to put the hit on letelier. he never says the words "pinochet did it," but he says things like, "everything i did, i did because el jefe told me to do it. everything i did as the head of d.i.n.a." at some point, they even have a shouting match against this. pinochet saying, "no, no, no, i just gave you general directions to deal with subversives. i did not tell you to kill anyone." so it is not absolutely clear from those conversations and those shouting matches what contreras really meant. contreras' explanation for this particular crime was always the same. until he died, he said the cia did it, and michael townley was an agent of the cia, right? because that is a lie that anyone in south america would believe, either on the left or on the right. they would believe the cia is able to do these sorts of things, and of course, it is able to do it, and townley is an american, so it seems to make sense. but it does not make sense. it is not true. >> i have one last question. i just wanted to know what your personal

he was talking about the letelier assassination. on one hand, carter meant that such a brazen attack on the chilean dissident on u.s. soil was unacceptable to the u.s. policy-making apparatus, whether republican or democrat. it made the united states look unable to police its own borders. it made the cold war seem out of control. on the other hand, foreign policy makers were careful of pushing too hard. we were not against the chilean government. we were not against what the military had done, which means the overthrow. we were against the abuse of it and the terrorism that had been performed its in name. so it was often up to regular people like isabel letelier, michael moffitt and human rights organizations to pressure carter officials against the chileans. first to expel townley from chile, which proved successful, and second to extradite contreras and other chileans, which proved a failure. when pinochet once travelled to washington, carter met him in the oval office and brought up human rights, and his -- carter's determination

on october 4, an unknown male called letelier's aunt. maria, maria, maria, maria he said, talking to the fbimaria, condescendingly, talking to the fbi won't help you. your legs have been spread lewis like orlandos. then he hung up. in late november, a fight answer the ant was standing at kennedy airport rifling through her purse for a key to an airlines office. suddenly a man grab her arm and yanked her around. you tell your friend larry to keep his nose out of chile's business or you won't be so pretty anymore. boom boom, do you know what i mean? this happened over and over again in the investigation. two of the fbi, the lawyers, to the uj js and everybody who would talk to the fbi. if they could do this and gotaway with it under the easy no of the cia and the fbi said president-elect jimmy carter, then no president can govern. he was talking about the assassination. on the one hand -- it made the united states make unable to police its own borders. it made the cold war seem out of control. on the other hand foreign policy makers were c