public. i've been more transparent than anybody i can think of in public life. but it's also true that when something is made public fresh across the government gets to weigh in that's what's happening here. we need to get it sorted out and then take action from there. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the two-part series this week in the "new york times" on libya. in it former secretary of defense robert gates said that president obama set that decision whether to take action in libya was 51-49 decision, secretary gates gave you credit for putting the president on 591% side of the line. in other words, taking action in libya. does that square with your view of the way things happened? >> well, it was the president's decision. and i think he listened to everybody just as he did when we were involved intense review of intelligence as to whether or not the president should order
these decisions are obviously ultimately the president's. i think we should remember where we were, the kinds of threats and actions that gadhafi was taking, i have to say that when i look at this, and absent of action by nato, by arab league members, we have probably turned libya into syria, which i think would have been even more dangerous situation. so, we all give our best judgment. i respect everybody who i worked with in the obama administration and then ultimately we make our recommendations to the president. >> dickerson: some people say it's not so much that syria may be -- but it isn't so good right now. >> well, no, it's not good. i'm not saying that it is. but it's sure better than syria, i think maybe 1500 people were killed last year compared to probably 150,000 in syria.
concerted effort led by the u.n., supported by united states, europe and others to try to create a unity government in libya. enabling the people of libya to get what they voted for, john, i keep reminding people of this. they have ha held two elections, they voted for moderates, they voted for democracy they voted for a path forward that has been disrupted because of the inner -- interference of outside sources as well as internal squabbles. this has only been a few years i think we've got to really work hard to help the libyans achieve the goals that they have set out for. of a ii all gadhafi hallowed out their country, they were left with basically nothing. not a functioning army, no the a functioning government, et cetera. we've got work to do. but i actually am slightly hopeful that they will all realize they're going to do better if they work together.
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>> dickerson: we're back with a quick look where the race for the republican nomination stand after yesterday's victories, ted cruz has narrowed donald trump's lead in the delegate count. we caught up with him friday at a gathering of republicans outside of washington. your political path, is it to win the nomination the delegates out right or just deny get to cleveland figure it out there. >> we're campaigning to win. i will say any time you hear people talking about a brokered convention, i think that is the fevered talk of the washington establishment. the washington establishment is in a panic, they're confused, they don't understand what's happening. and their favored candidates, are not getting the votes. but if a bunch of washington deal makers try to step in in a
the nomination we'll have a manifest uprising. if you want to beat donald trump, i don't think donald trump is the right nominee to go up against hillary clinton. if you want to beat him, you got to beat him at the ballot box our campaign is only campaign that demonstrated we can do so over and over. >> dickerson: do you think something illegitimate abut trying to have a brokered convention? >> i think if it's a bunch of washington deal makers and lobbyists who want to parachute in their preferred candidate because they don't like what the voters are doing, i think that is illegitimate i think it's wrong. reagan used convention to try to beat gerald ford. there wasn't anything -- >> but there's a difference there when that's come from the people when it's a battle of the people. a lot of people pushing brokered convention in washington don't want it to be based on the people they want to drop in their favorite candidate and try to stifle the will of the people. i think that would be enormous mistake. >> dickerson: let moo me ask you about what the contest coming
are you going to do well in those states when you had trouble in alabama, arkansas, georgia, tennessee. >> well, listen you say we have trouble we earned delegates in just about everyone of those states. we did very well. we were not expected to win based on the poll of where we are. donald trump is unique in one of a kind. a year ago, he changed the rules. we had 17 candidates a year ago. what we have seen in the field is field narrowed dramatically i think coming out of super tuesday, what super tuesday demonstrated is that if you don't think donald is the right candidate to go up against hillary clinton, there's one campaign that is has beat him not once, but five times. that is our campaign. we beat him overwhelmingly in iowa. beat him in oklahoma, in alaska, we beat him in minnesota and overwhelmingly in my home state of texas. had has anybody approached you about any kind of alliance to stop trump?
with all sorts of people, what we're seeing supporters from other candidates coming and joining us whether they were with jeb bush, whether they were with chris christie, whether they were with ben carson or been with marco rubio or rand paul. we're seeing people come together because they recognize that their candidates were not in position beat donald and if donald is the nominee, it is a catastrophe. hillary wins, we lose the supreme court for generation. we lose the bill of rights. we lose the senate. >> dickerson: any of these conversations in terms of jointly acting to deny him not coming together. >> my focus is very simple. it is winning 1237 delegates to be the republican nominee. we're on a path to do so. coming out of super tuesday fewer than a hundred delegates separate donald trump and me. as much as the media wants to just have coronation, and listen, frankly, one of the reasons media wants donald to be the nominee, is because media
general that hillary with wallop him. the person that hillary clinton can beat all of the attacks on donald as media not talking about now, you better believe come september, october, novemberf he were the nominee, every day on the nightly news would be taken donald apart. the stakes are too high for us to -- >> dickerson: the media thought he wasn't going to get this far that's hardly -- >> that's true at first. but let's be clear. the media has given donald trump hundreds of millions of dollars of free advertising, when you put -- whenever press conference carried live on every television station and you essentially have a massive in kind contribution from the media that helped create this phenomenon. then i think awful lot of reporters -- i can't tell you how many media outlets i hear, have this great expose on donald, on different aspects of his business dealings, his past, they say, you know what, we're going to hold it to june or july. not going to run it now -- >> dickerson: more the r reporters have told you that? >> i'm not going to out media
is so much there -- when was the last time people are bringing up his tax returns, for example. we had debate last night, didn't hear a word about tax returns. >> dickerson: you brought it up. >> i could have, i do often. but as mitt romney rightly observed fact that donald won't hand over suggest threats a bombshell in it. the fact that journalists are not raising the question ever what donald trump told the "new york times" editorial board, the reports are -- >> dickerson: the journalist brought it up which give you the platform to talk about it, sure low they are, plus he wrote about it. >> i promise you come the general election, that will be the singular focus of the media. i think republicans, we've been burned by that before, we're not interested in losing again, particularly when the stakes i think are catastrophic. >> dickerson: we'll have more of our in city view with ted cruz
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>> dickerson: michigan is the next pry march state their contest is tuesday. our cbs news battleground tracker poll has donald trump up by 15 points over ted cruz. marco rubio and john kasich are in close race for third in the republican race. among democrats hillary clinton is up 11 points over bernie sanders at 55%. while sanders is at 44. we'll be right back.
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>> dickerson: we continue our conversation with ted cruz. conservatives used to talk a lot about the cull the tougher, the job of conservative politics to stand up say, no more. has this campaign improved the culture or made it worse? >> well, listen, there's no doubt that there are aspects of this campaign that have gone into the gutter.
and marco rubio engaging in insults, engaging in off-color jocks, just getting nastier and master and throwing mud. my approach, john, i'm not going to ploy that game. not going to engage in the in subtle, i don't really have any views on the sizes of any parts of donald trump's anatomy i'm not interested in talking about that. but what i am interested in talking about is the issues facing the american people. millions of americans are facing stagnant wages, not having jobs. my top priority bringing back jobs and raising wages, we're going to do that by repealing obamacare, passing a flat tax. abolish can the ir, reigning in the federal regulators, stopping amnesty and securing the borders that's my priority. >> dickerson: you said also week that donald trump is entertaining. but then this other stuff slips in and that's the way in which people, conservatives i talked to more years said that's the way the culture slips. it's the job of a politics to stand up and say no, there are guard rails here.
have meant in history, think of lincoln gettysburg address, fdr think of jfk ask not what you can do for your country. i think people at home are asking themselves, how would we feel if our children came in repeating the words of the president of the united states, if that president was donald trump. if it would embarrass you to have your children repeat the words of the president, that's not a good thing. a president should unify us, should appeal to our better half, appeal to our shared values that make america who we are. that is how i'm trying to campaign. i think that's what the american people are looking for. >> dickerson: donald trump says there needs to be flexibility on immigration. you talk about the "new york times" and the conversation, why not -- he's light, of course, negotiation flex flexibility. >> he is mostly absolutely not right but stunning aspect of the debate that he said over and over again, flexibility. flexibility. actually that's one of the
yoga mats on our website, tedcruz.org, that if you find yourself boiling over with rage, spend some time doing yoga and breathing. conservatives are used to seeing republican candidates. run to the right in the primary then to the left in the general. part of the reason we're so frustrated, so angry. we're tired of politicians lying to us. what was amazing about this debate, john, donald is already running to the left he's not even out of the primary. in the debate this week, donald stood up there said, marco rubio, i agree with you, marco, i understand why you compromised were flexible negotiating with chuck schumer on the gang of eight. this is the donald trump who has made immigration the centerpiece of his campaign who said he agreed with marco rubio supporting the gang of eight amnesty bill. that was stunning. >> dickerson: last question something that puzzles me. you talk about, going to be a president you can't let your
marco rubio says he's a con man all of these terrible things then at the end you're asked if you'll support him and you do. doesn't that undermine all of these criticisms that going to be such danger to conservatives and republican values? >> listen, i think number one hillary clinton as president would be even more catastrophic. she would be a third term of barack obama you can no not support hillary clinton. but income do the at outside of this campaign, i promised i would support the republican nominee. and i am someone who keeps his word, you know this past week on super tuesday, in the state of texas, we won an overwhelming victory. won texas by 17 points that was particularly meaningful because the people of texas they know me. they know my heart. they are the people that i made promises when i ran for senate, you owe look me i'll lead the fight against obamacare and amnesty. i'll lead the fight against our debt and i'll lead the fight to protect religious liberty, second amendment and bill of rights. the reason we won overwhelming
texas said, ted, you kept your word. i tell you, john, as president i'll do very same thing. >> dickerson: we'll that have to leave it there. senator cruz. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we'll be right back with the chairman of the republican party. someone's hacked all our technology. technology... say, have you seen all the amazing technology in geico's mobile app? mobile app? look. electronic id cards, emergency roadside service,
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hopelessly fractured. what is your view on the health of the republican party? >> if you look across this country we're having record turn out. we have 70% more people coming out in this republican primary we're up 70%. democrats are down 30%. there's no question that enthusiasm gap we're crushing the democrats. we're beating them on money, beating them on mechanics and i like our chances. we're prepared to beat hillary clinton. >> dickerson: we got a situation the speaker house calling out the front runner on the questions of bigotry, the front runner is attacking the governor of south carolina who gave recommend play cannery sons that's tough stuff. >> it is tough stuff. i don't think there's anything wrong with drama and intrigue. we've got plenty of that. there's no question abut that. the key, though, is can you come -- get to a nominee, come together and then take it to the democrats. i think that we'll get there. i'm confident that we will. we've got more republicans
do need to learn how to win a big cultural vote in this country that's what i'm hopeful of. >> dickerson: that coming together that's the doctor traditional thing. in the last couple of weeks you have ben carson, no, he won't vote. let's start a third party. there's also talk of a kind of monkeying around to get contested convention. >> that means coalescing isn't going to happen. what it means is that we're in the beginning of march, got over 1600 delegates to go. it means that people are concerned at least in their own interests as far as who the nominee is going to be. they're making public statements likely to change the course of what they see as direction that they don't like. but ultimately, there's a long way to go. we are going to come together and we're going to beat hillary clinton who is now dodging immunity agreements with the doj. >> dickerson: what do you make of the talk about the convention. let's start with mitt romney,
should have a strategy with marco rubio wins in florida, kasich wins in ohio. denies him the number of delegates. what do you think of such a planned strategy? >> i don't really think anything of it. my role is ways i cannily -- basically be 100% behind whoever gets 1237 delegates i'm not going to do anything to help them get that. nor am i going to do anything to prevent someone from getting 1237 delegates. but keep in mind what is going on here. we have a political party, two political parties these folks are running to join our political party as our nominee. so, yes, they pledged to support the event nominee, they want to take part in the process. eventually we'll get to that point, they will join -- one person will join our party we'll be 100% behind that person. >> dickerson: republicans out there who are watching, when they march about contested convention, there are rules, in other words, it's not a dirty
>> no. dickerson: there's a process for which contested convention could be possible that's okay. >> i still think it's unlikely. but not impossible. i was general counsel, john, for two years before being chairman for six. i know the rules inside and out. i'll be prepared for anything. but i still think it's very early to have this conversation. i think that in the month that we're sitting in situation where candidates are tied, then i think in a month you start looking at those possibilities. but right now we've got a long way to go. >> dickerson: do you think donald trump's success because he's donald trump or republican? >> i would think probably a little bit of both. but again, i still think it's early. i don't know who is going to be successful and who is not going to be successful. what i do know is that we have a great opportunity here to win in november. an opportunity to save our country running against a person who is dodging the i.r.s. and has to answer for a lot of things that people find to be pretty troubling. >> dickerson: you have worked
republican party in different communities where republicans have had trouble. hispanic community, african american community. how has donald trump and way this campaign mid out so far helped or hurt those efforts? >> obviously the proof is going to be in the pudding. there's a long way to go. we have at the national party put more people on the ground in different communities than ever before in the history of our party. we've committed millions of dollars, invested hundreds ever millions dollars in our infrastructure and mechanics, far better than we much in 2012. i do think that tone and rhetoric has to improve. i do think that we have to keep a pg rating during debates. i think that the next debate needs to be improved in that regard. i'm hopeful that our candidates will heed that suggestion. >> dickerson: if the process goes forward, do you expect the republican party to keep gaining more people as it goes forward? >> i think we are.
we're putting up all of these states it's astronomical f. i was democrat i'd be very concerned over lack of enthusiasm over a sluggish process that isn't going to end any time soon. even though hillary clinton is now seemingly winning these contests, she obviously didn't have good night last night. it doesn't seem to be ending for her. i think bernie sanders is going to do well on the west coast. those contests aren't coming for awhile, they're in for a long process whether they like it or not. >> dickerson: we'll be back in a
analysis. >> dickerson: we're back with our time but check in with cbs election director who is in new york this morning. anthony this effort by the establishment to come up with another nominee other than donald trump how is that going so far? >> not well. in michigan, you still see donald trump in the lead but very specifically looks like the party is just not in line with its voters on this. whether or not they are for donald trump, we asked voters who were not supporting trump right now, what should the republican party be doing at this point.
big number but you didn't. actually saw split decision. 47% who said that the party should indeed be doing everything they can to stop trump from getting the nomination. similar number of 37% said that party should rally behind donald trump and get behind him on the way to november if trump keeps winning primaries. another fifth who said going to take this as wait and see. i think this dovetails with what we see a as larger theme of this campaign that voters, no matter who they're for just not in the mood to be told what to do by anybody that they see as related to the party establishment. >> dickerson: even though they don't like donald trump they're not in a break glass and it's emergency state of mind. why can't the establishment move more people? >> for one thing voters tell us within they hear someone is connected to the establishment makes them less likely to vote for that person. that's why four to one margin i think what you're seeing here
we've seen throughout the campaign. i think that certainly playing out in michigan. i think also speaks to the larger balancing act that the party has right now. see donald trump get over three million votes. he's one conservatives. voters do not appear to be in any mood to be told what to do by the party establishment. what do you do with those folks because you will need them come november in these battleground states. >> dickerson: anthony salvanto, thanks. here in washington we're here with molly bull who covers politics for the atlantic. michael gerson scholium must for the "washington post," ed o'keefe and ezra klein editor of vox.com. there was flash mob of establishment people, all going to stop donald trump how is that going for them? >> i think they would say still in progress. yank you can say something failed when it's only been underway for a week or two.
long to get going but really the denial didn't end until well after voting had started and trump had built up quite a bit of momentum. there are lot of people who fear that it is too late but you have couple of political action committees that have started, seeking funding, air can ads in florida. that is the main focus of lot of these efforts right now. as was said not majority view in the republican party that trump must be stopped. but very remarkable at this juncture to have a 4% plurality of political party they are hell bent on stopping the front runner. >> dickerson: you wrote about alternatives what is the most plausible one for stopping trouble? >> a lot of people will argue, cruz, in second place now. presumptive challenger to this. ted cruz to the right of donald trump on some issues like immigration which does not solve that problem.
conservative critique of trump is giving a little traction. but the establishment for rubio has not gotten traction. cruz has benefited here, the question is can he win in states that have are not closed primaries and caucuses. he hasn't noon adequately. the 15th will determine this. florida will have lot to do with it. >> dickerson: who do you think about that idea that cruz is now the alternative and that's the way it should go for those who want to stop trump? >> some degree that's been true for a long time. part of the failure of the party to stop donald trump has been complete unwillingness to unite behind ted cruz. couple of months ago, maybe not couple, not long ago when cruz beat trump in iowa there was an obvious reason at that moment for the republican party. unlike donald trump, ted cruz is a conservative.
goes much further, he is fairly orthodox, very much connected to the core institution of the republican party. the core thinkers. and i and many other folks expected some uniting behind ted cruz it didn't happen because, lindsey graham came out if you kill ted cruz on the senate there are the senate would invoke to convict. that's been a problem. >> dickerson: a sign of warming, lindsey graham would support they even talked on the phone. may be picnicking soon. ed, let me ask you about marco rubio he got 1% in kansas despite endorsement from the governor. 16% in kentucky. what is happening? >> falling apart. it's evident now that that's happening i was striking and hear any -- look what happened to rubio.
last minute endorsements from senator lamar, goes to kansas, books three events in the state after cancelling appearances. does miserably there as well after getting endorsements. he goes into florida now, convinced they can still win there are conservatives show that the race tightened probably helped by millions of dollars in attack ads that are now airing against trump f. he can't get florida, might as well go home. individual. >> dickerson: if you get endorsement from governor in the state the kit of death you go an lose. michael gerson, what is the health of the republican party at this moment? we hear lot of dire -- talked about with it with the chairman, where do you see things? >> if you look at this from 30,feet republicans have two of the least popular politicians in american at one and two in their party. deeply divided party. instead of doing outreach to groups that they needed to after last election, they have been
have authoritarian as their nominee, someone not small d democrat. and i think it's disastrous for the republican party. it's either hurt it badly with cruz as the nominee. or potentially split it with trump as the nominee. this is very good outcome for hillary clinton. >> dickerson: molly, the establishment push against donald trump, isn't that exacerbating the very thing that caused trim top rise in the first place which is the sense that the establishment was out of touch with people in the party and the conservative movement? >> that's why. as mike said, this party is falling apart. because you did have an establishment that was so profoundly out of touch with a lot of the voters and base of the party that they completely failed to take seriously the candidacy of trump and the anger that he was tapping. there was feeling that this was a joke, there was so much denial that this was a real thing. you now have a front runner who won majority of states, the
far down the calendar and normally that would be to a sort of bandwagon affect, everybody would be getting on board. other than chris christie, most of the sort of republican officer holders are running screaming in the other direction talking about contested convention. as mike said there's no visible outcome that doesn't entail sort of falling apart of the party. >> people have to appreciate what happened this week that you had th the 2012 and 2008 republican nominees come out say we need to stop the guy who is on verge of becoming 2016 nominee. mitt romney and john mccain both. he's bad for the party, bad for the country, somebody else needs to step up. problem is, you ask romney, would you be willing to put in your name l? no, i just want to say these things look my grandchildren in the eye. great that he spoke out, unclear it's going to help things at this point but still, it shows
are someone worried about trump winning. >> that's why the poll we mentioned is so important the four to one republican voters do not want candidate who touched by establishment. at a very core level republican party is failing in boast mase i can function of the political party. what a political party does is very complex world like we have. if you got into point where political party says, trust this guy. voters say, that's actually disendorsement, right? then you got into very profound place of dysfunction because you've lost that function of organizing information for voters. now they don't have very good ways to figure out who to trust. that is going to be really hard place to organize if the fact the establishment is becoming boon for donald trump because it shows that he is standing up to republican party. the. >> dickerson: quickly before we switch. >> i wouldn't underestimate that republicans found effective attacks against trump in the debate, financial fraud and acid
i think that is real momentum this week those types of attacks. going forward that may be an important achievement. >> dickerson: the democratic race, bernie sanders, is it basically over for him, is hillary clinton on her way to the nomination? >> i think she is. it is not over. but it is mostly over. and it is over because of the demographic alignment behind hillary clinton as she told you earlier, she has obviously gotten the vast majority of minority voters and i think in a democratic party that is increasingly fueled by a minority-based national coalition you can't be a credible nominee of this party if african american voters don't support you. but it is also true that she is winning white voters, winning latino voters she's got very diverse coalition behind her. bernie did win two of three states last night. he does clearly still have lot of support. i think the party still has to grapple with what he represents. even if he falls short there has
the establishment and democratic party as well by folk vocal seg machine that wants to see a more radical position. >> dickerson: how does fix the enthusiasm problem? >> i think one of the ways, he continues to raise so much money despite the fact he's losing. find way to turn grass roots support not only in to votes but into cash. something to be learned from what sanders is doing. i think it's also a lesson to everyone that you think super pac have outside influence. lot of these guys have run out of money donated to their campaign, the reason sanders is able, he's got all these people donating $20-30 that is what is keeping him in the race. if he can find way to convince those people eventually she'll be fine. but certainly he still enjoys that. >> dickerson: what do you make of the stories in massachusetts and ohio, democrats crossing over and registering. are these people who are effective republicans it's not a big -- >> i think every cycle we hear
to be very large affect on the open race. will tell you what presidential campaigns do they're long process and reminded of who they like and who they hate. that speaks 20 your question about the enthusiasm gap, too, the way hillary clinton will solve that is she'll be running against a republican candidate, very possibly republican candidate who is scarier to democrats than any republican who has been nominated in generations. so, that is going to i think reshape who democrats -- whether democrats turn out. >> dickerson: have to stop you there. thanks to all of you. we'll be back in a moment. expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in
access.wgbh.org's julianna goldman. marco rubio called nancy reagan a true example of integrity and grace. in another tweet, ted cruz said she will be remembered for her deep passion for this nation and love for her husband. an amazing woman wrote donald trump. news of nancy reagan's death came on a day when most candidates vying to inherit ronald reagan's conservative legacy were taking a break before the next round of critical contests. >> she is now, as she used to say, "with her ronnie." >> john kasich was the exception. campaigning in his home state of ohio, alongside arnold schwarzenegger. looking beyond the four states he lost yesterday.