are there many real bill clintons? who is bill clinton? in a complicated man, this story's is told through 169 people who know him. the idea was to create a book-like conversation about this fascinating man, a conversation the reader can eavesdrop on. i hope it's the most intimate character yet of our 42nd president. i think it's the most varied. people included in the book are people who grew up with bill clinton, people who went to school, worked for him, worked with him, against him, people who investigated him, defended him, reported on him, people who love him, people who hate him. everyone from the cousin who took him to classes to the statesmen and nationally known journalists, cabinet members, political consultants, over 2 dozen members of congress from barnesny frank -- barney frank and there's a cameo appearance by flint. i took a solid year interviewing, and now my wife tells me i'm a man of strong opinions stubbornly held. she was struck when i would report on the days interview, i would find merit in the views of what whatever

guest: referring to clinton. c-span: ... bill clinton. "neither reagan nor bush did that after all these years of my advice and, frankly, i've had it. they'll find me when they need me, but i may not be available." did he really mean that? guest: i'm not sure he was referring to clinton there. he may have been referring to the bush campaign. i'm not sure. we'll have to clarify that. c-span: but there's a lot of that kind of a quote in the book... guest: right. c-span: ... about different politicians and the advice that they would seek from him, but they wouldn't acknowledge it publicly. what was that all about? guest: that's right. well, generally that was a problem with the republican presidents, because obviously there was a great political problem for them in dealing with richard nixon. this was a republican president who had been driven from office, and they did not want to publicly acknowledge the association that they had with richard nixon. so even though reagan and bush consulted with nixon on a fairly regular basis, although not

clinton. there's no point scouring the east wing for scandals that she might have. she is a librarian, after all. a wonderful woman. as was mrs. clinton. but you know, it's going to be intriguing to look forward to the next four years, depending on the outcome of the 2004 election, to see what happens, and i wouldn't be surprised if we had a rematch of the early new york senate race between hillary rodham clinton and rudy giuliani, very intriguing for not only me but any columnist in the nation's capitol. >> chapter 7 fruit cake, i point out congressmen and senators are no different than you and me. they are dog walkers. they are den mothers. they are boy scout leaders. and like you and i, sometimes they lose their temper. the fruit cakes quote came most recently in late 2003 during one altercation between two congressmen during a hearing on capitol hill in much one repeatedly called the other one, and this is in a crowded hearing room, obviously televised by c-span, so you have children watch

liberals hated bill clinton in 1995. they hated him on welfare reform and balanced budget and civil liberties stuff. he would bad mouth the aclu. the only exception, because he needed the black vote, so he stuck with that. divorcing himself from the congressional democratic leadership is the best thing he could do politically. they'll hate to hear it, but it's absolutely true. >> at the put putt to the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars including all four, will that be because of his own smart steps or because the republicans blow it? it's tied, 6-6. john, an drew, and kelly, you all voted that it will be his own smart move this year. andrew. >> yeah. i think that by tackling the debt and identifying himself as -- what his theme is i tackled the big problems, i'm not going to punt to the next generation. i tackled the health care crisis. i'm the grown-up tackling the hard stuff. that's what i'm about. chris: you covered all the institutions, all the interest groups, unions, teachers union, they don't want to hear this. >

it's remarkable when bill clinton after losing the world -- well, bill clinton's image, we're talking about photo germism, his image was morphed on the candidates during the midterm election. >> host: why is it to polarizing? >> guest: for a number of reasons. now today one talks ab the possibly racism involved and in bill clinton's case, you couldn't say it was because he was white. >> host: 60ss -- >> guest: i think it's the counterpart. which newt given -- newt gingrich played they were soft. they were all pot smokers out of vietnam. i think a lot of it was like we were saying earlier, the first two terms are the learning experiences. and he made this terrible mistake in making an old kinger garden -- kindergarten friend as chief of staff. in terms of his private life. he wanted the chief of staff that would respect those. it was a terrible mistake. you know, he has a brilliant mind. but it's not a good administrative mind. you know, he needs somebody. just like eisenhower during world war ii had general badell smith as they say kicked ass. you have to have someone that's the bad c

and ron brown and introduces bill clinton, and bill clinton gets to the podium, and he starts delivering this speech. and i'm sitting in the back, and i'm listening and listening and listening, and i don't hear a single word. i said, this just can't be. he thought the speech was so good. in the end he sees me in the back dejected, and he says, the funniest thing happened. he says, you know the guy who introduced me? he took hi speech off the stage with him too. [laughter] so that teaches you very quickly that you're really not important and that most of these people can handle it fine without you. and i think that always puts it in perspective. >> i don't know whether speech writers will ever get, will ever get to the point where they get recognized, where the president says something about them. if you think about since we're book people here, if you think about authors over the years and important people who write, are ghost writers, who write things with them, and for years to one ever knew who they were. and in recent years people sign contracts where they get to say and done with, y

and so, clinton called him in. i was covering the clinton white house at the time. it was really rather funny. they made sure it happened in the dead of night so nobody would see nixon or then there would be no photographers. healy and memo to "the new york times." marvin kolb has hurt a nice little book about that at a site in the book about his effort to spread this memo of his views of what was going on and how many people fell for it and whom they use to try to do it. it was they were luckless, somewhat successful. i would say among the elites, if it should foreign policy establishment. but i doubt many of you had your eyes glued to his funeral. nixon would've loved to see in their own. and he had -- there were six presidents they are and kissinger gave the eulogy. his eyes tearing added beloved figure. bob dole, who actually said to me, dole is chairman of the republican national committee. i believe it was then that -- it was for a midterm election while nixon was president. i'm sorry, it was with a group of people and people were saying -- press were saying t

s crean un grupo para resolver los conflictos cara a cara, la secretaria de estado hillary clinton y hugo chÁvez se dan un apretÓn de manos en brasil, el presidente barak obama se firma un decreto para apoyar a las de que mÁs de terrorismo. un agente policial muerto. este es su noticiero univisiÓn tiene semana. >> buenas noches, gracias por compartir parte del fin de semana, esperemos que continÚan disfrutando. chile descartÓ una alerta es una mi, despuÉs de un sismo 7.1. el epicentro del terror se ubicÓ cerca de la ciudad de temuco del presidente ofreciÓ una conferencia de prensa. >> quiero llamar a la calma a las personas, afortunadamente no tenemos que lamentar ni accidentes y pÉrdidas de vidas, ni daÑos mayores. en todo caso es importante destacar que todos los servicios funcionarÁn en forma normal. hubo algunos cortes parciales de energÍa, hubo tambiÉn algunos momentos de saturaciÓn en el sistema de telÉfonos y también confusiÓn en los telÉfonos celulares. pero todos los sistemas funcionaron normalmente, salvo estas congestiones propias de situaciones como És

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hillary clinton makes appearances on all five shows. they begin at noon with nbc's "meet the press". david gregory talks with secretary clinton and a former u.s. ambassador to israel and mitch mcconnell. at 1:00 p.m., here at abc's this week. reporting from cairo, they talk with secretary clinton and the egyptian ambassador. also, the former national security adviser and the carter administration. fox news sunday airs at 2:00 p.m., chris wallace after speaking with the secretary clinton talks with house speaker john boehner. at 3:00 p.m., it is cnn's state of the union. they talk with secretary clinton, john negroponte, and edward walker, the former u.s. ambassador to egypt. and former senator alan simpson, the co-chairman of the white house commission on fiscal responsibility and reform. at 4:00 p.m., it is face the nation from cbs. the speaker is secretary clinton and white house chief of staff bill daley and his first televised interview. these are the talk shows brought to you by that -- as a public service by the networks and c- sp

since leaving office, president bill clinton has focused on a whole host of issues through his clinton global initiative. i spoke with him at the meeting here in davos, switzerland at the world's economic forum about his top initiative today, job creation. >> in the united states i think the biggest problem we have is to try to accelerate the rate at which we're creating jobs. so where we're going now, it will take six years to recover the jobs that were lost in the recession, not counting the five million or so we'll have to generate just to keep up with population growth. >> and you're going to be launching cgi america, basically a job summit? >> yes, i am. it occurred to me that not just american employers, but international employers with operations in america ought to be brought together with banks and others. you know, there is a lot of money in america now. the banks have over $2 trillion in cash uncommitted to loans. corporations have almost $2 trillion, right at $2 trillion there is enough money in american banks and american corporations to end the global recession if we coul

second clinton said, it's been on the agenda for a long time. a lot of us felt that had he moved on some of these issues, we'd have had a much smoother transition than we're, witnessing now. >> can he stay in power? >> look, it's not up to us to, to give the egyptians advice about this. you know, hopefully the transition will occur relatively peacefully. and at the end of it all, i hope we still have an important ally in the middle east? >> you'd be prepared to recognize whether it's mubarak, whether it's egyptian brotherhood. whoever takes control in egypt, united states will be an ally of? >> it's up to egyptians to determine who their leadership is, we'll take a look at it after that. >> let me turn to other big matters in washington. i guess the overarching question in terms of a new foreign policy test for this president, how important, what's important about how he handles it for you? >> well, i think, i don't have any criticism of the way -- you're talking about the egyptians? >> yeah. >> i don't have any criticism of president obama or s

we'll talk with secretary of state hillary clinton. and we'll ask our panel what this means for u.s. interests in the middle east. plus, now that republicans control the house, what's their plan to shrink government, cut their deficit and get people back to work? we'll ask john boehner in his first sunday show interview since he was elected speaker. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. we'll get to our interviews with secretary clinton and speaker boehner in a moment, but first the latest on the situation in egypt. for the sixth straight day, thousands took to the streets of cairo and other major cities to protest the country's authoritarian government. president mubarak named his intelligence chief suleiman the vice president. for more, let's bring in fox news correspondent greg palkot live in cairo. greg? >> reporter: hey, chris. with protesters and security forces filling the streets here for yet another day in cairo, the word to americans is to stay clear. cairo airport clogged today with

secretary of state hillary clinton has reiterated her support for mexico's and drug measures structure assured president felipe calderon the obama administration would control the flow of guns and money from the u.s. to the drug cartels clinton called the battle against the drug trafficking organizations are necessary despite the high cost of human lives more than thirty four thousand people from drug related killings have died in mexico over the last four years with the death toll spiking by sixty percent last year are now top of the business news is here. hello and a very warm welcome to your business update the markets in russia have reacted calmly to the booming of domodedovo airport after an initial so long as the news broke on monday afternoon equities have staged a steady recovery analysts say that will have little long term impact on the investment climate as a certain level of risk was already assumed that just in effect is most likely to be felt will be in transport enter isn't let's take

because as we learned today his state is not financially sound and secretary of state hillary clinton made a surprise visit to. her calling it a mission to discuss women's rights civilian aid but can they really expect us to believe it has anything else to do with other than our shadow war at the u.s. is there. a song from sounds stupid. stunts on t.v. . broadcasting live from our studios. for wiki leaks founder julian assange has claimed he could be facing time in guantanamo bay or even the death penalty if he's tried u.s. this comes as he appears in court in the u.k. fighting a swedish extradition washington is investigating possible criminal charges against the song over the release of. lisbon insists it does not need a bank bailout as it comes under pressure from germany and france to head off a potential euro zone crisis portugal is widely seen as the next to be bailed out if it doesn't regain confidence the country represents less than two percent of the blogs gross domestic product experts fear. the spanish economy. in the last vessel trapped in freezing waters off russia's far

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. >> incluso lula dijo: la seÑora clinton deberÍa venir a caracas. inviten a chÁvez, vayan por bolivia. mÍrennos de otra manera. >> despuÉs de los actos, el presidente hugo chÁvez tuvo tiempo hasta para hacer algunas bromas. >> le dije a antos: ten cuidado por los guerrilleros. cuÁles? >> ahÍ tiees al pepe al lado. >> las relaciones internacontra Él es uno de los temas mÁs importantes de la agenda del mandatario para 2011. >> que sea un aÑo donde se instalo un nuevo sistema de relacionamiento entre todos los paÍses de nuestro continente. >> hugo chÁvez tambiÉn se reuniÓ con el presidente de colombia, santos, a quien le confirmÓ que maÑana entregarÁ al comandante de un frente guerrillero capturado en venezuela. en bogotÁ, colombia, univisiÓn. >> el presidente barack obama dijo sentirse honrado por firmar una ley para ayudar a los sobrevitientes de los atentados del 1 1 de stbrde 001. en un comunicado el mandatario dijo que la legislaciÓn es un paso crucial para los que continÚan cargando con las cicatrices fÍsicas dejadas por esos

that is what i would like to see. >> bill clinton there. china has conducted its first test of a stealth fighter jet. the u.s. defense secretary at the flight confirmed to him by his chinese counterpart in a meeting in beijing. there are concerns about the growing military potential, especially the potential to develop new weapons. >> the plain that china hopes any future enemy -- plane that hopes -- that china hopes any future in me will not seek. it is designed to evade enemy radar just like the most modern u.s. and russian jets. but the chinese played down the significance of this new aircraft. >> as technology develops, it is normal for countries to upgrade their weapons. developing weapons for china is a completely defensive means. it does not pose a threat to other countries or any entity. >> the test coincided with a visit of the u.s. defense secretary robert gates. that was certainly not a coincidence. mr. gates was hoping to restart military to military contact with china, halted by beijing almost a year ago. ed china's growing cap

reagan, clinton, bush o barack obama. para tu opinión ingrese a la página de univisión noticias punto com. >> y aquí en n. washington miles de personas op puestas al aborto se manifestaron por las calles de la capital hasta la corte su frem así cono momaron el aniversario de... la decisión del el supremo que legalizó algunos tipos de aborto más de una docena de legisladores hambrearon antes que se iniciara la llamada marcha por la vida. >> y ahora vamos a chico goshgs donde la boleta en la elección por la al caí no llevaría el nombre de emanuel, corte de apelación decidió que el ex jefe de gano te del presidente barack obama no es elegible para aspirar al cargo, viviana nos dice en que se basó la decisión y como emanuel a este fallo. >> a menos, de un mes de elecciones, el ex jefe de gabinete rezo boda un dure ves por parte de una corte de apelaciones de la ciudad que dice que no puede ser candidato en un documento de 42 páginas expresan que no cumple con el código municipal de haber vivo ido en la ciudad

chris: and then there's bill clinton and virginia kelly. his biography of clinton, the great author emeritus described that mom this way -- the psychological center of her life seemed to be her son billy. she made it clear she expected him to achieve. well, accepting his presidential nomination bill clinton acknowledged his mother was no petunia. >> well, where i get my fighting spirit, it all started with my mother. chris: a sentiment echoed by his mother. here she was with katie couric on "today" that same week. >> it's been written to understand bill, you must start with virginia. how does he take after you? >> i have a lot of drive. >> and you don't give up easily? >> no, never. chris: finally, barack obama and his mom. this is how he told it in a campaign ad. >> she was working full time so she would make me up at 4:30 in the morning. we'd sit there and go through my lessons and i used to complain and grumble. you can imagine an 8-year-old kid having to wake up at 4:30. if i grumbled she would say, well, this is no picnic for me either

barack obama it's amazing he adapted more so than clinton. i'm stunned at how quickly and how well they've done it. >> rose: a lot of people were saying this is a speech that could have been been given by a republican, the american concept you'llism for sure. >> they said of that bill clinton's speech, too. >> rose: maybe that's where we are. >> it wasn't just a centrist speech. a center right speech, could you arc, malpractice reform, spending freeze, tax reform. these are ideas that will certainly appeal to many independents. >> rose: willing to change health care or willing to listen? >> willing to listen. i think the health care issue is a separate issue and frankly that's going to anger independents and conservatives because it was a little bit in your face. i'm going to listen but there's a lot of things i'm not going to change. maybe that would have been best left unsaid. but the point is it was in text a center/right speech. i think this reflects the reality of the election, the reyament of campaign. the one reason he may not be on th

una sangrienta bienvenida le dieron los narcotraficantes mexicanos a la secretaria de estado hillary clinton su encuentro con la secretaria de relaciones exteriores en méxico ocurrió en medio de la defensa del crimen organizada que dejó numerosas víctimas como nos cuenta raúl torres. >> el encuentro de los cancilleres de méxico y los estados unidos estuvo marcada por la violencia del crimen organizado. es que apenas antes. un comando armado asesinaba a 7 jóvenes que jugaban fútbol en este lugar que tenía la frase del gobierno mexicano "vivir mejor". >> la secretaria clinton en su visita a guanajuato dijo ser admirador del presidente calderón por la lucha que mantiene y el gobierno de obama los seguirá apoyando. recordó la canciller mexicana la violencia del narcotráfico es problema de los dos países. >> es un enemigo común. >> pero 9 jóvenes muertos en ciudad juárez uno de ellos de 13 años fueron el marco para pregun preguntarle si el presidente mexicano le pidió ayuda al de los estados unidos para terminar con la violencia en esa ciudad el mismo que el presidente mexicano

[applause] as well as president bill clinton and my outstanding secretary of state, hillary clinton. [applause] president hu -- [speaking in chinese] [speaking in chinese] president obama: president hu, we have met today in a spirit of mutual respect. the united states, the oldest democracy in the world and china, one of the oldest civilizations in the world. [speaking in chinese] speaking in chinese] president obama: and while it's easy to focus on differences of culture and perspective, let us never forget the values that our people share, a reverence for family, the belief that with education and hard work and with sacrifice, the future is what we make it, and most of all, the desire to give our children a better life. [speaking in chinese] [speaking in chinese] [speaking in chinese] president obama: let's also never forget that throughout our history, our people have worked together for mutual progress, and we traded together for more than 200 years, we stood together in the second world war as chinese immigrants and chinese americans help build america including many who join us

i think clinton set up a bigger mess for us than bush did. i'm going downtown to order this book today. just two questions on that. one does he have anything in the book about why he filed a brief to try to stop an execution in the state of texas, and when he became aware of the condition of freddie mac, why didn't he pull an andrew jackson? >> guest: well, he does refer to, you know, fannie may and freddie mac. he was imploring the house essentially to act on the issue and deal with banking reform. i don't recall anything about the execution in the book because he tacks very little about his time in texas. >> host: right, to let you know, we have a few minutes left. what we haven't talked about that you wanted to bring up from the book, so if you think about that for a minute as we take this last call from san jose, california. go ahead, patrick. >> caller: i want to thank you for being there, c-span. it is a service to the american people to educate them and to make them informed on these matters of great importance such as the lives of pre

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and president clinton said meaning what? he said meaning 1 million south korean lives and a trillion dollars from the economy because of the destruction. so those were the stakes. they were pretty terrible stakes. that clinton had kind of backed himself into a corporate it was going to be a series of ratcheted up restrictions on north korea, and north korea's response had been to turn seoul and south korea into a sea of sliced turkey probably remember that phrase. so both sides were kind of ratcheting up into the conflict neither side seemed to have a way to pull back from. it was just at that point that former president jimmy carter decided he had better step in. and he took advantage of the fact for the previous three years he had an invitation from the north koreans every year to come to their country. and so he went, and within 24 hours, had been able to negotiate a stand down on that side. back at the white house with clinton and his immediate people, discussing was the next up is going to be. carter called from north k

they were in the clinton administration as tricks editors of the clinton policy of really creating jobs in the most aggressive way possible. i am not -- i don't know if that works and this era as well. we had an electronic bubble of the time. but this administration has not seemed to be as focused on finding hold the avenues of the operation and perhaps penalizing -- finding a whole new avenues of job creation and perhaps penalizing industries that send jobs abroad. >> he is a very smart guidy with what the election was about. he pretends it was a message about being bipartisan and working together. he understands it was a repudiation of the shift to the left. this is a strong signal of the repositioning. bill daley is the guy who shepherded nafta up through, which is anathema to the union supporters of obama. he publicly opposed financial reform. in 2009, he criticized the administration for its low for a shift. he is a guy who represents exactly the kind of ideological could take that obama understands -- the ideological critique that obama understands it is what harm to them in novem

he does not amount to the way clinton does. -- does not emote the way clinton does good to the degree he connects to the american people, he sets out to do that at an intellectual level. he is compassionate. if you look at polls, people believe he is compassionate, and they believe he is smart and has good intentions. i think that is to obama is and that is how he will connect, and not as that emotional -- not at that emotional level that reagan and clinton could evoke. >> nina? >> there was only one moment in the speech were in use of personal emotion, when he started to talk about christina green. you could see him pull himself together. but he is a publicly dispassionate person. i don't think it is going to change. >> i don't see him that way, i know a lot of people don't see him that way. i see him in crowds and see crowds respond to him. it depends, i guess, on where you are. i see him just inside people and connect with people in a way -- excite people and attacked with people in a way that even reagan did, initially -- connect with people no way that not even reagan did, initia

it's months well or clinton of course as you know bringing up as i remember famously she was like oh we don't want blackwater the mercenaries on the american payroll and commit you know extraordinary rendition and exacerbations overseas on behalf of our corporate clients we don't want them anymore and then when she is secretary of state of course she's got a right there and that's why they call like monsanto of course turns out to blackwater and of course are being sold and turned over there on the payroll of these corporation me. kept her on the payroll months until they can call him. blackwater one of the mercenary do sure is and say hey hey killers over there are you working for us extra legally outside of all the rule of law go assassinate these people on. being force fed monsanto safe like ducks in a flood wall farm just go home just go we don't care we don't really know i mean america's becoming the sas nation crazed you know big porky monsanto fed crackhead country of slopping pigs nightmare is no. place badgers rodeo judges it's big just fill in your own hatch to the thought

and the same might be said about clinton's speech after the oklahoma city bombing. so it's a moment for a president to really in some ways reiterate the core moral values of the country even as he seeks to bind up the wounds, as abraham lincoln said. >> lehrer: and there is an assumption, michael, that there are core values, no matter their politics that everybody agrees with. >> one of them is you don't shoot members of congress and anyone who doesn't agree with that doesn't deserve to be in this country at all. so there really are. and the sweet thing is we're living in this poisonous time, everyone seems to be cynical. there's still something in america that causes them-- even if it's a president didn't vote for-- to listen to what a president says and say how does he see this? what will he tell us about what this means? >> lehrer: ellen, las vegas a small discordant note sounded in tom bearden's piece of the woman in tucson who said "well, i wish he wouldn'tn't come." meaning obama. "i wish he wouldn't come because it brings negative attention to the event becau

sperling held the same job under bill clinton. question, is this high-volume staff turnover typical for a presidency not yet two years old, eleanor? >> this is not very high volume turnover. in fact, most of these people are just changing seats. the only outsider really is bill daley, and he's a chicagoan. so there is a cultural affinity. i think these moves are good. i first met gene sperling in the '92 clinton campaign. he used to sleep in his clothes with the lights 0p and alarm clock next to his bed and one across the room. he was only getting two or three hours of sleep a night. he is a real workaholic, a real straight shooting guy and helped craft the tax compromise before the holidays. apparently that's what won him over in obama's eyes. this president is resigning his -- redesigning his staff, i think in a positive way, and all of the talk about shake-up, i think helps him. i think the political system demands a shake-up. >> he's also adjusting -- >> and daley is a good emissary to the business community. >> he's more than