while nevada goes from 86% to 81%. utah has the same operative language for extinguishing title hood of public lands as north dakota, south dakota, nebraska, louisiana, alabama. they simply have not honored that promise with the states in the west. that's what is happening now. because that have frustration, the complex patchwork that the professor called it is creating environmental and economic urgency throughout the west. you have forest that are sitting as tinderboxes and you have record fire conditions that are killing millions of animals, destroying water shed and habitat for decades. you've got wild horses issues where under their own plans, their own regulations the federal government is showed to limit the wild horse population in a particular southern utah area 300 wild horses yet there are 2,000 wild horse there is, and their population is doubling every four to five years. destroying the ecosystem, and their solution because they don't have the money is to reduce cattle grazing by 50%. what is happening now

government didn't really exist in nevada. but, now, these same guys are back and they're demanding that the local sheriff go do that again, within the hour! that the local sheriff go take county machines and disarm federal officials and arrest any federal officials, officials from the federal government, that have trespassed in nevada, which though these guys is not part of the united states. and if you are flashing back to the mid-'90s and looking at this stuff, it's not just because of the demanding the bulldozer, right? it's not just because of the bulldozer references, it may also be because when you heard that sheriff there being yelled at by that local rancher, that he needed to go bulldoze federal properties and he needed to go disarm federal agents, you see those guys standing in front of them, standing in front of the stage there, facing away from them, right, while he's making these claims. these sort of fake military guys standing in front of the stage, standing in front of the guy who does not recognize the existe

, his issue is that the federal government has no business controlling 86% of the land in nevada. that is his beef. he says i'll gladly pay clark county and the state but not about to pay the federal government. >> it's a protest movement. it sounds like what you're saying and what i've seen just as a lawyer reading documents is that legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on. but he's trying to raise a larger point about the fact, as you point out, over 80% of nevada, of the lands are owned bit feds something to which he objects because his family has been there for generations. >> well, and cliven bundy says this is not about cows or dessert tortoise. it's about state rights. and his big beef with the blm could be avoided i'm worried and a lot of my listeners are very worried this is escalating. one listener yesterday by the name of joe said he's going on saturday, going tomorrow, he's going to take a tub of ice, water, and he's going to take weapons when that happens i get scared >> i worry about law enforcement officers on the scene, they're there doing their jobs. this is a f

and i love the state of nevada, the sovereign state of nevada and nobody can tell me the united states owns this land. i know, without a doubt, that our constitution did not provide for anything like the federal government owning this land and so when i pay my grazing fees, if i owe any grazing fees i will sure pay it to it the right landlord and that will be clark county, nevada. [cheers and applause] >> and our next guest utah rancher not nevada, utah rancher joins us. sir, tell me what -- how do you explain this controversy? >> oh, gretchen, thanks for having me on. this goes so much more than just what people think that we have a defiant rancher here that's not willing to pay his grazing fees. this goes to the federal government, trying to control and take away our rights, and i deal with it here in utah every year constantly. and we have got to stand up and keep them in check or we're just going to lose everything. and we are seeing it all around us. we are seeing our grazing rights taken away. >> all right. so as i understand it, this land is owned by somebody, the states or the

the state of nevada, we will pay for the taxes for the rights that we own in the state of nevada. >> what does the state of nevada say with this? i obviously get what the feds are saying about. this what's the state say, for instance, the sheriff, the governor, what are they saying? >> well, basically, they are saying they have let us down as a citizen of their own state. they bow down be to the feds themselves. >> does that include the governor? because i mean i know the governor didn't like the method that the feds were using. he didn't like that in the beginning, is he not on your side on sort of the underlying problem? >> the governor has a power to step in and just say not in my state, boys, the party is over. the sheriff actually has the ultimate power in our county and he could have said not in my state. but, instead, they allowed the blm to come in and impersonate officers and point guns at our people and try to frighten us. we, the people, should not be afraid of our government. >> what do you think is the next step? i realize you still have supporters there. the feds have b

nevada. many of them armed. >> i'm willing to lay my life down. >> the group shut down several lanes of interstate and waged in intense -- >> protesters aiming to release cliven bundy's cattle. >> let me work with you and you. you two can come in with me. that's it. >> it's the people or not. you guys need to leave. >> push these people back so they can go safely. >> federal officers tried to bring the bundy's over the line to negotiate. >> i'm going to walk you in so you can negotiate with your father. >> walking past armed blm rangers, the bundy started talks about releasing the cattle and calming the crowds. >> i need you to keep the crowd calm above and below. >> after a day's long standoff with federal authorities, cliven bundy won the day. >> i want to talk to one person in each county across the united states, and here's what i want to say. county sheriff, disarm u.s. bureaucracy. >> this week they started to release bundy's cattle citing safety concerns. in the meantime, bundy has bee

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these are all questions finally coming up because it is not just nevada, lou. there is this situation unfolding in new mexico, private property in colorado, the same thing in utah. it is kind of the battle in the west. lou: a classic struggle. what we are also watching here is without question whatsoever when you bring 200 federal agents and law enforcement agents up against one man in what turned out to be more than a few hundred of his friends, they started out with a ratio of 200:1. that is just repulsive, repugnant as it can be for any american whether they live in nevada or new york city. >> it is very heavy-handed indeed. i don't know why it was on the left of the state and law localw enforcement to handle this. i have spoke to cliven bundy. he stopped paying fees and all he wanted to pay the county after they were essentially using his money against him to wage a terror of running them out which they succeed with everybody else. you raise a good point, how much did it cost to you think for 200 agents and for helicopters to stampede these cattle into hold

ranch is in bunkerville, nevada. about 80 miles northeast of las vegas. since 1993, he's allowed his cat toll graze on protected land. and he has refused to pay grazing fees. why? >> i think this is a solemn state of nevada. and i'm a citizen and we operate within this state. we run cattle here, graze this naturally off this public land, and i abide by all of nevada state laws. but i don't recognize the united states government as even existing. >> yep, he doesn't think the u.s. government exists. he doesn't recognize the u.s. government. earlier this month, the federal forces tried to confiscate his catt cattle. nearly 16,000 ranchers pay grazing fees. but bundy, he thinks he's above the law. so clearly this guy is extreme and clearly he could be a problem. but to an extreme right wing obsessed with attacking the government and calling president obama a dictator, glooif bundy was just too ir reist cystable. so they went in whole hog. senator rand paul supported him saying it's an issue of government overreach. gover

>> this is the state of nevada, get out of here! get out of here you >> the feds say bundy is breaking the law as his cattle trespassed on federal lands that he has not paid fees on. he is refusing to comply and now there is a question about the tactics being used by the federal government to enforce the court orders. o we're watching our live cameras and will update you, as appropriate. >>> you said you were ap vulnerable, you felt vulnerableb am i right? >> that's correct, my lady. >> but, you approached the danger. that doesn't make sense. you can't be vulnerable and approach the danger. >> my lady, if i stayed where i was, anything could have happened. ape >> well, that was gerrie nel, the lead prosecutor in the oscar pistorius murder trial. attacking the details he offered to describe the night he shot and killed his girlfriend reevaa steenkamp. he said it was a mistake, he thought there was an intruder.v the prosecution says they have an argument and he knew what he was doing. >> judge alex, a retired florida circuit court jud

rancher, cliven bundy. >> the nevada rancher who refuse p

nevada. >> we can't have american people that violate the law and just walk away from it. >> get your army out of nevada. get your army away from my ranks. >> these people are waiting for the big federal apocalypse. they're waiting for the big war. >> as far as the bundy family, they're not thinking about backing down. i would argue a little bit that the media coverage that myself and some other people have given to this case played a part in this. >> stand by for more on the cattle battle. >> you've got to believe that something's brewing here, no? >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we're going to start the program with a word that republicans just love to throw around "freeloader." that's right. freeloader. you see the dictionary defines freeloader as a person who is supported by another without making an adequate return. hmm. pretty definitive. isn't it, nevada rancher clive bundy's picture should be next to this word. because he say freeloader and has been f

or cliven bundy trespassing on clark county public land in nevada. who is the trespasser here? who is the trespasser with the guns? >> well, i mean, certainly they precipitated and frankly inside of a crisis that could have resulted in people's deaths in my view. they say you owe them $1 million and i for the life of me, your family has been raising catting and grazing there so my question is this, so for these are lands that the government is not using at the present moment, your cows graze there, how did they possibly get to a million dollars that you would have to pay for your cows eating grass they don't care about on land they aren't using? >> well, the only thing i can say is sounded like a government deal to me. >> yeah, yeah. that sounds like a government deal. good point. >> if i oh grazing fees, money to government, i would be happy to pay it to the proper government but i'll be darned if i pay grazing fees to the united states government. >> you do pay that money to clark county in nevada, isn't that right? >> i have paid grazing fees to c

the state of nevada has its test site up air. after that was announced, dean heller, a senator from nevada, was at a hearing featuring the faa administrator. he talked about what the specific drone site would mean for the state of nevada. there's a bit of what he had to say from that january hearing. [video clip] this makes perfect sense because we are, nevada is the birthplace of and manned aircraft system industry in this country. we have scaled experience workforce and we have more militaryin nevada than all other 49 states combined. so i appreciate the administrator recognizing that in recognizing what nevada can contribute to this. it is also well-suited to take on this testing. some a projected that this could bring over $2 billion to a struggling economy in nevada and bring 12 to 15,000 good paying certainly is appreciated. however, in order for all this happened, we must do our work to make sure, as everyone has mentioned, that privacy and safety concerns are met. ,s drones are delivered hovering over the las vegas neighb

this is the tip of nevada. the land that bundy is trying to graze on its in clark county, but the northeastern tip. we're talking about a serious separation. they cannot go quite that far. host: bottom line, what is the next step? guest: that is a good question. you have these issues come up every time you deal with a public lands bill. every state in the west is dealing with major issues about trying to regulate territory more because of this potential endangered species for the sage grouse. you're probably going to have more regulations on federal land. the ranchers are not happy about this or advocating the bundy strategy. they are sympathetic to the opposition. this is too much and we cannot make money. our territory for grazing shrunk. in a way, they have a point. these days, when we talk about legislation, if you want to get rid of the ownership for economic development, you need to do conservation. this is a direct transaction that does not involve the rancher. as you go through these q&a periods, they a

>> well, first they've got to say harry, get your army out of nevada. get your army away from my ranch and clark county public land, and keep it out. and if they come, we'll deal with them tonight. that's what we've got to do, we'll just deal with you. when you've got guts enough to do it, come on. >> well, he also said, richard mack, is i don't think it would be possible to launch a raid without violence. if they came to arrest you, would you surrender? >> i went to the proper authorities. >> meaning? >> it would have to be clark county sheriff. if he came to arrest me, i would definitely let him arrest me. >> let me go -- >> he's the only man -- >> go ahead. >> he's the only man with arresting power in clark county, nevada. >> clark county sheriff is the highest legal authority in the country if you live in clark county, nevada. fox news channel, the conservative media broadly, i don't think there's any reason to believe that they have spent all this time hyping and glorifying and romanticizing this rancher in nevada because he is a posse comitatus gu

>>> back now to our top story, breaking news in the bundy showdown in nevada. tensions have been building there as more than a thousand protesters have traveled to this area to lend support to rancher cliven bundy. he's in a face-off with armed agents from the burro of land management. they say and several courts have said that he is breaking federal law. he has challenged the feds. he's brought his case to court, and he has lost every time, and yet, he refuses to compile with the court order and he is standing on principle at this point. he believes the feds are -- have stepped over the line and finished a conference call with reporters announcing they rounded up about 300 cattle and say they are stress patrespassi. we are there live and update you as things unfold. >> tonight, new reaction to a startling climb from a u.s. senator that the white house is dismantling the nation's laws. critics of the obama administration says the administration is intentionally sidestepping the rule of law in pursuit of an agenda and that is setting a dangerous president for th

nevada is a sovereign state. the land within this state belongs to the state of nevada, not the united states. you've got to understand that. the constitution does not allow -- this is a sovereign state of nevada. >> mr. bundy, every state with a sovereign state within the united states of america. >> this is a jurisdiction question, who has ownership of this land. >> there is no jurisdiction question. >> is it the state of nevada or the united states? >> i'm telling you there is no legitimate issue there. the bureau of land management was founded in 1946, and they never owned that land. it was always federal. because of the taylor act in the '30s, they would have had to pay grazing fees anyway. you know this. you've been not paying your fees. they came after you. you can argue it was too aggressive, too military. they say it was in response to threats from you. but you have to look at the situation. you want to be plain spoken and honest, own up to what your situation is. >> i am. and i'll own up to the fact tha

>> this is clark county, nevada state land. >> right. how long, how long has your family been out there and how long have your cattle been grazing out there, it goes back to the 1800s , 1877 my grandfat pulled here with a wagon and a team of horses. >> this all started, aman, maybe we'll bring you into this. this all started because they said we have this endangered desert tortoise. now it's turned into a lot bigger issue than that. didn't they build a ref fuuge f the tortoise? >> yes, they have a ref fuse in las vegas, nevada where they collected so many tortoise they have to euthanize them. >> so the federal government, this whole thing supposedly started out as the desert tortoise and the federal government thriving so well they are killing some of them. would the cattle ever hurt them in any way? do the cattle ever get in the way of -- >> no. >> explain. >> when i was young, we did -- when i was young we did actual tests to prove this. we put a rock about the size of a turtle in the gateway of a corral and ran about 100 head of cattl

but not within the state of nevada. and they -- >> are you concerned that this is going to escalate? i mean at this point obviously they have pulled back a bit but there were some very tense moments with armed people on both sides. >> you keep saying armed people on both sides. i was with you know, probably close to a thousand people that day. some on horses. and i would say less than 1% had any kind of an arm, and it would have been a small side arm if three carried anything. >> a lot of them were using, seemed like most of the weapons were actually iphones or smartphones being used as cameras to film the federal agents. did you ever expect you'd get into the middle of a brouhaha like this? >> well, i never expected. but i knew that we, the people, would fight for their liberties and freedoms and they proved theirself there. that fight was not for me. it was individuals fighting for their own rights and liberties. i wasn't even in the middle of them. i was on a stage waiting there with my wife, you know five, six miles

what i have to say harry - the people of nevada. they elected harry to go back and serve as a senator in the united states conference. not in the united states as a senator. harry, take care of your job. that will be something to do with foreign nations. don't be coming out here with your armies, pointing guns at citizens in the county. >> that did happen. there were some tense armed confrontations there. the federal government has, for now, given up on seizing your operation. now. >> well, i have a handle of certified letters from the united states government and los angeles blm. i haven't opened them. i'm assuming they got lawyers working on me. i had their lawyers working on me for 20 years. the public don't understand or know about these things. i have been fighting the bat ol for 20 years -- battle for 20 years. >> the blm is the bureau of land management in charge of this. the government says rounding up the cattle was the last resort because, as you said, you have been fighting it for 20 years, they wanted to force you to pay

he had been away from nevada for two months. even on the dry side of the sierra it being greeted his mind. but then we find many reasons to return to prison than live banned chronicle the quirks and hurt the feelings of not a few of the citizens and then to inspire evolution into a great american writer from samuel clemens into mark twain. >> then he decides to move there permanently in the spring of 1864. when he does he comes into contact with the city's leading figure and they will form a complicated love-hate relationship that would continue beyond san francisco. brett hart liked to be looked at. he might be seen in this stylish and overcoat brian by a flash of color the necktie that sets him apart every fabric of the young men's output would be arranged on montgomery street he flitted through the foliage. as your eyes meet his u.s. mile if you spoke a few words in greeting it would be agreeable but there is no yarn or risk splitting to remind one of those wild man mark twain. he preferred to be admired from afar. there is m

they are not from nevada. they are coming here, and they actually have set up kind of a military police state where individuals who live in the community have to go through their checkpoint in order to get to their house. we have -- >> you have checkpoints set up from this militia? >> the militia groups have set up their own checkpoints so the people who live there actually have to go through those checkpoints to get to their home. i met with people who told me their kids can't walk around the corner from their house to their school because there's armed militia in the hills. they tried to go to church on sunday, and there were armed militia in and around the church because cliven bundy was there. they want them to leave so that our community can go back to normal. >> so what's happening with local law enforcement? i mean there still are police out there, right? if there's checkpoints being set up, i mean the cops can do something about that, can't they? >> this is part of why i met with the local elected offi

>> well, first they got to say harry get your army out of nevada. get your army way from my ranch and keep it out. if they come we'll deal with them tonight because if that's what we got to do we'll deal with them. if you got guts enough come on. >> he also said, i don't think it's possible to launch a raid without violence. if they came to a rescue, would you surrender? >> i went to the proper authorities. >> meaning? >> i don't believe -- it would have to be clark county sheriff. he don't arrest me. i would let him arrest me. he's the only man -- >> go ahead. >> he's the only man with arresting power in clark county, nevada. >> there was the hill newspaper today they also said that bureau of land management that they are trying to do this administratively and put out a statement, the director who used to work for harry reid said in a statement following all of this that after the decision that their plan now is to use the courts with the hope of bankrupting you, quote they will press charges against you in federal court, they will try to basically

why are you going to nevada? why do you align yourself -- why are you getting into this spated? >> well, thursday on the floor, i had a resolution that talked about some of the problems that were occurring in nevada. i ended up having over 40 senators and house members sign that resolution. they are very passionate and, you know, greta, i have got to be honest with you, we are not fixating on the merits of the case, whether the bundy family is right or wrong, but we're very very concerned about overreach by the federal government. >> overreach in which way in which they are trying now, he they have got helicopters and everything else. the execution of the court order, is that it or is it the timing? what is it exactly? >> well, you know, the first thing that came to mind was they set up these little

to leave the state of nevada. so that we can solve our own land use issues on our own. >> i understand but with these check points, so what did the sheriff's department tell you? are they planning to do anything about it? >> because this is information that we have just received, it was actually through an e-mail to my office from a constituent we're now working with those agencies to try to see what can be done but most importantly we need cliven bundy to tell these armed militia to leave. bunkerville and the surrounding communities. >> john, let me ask you. you know that the state as well as anyone. we here back in the east about how the issue of federal land is something that supposedly generated a lot of sympathy for bundy from people out there at least before all of this started. was that true? was there before the racist comments came to light, a fair degree of sentiment supportive or sympathetic to him in nevada? how much is left? is it just the militia men or a chunk of the population that is supporting hi

commission, 2010 nevada governor and is the son of harry reid. were you surprised by the kmipt comments, were you surprised to call them patriots? >> i have seen that, to have a u.s. senator say that i was disappointed. i am not questioning that these folks are not devoted to their country, they also need to be devoted to the institutions that made the country great and to the rule of law, which is the hallmark of our country. >> you spoke about things on the internet, i want to give you a headline in which you were prominently featured. i have it discussed that the reason that the blm came for bundy's ranch is so that you could build a solar plant on that land. >> i don't represent anybody, chinese or anybody else who has an interest in developing anything on that land. >> and how much do you see the kind of fringe elements that are kind of stoking the standoff between clyven bundy and the element. >> i think saying the things she says the less likely those points of views are going to be accepted by anyone. i saw her on your show, i felt sorry

william lajeunesse live in bunkerville, nevada, with the very latest on this confrontation. hi, william. >> reporter: well, eric, this being sunday and this corner of nevada, most people at church, the out-of-state protesters going home. after a victory celebration right here last night and, of course, a very tense day. when you did have hundreds of protesters and self-described patriots, militia, sympathizers, blocking interstate 15. also confronting state and local police, unsuccessfully raiding that cattle impound lot but refusing to let blm agents leave. both sides, according to witnesses, had their guns out. as this picture shows, one protester with a rifle in a sniper position above blm agents during a standoff at the cattle yard gate. former arizona sheriff richard mack worried about what was going to happen next. >> we were actually strategizing to put all the women up in the front. if we're going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the shot getting shot by these rogue federal officers. >> reporter: blm said it had no f

they want policing power, and they want -- what they have done here is neutralized our state of nevada governor and county sheriff and now going to take cliven bundy's cat and will if they get rid of me they take the rest of the rights of we the people. >> and this is state property where is the governor? >> no, they do not have no right to be here, not the united states. the governor has the total say here. he can -- they can stop this right now and they should be. that's what the governor should be doing, saying get out of here federal government, this is nevada state. >> right. now you got some support from some guys in utah. one of the commissioners in utah and your local, your local, i guess, committee man or the guy in your neighborhood, clark county commissioner, he actually raised the stakes by saying if these guys, these ranchers that want to come out from utah and support you in solidarity, he called them quote inbreds, why would a county commissioner ever say that? >> well, i guess we elected him. we have to put up with him. >> yeah, and -- >> that is a shame, though. that i

these are folks that live in nevada. these are good, hard-working americans. so they disagree and the government goes out there and pulls guns. now harry reid is calling them terrorists? that is a very sensitive word. the terrorists are the ones that blew up the world trade center on 9/11 and killed 3,000 individuals. >> dennis michael lynch is a documentary film maker who was out there. he saw the guns pointed at the people. he also saw the militia members as well who now harry reid callsç domestic terrorists extraordinarily. here are his observations. listen to this. >> i want to know why it is that i had m-16's pointed at my face, why those m-16's were pointed at women and children and hard-working ranchers. i want an explanation because the more i keep on looking at my footage, that looked like afghanistan. and if there was anything that was domestic terrorism, it was perpetuated by the government, not by the

he's back in nevada. they are on the easter break. it's time for him to shore up his control of that state politically. plus he looks good in sunglasses so he wants to do that. >> if you say so. all right, chris, thank you. >> you bet. >>> new political fallout after the white house takes heat how the administration chose to observe a moment of silence for the boston marathon bombing which was a year ago today. in boston thousands stood at that finish line of the cherished marathon where at 2:49 p.m. two home made bombs exploded tearing through the crowd. that terror attack killed three people and injured 260 more. while vice president biden was in boston today the president and his close advisors chose to mark the moment in private. the only photograph coming from the official white house photographer. when the media pressed in a series of questions about access to the president they wanted more report towers go in, press secretary jay carney said this -- >> well clearly this is the anniversary. >> we certainly think that the moment

he claims the federal government has no business in nevada. f. >> this is the united states of america. i live in a sovereign state in the state of nevada. and i abide by all of the state laws. and i'll be damned if this is a property of the united states. they have no business here. they have no business harassing my cattle. abusing this calf to the point he's dead. they left this calf for two weeks without a mother. >> wrong. wrong and more wrong. if bundy read the constitution he would know that he's breaking the law, both the nevada and federal constitutions recognize the federal government's authority to own land. bundy and his republican supporters are wrong. cliven bundy does not own this land at all. he's a free loader. he's refusing to pay his fees like every other rancher in nevada. but wait a minute, they pay up. he doesn't and republicans haven't been shy about calling bundy and his supporters patriots. >> the idea that you have the senate majority leader calling law-abiding american citizens patriots a domestic terrorist for prote