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captioning sponsored by cbs the disaster in puerto ricoe the falls short. top cabinet secretary resigns over using taxpayer funded aircraft. republicans give up on health care and turn to tax reform. health and human service secretary tom price handed in his resignation after the president fumed over price's misuse of taxpayer funded planes.
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as far as puerto rico that's been going really well. >> not so says the mayor of san juan. >> put lives in danger, there's a disconnect between. >> dickerson: we'll get the real story from puerto rico and hear from florida marco rubio. then it's on to tax reform. as house speaker paul ryan tells us what we can expect from the republican tax plan. >> guarantee that every middle class person will get a tax cut once it becomes a bill. >> the purpose of doing it, is to get middle class -- >> dickerson: is that a guarantee? what will the plan do for you and what do democrats want. chuck schumer will be here, plus cbs newsman bob schieffer will join us, his new book "over load" takes a look at the news deluge in the trump era. plus we'll have plenty of political analysis it's all coming up on "face the nation."
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good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we've got a lot of news to get to today but we want to begin with the ongoing humanitarian cries in puerto rico following hurricane maria. cbs news correspondent is in san juan. david, right now what is the most urgent need? >> john, physically getting food and water to the people who so desperately are still begging for it. yet people are still desperately finding clean watt are. fema is there, bee saw the good work that they are doing but we also talked to the mayor who said it's not enough. i've got 60,000 people in town but only got 2,000 meals that i can hand out. john, there were people who got in line to get food and were given four bottles of water and four snacks, adults and kids. when some people came back for second they were turned away because the sheriff said, there's not enough to give
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>> dickerson: david, where is the bottled water, built no truck turnovers get them to the people is that where the problem is? >> john, the problem appears to be actually doing it. there's a lot of talking, there's a lot of meetings but the actual doing is what seems to be lacking in many areas. when we went to the port earlier there were 30,000 shipping containers that we were told just sitting there waiting on truckers. the governor said i need truckers, i think governor -- because we can't get in touch with some of these people, there's no communication, their homes may have been destroyed. good news, yesterday, we saw truckers leaving the port. but of those 3,000 shipping containers only three or four hundred had been prosed. they're going in, buying some of the supplies in those containers and sending them out themselves. john there is a larger military presence here today than there was a week ago but even a general on the ground has said, we don't have enou
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>> dickerson: david begnaud for us, thanks so much. cbs news chief medical correspondent john la pat caught up with the mayor. and asked her what she would say to president trump if she had the opportunity to do so? >> he is a businessman, i use business terms, right now we're in the business of saving lives. and the supply chain of eight is not constant, is not properly administered, is not properly replenished then the business of saving lives will go bankrupt. >> bottom line, right now, do you think you're headed in the right direction? do you think everything is being done now that could be done? >> no. dickerson: we turn now to republican senator marco rubio, he joins us from miami. senator, you wrote a letter about the situation in puerto rico you said
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commanding control has that been worked out is enough being done at the federal level? >> well, i think hope. ly began to turn the corner on thursday evening when general buchanan arrived sort of command began to take over of the daily tactical and logistical operation on the ground. my concern was not that fema wasn't responding, there's a tremendous amount of aid that's gone into puerto rico. the problem is as i said to someone yesterday, there is aid getting to puerto rico but wasn't getting to puerto ricans because it had to be distributed from san juan to the different municipalities. then distributed to people. they had established this sort of hub and spoke system where all the aid came in then had to be distributed out. those distribution systems were victims of the storm themselves. they were broken. and so i felt and continue to feel that the department of defense are only people could have gone out reestablished that i hope that's what's begun to happen. there are some small inkling
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regard, obviously from the time they make a move to the time you start to see its affects will take number of days. there are some other issues now emerging that i think are problematic, i'm very concerned about the situation with the hospitals in puerto rico. i've had some -- i've heard some concerning things about that and hopefully we'll keep an eye on that. >> dickerson: what concerns you the most about the hospitals? >> the capacity of these hospitals. i'm concern you how many medical personnel might be around do they have sufficient quantities of that. obviously the system require the operation of generators and do they get enough of the fuel to those hospitals in time to continue to operate. we've had reports of hospitals calling in the middle of the night to say we're down to two hours of operating fuel. i know that fema, i know that emergency responders are aware of this they're trying to address it. but that's something to keep an eye on. >> dickerson: you mentioned that general buchanan got there on thursday. that is almost a w
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started. was there just not fast enough recognition from the administration or from the department of defense to get in there? >> you know, i think -- they responded to the storm the way we respond to storms, this responded to it in way no different than texas or florida in terms of the assets, what that is, federal government says we are here to the local government or to the state government. in the case of puerto rico the territorial government we're here to help, tell us what you need. that model generally works, it's worked in florida a couple of weeks ago, helped in texas. it didn't work in puerto rico, the reason why it didn't work because government of puerto rico itself is a victim of the storm. there is 78 municipalities, some of those mayors themselves couldn't communicate with san juan and even if they could even if you could get to them deliver aid they didn't have enough municipal employees to be able to deliver the aid or didn't have resource like fuel or vehicles or even drivers in many cases. they recognized that a few days
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change to the time you start to see its impact takes a number of days. hoefully we are now at that point where we're going to begin to see measurable progress. >> dickerson: speaking of the government, president has been critical of the mayor of san juan, what do you make of that. >> i don't spend a lot of time thinking about it to be honest, having now, having lived through four hurricanes, our desire to be a voice and a force for positive results, helping people. i truly believe that if we don't get ahead of the curve bad things are going to happen. some have already happened unfortunately because storms are terrible things especially in an area like puerto rico where people have been without electricity much a week, but i do think every minute we spend in the political realm bickering with one another over who is right or wrong or didn't do right is a minute of energy and time we're not spending trying to get the response r
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and done we'll have time to stop and look back and things have done differently, everyone involved in the response has things they could have done better but right now i hope we'll stay 100% focused on what needs to be done to get the people of puerto rico help and then we'll have plenty of time in the future to have these debates about who didn't do the right thing or what could have been done better. >> dickerson: a question about cuba, an issue you spent a lot of time working on. i've been critical of the state department's, it's weak, unacceptable and outrageous, is there any evidence that the cuban government has been bind these attacks? >> well, obviously i'm limited in what i can discuss in media program like this. let me just say this. could you been is one of the most tightly controlled and monitored society in the world. anyone who is interacted with cuba, been to cuba anything to do with cuba understands that very little happens in havana that the cuban government doesn't know about especially americans working for the state department. so, the idea that over 20 deericans working for the state
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injured in cuba and the cuban government not know anything about it is ridiculous. >> dickerson: what should be done now? >> well, i think they have done half of it which is drawing down our embassy presence, again, for purposes of protecting our personnel. everybody knows how i feel about cuba policy but set that aside for a moment, if something like this happened anywhere in the world with a government that tries to argue that they know nothing about it, this is the same response we'd advocate. i agree with the drawing down of our personnel, i think it is fair in reciprocal for us to require a proportional draw down of the cuban embassy and the cuban diplomatic presence in the united states. that's what i expect they will do. >> dickerson: let me ask you another question, your secretary price had to resign because of the private plane travel. white house has new procedures here, is that it? is this executive branch thing or does congress need to look into this and oversee this since congress controls th
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>> well, obviously congress controls the purse string you can always look in the internal budget of agency and put prohibitions in place. but first i think it's an executive office management issue, if they can get ahead of it manage it appropriately, prevent that from happening in the future, that's what we would expect them do do, may not be a problem, congress should be focused on tax reform. congress should have its handful trying to get tax reform done, hopefully before thanksgiving, that won't be easy. you'll have some guest on later today that will describe the alt to get there and how difficult that could be. but again this is an issue that unfortunately kind of got in the way of secretary price being able to continue to do his job. i think he's a good person. obviously this didn't work out in the positive way and he had to step aside. but the important work has to continue. >> dickerson: all right, secretary -- excuse me, senator rubio, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. dickerson: president trump traveled to indiana this week to unvail n
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plan. but at this point the plan is only a framework. we traveled to aspen, pennsylvania, with speaker paul ryan to, tour manufacturing plants and get more details. mr. speaker we are at pennsylvania machine works i'm go to ask you a question, how are these tax cuts going to help the blue collar worker? what are they going to take home in their pocket? >> first of all the whole purpose to get middle class tax cut, to pep the people working paycheck to paycheck keep more of their hard earned dollars. our economy has been growing between one and two percent. we haven't had 3% growth in a decade. that means workers are struggling, number one, a middle class tax cut to help those families keep more what they earn. number two, this business is a perfect example of how we need to help get tax reform to get tax rates done so they can stay competitive and keep hiring people. >> dickerson: what am i taking home? promise knowledge anything? can i --
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to you, we'll did make it to fill out taxes in a postcard. lower his taxes, that's really important. more take home pay. but another component to this, look at this machine shop. this business pays a 40% tax rate but it competes with companies all around the world who pay average 22.5% on their taxes. we'll lower the taxes on this business so globally competitive can compete with the foreign competition then give this business an ability to write off the investments to buy more machines to hire more workers to raise wages, that to us to really important. i want to get back to the business in a second there's some debate about effective rate they pay. stick to the worker for a minute. can you gharib tee that every middle class person will get a tax cut once this becomes a bill then that pass? >> that's the purpose of doing this. to purpose to get middle class tax. i don't know every single person's small problem or issue. >> dickerson: but minimal -- if it's on
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to lower middle class taxes, yes, people will get tax cuts. how big, that depends on the individual. do you have kid, going to be a bigger child, are you married? have zero marriage -- >> dickerson: that's the worry -- >> those are the kind of things that will determine based on how low people's taxes go we want pro family tax cut to make it easier, to get married, raise kids. >> dickerson: you mentioning doubling standard deduction, getting rid of exemptions and child tax credit is up in the air those numbers haven't been figured out yet. >> that's right. don't know how much it's willing going to up. >> dickerson: there may be some families who do see their taxes increase i'm saying objective for the bill as it goes through the process will you work to squeeze that number? >> that's exactly right. objective is to lower taxes for middle class taxpayers. >> dickerson: something you wanted to do in the past you're in the doing here which is expanding the earned income tax credit for childless filers, way to help people who are at the bottom end, people who have seen this inequality, why is
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>> we're still working -- we're keeping it because it's effective that's one of the things the committee still looking at. within the framework of this bill are many of the decision that have to be made. because the framework of this, the reason we did it this way, is unlike health care, we wanted to make sure that everyone was on the same page with respect to the house and the senate and the white house. now working within that framework we're going to be targeting these things so that we can make sure that middle class taxpayers get a break and one of the things that we think helps move people into work is eitc. we want more work incentives -- >> dickerson: you could expand it. >> let me ask you this then. coming in the process, the president wanted to get rid of carried interest loophole that's something that committee will make a decision on. >> dickerson: shouldn't it be a -- >> no, it should be something that the tax writing committees who are in charge will be deciding and working on. this this is one of the issues. point i'm trying to m
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i like going through what we call the regular order pros. >> dickerson: you're pitching middle class tax cut you say every child in america should have an opportunity in this country that's part of the american dream. but there are specifics in it. getting rid of the estate tax. wered income tax credit not being expanded might be in the future. the carried interest loophole. if i'm middle class person, estate tax people are taken care of, alternative minimum tax that will help the wealthy but things that will help me -- >> we're going to double your standard deductions so you can file taxes on postcard. take people who are in 10% bracket put a lot of that money in zero percent tax. taking 15 down to 12. increase child tax credits. going to maintain critical things like incentives for home buying, charitable giving. education, retirement savings. those are calling middle class tax things. the purpose of this i
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people living by paycheck, keep more of their money but also get more jobs, faster growing economy. >> dickerson: the theory behind lowering of corporate tax rate. corporate tax rate goes down how do you know companies will put it back into wages. going to shareholders. >> when you lower -- that the tax on businesses is taken out of wages. the point is -- >> dickerson: isn't there quite a lot of debate about that? >> legal me say it this way. should we be taxing american businesses at much higher tax rates. this business is high as 40-plus percent, competitors are taxed 22.5%. now does that help this business in global competition? effectively the rate is quite lower than 40 also i guess the question is -- >> that's not always the case. the point is, we know we're taxing our businesses at much higher tax rates than the foreign competitors. here is the point, john, businesses are leaving america.
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making thing in america, the current tax code says if you are good enough to be big enough to make money overseas you can't even bring it back because of our tax laws. >> dickerson: you have spent your life thinking about tax reform, the other thing, fiscal issues. will this increase the debt? >> going to be deficit neutral. the bird rule. that will have to be deficit neutral. we do believe that this tax code and this tax reform will give us faster economic growth. faster economic growth helps raise the economy which raises revenues and that helps us tackle the deficit. two things we got to do to get rid of this debt. deal with entitlements, that's why we're frustrated health care reform. deal with run away spending also grow the economy. this helps grow the economy. so if you are asking me whether it's deficit neutral tax reform that's what it has to be. >> dickerson: after ten years? what about the debt in terms of
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>> this results in giving us a faster economic growth. that will help us reduce our debt. >> dickerson: what a lot of people who have known you for a long time, when they hear you say if this gives us growth they say he's gone to the dark side. >> i think it's the bright side of economic growth. >> dickerson: but they say the growth is something that you'll need to fund this just beyond -- >> two things. you've got to have tax reform to get faster economic growth. it's necessary for us to get our debt under control. but you also have to reform entitlement programs. >> dickerson: could you tie entitlement reform to this? >> you could, but i think we'd kill tax reform if we did. let me show you one piece of evidence, the senate can't get health care out of the senate. something that is proven to fail is tax reform, why would you do that? >> dickerson: that lead us to politics. affordable care act didn't make it through in the senate why is it going to make it through? >> tax reform? i think it will make it through for a few reasons. number one, we did
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front end we negotiated a framework so that we all agree what thisth needs to look like. in health care what we did we passed the bill in the house, then senate looked at our bill decided to go a different direction. here we are. we have more consense on tax reform and less consensus on health care reform. >> dickerson: i don't hear you talking about working with democrats. but do you work with them on this? >> we're not going to give chuck schumer the ability to filibuster. do we want democratic involvement, absolutely. did the president have democrats in the ways and means two days ago. >> dickerson: you are worried they will work with the democrats? >> any he should work with democrats. >> dickerson: on tax reform? >> i don't think -- not on filibuster a big mistake. because we're basically dooming tax reform. but do we want democrats to work with us? of course we do. we had joe donnely on the plane yesterday going to indiana which i really believe some of these democrats from some of these states are going to vote for this. indiana, number one
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manufacturing, this tax reform so much helps these kind of manufacturers, i think when people look at their constituents, tax breaks for middle class families making manufacturing more competitive, helping businesses stay in america, creating more jobs and faster economic growth. i got to think that some democrats are going to listen not to the party leaders but to constituents. some are going to vote for this. >> dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with more from house spooker paul ryan.
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>> dickerson: we spoke to speaker ryan about the topic of race in america. a year ago we talked about race relations in the country you said you hoped -- then candidate trump would be inclusive you said, he's new at this. it's been a year now, how would you rate his ability to bring this country together which hasn't clearly -- >> like you said on the charlottesville thing it. -- like three comments one was great -- four comments i think, two go
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you say, he's learning. i know his heart is in the right place. >> dickerson: how do you know that? >> i've had some candid conversations about this, especially during that time. i do believe his hard is in the right place. i think what matters is that we have to show people that we are inclusive society, that we want everyone to succeed. i think there's more that all of us as leaders have got to do to be inclusive with people make people feel like they're included in society. i think we got long ways to go just as society in the country for that. >> dickerson: here is the criticism we know with the nfl, the president makes the case for those who kneel and argues about patriotism. he never has chosen what that's about. should that be addressed by a national leader isn't that part of the conversation? >> there has been conversations, we've had these police shootings, ferguson, that has been a national conversation no two ways about it. we do hearings
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a task force last year after the police shootings, bipartisan task force. >> dickerson: as the president he's -- one side of the argument but holding opposite view and being concerned -- >> what i think a lot of people who are protesting on that don't necessarily see is that other people see it as disrespecting the country, what it stands for the flag and people who died to protect it. i think clearly people have right to express themselves in first amendment however they want to. but what so many americans i see this at home see is you're disrespecting the idea of america that we want to make this free country a more perfect union and people have died to protect it. they don't see the point that they're trying to make. >> dickerson: mr. speaker, thanks for being with. >> i you bet, thanks, john. and ourselves. for a better us, donate to your local y today.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation" we're here with chuck schumer. start with puerto rico a lot of criticism of the federal response. but the administration and marco rubio has said puerto rico is special case it's not like texas and florida. they wereness existing challenges in support reco, a weak electrical grid those kind of things that are part of evaluating what's happening there. >> well, first of all, the president instead of tweeting against the mayor of san juan who is watching her people die and just made ally for help, roll up his sleeves and get to work here. the bottom line is, at least for the first week and a half the effort has been slow footed, disorganized and not adequate.
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general buchanan said he doesn't have enough troops or materials. the secretary, acting secretary of hhs within she visited said that things are not good. and so the bottom line is, that we need more help, we need marco rubio is right we need control and command, that means many more military troops. let me give you an example. in haiti, there were 22,000 troops after two weeks here. right now there are 10,000. those are very, very recent. so this has not been a good response. it needs the president to stop calling names, stop downgrading the motives of people who are calling for help but roll up his sleeves and get to work. by the way, he should have gone to puerto rico earlier than two weeks, we'll be tuesday, that's good. but two weeks after it hit he was in texas twice after that,
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afterwards, they say logistics get in the way. but the president going makes a huge difference and logistics didn't get in the way in the past. >> dickerson: that puerto rico is different case than florida or texas but let's move on here to tax reform quickly you've been talking to the president about making deals with the presidents this something you can do a deal with the president on? >> well, look, we democrats sent a letter to the republican leadership and the president, said that here were three things that we thought tax reform ought to have. one, tax breaks ought not to go to the top 1%. but ought to be focused on the middle class. two, ought not blow a hole in the deficit. three, ought to be done in bipartisan way not through reconciliation. unfortunately the republican plan doesn't agree with any of those. first, it's completely focused on the wealthy and the powerful not on the middle class. second it blows a huge hole in
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the deficit third, they said they're going to do it with through reconciliation, that's a partisan pros, it excludes democrats, the same process that led to the demise on health care. let me just address one thing, john. speaker ryan kept -- keeps saying helps the middle class. that's not true. what he's saying and what the plan is are totally different. let me go over three quick points. one, they get rid of the estate tax, the only people who benefit are the very wealthy, estates over $11 million. 5,000 estates will get over $3 million each. second, they lower the top rate from 39 do 35, that affects the wealthy. they raise the lowest rate from 10 to 12 that affects working people. >> dickerson: that knocks them off the rolls, no long are have to pay taxes which means that's good for them. >> they already don't have to pay tax but to lower the top rate and raise the bottom rate does not make any sense at all. and third, here is what
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their plan are aimed at the top 1%. the top .1%, the people who make over $5 million who are one in a thousand, get a tax break of over a million dollars. the middle class at the same time is hurt just one more point here. the achilles heel, there are many. in suburban, fairly well off districts republicans throughout the states like new york, california, illinois, new jersey, those people even with the standard deduction will pay a lot more. >> dickerson: but why should - should --er. >> -- it should be real test of their congress people who vote with their constituents or they vote with the hard right ideology against state and local deductibility. >> dickerson: argument is why should alabama subsidize new york. but it sounds like you're bakesly out now to stop this bill not to shape
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down. it went up by cbo's 1.6 trillion this is fake numbers. helping the very, very wealthy, ignoring the middle class. what ryan said and what his pre pose alls are totally different. >> dickerson: we're out of time, senator, thanks. >> i feel strongly about this. we want to work with them if they will change. they have to consult us they captain just put down the plan say bipartisanship. >> dickerson: you've been talking to the president, i bet you'll give him that message,e thanks, we'll be back with our panel. don't go away. or this john smith. don't go away. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, to provide care that's just as unique as you are.
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>> dickerson: now try to analyze this. amy walter is national editor at the "cook political report." ben domenech is the founder and publisher of the federalist and ezra klein editor in chief at i want to start with you in puerto rico, what -- just assess the blame here, obviously there's blame to go around, where does it lie? >> i think there's a significant blame to be placed on a lot of different place but just first off my family is puerto rican we have many friend and relatives who are there, they're going through incredibly challenging time. puerto rico is different in a lot of key ways from florida and texas, you can't just get the debris out of a place in the same way when it is an island. i think that one of the biggest problems that puerto rico has their infrastructure was not in good position even before this
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part of the problem in puerto rico is that the politics of the island has been entirely driven by the question of status, what your position is on statehood versus commonwealth verse independence, that led to lot of different people getting elected politically who can take a position on that and argue for it in a fluent way. but aren't necessarily the kind of infrastructure minded, diligent workers that you want to be in place when cries like this comes to bear. clearly the aid got to the island in a lot of different place but did not get to the people who needed it. it hasn't been delivered that last mile. that is going to require, i think, a lot more effort than what you might see for a domestic storm in similar situation, in part because the people who are there on that island have not had the experience of having to deliver with such a heavy lift in the past. >> dickerson: that is the local view. on federal issue, marco rubio said that the problem with the response was they were planning for certain kind of disaster it turned out to be are more tricky.
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isn't that the job in a disaster to adapt at the federal level know that puerto rico is differenting from florida and texas and there for be able to basically adapt, that was the promise of having a businessman in the oval office. what is your sense of that? >> predict and focus, things they said about how it's different, it is different. but what donald trump says is that it's island in the middle of the ocean, that was preexisting knowledge, we knew that before the hurricane hit. there was a real lack of focus in the white house. every bit of reporting weaver seen so far, also what we saw publicly from donald trump during the critical first days after the hurricane have shown this. it was predicted, hit puerto rico in much the way we thought. they didn't have a high level white house on this for six days, during that period it's not like donald trump is out there talking incessantly about puerto rico or focusing on puerto rico, he was playing golf, picking fights with the nfl, focus
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giving number of things they need to do is scarce key qualities, you need to be -- need to have people running on these prog folks you're going to be able to adapt and bring to bear amount of resource you need to. this was at the very least a failure of management and failure of focus. >> dickerson: focus in part from the president has been on the mayor of san juan. how is that a help? >> it doesn't. short answer. i think that has been the challenge for the president all along, which is when there's criticism that comes at him his response is to lash back. even those who are supporters of the president say, i wish you would just stop tweeting start to ezra's point, keep focused. fundamentally i think unfortunately what this does it brings you back to this place where if you are on a certain side of the aisle you're going to side -- you put on your jersey you side with the mayor, if you're on the other side you put and side with the president. once again we're back to taking something that is really serious
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humanitarian crisis and it's become now a political -- a test of your political, are you in this tribe or this tribe. this is where we are at this place in time also what so many voters hate about where we are at this place and time. that the unifying theme that should be we're in a cries let's all get together loss now become test of who are you in alliance with. >> dickerson: switch to taxes here. chuck schumer just given opposition view, i don't think he took a breath. what is your sense of both -- start first with policy in this. what do you make of the unified republican framework? >> i think that republicans are obviously far more comfortable talking about taxes than they are talking about health care. they are happy to run into the teeth of any kind of oppositional argument on tax policy issue because they're so used to making these arguments, become so natural. one of the taping chuck schumer brought up that will be critical question is this issue of state
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there are number of different republicans who come from blue or purple states that are in these subject you are an areas that have benefited from this state and local tax deduction in the past. that's a lot of different house members who are in states like california, who are going to have tough time going to their constituents saying, yes, i'm willing go to remove this out of an act of fairness as you said to the taxpayers of alabama. but they aren't owe look by the taxpayers of alabama. this could turn out to be one of the stickier subjects that they have to deal with in terms of the debate within their conference. >> dickerson: where do you take ahold of this plan? >> right now i think it's important to say the plan lacks a lot of details, for instance, we don't -- three or four tax brackets. but given what we have the tax policy center which does best tax modeling work, there are three numbers worth thinking about. so far republicans say deficit neutral and retain the current codes. looked at the plan made wh
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assumption, if you sort of do the best model you can, this plan is going to give the top percent tax cut of 130,000 on average each. people in the middle class tax but of about 660, very hard to look at those numbers say that's a progressive plan. then cost about $2.5 trillion. somehow if you have deficit neutral you have to pay for that. then as progressive as the current code somehow change deductions and put in a bracket and do a lot of things and really shift that. i am very step particular call. >> dickerson: you are fixing the deficit plan, you don't have any money to pay for underlying deficit which they talked about in the past. amy, let me -- giving the numbers thats ' could rocked about the president campaigned for the forgotten man, the little die, how do you think that plays out within the numbers are disparate and political, democrats are making this case about that it's going to the top. >> couple of
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republicans have. first is, as we've seen with health care, being the opposition party was very easy to craft a message on health care. when you're the party in charge actually have to pass something, where there is give and take, put this coalition together much more difficult. tax reform will fit in that same boat. it is something that is much more unifying for republicans, but they still run up against, i think ben is right on the issue of state and local tax issue, as well as other issues that are going to come up as we're putting this framework together. second is that the being driven by the clock and calendar more so than dooper policy arguments. you talk to republicans who are very upset they didn't get health care through, we have to get tax reform done. it's almost a nonissue about what it look like as much as we got to get this done. we go into 2018 without a tax cut, without anything to tell our constituents we're going to get killed in the mid term elections. i don't think that's a great way to make policy is being worried
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budget reconciliation and before mid term election. >> dickerson: took two years in 1986. >> they are rushing to get this done with the mind on what's going to happen in 2018. one of the things that's not going to happen in 2018 obviously is that bob cork is he not going to be running for re-election, that -- i think that story is actually one of the most significant stories that happened this past week which had lot of significant store rears. step one of wave of retirements, people deciding not to run for re-election within the 18 and 20 cycle. there's a number of republican senators who have had enormous influence over that conference for a long time. but they're now all in their 80s and approaching that point where they that have to decide whether they isn't that to stick around. the fractiousness. it increases likelihood that they can it. >> if they don't pass a tax cut this is what a lot of republicans are worried about on the house side that you are going see wave of retirements
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said we were here for a year, had total control, we didn't get stuff done, i don't know if i want here longer that is very big concern. >> dickerson: and alabama primary where these issues are playing out. >> looks like it's only going to be more fractious. i think one thing about the tax effort which is, there was a deal here. i was talking to top democratic staffer for the kind of democrat they need to get in the senate. we could have done corporate for infrastructure, middle class tax cuts and corporate tax cuts, democrats would have been involved in that. think about trump administration, they don't try. they could try to get bipartisan support an go for the partisan bill if that fails but don't try at the front end. going to be much more fractious plan, by the end if it doesn't go well, democrats are not going to need to come on board. that's a political mistake. >> consider why moore is the nomi
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mcconnell decides that brooks, conservative congressman in the ted cruz, also a critic of mcconnell, needed to be destroyed in the primary. getting rid of conservative candidate thinking that moore would be easy candidate for strange to beat. strange was too conflicted giving his relationship to the governor of alabama and appointment that happened. that ended up dragging him down that's why you end up with someone like moore instead of potentially a more traditional but problematic conservative. >> dickerson: we'll have to end it there because bob schieffer is here. he's coming up next, stay with us.
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>> dickerson: we're back with the one and only bob schieffer. he is a cbs news political contributor author of new book "over load" finding the truth in today's deluge of news. welcome back, bob. so, you set out with this book to figure out whether we are belt are informed or overloaded, you talked to reply stars -- reporters,. >> we're overwhelmed. we've never been through anything quite like this, probably since the invention of the printing press.
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the printing press how improved literacy, caused reformation, counter reformation but there is also 30 years of religious wars that followed the printing press. it took about three decades for world to finally reach equilibrium. we're at the very beginning of what is going on right now in this digital age that has taken the place of print. affected nothing more than the way we get the news and our politics. let me just give you one little stat here, john. in 2004, one reporter in eight lived in new york, washington or los angeles. that number is now down to one in five live in those three place. in a lot of parts of the country right now, it's not a question of bias news or too much news it's a question of no news.
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their news from social media, from facebook. while those are great vehicles, they don't exactly follow the same standards like we did in the mainstream media and still do. we don't print or broadcast something unless we check it out and find out if it's true. so there's always news out there right now. you don't know who to believe, is it true, is it not true. that's what we're sorting our way through right now. >> dickerson: and so the new medium is shakier in terms of standard and also fewer reporters out in the real part of the country, in other words, everybody is in their bubble now. >> yes. and we're no longer basing our opinions on the same data. if you listen to one channel you get one set of facts. if you listen to another channel or read another publication you get another set of facts. so what's different now we're basing our opinion on different ,
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that in the old, more orderly days what i call the gatekeeper era where you have three television stations and one newspaper in every town. maybe you didn't agree with the editorial policy but you took pretty much for granted that what was on the front page or what walter cronkite said was true that he had gone to the trouble of checking it out. now there's 700 channels out there, rear bombarded with so much information, we simply cannot process. >> dickerson: so the facts are more in question and also you have great quote at the start of the book about attention span. that is another huge challenge of our current moment. >> it certainly s. when we have gone to 30-second commercials on television that has reduced our attention span. it's also reduced our patience. it's also made us less patient with things, it's made us, i think, a different kind of society. we talked -- you
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dialogue in the 2016 campaign how crude and rude it was. i think a lot of that has to do with social media, because the dialogue in politics this year was much like the thread on a blog post. somebody posts a blog then somebody else says, that's stupid. then somebody else says, you're stupid, then it's blankety-blank stupid. from the in a in that to the profane. i'm not sure that we have improved our knowledge. >> dickerson: what can we do in the press if you're giving advice to a young journalists what is your advice how to navigate this? >> you have to remember what the role of journalist is, basically we're not the politician. the politician's job is to deliver a message. our job simply to check it out and find out if it's true or if it's false. then report the results of that. we're not going
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we're here to report on the people who are involved in politics and government. and if we do that right we have performed a service that is crucial to democracy as the right to vote. we can't have a democracy like we have unless citizens have access to independently gathered information that they can compare with the government's version of events. and when they do that, we've done our job. >> dickerson: so we have about 30 second left. what then is the consumer's job here in looking at this whole swarms there something they can do better? >> buyer beware. trust the sources, depend not on one source but as many source as you can to come to your own conclusions about what's going on here. >> dickerson: our trusted source, bob schieffer, thanks very much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: congratulations on the book. we'll be right back.
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