there was no traffic study and in fact it was a coaching job by mr. kwon of mr. baroni. and that's what they're looking at in terms of these subpoenas. that's what they're going after. >> well, you know, the cover-up is always worse than whatever it is they're trying to cover up. that's definitely what they think. that's why they're going for this. the other thing is when bill baroni testified, he really irked a lot of people. people thought he was playing a game with them. now they got the subpoena power. >> why does governor christie keep saying, at least as late as he has talked about it that there may have been a traffic stop that turned into a political punishment job, or there might have been a political punishment job that turned into a traffic study. give me a surmise. why would he keep backing up. >> beats the heck out of me. we were surprised when he said it could have been a traffic study. the port authority already said there is no traffic study. we can't figure out why he went back. although he has been off his game lately. he also said he didn't know anythi

baroni, do you believe the governor was behind this? >> this is the thing, and this is why a day before this happened, there was a ruling made by the judge about the instructions to the jury. and the judge basically said to a question that the jury asked, you did not have to believe that bridget kelly and bill baroni were aware this was a payback scheme as they were carrying out. they didn't have to know all of the details of the nature of this. you just have to know that they were understood, they understood this was not on the up-and-up, what they were doing. the judge when they made the determination, said, you just found them guilty. set the bar so low, that the jury -- the strategy of the defense was that they hoped in the jurors' room, the jurors looked at this and say, why isn't christie the one on trial. why are we getting the underlings? >> let me ask you a logic question. why would they do this if it wasn't for the political purposes of their boss? they're not getting five cents out of this. not any personal gain. nothing out

mr. greenwald, thank you, sir for joining us. we haven't had you on before. i want to know what you thought of that performance by the governor in the context of what has happened and what we know so far. >> well, i think the governor's performance today was a little stale, to be honest with you, compared to what we're used to seeing, some of the bombastic comments and bravado that he has brought to the state of the states in previous years. but i think in the introit was very well said. bridgegate defines him. it doesn't define us as a state. it defines him and his actions. and while he did not focus much on it today, and i actually think that was appropriate, because we have to get to the business of the state, the truth of the matter is the governor keeps apologizing to the people for his staff betraying him. it's time for the governor to apologize to the people of the state of new jersey and the inconvenience that his leadership and the culture that he created caused the people of ft.

and let me say a little gratuitously, mr. mastro with his high hourly salary didn't do a very good report. he issues a report without knowing the motive, without being able to speak to many of the main people in this. and then throwing in the gratuitous remarks about this so-called personal relationship is really -- because they describe david wildstein as the man with the crazy ideas. that man with the crazy ideas was hired to be the governor's eyes and ears at the port authority. and then they depict -- how are they depicting bridget kelly here? that somehow she was a woman scorned and therefore kind of gone wild on herself? >> dodgy. not to be believed. >> that's the woman he hired in his office. >> and by the way, worked less than 100 feet across the office. let me go back to brian about this. here is the one i thought was interesting. wildstein has said he told the governor about this when it was happening. now this report that cost all this money, $600,000 bucks, whatever, doesn't even say whether the governor had a con