nevada. he has been grazing his cattle on federal land. when the federal government came to seize his cattle, his friends came to his aid heavily armed. it has fueled questions in other states and other contexts. does the federal government have any justification for owning and managing the land in nevada or is the federal government guarantor of federal land. we'll start with background. nevada cattle rancher cliven bundy said it's his right to graze his cattle on any land he chooses. and his story has gained national attention. officials at the u.s. bureau of land management in nevada say bundy has been running hundreds of cat until a federally protected wildlife area and for years has refused to pay the fees required to do so. the blm is seeking more than $1 million in back fees and fines from bundy, and when he refused to pay the government began rounding up his cattle to confiscate them. a band of armed men rallied to bundy's side and in the stand off that ensued bundy's son was tased by officers. the blm fearing a violent confrontation backed down. >> get off our land, perio

. on the fourth of july in 1995, a county commissioner in nigh county, nevada, which is here in southern nevada, nye county, a county commissioner in nye county decided to celebrate independence day by declaring that nye county, nevada, was independent of the united states of america. he got into a bulldozer and he drove that bulldozer over to some federally owned land in nye county, it was part of a national forest, and he used the bulldozer to bust through that closed road in that national forest. he claimed that all federal land was under his control, because the federal government had no authority in little nye county, nevada. >> nbc news in depth tonight. more on the fight over the role in the federal west, it's an all-out brawl called the sage brush rebellion. on one side, the federal government. on the other, some land owners and some local governments and the battle is threatening to turn very ugly. nbc's roger o'neil tonight has the first part of our in-depth report. >> reporter: in the land of wide open spaces, there's a new land war. the federal government owns almost

between this nevada rancher and the federal government. and just a short time ago, rancher bundy and his supporters vowing to keep up their fight. >> allow a central government to have this much power over us? now, who have we elected to protect their life, liberty and property in the state of nevada? who did we elect? >> harry reid. >> harry reid. no we didn't elect harry reid. take care of the federal government's problems. we elected a governor of the state of nevada. now the governor of the state of nevada -- if i was the governor, do you know what i would say? what would i say? >> get out of here. >> yeah, get the hell out of here federal government. you have no jurisdiction. [cheers and applause] bundy for governor. >> now, do you want what i say to the sheriff if i was the sheriff? i would say get out from underneath the table, sheriff, and come out here and protect them, our property and our life and our liberty. get out from under the table, sheriff, and get out here. we are in park county, nevada. >> and rancher cliven bundy insisting the standoff is about a lot more than cattl

right to a sleeping baby's crip. you have to see what happens next. first, a nevada rancher is not backing down. his war with the federal government is far from over. ♪ >> meet cliven bundy, cattle rancher and range warrior. >> range war is all i can say. >> bundy is the last cattle rancher in southern nevada. and now he is at the center of a political firestorm. >> an american counsel taking on the federal government. nevada rancher cliven bundy threatening to launch a range war after the government sent snipers and helicopters to seize his cattle. >> meet the government than $1 million inbundy unpaid grazing fees and taking drastic measures to get him to pay. using helicopters to round up cattle, sending in heavily armed agents. [dogs barking] >> attack dogs, even using a stun gun on amonday bundy, cliven's son. meet gillespie. bundy supporters calling on him to disarm the federal agents. saying the federal government has gone too far. >> sheriff gillespie needs to go down and tell the bureau of land management to leave. >> but the sheriff refusing to take action so hundreds of

nevada over the weekend, and the federal government blinked. just another reminder that whether or not the law is enforced depends on who you are and whether or not you have the right wing media on your side. >> battle of big government versus the rancher. >> it's big government versus the rancher and mr. bundy is not backing down. >> when push comes to the shove when it comes to the constitution, folks aren't going to back down. >> i'll be honest, we saw what happened at waco, i'm concerned. >> right now the biggest story in the right-wing media is the face-off between federal agents and this man, nevada rancher cliven bundy. >> america better wake up if we're going to live in this country with any kind of freedom and liberty. >> mr. bundy owns around 500 head of cattle. they've grazed on this plot of land in southern nevada for decades. but bundy doesn't own the land. the federal government does. and in order to graze cattle on federal land, you have to pay land use fees. bundy stopped paying those fees in 1993. he now owes the government over $1 million. you see, bundy doesn't t

battle against nevada rancher cliven bundy. in just a moment, cliven and his two sons will join us for their first exclusive interview. first, the government surrendered after tensions escalated in the week-long stand off between bundy, family supporters and agents. the burro of land management released the 400 cattle seized and removed the heavily-armed agents. our producers were on the scene all weekend long as these tense and sometimes confusing events were unfolding. let's take you through the exclusive hannity video. >> we will not give up our land. the government needs to go away! >> the government is taking our freedom, and we have to stand up and fight for it. that's what these good people are doing here. >> my family and the community has run these hills and enjoyed these hills for generations, never once in the history of this nation have those mown tuns ever been restricted from us and yet, this week they were. >> good morning. cliven, my purpose out here this morning is to continue from my standpoint to keep a very emotional issue safe. the blm is going to seize this op

and nervous tonight. but first the 68-year-old nevada cattle rancher who spent the last 20 years breaking federal law, his ranch is in bunkerville, nevada. about 80 miles northeast of las vegas. since 1993, he's allowed his cat toll graze on protected land. and he has refused to pay grazing fees. why? >> i think this is a solemn state of nevada. and i'm a citizen and we operate within this state. we run cattle here, graze this naturally off this public land, and i abide by all of nevada state laws. but i don't recognize the united states government as even existing. >> yep, he doesn't think the u.s. government exists. he doesn't recognize the u.s. government. earlier this month, the federal forces tried to confiscate his catt cattle. nearly 16,000 ranchers pay grazing fees. but bundy, he thinks he's above the law. so clearly this guy is extreme and clearly he could be a problem. but to an extreme right wing obsessed with attacking the government and calling president obama a dictator, glooif bundy was just too ir reist cystable. so they went in whole hog. senator rand paul suppor

starting at 7:00 eastern tomorrow morning. right now, from this morning, conversation about the nevada ranchers and off with doug bureau of land -- with doug bureau of land management. host: good morning. we want to talk about this gentleman, cliven bundy, and his ranch in nevada. guest: he is the new most famous person from the state. he is a 68-year-old rancher. he has been grazing his cattle in an area that the government wants him to stop. his family has been doing this since the 1870's. the federal government has no jurisdiction to tell him to stop. this all resolved in the last week in an armed standoff. the blm tried to forcibly remove his cattle. then a bunch of militia members came in and the blm stood down. so the question is, legally, what will happen? the federal government does not want to get into a firefight. this has been going on for 20 years. will he, won't he? maybe the cattle will be taken away. host: this is a reference to the bureau of land management. you moved west of the mississippi. in nevada, 80% of the land is under federal control. guest: 87%, depending on

. >> how? >> this is a sovereign state. sovereign state of nevada. >> every state is a sovereign state. >> the federal government has nothing to do with public land here in nevada. the united states government has nothing to do. very limited, maybe something to do with, like, ellis air force base, maybe lake meade recreation office buildings. them are the two things they purchased from nevada under the constitution. nevada is a sovereign state. the land within this state belongs to the state of nevada, not the united states. you've got to understand that. the constitution does not allow -- this is a sovereign state of nevada. >> mr. bundy, every state with a sovereign state within the united states of america. >> this is a jurisdiction question, who has ownership of this land. >> there is no jurisdiction question. >> is it the state of nevada or the united states? >> i'm telling you there is no legitimate issue there. the bureau of land management was founded in 1946, and they never owned that land. it was always federal. because of the taylor act in the '30s, they would have had to pa

bundy fox news-hyped nevada ranch standoff recently when he said that he and the militia members flocking to nevada to fight the federal government alongside that rancher, they might try to use their wives and daughters as human shields once the shooting started. >> we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. if they're going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers. >> you see what it says on his hat there? see? cspoa. that's his group. the constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association. you go to their website, it tells you about power-hungry government officials backed by people with hidden agendas have convinced us to sacrifice our freedoms bit by bit. and with every change they gain a little more power, a little more control. but what does this have to do with us, the constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association? well, this. the county sheriff, he says, is the line in the sand. the county sheriff is the one who can say to the feds beyond

hails from nevada says it's not over. >> well you know, about the only thing can i say to harry is he don't want law breakers but what about does he not want food producers? you know, somebody has to need this nation besides harry. i don't know that he's been needing us too good. what i have to say to harry, we the people of nevada elected harry to go back and serve as a senator in the united states congress. we're not in the united states as a senator. harry get back there and take care of your job and your job would probably be something to do with foreign nations. and don't be coming out here where your armies and pointing guns that we, the citizens of clark county, nevada. >> and certainly that did happen. there were some tense armed confrontations there. and the federal government at least for now as i've said they've given up on seizing your cattle which had become a major operation. what do you think is going to happen now? >> well, i've got a handful of certified letters from the united states government, las vegas blm. i haven't opened them. i'm assuming they got their lawyer

peaceful resolution of the stand off. back tonight, the man in the middle. nevada rancher, cliven bundy who is kind enough to give our producer as tour of the property in question today and he's joined by his son aman. you were tazed three times, as well, right? >> that's correct. all right -- >> can you hear me, sean? >> i can hear you fine. can you hear me? >> good. >> the worse words in the english language, can you hear me now? let's go back. let's start at the present moment. we got, what, 200 agents, cliven, surrounding you ranch at this present moment and taking your cattle more and more every day. is that where we are at this moment? >> yes, that's where you're at. there are at least 200 armed agents and they are with high-powered telescopes and snipers and in other words, full dress of armor, and they are out here, you know, hassling us people, we the people of nevada. >> all right. so let me make sure. so you got all these agents, you have, what, 500 head of cattle and taken close to 300 of them by now? >> yes, that's about the number i understand. they got a lot of them and t

drones fail, what happens when they fall to the ground or crash into something? are places in nevada and north dakota, each of which is designed to do different tests. one in nevada is going to be looking at air-traffic control and what drones will mean for air traffic controllers. decoders test site will be looking at data links that connect drones to the ground operators. they will be testing the security of that link. each of the six test sites will be performing a slightly different function, although all of them will be interested in looking at safety very closely. host: we talked about the nevada test sites. that was announced at the end of last year. the state of nevada has its test site up air. after that was announced, dean heller, a senator from nevada, was at a hearing featuring the faa administrator. he talked about what the specific drone site would mean for the state of nevada. there's a bit of what he had to say from that january hearing. [video clip] this makes perfect sense because we are, nevada is the birthplace of and manned aircraft system industry in this countr

new frontier nevada and idaho and leap from one to the next. citizen spent lavishly on and oysters and imported fashions in furnishings drink seven bottles of champagne. long after they kept the spirit of the city alive. they also sustained a thriving publishing culture. california was crawling with distributors the first generation wrote the story of the gold rush themselves in letters and diaries in the pages of the newspaper they started. of printing press gave out periodicals sjamboks weaving the boredom of the frontier. by the 1860's the city had spawned a litter see a band of outsiders call public fenians. twain joined them to shape the entire current of his life. the first time he comes to san francisco in the spring of 1863 he has been living in virginia city and nevada at the time working and as the journalists. the reason he comes west is to avoid the civil war when it breaks out working on the mississippi is the steamboat pilot. he is out of a job and the other problem is you have a draft agents going door-to-door to press young men into service and he has an opportunity whe

going to nevada? why do you align yourself -- why are you getting into this spated? >> well, thursday on the floor, i had a resolution that talked about some of the problems that were occurring in nevada. i ended up having over 40 senators and house members sign that resolution. they are very passionate and, you know, greta, i have got to be honest with you, we are not fixating on the merits of the case, whether the bundy family is right or wrong, but we're very very concerned about overreach by the federal government. >> overreach in which way in which they are trying now, he they have got helicopters and everything else. the execution of the court order, is that it or is it the timing? what is it exactly? >> well, you know, the first thing that came to mind was they set up these little

dramatic withdrawal by the federal government after meeting armed and determined resistance by nevada rancher bundy, his family, friends, hundreds of supporters from neighboring states. but this is more than a simple story of a western rancher standing up against an abusive power and use of overwhelming force by the federal government. and it certainly is not about the federal government stewardship of western lands and preservation of wildlife on the high desert. in this instance, merely doing what it must to protect a tortoise. one that isn't endangered and one which the u.s. fish and wildlife service has admitted to euthanizing them. the cowboys in freedom won this weekend and overreaching federal bureaucrats were forced to turn tail. what has the most powerful man in the united states senate, however, majority leader harry reid and his son who failed in a bid for the nevada governorship involved themselves in this effort to crush one individual citizen. there are reports tonight chinese energy giant is actively targeting the land in question for solar plant project with roy reads

live pictures from the bundy ranch in nevada about an hour northeast of vegas. it's become ground 0 a struggle between frustrated western land owners and the bureau of land management. there is a growing number of supporters for rancher cliven bundy in an tense standoff. the feds view bundy as an out law of sorts refusing to pay grazing fees. this week, the confrontation turned ugly. bundy's son, tasered. his sister, knocked to the ground the story gets attention, other ranchers and groups are rallying to bundy's cause and meetings like this one held on wednesday. >> so you imagine what happened right now. okay? did god not create the cow? they've got us on the left, right. and then, and then, this is where it gets rough, okay? this is where it goes way the hell beyond. they can throw an army of men around there. literally. with snipers. on people just like you are. men, women and children just like you are. okay they do believe they have a right to be there. you believe you can be there. some day, they're going to throw that army of men around you. and then, somehow if you're like th

actually used to let the cows roam free. >> leave us alone here in nevada. >> we can't have american people that violate the law and just walk away from it. >> get your army out of nevada. get your army away from my ranks. >> these people are waiting for the big federal apocalypse. they're waiting for the big war. >> as far as the bundy family, they're not thinking about backing down. i would argue a little bit that the media coverage that myself and some other people have given to this case played a part in this. >> stand by for more on the cattle battle. >> you've got to believe that something's brewing here, no? >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we're going to start the program with a word that republicans just love to throw around "freeloader." that's right. freeloader. you see the dictionary defines freeloader as a person who is supported by another without making an adequate return. hmm. pretty definitive. isn't it, nevada rancher clive bundy's picture should be next to this word. because he say freeloader and has been for decades. >> bundy, you

have to remember, many of these people, if not most of them are from armed militia from nevada and the rest of the country. the concern here is they may provoke an armed confrontation. remember, the bundy family came out again today asking people to remain peaceful and leave guns at home. some are listening, many are not. 67-year-old bundy believes his life is in danger. he has armed security guards protecting his property. bundy lost his right to graze cattle on this land in 1994 when they designated this area a tortoise has been tate ftor tortoise habit. they say this is about the over reach and abuse of power of government, and today, clivan bundy says he doesn't recognize his own country, listen. >> with the armed soldiers in there, and then i'm wondering, well, where am i? i'm not in afghanistan. i think i'm in nevada but i'm not sure right now. why would these people be here after me? >> reporter: now the burro of land management is holding a conference call right now. we're listening in, megyn. they have been trying to resolve this now for the better part of 20 years but tha

moment bundy will be back. a former nevada sheriff claims his sources inside the federal government say that the bureau of land management may be quietly planning to raid the bundy ranch. now we reached out to the former sheriff for confirmation. he told our team of producers today quote, we have intel sources government, law enforcement insiders that have told us the federal government was considering pulling back, having us think that everything was fine and then when we got comfortable and dropped our defenses then they would come in and raid the ranch. we don't know if it was a specific plan but after hearing harry reid's comments we think they are going to come in for a surprise midnight raid. given that warning could there be another standoff brewing tonight? back with us the rancher himself and his daughter and his son. guys welcome back. there's been a lot of reports about this. what do you make of the sheriff's comments, cliven? >> i really don't know nothing about that. you know, i can say one thing. we had a beautiful moon last night. i thought that thing might be fixed u

himself and hi cause how will this wind down? with us is steven from nevada. and john host of ralston reports. congressman, this is your district. are these your constituents. not all of the militia men are yours but the people in this community certainly are. i wonder we lose sight sometimes by focusing on the militia presence. there is a community here. how has that community been dealing with this? >> well, many people in bunkerville and the surrounding area and in the valley and mesquite feel terrorized by these outside armed militia groups, they are not from our community, they are not from nevada. they are coming here and they actually have set up kind of a military police state where individuals who live in the community have to go through their check point in order to get to their house. we have -- >> you have check points set up from this militia? >> the militia groups set up their own check points so people who live there actually have to go through those check points to get to their home. i met with people who told me their kids can't walk around the corner from their house

protesters in nevada. >> around 400 head of cattle were released for failing to pay grazing fears. >> the grazing fears are minimal. the battle is who owns the land. >> an escalation in what is arguably the biggest east-west crisis. forces. >> pro-russian acts visits seized several buildings. >> russia denies responsibility. >> the asaad government hands over another bass of weapons. >> another gas attack. >> the war is at a turning point, says bashar al-assad. >> parents believe the more involved they are with children's education, the better their kids will perform. true. >> sometimes failures help you to succeed the next time around. rite. >> go figure. >> we begin with tensions heating in ukraine, and the talk of the possibility of civil war. ukraine launched a military provision, taking control. and other buildings seized by pro-russian separatists. troops with vehicles retook an airport in eastern ukraine after a clash with armed gunmen. separatists pushed back, reportedly knocking a ukrainian general's hat off his head. ukrainian war planes threw overhead to slovyansk, whic

fire back. >> it may not surprise you to hear from a kind of talk from a nevada state legislator, you probably never heard until friday night it is something of a game changer when the nevada republican united states senator starts to chime in. >> what senator reid may call domestic terrorists, i call patriots. >> nevada's republican senator dean heller believes the supporters are patriots, he is talking about the hundreds of state rights activists who stood with bundy and against the federal government. the website infowars, run by alex jones, jones is the conspiracy theorist whose stories also make their way from his website infowars, where on any day you can find information about the establishment. alex jones was an advocate for bundy from the beginning. >> he is saying not to have his grazing rights stolen. >> the story made its ways onto fox news airways. next thing you know, they're calling people like these patriots. >> what senator reid may call domestic patriots, i call terrorists. >> but the alex jones is much bigger, take craig brannon, tea party favorite, running for the

party. zero. he is a nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made inappropriate comments about what every republican needs to answer for. that is ridiculous. >> jonathan, what do you make of that? it's not like there were no republicans, no major republicans standing up for this guy and making a huge issue out of this. >> right. here's the thing. the republican party wouldn't have the problem it has with the cliven bundys in its midst if a grown-up had come up at the beginning when the tea party was getting up and running and said what's happening here within our party on the fringes of our party is not right, and we have to do -- we have to speak out about this. i went back because i remembered a "new york times" story from february of 2010, and it was so frightening to me because it talked about how there's a loose alliance of protesters from the far right fringe who were glomming onto the tea party, the legitimate folks who had concerns about the deficit and the economic direction of the country, t

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. >> days into a tense standoff between a nevada rancher and the federal government is turning into a family affair. the bundies verses the reids. where this battle cattle is headed next. >> the dispute between ranger bundy and the federal government over whether or not federal land can be used to raise the private cattle is brewing for decades. the feds blirnged when it boiled over. harry reid is not done with bundy. the senate majority leader says bundy should be taken to court. bundy says the 74-year-old senator should pick on somebody else. >> i have something to say to harry, harry, nevada citizens we the people elected you to go back to the united states senate and take care of the united states senators harry get back there and take care of that work and leave us alone in nevada. >> senator reid has his son rory reid who is supporting the federal government position. bundy has a million bucks in and in fees. rory said believe in a country where we believe in laws and you can't ignore the laws you don't like. state prosecutors look like this more closely they are going to find

. >>> nevada rancher clyven bundy blasting the government for leaving behind a mess. the confrontation ended when the bureau of land management backed down, but fox news cameras captured these scenes of the extensive damage left behind, including these cattle, damaged water pipes, two prize bulls were killed, one of which was shot five times, another while allegedly in a holding pen. the blm also appears to have run over a tort to us -- a tortoise den. even though they said why they were so interested was to save the endangered tortoise which it is not, and the fact is those tortoises have been euthanized by the u.s. fish and wildlife service. >> nowhere in the court order that i saw did it say that they can destroy infrastructure, destroy corrals, tanks, desert environment, shoot cattle. this isn't helping the desert tortoise. in fact, when we were over there you see where they backed over and crushed down a tortoise burrow. how is that conservation? >> the bureau of land management, which is run by senator harry reed's former senior policy advisor, the agency showing no remorse saying they

between a nevada rancher who claimed state's rights, and the federal government. and while two sides have eased back from the brink a bit, the situation is far from settled. our correspondent has the story tonight from bunkerville, nevada. >> the bureau of land management's problems began thursday after this video hit youtube. reaction was swift. self-described patriots and then hundreds of armed militia members came to nevada. >> answering the call of 67-year-old cliven bundy. >> get the hell out of here federal government. >> his family has ranched here since the 1880s. giving him claims that predate the federal authority since 1930s. so in 1994, when blm listed the desert tortoise as endangered and losing his grazing rights, he refused to comply. bundy supporters closed a freeway and attempted to free his cattle from federal holding pens. using three dozen cowboys on horse back, backed up by militia. >> it starts out a well regulated militia for the security of a free state. >> after a 30-minute stand-off, the feds released the cows. >> those calves are ours and they stole t

from new york. i'm chris hayes. the standoff between the nevada rancher and the federal government is not over yet. bundy still refuses to pay the million dollars in grazing fees he owes the federal government and now, after an aborted attempt by the bureau of land management to impound his cattle he tells conspiracy theirie ises while he's not looking for a civil war he is, quote, not in a negotiating mood. >> we're not going to negotiate with big government. we're not going to negotiate with blm. only going to back up and strengthen our county sheriff and hope he does his job. >> the county sheriffs john, according to one di, involved disarming federal agents. on friday i brought you an interview with nevada councilwoman michelle fiore who came on this show to express her solidarity with the bundy family and his supporters. >> do you recognize the authority of the federal government? >> i recognize the authority that they believe they have. i just question it. i'm here with guns and expect the american people not to fire back. >> well, not surprise you to hear that kind of talk f