wildstein and mr. baroni to do this alleged traffic study and close lanes, but it sure seems to me that it was done on his behalf when the mayor did not support him when he was running for the election. >> wait, you think it is -- you have worked with this governor, you're a re-elected representative in the state assembly. >> yes. >> you think it's plausible that chris christie, or chris christie's confederates would do something like this? >> well, when this first came to light and the legislature asked questions as to what is going on here, at first, there was no response. then they came up with this traffic study because it favored ft. lee residents, which made no sense at all, and mr. baroni came to the hearing with this large graphic depicting the lanes that were being shut down, and this particular entrance was set aside for ft. lee residents back in the 1930s, but there's no contract, nothing in writing about that, by the way, and there's no signage that says ft. lee residents only, so we kind o

a republican state senator called mr. lavin with a message from the governor and then used an obscene phrase to describe what the governor thought he should do. that call was made by bill baroni one of the appointees that resigned from the bridge controversy. here we have baroni making this call. could this go into a pattern here, ryan? >> i think certainly because whether or not chris christie actually picked up the phone and called these fellows and said, hey, i want you to shut down this bridge so that it jams up traffic in this town as retaliation, whether or not he actually did that, he created the climate in which they thought this was the kind of thing that chris christie wanted done. it's sort of strange to hear him protest at this point that there's this image of him being projected as a bully when that's what launched him to the stage. so, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire. in this case a lot of the fire has been started by christie himself. >> but if we're dealing with 2016, it's one thing to have a g