you're telling me when i walk outside of the school. it's like a leader tenant when you look at one of the tenants, how much time they spend in the culture they create. >> one thing you talked about is this hard notion you have what teachers are supposed to be by growth in how you measure it. you talk in the book about how you can tell who the teacher is because there is growth. what is that kid is that could liken june? when you talk about the school systems that have these five keys is it measurable? it's not like summerhill where everybody does what they feel like doing. you have a clear notion of people coming to this country. they can afford to have a lot of going on in the school. it's pretty hard. this kirkland and you're talking about. >> i think your passion for the jesuits and the catholic schools and a version of the culture conversation. >> we used to recite, the annan smack would have us for site the partridge in a pear tree and we would add to it every day coming back for much time. we would study for an hour. we would study every lesson we had up until then reciting it.
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