Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace FOX December 11, 2016 9:15am-9:35am EST
and we're back now with our exclusive interview with donald trump. the campaign is over, but the president-elect continues to break the rules when it comes to building his administration and setting his agenda. and that's where we began this part of the conversation. >> we're calling this program "the trump way" because i got to tell you, in almost 40 years of covering presidential transitions, i've never seen anything like this. you're setting markers for foreign countries. you're telling corporations and unions what to do. and you're in the even in office yet. what can we expect when you're the president? >> i want to make good deals for this country. i don't need a $4.2 billion airplane to fly around in, okay. i don't need that. especially when it's totally out of control. you know, they've lost control of it. i let them know that i don't
want this. i just see things -- if you look at the f-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars, and it's out of control. and the people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies. they make a deal like that and two or three years later you see them working for these companies that made the deal. i'm going to -- you know, lobbyists i'm doing. this is bigger than the lobbyists. when people order from these massive companies, these massive deals, i don't want the people making these horrible -- and they're horrible deals -- i don't want them going to work for the companies after the deals are made. they should have a lifetime restriction. >> in the last few days, you have named cabinet heads, department agency people at epa, at labor, at health and human services, education, who are
diametrically opposed to what those agencies have been doing for the last eight years. fair to say you're going to take a wrecking ball to the obama legacy? >> no, no. no, i don't want to do that at all. i just want what's right. epa, you can't get things approved. people are waiting in line for 15 years before they get rejected, okay. that's why people don't want to invest in this country. you look at what's going on -- and you can look at a jobs report, but take a look at the real jobs report, which are the millions of people that gave up looking for work, and they're not considered in that number that's less than 5%. we have jobs that are in the pipeline, and i deal with all the executives, the big ones and small ones. i have really gotten to know this country. when you have to wait 10 and 15 years for an approval and then you don't even get the approval, it's no good. so we're going to clean it up. we're going to speed it up. by the way, if somebody is not
doing the right thing, we're not going to approve. >> let's talk about the environment because in the last week, you met with al gore and you met with leo dicaprio, famous environmentalist. >> and they were good meetings. >> on the other hand, you appointed oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt to be head of the epa. he's been suing epa. at one point in the campaign, you said it's a hoax. >> i think it's a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. in the meantime, china is eating our lunch because they don't partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do. >> on the other hand, you told "the new york times" you're open minded. >> i am open minded. >> so where are you on the environment? >> i'm still open minded. nobody really knows. look, i'm somebody that gets it. and nobody really knows. it's not something that's so hard and fast. i do know this. other countries are eating our lunch. if you look at what china is doing, if you look at what -- i could name country after
country. you look at what's happening in mexico where our plants are being built. they don't wait ten years to get an approval to build a plant. they build it like the following day or the following week. we can't let all of these permits that take forever to get stop our jobs. i won because of the fact that people that are great, great american people have been forgotten. i call them the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. they've been forgotten. and you, in all fairness, and all of the folks in your world, you forgot about these people. they're not going to forget about them in four years. they're already trying to figure out what happened. but i understood it because i understand our country. >> let me ask you a couple specific questions. will you still pull out of the paris climate agreement, which has been signed by more than 100 countries to reduce carbon emissions? will you restart the dakota
access pipeline, which the army just stopped? >> okay. let me not answer the dakota because perhaps that'll be solved by the time i get there so i don't have to create enemies on one side or the other. i will tell you when i get to office, if it's not solved, i'll have it solved very quickly. >> meaning you're going to start it? >> i'm not saying anything. i just say something will happen, and it'll be quick. i think it's very unfair. so it'll start one way or the other. >> and paris? >> a decision pretty quickly. also, the keystone pipeline. you're going to have a decision fairly quickly. and you'll see that. paris i'm studying. i do say this, i don't want that agreement to put us at a competitive disadvantage with other countries. as you know, there are different times and different time limits on that agreement. i don't want that to give china or other countries signing agreements an advantage over us. >> you have already named three retired generals for top positions. any concern about having too
many military men at the top of your administration? >> well, president obama named three generals also. you know, these are tremendous people. in certain cases, they transitioned into civilian life. but i like generals. i think generals are terrific. you know, they go through schools and sort of end up at the top of the pyramid. it's like a test. they passed the test of life. that's how they got to be a general and other people didn't. so i sort of like generals. i like the three that i have very, very much. >> have you seth ld on a secretary of state? >> i'm getting very close. getting very, very close. >> do you know who it's going to be? >> i have someone in mind that i think will be really fabulous. i think we're going to have one of the great cabinets ever put together. we're getting that kind of review. >> let me ask you about rex tillerson, head of exxonmobil. why does a business executive make sense as the chief diplomat? >> in his case, he's much more
than a business executive. he's a world class player. he's in charge of, i guess, the largest company in the world. he's in charge of an oil company that's pretty much double the size of his next nearest competitor. it's been a company that's been unbelievably managed. and to me, a great advantage is he knows many of the players. and he knows them well. he does massive deals in russia. he does massive deals for the company, not for himself. >> he's the secretary of state -- >> no, no, but i have tremendous respect for him. he's a world class player. >> i'm trying to get you to say -- >> i know you are. you're doing very well. but i have others also that i think -- i mean, bob corker is a fantastic guy. mitt romney i've really gotten to know him, and i get along with him really well. but these are -- you know, these are all very different types of people. but when you ask me about rex, he's a world-class player. there's no question about it. >> just after our interview, there were media reports that
mr. trump has decided to name tillerson to be secretary of state. he denied he's made a final decision. and during our ride on trump force one, he was still asking his advisers who they think he should nominate, but don't bet against rex tillerson. coming up, we ask mr. trump about his controversial call with the president of taiwan. was he sending china a message? and what will become of his business once he's sworn in? as "fox news sunday"'s "the trump way" continues.
and we're back now with this special edition of "fox news sunday," the trump way. donald trump rattled the relationship between china and the u.s. when he spoke with the leader of taiwan, breaking with decades of u.s. diplomacy. now he's doubling down on that decision. back to our exclusive interview with the president-elect. you recently took a call from the president of taiwan, and on the sunday shows, including ours, some of your top aides said, oh, it was just a congratulatory call. the next day, some of your top aides said, no, in fact, you had been thinking about this for weeks in advance to send a message. so which is it? >> it's all wrong. not weeks. i took a call. i heard the call was
coming probably an hour or two before. i fully understand the one-china policy. i don't know why we have to be bound by a one-china policy unless we make a deal with china
having to do with other things, including trade. i mean,
look, we're being hurt very bad ly by china with devaluation, with taxing us at the borders when we don't tax them, with building a massive fortress in the middle of the south china sea, which they shouldn't be doing. frankly, they're not helping us at all with north korea. you have north korea, nuclear weapons, and china could solve that problem. they're not helping us at all. i don't want china dictating to me. this was a call put into me. i didn't make the call. it was a call, very short call, saying congratulations, sir, on the victory. it was a very nice call. short. and why should some other nation be able to say, i can't take a call? i think it would have been very disrespectful, to be honest with you, not taking it. >> you recently intervened with carrier to save about a thousand jobs from moving to mexico. you've said at one of your rallies you're asking for a list
of ten companies that are thinking about calling them as well. should the president of the united states be calling companies? i mean, how would you have felt if barack obama gets on the phone and says, hey, donald, here's how i want you to do business. >> i would have been honored. >> honored? >> i don't have to do it myself. i have great people. we have top, top smart people. it's so easy to do. and we're going to have to impose a major tax on companies that leave, bill their product, and think they're going to sell it right to our border. >> what about the free market, sir? >> that's not free market when they go out and move and sell back into our country. >> but that's the free market. they've made a decision -- >> no, that's the dumb market, okay. that's the dumb market. i'm a big free trader. but it has to be fair. so what's happened is we have lost, over a period of years, short years, 70,000 factories in
this country. chris, 70,000. i always say to people, i think it's a typo. how could it be so many? 70,000 factories. we're being stripped of our workers. we're being -- i mean, we're being stripped of our jobs, our good jobs are really good down, and we've got to stop it. the only way you're going to stop it, the nice way is we're reducing taxes substantially for companies. so they're not going to have to leave bauecause of taxes. we're reducing regulations. everyone loves it. when a company wants to move to mexico or another country and they want to build a nice, beautiful factory and they want to sell their product through our border, no tax, and the people that all got fired, so we end up with unemployment and debt, and they end up with jobs and factories and all of the other things, not going to
happen that way. the way you stop it is by imposing a tax. i've come up with a number of 35%. there is no tax if you don't leave. there is no tax at all. people are saying they don't understand, really, what i'm doing. i read "the wall street journal" the other day. honestly, their editorial board doesn't get it. i don't think they understand business. i don't think "the wall street journal" editorial board -- and i know some of them. they're really nice. i don't think they understand business. they don't understand what i'm saying. there's a 35% tax, but there is no tax if you don't move. but if you move your plant or factory and you want to sell back into our country, you fire all your people, there are going to be consequences for that. there are going to be consequences. they're not going to move. they're not going to leave. they're going to stay here. >> you're keeping your stake in celebrity apprentice, according to "the new york times." you're going to shift
operations, but you're going to keep your stake in your real estate business. >> i'm not going to have anything to do with the management. >> isn't that a huge conflict of interest, sir? >> when i ran, everybody knew that i was a very big owner of real estate, all over the world. i'm not going to have anything to do with the management of the company. that's not like going out and selling a stock. that takes a long time. it takes -- i'm going to have nothing to do with it. i'll be honest with you, i don't care about it anymore. i'm so focused on doing a great job as president. i don't care if it goes up or down a little bit. my executives will run it with my children. it's a big company. it's a great company. but i'm going to have nothing to do with management. >> but you hammered hillary clinton over the clinton foundation and pay -- >> well, that's different because she's taking in massive amounts of money from foreign countries and other things. >> and pay to play. >> it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation
ends and the state department begins. it is now abundantly clear that's the clintons set up a business to profit from public office. >> this is different. >> wait a minute. you're going to be making a massive amount of money. foreign countries are already booking events at the trump hotel in d.c. you've got business operations, deals with foreign countries. >> chris, this is all -- >> foreign interests trying to curry favor with the president of the united states. >> if i were going to do new deals right now, i am turning down billions of dollars of deals. i will tell you, running for president, the money i spent is peanuts compared to the money i won't make. and that's okay. because this is so important. what i'm doing is so important. this is a calling. this is a movement. not just me. it's millions and millions of people.
you got to see it firsthand. i'm not going to be doing deals at all. that would be -- i don't even know if that's a conflict. i have the right to do -- you know under the law i have the right to do it. i just don't want to do it. i don't want to do deals. because i want to focus on this. but by my not doing this -- i turned down seven deals with one big player, great player, last week because i thought it could be perceived as a conflict of interest. it was probably a billion dollars of deals that i turned down. >> but if your kids do it, isn't it going to be the same thing? >> it's totally different. they're not president. but they're not going to do it either. oh, i see what you're getting at. they're not making deals either for my company. they're not making deals. they're going to run my company. i have a lot of property and great stuff. they're going to run it. hopefully they're going to run it properly. i'm sure they're going to run it properly.
but i'm not going to do deals. i think, you know, i think that's going to be good. >> how many times have you spoken to barack obama since you were in the oval office with him? what do you guys talk about? and has he persuaded you on any of his policies? >> so we disagree on things, but we haven't really discussed things we disagree on. i've spoken to him another time. i'm going to be speaking to him today actually. he has treated me really well. he's made us feel very welcome. >> but on the iran nuclear deal, relations with cuba? >> i don't want to tell you what we discuss, but -- and some of it i've agreed with him. people don't read about the stuff you agree on. but there are things that we disagree on. probably never going to be able to change that. but we do get along well. i'm surprised at how well we get along. i think he might say the same thing. i think you're seeing that from