in many western media you're referred to as either former oil czar or hugo chavez's right hand man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. hearing europe. or. the most important post. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in 2017 you accused him of incompetence and there's supreme power here.

on the welcome to walter part 2 decades after hugo chavez won his 1st election his boley very end revolution is screeching to a halt but runaway inflation and unemployment higher than ever and millions are believed to have left in his and wild world powers are now locked over what their president may do or should go to the bigger question is where should the country move from here to discuss that i'm now joined by rafael ramirez close ally of president chavez and a harsh critic of both president nicolas maduro and the opposition leader. mr ramirez it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you think is my bush in many a western media you're referred to as either former oil czar or hugo chavez says the right had man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. here in europe but disclosure because. when the swiss. i was with. the most important both. of our. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in 2017 you accused him of incompetence and there supreme power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to the

chavez says dr had mad. i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. hearing europe. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in 2017 you accused him of incompetence and power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to the side what do you make all of what's happening in and around venezuela right now.

presidents forgetting things like when jimmy carter praised yes praised hugo chavez well no he didn't really praise him but it's just too close we came to know a man who expressed a vision to bring profound changes to his country to benefit is specially those people who had felt neglected and marginalized and once again the free media and patriots had to remind mr carter that chavez is bad and venezuela together with china and russia iran may be a little north korea definitely geez bernie better grab a pen them and more than a baddies and even if they do what america does you can't compare the 2 because you actually can compare them it's entirely possible and even reasonable but because. just don't as trump found out when asked by a journalist about president vladimir putin being a killer do a lot of killers go out and kill as well you think our country so innocent roland well it's technically your right but it's not what america wants to hear one patriotic american put it and no i don't think there's any equivalent i do think america is exceptional america is different i think there'