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defense attorney joey jackson. really? this is as good as walmart's got? >> it's very interesting. and the complaints, look at that complaint you showed me earlier, right? good stuff. here's the point. the point is this is where good lawyering meets bad publicity and bad public relations. walmart is a giant. it's huge. it's a major multibillion dollar entity, fortune 500 number one. but the lawyers, of course, in response to this, carol, they have to do that. why? they want to limit their liability. now, it may make good sense for them to settle this because, of course, us hearing and talking about this, the public is none too pleased that they're shunning responsibility. but at the end of the day, if you contribute to your injury your recovery is lessened by 2 amount of your contribution. >> so i will play along. because it is illegal in the state of new jersey not to wear a seat belt. so if tracy morgan did not wear a seat belt, he was breaking the law, i guess, right? >> not really. look, the reality is that certainly we should have seat beltings on in the state of new jersey. there's a

joining me. mike brooks and also joey jackson. so welcome to all of you. a lot to get through. but first, just the facts. susan candiotti, let me begin with you. four people in the car. tell me who is in the car. you hear the woman, who we can't see on the phone with 911, give me more of the back story. >> this happened on september 24th, hammond, indiana, which is near chicago. four people in cars, you said. the mother, 7-year-old daughter, 14-year-old son, the son is the one who was rolling the video from the backseat. and in the passenger side is a male adult. it all started because of a seat belt. they weren't wearing their seat belts. and in the end, by the way, all that happened at the tail end of all of this is that the woman who was driving got ticketed for not wearing a seat belt and some other thing involving a license plate, minor. and he gets cited for not wearing a seat belt and additionally, i think it was failure to aid an officer because they wanted him to get out of the car. and resisting law enforcement. and that's how, in the end, all of this wound up. >> but alo

with public media. >> ted rowlands covering the story, also with us analyst joey jackson. ted, you were in the courtroom. government attorneys say they want secrecy during what should be a routine hearing? >> no, it's kind of a mystery, don. in a filing they said it was a third party privacy concern and then during the hearing the judge actually said that the concern had to do with minors. but that was it. that's all we heard about. and as you mentioned, kahn's defense team adamantly objected for that part of the hearing to be done in secret. they wanted the media and the public to be able to see what happened. so basically the judge ordered the frogs fiprosecution to file rebuttal and we'll find out in 11 days whether in this be will in the open or out doors. >> his attorney says the teenager may hold radical view but was hasn't broken any laws and he says, isis doesn't pose a threat, just beheaded a few people. your take? >> i know thomas dirken, i tried a federal case, he's a very good lawyer. having said that, there's a lot that we don't know. the reality is, the suggestion tha

agree with joey jackson completely on the law. but here's why the dial moves for officer wilson. if the grand jurors are looking at this and they're saying you know something? this officer was attacked. he was attacked by somebody who tried to take his gun, who maybe was trying to kill him. they're going to give officer wilson the benefit of the doubt. >> in their heads -- >> in a subsequent encounter. maybe they're not supposed to do that as far as the law goes, but that's how human beings are, and i think they'll cut the officer more slack, and this moves the dial in his direction. it's not over by any means. >> you know the way juries work as well. >> two things. first, any lawyer can spin it in any direction. if you have paul arguing for the prosecution, obviously it's a different narrative he'll put on it. if you're arguing for the defense, the other. here's what it comes down to. in the event that it goes to the issue of state of mind, was he being attacked, officer wilson? was he scratched? beaten? swollen? that's one thing. but now at the time that he fired the shot, was it

released under house arrest after serving ten months. joining me to talk about this, joey jackson. good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> so, you know, i mean five years doesn't sound like much for killing someone. >> it's a very difficult thing, carol, and i have never worn the black robe but i certainly appear regularly before those that do and it's a difficult decision. if you listen to what she indicated when she was rendering the decision she said, listen, i'm going to do two things. number one, i'm going to ensure the sentence i impose sends the right message to the community. we don't want to send the wrong message. you remember, carol, the defense was really pushing for house arrest and community service. she said i'm not going to do that. that's the wrong message. at the same time, i don't want to be vengeful and i don't want to carry out a sentence which would do anything else but impose some measure of mercy. so judges have to balance the equities. and to the extent as you explained it, it's culpable homicide and that amounts to gross negligence, unintentional so she had to

judge. issuing ln legal analyst joey jackson is in indiana and midwin charles joins me in new york. welcome to all of you. >> good morning. >> poppy, what do we expect in court today? well, what we expect is for the prosecutors in in lake county to officially bring these charges against 43-year-old darren vann. the the gary indiana police chief said yesterday in the press conference that he believes there is enough evidence against darren vann to charge him with first-degree murder ina the least three of these cases. police have identified four of the seven vice president, but three of them were so badly decomposed they still have not been able to make those identities known at this point in time. also important to note, did this cross state lines? and if so, the fbi will become involved. so you not only have people here, police here continuing to search in gary, indiana, hammond, indiana and you have authorities in cook county searching in these abandoned homes. >> joey, when will you expect charges in the other deaths to be filed against this man? >> that's the critical question

of jesse matthew's belongings have been taken away. >> brian todd and joey jackson, thank you very much. i appreciate it. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" after a break. >>> happening now in the newsroom, ebola in the big apple. ahead this hour, facts, not fear. what you need to know. how it happened and what doctors are saying this morning. plus, breaking

last saturday on an abandoned property. joining us now is criminal defense attorney joey jackson. legal analyst for hln. joey, thanks so much. let's talk about the suspect in this case. we know jesse matthew has been charged but only with abduction with intent to defeel in the case of hannah graham but now that we've remains do you think we'll see more charges filed? >> whenever in a criminal case you find the body to think and imagine her family you send your precious pride and joy off to the university of virginia, a wonderful institution and the issue then becomes how do you get justice if there is justice because she's dead. however, with the finding of the body you have what's called dna evidence. we know a lot about it. right? people watch "csi" and that's significant because what it does it provides a link i would suspect although they are skeletal remains authorities searched the body and choate c and anything in the surrounding area that could be valuable which could link a suspect and if it's jesse matthews would certainly be compelling and damning evidence whatever the dna. a

tested negative for the virus two times. let's bring in dr. amish and joey jackson. welcome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. joey, maine has not filed for a court order just yet but it's likely to do that some time today. do you think it will be successful? >> i think they could be. it comes down balancing individual liberties versus the rights of society as a whole. now, there's a lot we don't know about this and there's been information and misinformation, but what we do know is 21 days apparently is that incubation period, this t doctor could speak to that issue. so even though she tested negatively, the issue becomes could she become positive at some later time. and if she is what danger that would pose to the public. and so it's up to a judge to determine whether her individual liberties are violated but based on the fact she's asystematic now but could be system mat nick the future a judge could say, you know what? abide by the rules, stay home mandatorily. >> doctor, kaci hickox is obviously trying to prove a point here. is she smart to the that? >> i can

, joey jackson, our cnn legal analyst is with me, too. you were inside the courtroom when eric frein made his initial appearance in front of a judge. what was that like? >> i have never seen anything like it. there must have been 30 law enforcement officials in this small courtroom here from the state troopers to the sheriffs to police. everybody. just incredibly high security. the other thing that we saw just a short time ago was a -- the walk of the suspect from the front doors of this courthouse. i've never seen anything like it. you saw heavily armed police come out to secure the area. they brought mr. frein around. you heard the cat calls, you heard the applause as the officials spoke now. this is a man that they are worried somebody will try to kill, yet they want the world to know and there's a great sense of relief that they got him. mr. frein walked into court today, he looked thin, he looked pale. i can tell you his forehead, he had abrasions on the left side of his forehead, the left side of the bridge of his nose was cut and along his left cheek it looked like it was brui

joey jackson with me as is matthew horace, a former atf special agent and senior vice president and chief security officer for fjc security service. i'd like to go to pennsylvania first and check in with miguel, because it was quite the scene inside the courthouse this morning. tell us about it, miguel. >> inside and out. i have never seen anything like it. i've covered a lot of trials over the last few years. this is a guy -- this was about a ten-minute hearing. mr. frein was brought in. he looked thin and he looked pale but as the judge addressed him, his voice was strong, he said "yes, i do, no, i don't." he was respectful. he didn't seem to be insane or acting odd in any way other than he was incredibly sober this morning. he did have a cut or abrasions on the left side of his forehead, a cut to the left side of his nose and his left cheek appeared to be bruised and possibly swollen. police saying a short time ago that whatever he was going through in the woods up until the time he was caught was what led to those injuries on him. they said he gave up without even struggling. i