efforts in geneva russia has initiated this same peace talks the first two in the catholic capitalist ana and three rounds later they are in russia in such a but what's all the prospects for progress. well as discussed that point now with our guests and joining us here in doha we've got more on carville and he's director of policy analysis at the institute for graduate studies in moscow have all failed and how economist with know via gazeta and in dubai via skype dr masson sell off a syrian opposition member a very warm welcome to all of you thanks for joining us on inside story so pawel we've got these geneva talks which were led by the u.n. we've got a standard talks which were led by russia and turkey why do we now need such she talks. well this was seen and planned as a kind of grand conference that would give the ultimate authority to the russian vision of the future of syria and the kind of solid the farai of the russian. turkish reigne and access in imposing a solution on syria that these three countries want and for russia of course the presence of turkey is a suppression impo

the main opposition is boycott of the talks the western powers say sochi could undermine efforts in geneva which is backed by the united nations and as roy chalons reports from such a these latest talks have already got off to a rocky start. the saatchi congress almost on ravel before it had even begun with a group of turkish backed opposition figures arriving in sochi airport in the early hours of this morning seeing lots of syrian government flags all over the place and sided in deciding that they were going to go home unless these were change q lots of to ing and fro ing between the russian foreign ministry and the turkish foreign ministry to sort this out the upshot was that those delegates did go back to where they came from but they handed their author a t. to turkish government representatives to bring to the dialogue here in sochi it's been a perennial problem really for all the various stages of syria peace negotiations to try and get to the disparate opposition groups buy into it and get on board the problem that many of them have with sorting particularly is they feel that this