you took the fbi's way out? >> i took my way out. >> reporter: at the time, they said chulpayev was one of the most important witnesses ever against the russian mob. >> see the wording? >> reporter: despite his tattoo, the fbi informant says he does have one regret. given your background, did it bother you to be known as a snitch, as a rat? >> of course, still bothers me. >> reporter: but you are. but it worked, after his testimony he was set free, moved to atlanta, promised protection by the fbi. that was 2002. >> who was the atlanta man hiding these stolen cars? >> reporter: years later he was back to criminal ways, caught in a luxury stolen car ring, operating in georgia, south carolina, ohio. he was arrested, convicted, served less than three years because he agreed to testify against others in the stolen car ring. >> reporter: how many strikes do you deserve? >> one strike. >> reporter: you got one strike then a second strike. >> okay, so i got lucky. >> reporter: that was 2005. fast forward to this year, a

the same is required of the fbi. the constantly changing landscape of criminal activity at home and abroad has challenged the bureau's ability to respond to emerging threats. in recent years we've seen threats arise in the areas of home mortgages, financial fraud, cybersecurity and, of course, terrorism. but it won't stop their big i believe that new, unimagined threats will challenge the fbi and all of us in the future. to remain effective i believe it's imperative that the bureau had the inherent capability to retool and refocused to address these threats. without a plan to address these threats, the fbi will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis, whic s want to happen. in the past the bureau has received additional resources from congress precisely because it has not been agile enough to refocus its efforts internally. th effectivew to address such pressing issues. the fbi request for 2014 is, madam chairman says $8.3 billion. director mueller, while the budget request targets a number of new initiatives and mai

we in the fbi cannot merely react to computer intrusions. hackers will seek to exploit every vulnerability, and we must be able to anticipate their moves. i share one example which he appeared in april, the fbi brought down an international network of fibers-infected computers controlled remotely by an attacker. the bureau took control of 5 servers the hackers had used to effect some 200 computers with malware, which allowed them to steal personal and financial information by recording user keystrokes. we not only shut down the servers, we took another unprecedented step. with court approval, the fbi responded to signals sent from infected computers in the united states. we sent those computers a command that stopped teh malw -- stopped the malware. you will see the surveying today's threats is somewhat like peering into a kaleidoscope with even the slightest rotation presents new patterns of color and light and just when it seems you understand a threat, the world turns and the threat has changed. as tom friedman has described in his book,

with lying to the fbi. they weren't. so, bottom line, as i said, if the facts are alleged, it's hard to defend what these kids did. it's clear that they went to that apartment because they thought their friend might have been the boston marathon bomber and they were trying to protect him. and given the enormity of the crime, it's impossible to defend that, but was this part of some larger plot? were they acting on direction from tsarnaev? were they trying to conceal a larger conspiracy here? it's hard to square that with the facts as alleged in this complaint. >> absolutely. the point worth underlying here, there's no indication they had any advanced notice of the bombing, that they were in on the plot in any way, other than what they did when they found out about it. michael isikoff live from boston tonight for us, mike, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you. >>> joining us now is philip mudd. he's former deputy director of the cia's counterterrorism center and the f

if the fbi did not address the priorities, they often would not be addressed. transnational, international organized crime because organized crime cuts across various jurisdictions and became the third criminal priority. white collar crime. that is number four. five was violent crime. you will see left off that list are a number of things, including the drug cases we have traditionally done previously. but when we say priority, we meant priority. you have to address priorities in order. i moved almost 2000 agents from the criminal programs to counter terrorism and national security because that was the priority. we have, since september 11, then run according to a set of priorities that we continuously review, but precludes us from doing things we have traditionally done, we all enjoyed doing, but is not as necessary as the priorities we have identified, and we were fairly rigorous when it comes to budget, when it comes to personnel. we adhere to those priorities. in a tighter budget, those are the things that save you because you go down the priorities and are

>> well, i think the fbi was on to these guys very quickly. and they may not have had the full and complete story from them and not understood fully and completely what had happened, but they're detained that saturday, april 23rd, on immigration violations over student -- violations of student visa. this is a sort of standard fbi technique in terrorism investigations. use whatever laws are out there to detain suspects you might have suspicions about. it was during that time they had unlimited access to them. they would have been able to question them and they were able to compile the statements that are reflected in this affidavit. >> michael, thank you so numuch for your help this hour. >>> we'll be back with a final word after this. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly any airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act. wanna play dodge rock? oh, you guys! and with double miles you can actually use, you never miss the fun. beard growing contest and go! ♪

he is now in the custody of fbi and i.c.e. wolf. >> i'm sure we'll be getting more details in the next few hours on the specific charges that we have there. was he in fact though -- do we know for sure he was an engineering student? and did he have any connection at all with m.i.t.? or did he just make that up? >> we've reached out to m.i.t. to find out specifically if he did have any sort of connection to the school, but so far we've been unsuccessful at reaching anybody in the registration department. -- the registrar's office i should say. we're still reaching out. again, it was the fact he listed that on his facebook page that really gave a sort of urgency to get him in for questioning. remember, these guys have been in for questioning for many, many days following the capture of the tsarnaev brothers -- or the death of one and capture of the other. they've been on the radar for a long time, but now clearly federal agents have enough to charge them with in connection with this. also, the only thing i want to mention as wel

>> the fbi. they were very quick to identify who the individual was the was killed in the shootout. >> this is going on so many levels. the area i think is worth pursuing, which was mentioned here, is the message is received from russia. i'm curious about people's thoughts. i do not think there is anyone who would have an answer, but when the fbi tried to get more information, if they were so interested in this person, when the fbi tried to get more information, they did not give them any. there is such a history of mistrust, but there is such an opportunity for mutual benefit for both countries security. but it is clear that the insurgents in the region are now focusing not only on russia but western europe and the u.s. now. communication is going to be so important. either the professor or perhaps senator lieberman can shed some light on how we can better improve communication when it so in our benefit to do that? >> thank you, congressmen. i think you are onto something important. you know par

the fbi releasing photos of three men who may have been involved. the identities of the men, from the grainy surveillance photos are unknown. and the bureau is asking for the public's help in identifying them. they may have information on the raid. and some foe cos, the men appear to be carrying weapons. the fbi has not said if the men are suspects in the attacks that left four american personnel dead. secretary of state john kerry said the fbi is building cases on a number of persons of interest. u.s. officials believe at the time, this man was not a principal plotter. it's not clear what role, if any, he played. >>> last week, house republicans issued a report saying the white house has been, quote, deliberately misleading, in its response to what happened that night. >>> with new efforts to save gun reform in congress, one of the original bill's authors is speak about the political climate that killed the background checks. pat toomey said many of his republican colleagues voted no, because they didn't want to give the president a political victo

it's not a complete dump by the fbi. the fbi, you almost have to believe, knows a lot more, has spent countless hours with these -- with these three individuals. and gotten a lot more out of them than is outlined in the complaint. >> i should say, mike, that these three individuals are at this moment in the mockly courthouse right now in boston. dan borjino, what would prompt these individuals to lie to federal investigators in the first instance if they were not involved in hiding some kind of evidence? why would an individual interviewed by the fbi tell untruths and then eventually tell the truth? >> well, fear. you know, martin, having done these investigations and been on the other side of the interview table, there's a lot of power in having someone behind a desk under those interview lights, knowing that they're facing federal jail time and having their lawyer likely tell them, you know, the same. you know, it's not like the movies. michael just pointed something out, too, as well, that i think is very important in

and right now the fbi, honestly, has a really big mess on its hands, so maybe it is good that the fbi is about to get somebody new in charge for the first time in 12 years. the mess right now is about the boston bombing. and the fbi's mess here is not just about the bombing itself. it's not just that they apparently closed their file on one of the two suspected bombers and then lost track of him before the bombing. the mess for the fbi here is also now about this. this is another young chechen man who was reportedly not linked himself to the bombing or to radical ideology of any kind, but he did know the older of the two boston bombing suspects when he lived for a time and practiced mixed martial arts at the same gym as one of the suspects in boston. after the boston bombing, this young man, ibrajim todashev was questioned multiple times about his ties to the bombing suspect. last week while being questioned again in florida, something went very, very wrong and he ended up dead. law enforcement including fbi agents were questioning him in his home in orlando last wednesday when someth

look, the fbi is a great agency but mistakes were made here. it's in everybody's interest most of all the fbi's to go back and fix what went wrong in this case. >> in fact, attorney general michael mukasey recently wrote there have been five individuals questioned by the fbi who after they were questioned went on to commit terrorist attacks and nadal hasan is one of them. obviously tamerlan tsarnaev is another. when you testified before this hearing, what is the main message you hope to convey? >> well, i've just been asked to testify, jake, so i want to know what the committee and house twoont hear. i am honored to be called to testify. the main message is we're a lot safer than we were on 9/11 because of all that we've done since then. the kind of attack that occurred in -- at the boston marathon is the kind a lot of us had nightmares about. we stopped a lot of terrorist attacks with tremendous help from the fbi, from the department of homeland security, from the cia. this one got through. and we just have to go back and in a very undefensive

if they lied to the fbi while fbi was conducting this investigation, that's lying to a federal official, 18 -- 2001. that's another violation. megyn, they could pile up a bunch of these thidges at this point. >> megyn: are both of these a felony? >> yes, both are felonies. obstruction of justice carries a five year penalty. goes up to 8 with terrorism acts. which, of course, which would be. obstruction of justice carries a four year penalty. >> what do you have to prove in order to prove obstruction of justice? do you have to prove they knew dzhokhar was suspected of the bombing and then they disposed of evidence or did something to cover it up? >> exactly. that's why the obstruction and false statements go together. because, when you obstruct, then you lie about it. so, did they knowingly go -- was it just they bumbled out let's go fix a computer? i don't think so. i think they were probably told, go in and get these computers out of there. that's obstruction. >> megyn: legally, do the feds have to prove that these guys janchts let me finish. >> okay. >> megyn: these guys disposed of e

he is getting very excited and at that point* the fbi had this thing but derek didn't have money and they needed to have more than talking so they needed him to acquire weapons and the informant says i know an arms dealer who can sell grenades and they don't have money but if you to the stereo speakers he would take an and how the trade. i am pretty sure no stereo speakers should be taken for grenades. [laughter] but in the park was the arms dealer he hands them over and age it hands over five grenades and then the agents rushing in and arrest them in charge with conspiracy and of weapons of mass destruction and is serving 25 years but if anything he is a danger to himself and not other people but during the sting operation if not for you i probably would have ended up stabbing somebody with a steak knife. that shows he was capable of a minor crime but to the elaborate sting operation the government could say here it is another terrorist caught or plot flailed. >> you are a journalist not the historian of you to talk to the actual people to find out what they were thinking in this pr

it's not as if the fbi did nothing. they not only investigated the older brother, they interviewed the older brother. >> reporter: and for the first time we're hearing tamerlan talk, introducing himself in this boxing video that aired on "entertainment tonight." >> are you excited? >> yes. why not? you know. >> reporter: meanwhile tamerlan's widow has given the medical examiner's office consent to release his body to his family. back to that carjacking victim, danny, he says that during the 90 minutes in the car with the two brothers they talked about manhattan, and as it turns out, they had made spontaneous plans to go to new york and set off explosives in times square, according to authorities. so, had danny not escaped and set off a massive manhunt there could have been more lives lost. i asked danny if he feels like a hero. he said no, that he was just trying to save his own life. john? >> pamela, you sat down with the carjacking victim, you said over an hour you spent with him. what was striking to you about what h

the fbi has released some things like they told the fbi that these guys should be watched and the fbi didn't do it you know,what is that? >> i have got to item you that the fbi does incredible work. they are not right all the time and these are really difficult investigations. i will say this. i think that we ought to chase down every single lead that we always can. >> bill: it looks like this has not been handled to the optimum way. would that be fair? >> with respect to giving him miranda, i think you are right. >> bill: and the wife? >> you have got to hunt down the wife and come down with every single lead you possibly can. >> bill: counselor thanks very much. here are the results of our bill o'reilly.com poll. do you believe the u.s. government is doing all it can to protect us from terrorists? about 32,000 of you voted. 92% say no. that is an amazing stat. only 8% believe the feds are protecting us the way they should be. directly ahead. charles krauthammer will weigh in on the president's press conference today and our terrorism discussion. krauthammer is next. i have never enc

eventually recovered by the fbi. complaint significantly does not mention what happened to the laptop. fox news reported on your broadcast tuesday night, based on two sources the brothers' computers were recovered and their memories had not been wiped advance of the attacks. >> shepard: lawyers speaking out this afternoon? >> that's right. the criminal complaint does not allege the suspects were told directly by tsarnaev brothers to help them or to destroy the evidence. it does contain telling details about the case. the two days after the bombings and before the fbi publicly released photos of the suspects. dzhokhar cut his hair in apparent torstd alter his appearance. a month before the bombing he told his friends he knew how to build bombs and today the lawyers for all three suspects addressed the amy's. >> as we have said from the very beginning, he assisted the fbi in this investigation. he is just as shocked and horrified by the violence in boston that took place as the rest of the community is. he has cooperat

the fbi says ibrahim [ indiscernible ] was shot after he initiated a violent confrontation with fbi agents and massachusetts state troopers. >> in the encounter in the apartment, something went wrong. there were shots fired by the fbi agents. he is deceased. and a fairly significant fbi shooting investigation is going on around that. >> reporter: "cbs this morning" senior correspondent john miller says agents had talked with the man in the past and were back with more questions. he says interest in the 27-year- old man was high because he visited tsarnaev in boston and was planning a trip to chechnya. a friend said totishef had no connection to terrorism. >> when the bombing happened, he came the and said i can't believe they did it, you know what i'm saying? >> reporter: he was a former mixed martial arts fighter. he was arrested this month after getting into a fight over a parking space. ines ferre, kpix 5. >> the fbi agent involved in the shooting was taken to the hospital with nonlife- threatening injuries. >>> the san francisco office of the fbi is looking for help in its case against

the fbi says the three became concerned the night the fbi released pictures of the bombing suspects. >> somebody out there knows these individuals as friends, neighbors, co-workers or family members of the suspects. >> reporter: but investigators say instead of calling the fbi with their suspicions, they did something entirely different. court documents say kadyrbayev texted his friend tsarnaev that he looked like one of the suspects and tsarnaev responded "lol" and texted, quote, come to my room and take whatever you want. barely an hour after the fbi released the suspect photos, investigators say the three friends did go to his college dorm room. court documents say that kadyrbayev decided they should take the backpack with the empty fireworks tubes in order to help his friend tsarnaev avoid trouble and knew when he saw the empty fireworks that tsarnaev was involved in the marathon bombing. the next morning the fbi says at the new bedford apartment of the two students from kazakhstan, the three men saw television news reports identifying their friend as one of the bombing suspects.

the fbi is investigating, and emergency workers who came in contact with one of the letters developed some symptoms. the motive may be the mayor's outspoken efforts on gun control. abc's pierre thomas is tracking all the late breaking details. >> reporter: someone who hates new york mayor michael bloomberg, and his stand supporting gun control, has apparently sent him letters laced with the deadly poison ricin. ricin is derived from castor beans and can be deadly if inhaled or ingested. two letters were sent. one addressed to the mayor was detected at a new york mail facility. a second letter was sent to washington. to -- the anonymous letters threatened bloomberg and referenced the gun-control debate. bloomberg has called for background checks and a ban on assault rifles. tonight the mayor reacted. >> in terms of why they've done it, i don't know. the letter, it obviously referred to anti-gun efforts. but there's 12,000 people who are going to get killed this year with guns and 19,000 of more will commit suicide with guns. so far no one in contact with the letters has become seriousl

government really just not tell the fbi until they told the whole world today? was the fbi maybe just playing along with the rest of government in some sort of ruse the government was not admitting the guy was dead? i don't say that in a conspiratorial way, i say that in the way the government has been cagey in taking responsibility for killing people in u.s. counterterrorism efforts around the world. like this, for example, watch for the uncharacteristic use of the passive verb tense here. >> i want to say a few words about some important news. earlier this morning anwar al awlaki, a leader of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, was killed in yemen. the death -- the death of al awlaki is a major blow to al qaeda's most active affiliate. >> the president at an unrelated event there getting interrupted with applause that anwar al awlaki had been killed. that's the specific instructions he use the, al awlaki was killed. he was killed. well, how did that happen? today, a year and a half later in this letter sent to congress the u.s. government admitted, wasn't just

the fbi said the three became concerned the night the fbi released pictures of the bombing suspects. >> somebody knows these individuals as friends, neighbors, co-workers or family members. >> reporter: instead of calling the fbi with their suspicions they did something entirely different. court documents said dias kadyrbayev texted he looked like one of his suspects. barely an hour after the fbi released the suspect photos investigators say the three friends did go to his college dorm room. court documents said dias kadyrbayev decided to take backpack to help his friend avoid trouble. the two foreign students told the fbi that a month before the bombing tsarnaev told them he knew how to make a bomb. >> that was pete williams reporting. >>> this morning airport officials are investigating a runway mishap. the wing of the scandinavian wing clipped. no injuries reported. passengers were booked on other flights. >>> sensational murder trial of jodi arias could be in the hands of a jury. nearly four moves testimony from 36 witnesses concluded late wednesday with attorneys now prepping fo

the former fbi assistant dr. tom fuentes and the former homeland security assistant secretary juliet kayyem. tom fuentes, you know something about these kinds of charges, coverup charges, conspiracy, lying. these are very serious charges. these guys could go to jail for a long time. >> well, they're looking at the -- dias kadyrbayev and azamat tazhayakov are looking at five years and robel phillipos look agate eight years for lying to federal investigators. yes, it is serious because it obstructs the case. it causes the investigators to not have key evidence that they need that might be a link to other people, so the issue of taking things out and throwing them in the dumpster is a pretty critical issue for the investigators. >> you know, juliette, i want to read to you from the criminal complaint filed today in the court. this is the criminal complaint, usa vs. robel phillipos. he is the u.s. citizen. during these interviews, and i'll be precise, it's up on the screen, azamat tazhayakov also informed the fbi age

they're in custody of the fbi. this is obviously a much, much bigger deal if the fbi has decided to bring these formal charges. >> oh, absolutely. and the way that this came down is that the boston police department put out a tweet that three people were in custody. so naturally the initial thought was they're in the custody of the boston police department. but the boston police said, no, they're in the custody of the fbi and we're being referred to federal authorities for more information on the charges. now, those charges as we understand it have not yet been publicly revealed at this time. this is what we're learning about them from our sources. >> has the fbi put out any statement yet? >> not as yet. they are, you know, telling us to hold tight. same thing from the u.s. attorney's office. we'll have to wait and see. that's why we continue to work our sources that we have been talking with continuously throughout and giving us very good information about this investigation, wolf. >> we have confirmed the fbi is

the suspect still on the fbi most wanted list. and the man who told police that he was trying to create a smiley face mask when he put bombs inside mailboxes in five states. all ahead tonight on a second look. >>> good evening and welcome to a second look. and two weeks ago the well- known attorney joined the defense team of dzhokhar tsarnaev. the 19-year-old suspect in the boston marathon bombings. she has helped defend the gunman who severely wounded gabrielle giffords. they plan ain't -- they began planting with several in the bay area. and for nearly two decades, they conducted a massive search to identify the man dubbed the unibomber. it was not until the brother read the manifesto in the newspaper. they were finally able to find the case. and that is because they told authorities that they thought that the brother might be the unibomber. leading to the arrest in 1996. now here are the reports that they will find in the days after the arrest. last june the unibomber mailed their manuscript to the washington post in the new yo

the fbi was not on those pings. of course, the fbi is the one who received the initial tip, did the investigation, would have been the one, presumably we would want to hear from most about this. >> i would like to see the investigation -- i wonder if it's the low man on the toteem poll and we will see more in the days and weeks to come. >> i think we will. there will be a lot of focus on the ping, as janet napolitano called it, going to a single border patrol official who was part of the jttf in boston, responsible for disseminating the information in this joint terrorism task force. that person didn't do that. i am told that person received 200, 300 pings in that eight-hour shift in which the initial ping came. if that's the case, we have to really take a look back and step back and look at the system. >> trying to fixture it. steve, thank you. >> thank you. >> senator john barrasso accuses president barack obama of being ignorant or dishonest. why does the senator say that? that's next. the new clues for a missing

the fbi releases the video, tape and then she's calling her husband. so, again, we know she was working hard. this is a woman who has a charge against her for shoplifting. she has a 3-year-old child she has to worry about what is going to happen to that child. investigato investigators have a lot of leverage in terms of what they may or may not be talking to her about and whether they're trying to get her to cooperate. but, again, you know, you don't have an fbi agent in a room meeting with prosecutors and with the attorneys if, in fact, there is not something that they need to discuss. >> now we know about this conversation which happened after the video. she called him and then did not tell law enforcement. and they're living in a small apartment and they're not sure how she could not be aware. >> whether he went on the trip and away for six months, things would have likely changed. the question is what changed? what conversations was she privy to? did she know anything? if she knew that somebody is speaking about a terror act, you're obligated to re

it is being led by the fbi. the next people, and these were the people that were mentioned that were escorting the woman that is now coming home. these are the victim witness specialists. they're different. they're local fbi agents who have been in this town. they have been interacting with the families of these kidnapped women for ten years. these are the ones that saw it begin, these are the ones that have earned the honor, that's what it would be considered, to now escort this person home and to say, welcome home, this is the start of bringing you back into the world. so two very specialized tasks, two very different groups of people, one local and one brought in for what is a remarkable event. ashleigh? >> martin savidge live outside the justice center in downtown cleveland. and the picture on the right-hand side of your screen, full screen is, it's obvious, welcome home, amanda. amanda's home. amanda berry who has not been in that home. as a child, teenager now or as a young woman in her 20s for a decade. s

you have transformed the fbi. while maintaining a vigorous domestic law enforcement agency, there has been the evolution to deal with the predatory threats. we will listen to your testimony today about what we need to make sure the fbi is the premier federal law enforcement agency in the united states of america and the world. we know there are many eyes on the fbi right now, particularly those related to the boston marathon bombing. all of us at the fbi mourn what happened there. four marylanders were injured, one a 29-year-old preschool teacher. she lost a leg. she has not lost her spirit. she was there with her mother, her sister, and her sister's husband. all the family members suffered some form of entry. every family has got a story. we want to thank those who responded, drove the response, and there was a coordinated law- enforcement effort. i know we will be talking and there will be questions about that, particularly in terms of the authorities the fbi needs to do its job, to be able to prevent such thing

a man shot and killed today by fbi agents. a soldier hacked to death with what appeared to be a meat cleever in broad daylight on the street. we're going to show you the suspect's alleged confessions to camera before the police came. let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, could the children have been saved? seven kids who died at their school today we learned were crushed by tornado debris. the question is would they be alive if that school had a storm shelter? >> they didn't have anywhere to go other than an interior room. >> could the city, the state, or the federal government have done something to prevent the magnitude of this tragedy? those are key questions as president obama prepares to visit the storm ravaged area sunday. today secretary of homeland security janet napolitano was there. the death toll stands at 24 from the tornado. john king is in moore, oklahoma, tonight where he got a tour of the rubble left behind plaza towers elementary school. john, that key question,

the fbi became the fbi in 1935. in all of those years that has existed, in all of that time, you want to know how many people have had the job of running the fbi? six. six guys in total have ever had the job of running that agency in nearly 80 years. we've had lots and lots and lots more presidents than that since then, but only six fbi directors, and that is mostly because j. edgar hoover was in charge of the fbi for almost 50 of those years. after j. edgar hoover was there for half a century and the congress decided in its wisdom that maybe fbi directors should have term limits, so they are term limited to ten years, ten years. ten years, that's still a really long time, right? in our government, nobody has a ten-year term. that's a really long time for anybody to be in office. and even with that incredibly and unusually long term that fbi directors can stay in office now, for the current director of the fbi, congress decided that they were going to stretch it even further than ten years for him. robert muller was

the fbi and urged him to commit suicide. for her to suggest that the fbi is just and right sort of overlooks the historical problems with doing exactly that for anyone in a position of power with no judicial oversight. >> what about the companies that are approached by the government to participate or facilitate the surveillance? the degree of opposition they are mounting, if at all? has there been any qualitative change since the obama administration came in compared to the bush administration? >> first of all, i do not think any of them opposed it. they would approach it by saying, you would be patriotic if you support us. because they were told it was legal, too. then of course they had to be given retroactive immunity for the kinds -- crimes they were committing. presidentobama and bush. it started with president bush. >> the differences in the administrations? >> the surveillance has increased, in fact. that they have assembled on the order of 20 trillion transactions about u.s. citizen with other u.s. citizens. >> and

that really started the fbi. it's one of the reasons it's an existence in that focus of dealing with you now crime in the 20s and 30s. do you think we have this kind of focus now ms. durkan? >> i describe it as the buggy. it is changed so much where crime on the street has gone on line. we have more violent crime and targets, victims are being targeted on targeted on line and we are addressing that threat but we still have a great threat we have to address on the streets which we are doing. it is a time where we have to allocate and realign ourselves. we need to do more and with the help of this committee in congress -- >> we need changes in our laws to make it more effective. >> yes and i think we have proposed some changes and i think there are other changes that senators have proposed in congress when they're working with them and their staff to make sure we address it. >> in the 20s and 30s we fundamentally changed the role of the government's involvement in crimes committed across state lines and billy creat

according to the fbi, tsarnaev texted back, lol. and then, such things as you better not text me and come to my room and take whatever you want. which the fbi says, one of the friends, interpreted as, jokes. >> thank you for the details. we will see what more o we learn when the initial appearance as you point out takes place. we expecting that around 3:00 p.m. thank you, pete. we'll be right back. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. keep you yard your own with your choice lawn insect controls, just $8.88. investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars on their 401(k) to hidden fees. is that what you're looking for, like a hidden fee in your giant mom bag? maybe i have them... oh that's right i don't because i rolled my account over to e-trade where... woah. okay... they don't have hidden fees...

-- the fbi puts it -- the fbi puts it very squarely. they say right then and there, the students decided that tsarnaev must have been involved and they were going to hide this information to help him. of course, his lawyers, as i mentioned, denied that that was their motive. >> what's interesting is something you said earlier. i heard this morning. later this afternoon, rather. the third suspect who's charged basically with not giving honest testimony to the federal authorities, he might face a larger penalty. maybe it's an eight year term rather than a five year because that's considered more serious, dishonest testimony in an interview, than hiding evidence? that seems odd. >> it's -- it's obstruction of justice. that's a five year max. lying to federal agents carries an eight year max. you know, there are strange reasons why the penalties are the way they are. >> yeah. >> and i don't know, as i say, whether down the road here, this is just the very beginning of a long process for these three, whether the fbi will file additional char

what can the fbi one person do to help? the fbi has been compromised by finsbury groups. indeed two thirds of the preachers are first adapted by a third party. if we do what we can to have the detection could be the dod, intel community. i've seen communications from the fbi. the fbi notifies quicker we can of lemonade impacts and consequences of breaches. a private industry will not always win the battle speed five, if we should nation, what you will see is limit the impact of the breaches, limit the consequences and share the information and law enforcement can do that. by establishing a system where they share proactively uses that information, america will put a cyberdefense that is dynamic. no one is getting smarter for these preachers today. thank you for the opportunity to share with you. >> our next witness is stewart baker appeared from 2005 to 2000 is the first assistant secretary for policy at in the early stages of the department for homeland security. as an intelligence lawyer, mr. baker has been general counsel to the security agency and general counsel to i

the fbi has been suspicious of the friend since the day of the manhunt when s.w.a.t. teams raided the college campus and agents took two of them into custody on immigration charges. those two, both from kazakhstan, azamat tazhayakov and dias kadyrbayev, traveled with the suspect tsarnaev last year and proudly posing if thr photograph. >> dias kadyrbayev denies the charges. he helped in the investigation. >> a third person charged, a u.s. citizen, robel ful phil had been friends with tsarnaev since high school. he appeared to be an articulate, intelligent young man. >> the idiosyncrasies of ten years of rigorous work. >> reporter: but agents say dzhokhar's friends recognized him immediately when the surveillance photos were made public. >> we consider them to be armed and extremely dangerous. >> and decided top him by getting rid of potential evidence. >> reporter: t . >> the government allegations that he saw him and recognized him immediately, we dispute. we look forward to prove og our case in court. but the fbi tested jo har and asked him if he was the bomber. lol,

the fbi was not on those pings. of course, the fbi is the one who received the initial tip, did the investigation, would have been the ones presumably who we would want to hear from the most. >> i wonder if it's the low man on the totem pole gets sent out to track down people. and how serious the initial investigation was. i assume we will get that in the days and weeks to come. >> i think we will. there is likely to be a lot of focus on the ping, as janet napolitano called it, going to a single border patrol official up in boston who was then responsible for disseminating the information throughout the joint terrorism task force. and that person didn't do that. but i'm told that that person received some 200, 300 pings in that 8-hour shift, and was the initial ping king. if that's the case we have to look back at the system. >> and try to fix that. steve, thank you. >> thank you. >> straight ahead, senator barrasso is here. and new clues in the search for a missing mother. you will hear the 911 call that set off th

and at some point after that, he grabs a knife, according to the fbi, lunges at the fbi agent who then shoots and kills him. now one of his friends says that the fbi had been following both of them for quite a while. >> he used to talk to them, right? last time he had a connection with the guy was a month ago. he just spoke on the phone. after that, he never spoke to him, right? and when the bombing happened, he actually came to me the next day and say can't believe it. i can't believe they did it. and fbi started following him and questioning him and asking him questions. like what kind of connection do you have with them? they were trying to make a connection between them. there's no connection. >> now the older of the boston bombing suspects who is now dead and this man had a relationship that went back some time. now they both came from the same region in chechnya and the man lived in boston two years ago and both tsarnaev and his friend went to the same mma studio and were friendly in boston at that studio, the mixed martial arts studio. and when the fbi looked at his phone, he ha