they owned the press and the academia and bit the centrism and liberalism and they did not feel they needed to build up a counter establishment and charles koch wanted to take it over so we pulled up his own craft and academia and all of these organizations. maybe if the democrats feel endangered enough they will do the same. >> anything else? yes. >> [inaudible] there is a report that there are additional recordings of the torture sessions and tylan that gina was not able to destroy and they said something is that what you've heard as well? do you think those tapes will ever see the light of day? >> i don't know about it but it does not surprise me as a possibility because they recorded everything. one of the things i cannot believe what i was doing the book was in the beginning anyway was it was so meticulous and deliberate and it was there were scientists and doctors and psychologists measuring to make sure that when the water boarded people they measured their oxygen levels so that they did not die but they go right up to the edge of dying and it would not surprise me if there we

so he built up his own academia and all of these organizations. maybe if the democrats feel endangered enough they would do the same. there are additional recordings. is that something you've heard as well. do you think they will ever see the light of day. i don't know about it. it doesn't surprise me as a possibility. because they reported everything. it was so meticulous in deliberate and there were scientists and doctors psychologist measuring to make sure that when they waterboarding people they measured their oxygen level so they didn't die. it wouldn't surprise me if there were other records i don't know if there are more videotapes or not. most of these people were on. there is some examples of people trying to destroy the video. water boarded 88 times. they can be incompetent when it comes to that. thank you so much. in terms of your contact we hear a lot about accusations made. in terms of your contacts with people who had worked in the state department or cia or career people how are these people doing. i think at the morale is just terr