that voice, 26-year-old ashley smith, held hostage by a killer for seven tore taurus hours. >> breaking stor. >> ten years later, it's become a movie. >> my name is ashley smith. >> you scream again and i'll have to kill you. >> reporter: "captive" starring kate mara as ashley smith, and david eloyo as escaped killer brian nichols. >> god please help me. >> reporter: smith and nichols had no connection, had never met, until he put a gun in her back and pushed his way into her apartment. >> i prayed to god that police ju please if you can get me out of here alive. it's not that i didn't care what happened, it's just what i was trying to prepare for the worst. >> reporter: she's now 37. back then smith lived alone, a recovering meth addict, a dead-end job. she'd lost custody of her 5-year-old daughter and her dignity. after the murder of her husband years earlier. >> what do you want people to take from this movie? >> i really want people to see that it's never too late to turn your life around. >> reporter: all she really had was her fading faith, a fear of death the shock her soul neede

ashley smith cannot quantify why she gave him the drug. she gave him methamphetamine which she had in the house, you give a guy methamphetamine that is not going to go well. charlie: you have no insight into that. david: she is vulnerable but also they are a mirror for each other. she is a meth addict. she has made choices to ostracize herself from her child. they are broken people and they saw something in each other that gave them all to allow them to have a conversation in which she could read the purpose driven life to him and make pancakes for him. they had this exchange. she had also been relegated to the scrap heap. she said when brian nichols broke into her apartment, she had watched the news and scene -- seen there was this killer on the loose, she thought it was god's way of saying you have messed up so much you deserve death. that is the place she has gone to. brian nichols, as his humanity is awakened, he comes to terms with the fact that four people are dead because of what he has done. the trickiest thing for me was to in no

the true story of a woman named ashley smith. in march 2005, a man who had just murdered four people including two in open court showed up at her door. that man, brian nichols, held ashley hostage for some seven hours. she managed to survive bonding with her captor by reading him passages from a popular self-help book by pastor rick warren. despite chances to escape, ashley says her faith told her that a higher power would intervene. there was another opportunity where he convinced you to help him hide the getaway car. he had stolen a car and killed -- i think that was the law enforcement officer's car. >> yes. >> and he got you out of the apartment to help him hide it. why didn't you run in those moments? what was it? did you -- were you motivated by fear or was it some knowledge that i'm going to get out of this? >> i think looking back on it even times when i read the book or watch the movie, even myself, i'm like, go, girl, you need to get out of there. you got a chance. but i think several things went through my mind at that

but i was so inspired by what went on to happen with ashley smith after this event, that's what made me feel like i wanted to lend myself to it. >> rose: all this happened within a seven-hour time? >> yes, seven hours on that day. >> rose: the book "the purpose driven life," some have called this a christian movie. does that mean anything to you? other than the fact that he's a prominent christian with a huge following, and wrote this book that sold 40 million copies. >> i mean, i understand it because we're always looking for ways to categorize things, it's an action movie, a romantic comedy, a faith-based movie. that is not what drew me to it and that is not what i hope ultimately it will be purely understood to be because i think faith-based movies largely seem to be made for a niche audience, prierl for christians, and they can be quite heavy handed in terms of the preachy, proslatory nature. >> rose: they make a lot of money. >> they make a lot of money but they make a lot of money from a niche audience. and for me, i want to reach as broad an audience as i can, especially a sto

and he remained, i think, in this fugue state, until encountering ashley smith, who somehow, through her humaintain, her pleeg not to be killed, reawakened the humanity in him. >> rose: even you begin to see it in small acts. >> right. the cops around the case refused to believe that bryan and ashley didn't know each other, because they were just flabbergasted. there's no way these two people can have this time together, these seven hours, and she not end up dead, and then he let himself-- let her go. but that's why we wanted to make the movie. what happened in those seven hours to make them turn this corner? >> rose: was this an easy choice for you? >> no. it was a very difficult choice for me because i know what it costs me to play a role. it's, you know, like daniel day lewis, i aspire to immerse-- you know, the kind of immersion that means you have to give yourself over to the character. you have to not judge the character. you have to place yourself in their mindset -- >> be the character. >> to understand why they do what they do. and as a person, i find what he did reprehensib

ashley smith hostage for seven hours. they had deep conversations during those seven hours. ended peacefully. you see mr. nichols was arrested after words but what transpired between the hostage taker and the hostage, fascinating and the subject of a new movie called captive. it comes out friday. ashley smith was the woman inside the apartment with a convicted killer for all those hours, she is played by kate mara. welcome today. rosanna: what is it like seeing your life, 7 hours of a very traumatic time in your life screen? >> very soon real for me to watch all unfold. i thought that when i first saw the film it wouldn't be emotional because i live that. how much more emotional can't you get? with my 16-year-old daughter sitting next to me to experience some of it as well by not having me there at times with her bursting into tears watching it happen was very emotional for us. greg: what was going on in your life ten years ago before this incident? >> i was on a downward spiral after many tragedies in my life. my first h

ashley smith herself says she cannot quite quantify why she gave him the drug. he was asking for weed, something to calm him down after this crazy day, and she gave him meth which she happened to have in the house which is an upper. you give a guy who killed four people meth, that's not going to go well. >> rose: you have no insight into that. she's vulnerable. >> she's vulnerable but they're a mirror for each other. she's a meth addict. she's made choices that has ostracized herself from her child in the same way he has. they're both broken people and i think they both saw something in each other that gave them pause to allow them to have a conversation in which she could read the purpose-driven life to him, she could end up making pancakes for him. they had this exchange that i think the level of humanity -- because she had also been reel tbaitd to the scrap heap. she said to me, when brian nichols broke into her apartment that day because she had watched the news and seen there was this killer on the loose, when he broke into her apartment, she felt it was go

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we'll catch up with ashley smith. ten years ago the single mother was taken hostage by an escaped convict on a murder spree but convinced him to spare her life. >> i just told him that she didn't have a daddy anymore and if -- if he killed me, then she wouldn't have a mommy either. >> how that terrifying ordeal changed her forever. >>> plus, the pope for a price. the unholy prices that scalpers are asking for free tickets to see pope francis during his visit to the u.s. >>> then it's a hollywood invasion in studio 1a. true or false. >> true! >> correct! >> neil patrick harris is ready to show you the best time ever with a preview of his new live variety show. >> do you have a lot of girl problems? >> i'm about to. >> and mindy kaling on her new book "new season of the mindy project," a new gig as a "today" guest co-host today, monday, september 14th, 2015. >> from buffalo, new york, meg and anthony celebrating their anniversary. >> from hillsboro, new jersey, celebrating on georgia. >> from georgia, celebrating my 60t

. >>> starring in "captive" of ashley smith, a drug addicted mother who was at the end of the line. and just when she thought she hit rock bottom, she was taken hostage at gunpoint by an escaped killer. should have been the worst moment but i sat down with the real ashley. >> i understood he loved me and didn't matter what i've done. >> ashley headed for a bad ending. head to drug rehab and watched her husband die and still using at the same time she was abducted by brian nichols who's played by david oyelawolf. >> it's your worst nightmare. somehow became a blessing. >> breaking story. police looking for this man. >> mickles killed four people while escaping custody. >> did david oyrk ellowwolf get? >> it's scary. i surprised myself because i got teary eyed. >> hard now going back or easier to go back? >> it's hard in a sense to go back and realize four people lost their lives. but also, it's a day that changed my life for the better. >> what are you doing? >> the book. >> it's me. >> kate plays ashley. both she and nichols life, she started reading him the book, the purpose-driven

we'll catch up with ashley smith. ten years ago the single mother was taken hostage by an escaped convict on a murder spree but convinced him to save her life. >> i just told him she didn't have a daddy anymore. if he killed me, she wouldn't have a mommy either. >> how that terrifying ordeal changed her forever. >>> plus the pope for a price. the unholy price scalpers are asking for the visit to the u.s. . a hollywood invasion in studio 1a. true or false. >> correct. >> neil patrick harris showing you the best time ever with a preview of his variety show. >> do you have a girl trouble? >> i'm about to. >> mindy kaling on her new book, "today," september 14th, 2015. ♪ ♪ >> celebrating our first anniversary. >> we are from new jersey. >> celebrating by 12:birthday on "today." >> georgia celebrating by 60th birthday on the "today" show. [ speaking spanish ] >> have a great day! [ cheers and applause ] >> and we're back now. it's 8:00 monday morning. it's the 14th day of september, 2014. you know, savannah was right.

ashley smith had moved into this apartment the night before. she had watched this guy, who had perpetrated these crimes that day on tv, and then he broke into her apartment. can you -- can you imagine literally watching that all day and then suddenly, there he is. and she read this book to him out of desperation, really, "the purpose driven life." something happened between those two that ending up meaning he let her go and gave himself up, and i just found that kind of miraculous. >> seth: well, that's fantastic. what a great story. >> yeah. >> seth: there's something i want to ask you about that was a story that received a bunch of attention that you have had to then step in and clarify a bunch. it was announced that you will be playing james bond in an audio book. >> yeah. [ laughter ] don't mock me. >> seth: yeah. >> it was a huge honor. >> seth: no, it's a huge honor. >> it is a huge honor. it just really shows, people don't read anymore. >> seth: yeah. >> because it was an -- and to be fair, in the click bait world we now live in, all the

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something about what happened with ashley smith that is inspired me. the life she went on to live beyond this event. >> you met with her personally? >> i did. she was on set with us for a lot of the shoot and meeting her and seeing the life she has created after being a meth addict after losing her daughter and her husband had died in a drug-related incident. you know, her life has now turned into beautiful. but she really helped because i didn't get to brian nichols who is serving multiple life sentences. >> she found the humanity in this guy which is very scary. >> i think he went into a state that day that never stopped until he saw the human being that ashley smith was on that day. something about her made his humanity kind of resurface and that is why i believe she didn't become his fifth victim. >> and thinking about his son. >> and thinking about his son also. the book that they read with each other. it was a human -- the purpose of life. >> what is interesting you really do not know as this day unfolds how it's going to end. >> right. >> true.

. >> my name is ashley smith. i'm a mother. >> i don't trust you ashley. >> ashley is a drug addict who's lost custody of her daughter. ryan is the father of a baby boy, and perhaps that's why the two can find common ground while he holds her hostage. >> could you forgive me? i don't know. maybe god can. >> we are scared for her because we can't predict what he will do next. the character himself can't be sure of his next move because he's not in control of his own emotions. emotions that seesaw between his weaker impulses and his better ones. >> what is that? what are you doing? >> just a book. >> a book. >> a purpose driven life. >> read it to me. >> okay. captive seems to be telegraphing a big message a bit too loudly at times, but to pay for watching such great acting. now one critic compared the new movie to a cheesy cable tv movie, and i think that's wrong and unfair. david o'yellow captivates us just as he did in selma, and i have to tell you this is a terrific piece of work for him coming up at 4 i'll revi

it focuses on the relationship between nick cost and ashley smith the meth addict who he held hostage. >> the story is hopeful. she didn't think she had anything left in her life and then that all changed. >> i think a universal story about redemption, about hope. >> when and where you do it. >> reporter: black mask has been getting good reviews based on the real life of gangster whitey bulger. >> great role for johnny depp. probably one of the first movies of the fall season that's going to be an oscar con tenner. >> reporter: it's heating up theaters and a third adaptation is on the way. >> the cast is on the run. they are kind of trying to survive in this post- apocalyptic world. emily blunt plays an fbi agent in over her head. it's brutal and bloody. nonstop thrills. >> the fact that she is a woman and it's very masculine dangerous violent world magnifies the danger for the audience. >> reporter: josh brolin is in it fantastic in the film. it's very violent. but it looks beautiful. >> our bodies will be dying. >> reporter: last but not least, everest which stars jake gyllenhaal jo

. >> my name is ashley smith, and i'm a mother. >> i don't trust you ashley. >> reporter: ashley lost ryan is the father of a baby boy. they try to find common ground while he holds her hostage. >> can you forgive me? >> i don't know. maybe god can. >> reporter: we are scared for her because we can't predict what he will do next. the character himself cannot be sure of his next move because he's not in control of his own emotions it will seesaw between his emotions. >> reporter: what are you doing? >> it's a book. >> read it to me. >> sandy kenyon, channel 7 eyewitness news. >> i remember that story, and that looks really good. >> after what he did in selma, i will see anything. >>> commuters depend on the m the subway this weekend. how long will it affect your commute? >>> an exciting week for baseball teams across the area. the teams are duking it out in music: "thunder clatter" by wild cub most weekends only last a couple of days. some last a lifetime. hampton. we go together. always get the lowest price, te >>> just before 7:00, and police say the suspect in the nun new jersey is

the story highlights the connection that forms when he takes ashley smith, a meth addict, hostage. >>> coming up in our 8:00 a.m. show, grenade found at a thrift shop as police search for the person who is responsible for creating this potentially explosive situation. >>> plus donald trump breaks his silence over the comments made at one of the rallies about president obama's fate. >>> if you're looking for a good day, here it is, 70 degrees by 9:00, we are going to stay in the 70s all afternoon with low humidity and a nice breeze. enjoy it. it's going to be nice. >>> good morning and thanks for joining us. i'm mike hydeck. >>> call it a not so grand opening, long overdue and 80 million over budget, the silver spring transit center opens this morning. >>> plus why police are confident this is the man behind the string of freeway shootings in arizona. >>> this is the first time in my life that i have caused controversy by not saying something. i didn't say anything. >> and donald trump finally says something about staying silent that time after the controversial comments from an audien

this morning, ashley smith, the mom who was taken hostage by a killer and convinced him to set her free. plus, neil patrick harris, dr. phil, and mindy kaling will join us live in studio 1a when we start on a monday morning. back across to you. >> but matt, fascinating you were discussing with joyce mitchell of the relationship between prisoners and the people who work in prison, right? >> and a lot of these civilian employees in prisons are warned, they're told prisoners have a lot of free time on their hands to find ways to manipulate them. yet, she still found herself in that situation. by the way, admits she made some really bad choices. >> all right. we're looking forward to seeing that interview. thanks so much. >>>well be right back with today's top stories. also a check on the weather and traffic. >>> happening today, commuters testing out their first rush hour through the new 7 train station. >> katherine creag joins us live from the west side. >> reporter: good morning to you, lynda and michael. this is a whole new way of life and extremely convenient for the people who work o

ashley: amber smith thank you, we appreciate it. back to politics, second gop debate is tomorrow night, donald trump keeping that momentum going leading the latest cbs poll with 27%, ben carson not far behind, jeb bush falling back, scott walker not even pictured, 2%. republican strategist mercedes is here, does the gop in the field need to come out swinging in and strum in this debate or is that a big mistake? >> i think it would be wise to go after trump especially if trump goes after you but i don't think they need to get stuck on this fighting against trump. they need to show why they are relevant, why their policies matter but it has to be ♪ as of substance and style. we can talk about policy and numbers defy one of these candidates on the debate stage tomorrow i would hone in on my style and my 1-liners and really make it so that the voters out there can basically say wait a second, there is a contrast with donald trump because it is going to be the donald trump show again tomorrow. ashley: let's talk about the other people

. >> we start with ashley smith, the single mom who talked a man on a killing spree out of taking her life. that'ses where they are now all next week on "today." >> let's check on the top stories of the morning. natalie is at the news desk. >> good morning. the question, will he or won't he? vice president joe biden isn't saying whether he'll challengele hillary clinton for the 2016 democratic nomination but he's talking about it. in an emotional interview on the late show he told stephen colbert he's overwhelmed by the death of his son and may not have the heart for another presidential run. >> i think any man or womanle should not run for president unlessle they can look at folks and say you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy. i would be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> biden has run for president twice. he's expected to make his decision in the coming weeks. a series of shootings in the phoenix area is alarming resident and con founting police. 11 vehicles have been struck by bullets or projectiles over the past two weeks, mostly on the same stretch of busy in

. >> it starts monday with ashley smith, the single mom who talked a man on a killing spree out of taking her life. that's where they are now, all next week right here on "today." >>> let's get a check of the top stories. natalie is at the news desk. >> good morning to you buys. the big question this morning, will he or won't he? vice president joe biden still isn't saying whether he will challenge hillary clinton for the 2016 democratic nomination. but he is talking about it. in an emotional interview on the late show thursday night, biden told stephen colbert he's still overwhelmed by the death of his son earlier this year and may not have the heart for another presidential run. >> i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless they can look at the folks out there and say, i promise you, you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy. i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> biden has run for president twice. he is expected to make his decision in the coming weeks. >>> a series of shootings in the phoenix area is alarming residents and confounding police. 11

smith, jonas max ferris, john layfield, along ashley pratte and chuck rocha. our public officials failed to do it. you say private companies should keep the sanctions against iran. why? >> absolutely, brenda. because for one reason. i think it's just good business. we're all going to agree, capitalists will go to where the money is unless it's bad by. you know, if you struck a deal with a terrorist or in this case i call him a scorpion, they're always going to revert to what they do best, and that's sting. we saw that in venezuela, as a matter of fact, when exxon tried to do business there all for the sake of cash. and what happens was hugo chavez nationalized exxon's assets there. if a private company is smart, they won't deal business with iran for that reason. you're dealing with the devil. the best way to deal with a zefl not deal with them at all. cut off their source of funds, which they need the free market for. i think ted cruz is right in this case. >> very interesting, gary, an answer i didn't expect from you. jonas, you say asset seizures are questi

joining us for commentary ashley webster, sandra smith, shah gilani, to you first, why are the markets opening today? >> we are reacting from the yo-yo going on in china. yesterday we had early today, the consumer sentiment, in 2014, housing sentiments also up. if you look at our consumer sentiment that just came up recently it is better too. what we have to do is wash away the innuendo in everything and the economy, in the next week we have a lot of data. that is what we will watch for to continue this rally. stuart: i have another one for you, what about the russia situation, russia, syria, overflight and bombing, with any impact on american stocks? >> not so far. you said early on you will see the market what the u.s. reaction will be. if this tells you anything they won't do anything so i am not worried about big reaction going on now. stuart: dan says look, the administration probably won't do anything, therefore probably no impact on stocks on wall street. >> and that is the problem, markets look at that in decision. and in syria, and the longer-term problem in the markets. that

joining us, ashley webster, sandra smith, scott shellady and mike murphy, a nice grand gesture there. and we're down to 53 points. when you get less movement, i feel better. should i. >> absolutely. the biggest punch that the markets have given us and eyes are on the fed next week. stuart: a little anxious. sandra: you didn't do the horse race. a minute and 15 into the opening bell, stuart, i'm not ruling out a triple-digit move. stuart: we're down 53 points. does that make you feel better. ashley: we're in the waiting game. there's chinese data is coming 0 out. >> chinese data, no buzzer? you're nicer to him. stuart: well, he's all right. ashley: thank you, stuart. stuart: i keep using this word, stability. is that legit this friday morning where the dow is opening up a mere 50 points lower? i think i could use the word stability, but you know, a sense of i'm right. look at some of the big name tech stocks, let's see if we've got stability in the big names, apple, 111, dead stable, down 60 cents stability. netflix, 98 a share, 58 cents, stability. facebook 90, 91, i call at that stab

ashley webster, senator smith, but nor walk-ins, of them together. get the buzzer ready. we are going talk about the fed. earlier you said the federal reserve is enough to raise rates this month. a sticking to that? >> absolutely. they missed the recovery and no idea what's going on. they don't understand how real money words yet if they did they wouldn't be thinking about this right now. the middle classes start really. stuart: scott shellady, what are you saying? the fed is near and dear to your heart. >> i've been doing it for 28 years. last i remember we would raise interest rates to cool off an overheating economy. it's not happening. i agree we may have missed the boat. they should've done it when we had a gdp forecast of 3.9 or 4%. i think right now if they do it that will make the market only to stay relevant. they are doing it for policy and that's the danger. stuart: keith ann scott, there is a concern in fact the fed will not raise rates. are you with that consensus keith ann scott? >> i think they are actually going to try it. it is stupid. i think they will a

to commemorate and talk about the opening of the market, ashley webster, sandra smith, tom, and is that on the script. the opening bell will ring in 15 seconds and we're expecting a loss of 50, maybe 60 points. where we close today is anybody's guess. the question that i'm asking everybody is 16,000, is that the bottom? is that the closing bottom of this market? well, we'll see. the trading day has begun. you hear that bang right there. kind of a bell. we're running and we're off seven points, nine points. the futures say we're going to go down. sandra: give it a minute, stu, come on! all the stocks aren't open yet. stuart: why do people want to watch a show that's going down and then it's going up. sandra: because you don't tell them that, futures don't translate to exactly where we were going to open. stuart: there we go. ashley: the varney effect. stuart: do not say that. brad mcmillan, i want you to come in on this one. why have stocks in the last two weeks of august and first two weeks of september, why all over the place? why now? >> well, we've got a lot of uncertainty coming int

we have with us to cover this ashley webster, sandra smith, larry levin, in the background city says watch out for a global recession. and goldman sachs this morning said markets will continue to slide as we go forward. larry levin, to you first, what do you make of those statements from big-name in the investment business? >> usually i don't listen to big names but in this case i think they are right unfortunately. we have of that meeting coming w don't like to talk about love fed and the don't want to get buzz. i never want that to happen again. more lower prices are hard to come by, we will finish below 16,000. i agree with what sandra said is what we call the tv number, a number we talk about on tv but if we settle below it is not a good sign, yesterday below 1900, the isn't the trading 1870's 5 cell not good now. stuart: lee munson nail biting time bearing in mind what city and goldman sachs have to say. >> they are late to the game. we already in a global recession in europe and emerging markets. the question is are we going to get a santa claus rally that will allow people to

stuart: ashley webster and sandra smith are here and joining us from chicago-- we're waiting for the fed, apart from the federal reserve, why do you say that the market is at a top here? tell me. >> well, i think that-- first, just saying the market is at a top, we've got earnings growth that are starting to decelerate. i think that the viewers at home need to understand we only have a little more upside that the market has between now and end of the year. the reality is, we're probably going to hit a recession in the next year or so because it's a part of the natural business cycle. if you want to be bearish or defensive, just wait for a pop and wait for it to come there and take the profits off the table. don't go off and make any moves in the next few days and don't presume because we might have a santa claus rally that that means you need to jump in. if i saw a santa claus rally after the nonsense with the fed, i'd get into it. stuart: we hear you, nicely express. we're at a top, got it. goldman sachs says if the fed were to raise rates, goldman sachs says buy apple and chipotle.

ashley webster is with us and so, too, is sandra smith. mike murphy is back and scott shellady in chicago. i'll ask mike the same question as before. if they raise rates at 2:00 this afternoon, how does the stock market close? >> i think they raise rates and gives us a play book. if janet yellen comes out and says it's a slow gradual increase and the reasons behind, point is picking up and that we have 0 strong housing market. i think it goes higher. stuart: i've got pretty good ears and i hear everybody else in the background with the saxophone, was that you, shellady. >> no, it wasn't me, but i would ask this, since 1964, rate hikes have been fairly good for the market. so, that would be something that we'd have to take a look at one data point and the other i'd have to 100% agree with. regardless whether they raise them, it's everything to do with what she said. they could raise them for the wrong reasons and the market tanks and they can raise them for the right reasons and the market tanks as well. it doesn't have anything to do with