. >> stephen: you know what, i do believe you? >> thank you. >> stephen: people like paul giamatti. because you seem like an average guy. ( cheers and applause ) and you seem like a very average, relatable guy. i loved you "john adams" for which you won the emmy. >> thank you. >> stephen: did john adams seem like a kind of guy you could get to know? >> i don't know. he's a pretty angry guy. >> stephen: really? >> sees he's a difficult, spiky, abrasive guy. i have to play a lot of guys like that. >> stephen: you do. >> i don't know why. ( laughter ) what the hell is that all about! that is why. still, adams seems more relatable than someone like jefferson. >> for sure. >> stephen: jefferson is like-- i'm not going to go to monticello. might get-- you know, might get freaky while there. >> totally. >> >> stephen: i'm not into that scene. >> the weird inventions. >> stephen: and in this show "billions," you play a federal prosecutor-- >> very relatable people. >> stephen: what's his name? >> chuck roads. >> stephen: chuck roads? >> chuck roads. sounds like an ice cream flavor. >> steph