his family, his wife and four children, were left behind with her father richard clark. they eventually joined him in london. when copley came back to alolon after his year in italy, he was so pleased to be reunited with his family he painted this portrait in celebration of that reunion, so this is copley in the back holding some sheets of paper and his family in the foreground. his wife with his young son, john copley jr., and his father-in-law is holding the youngest child, the recently born baby. there's an interesting story about that. and the other two girls, you see their dolls. a doll and a hat here in the corner. they're in the background. when copley learned that his wife had come to london, he was still in litaly. she said she came with three of the children. he asked her which one did you leave behind. it must have been the youngest one because he was so delicate. she did leave their youngest son behind. he died in january. when copley started in painting of his family, the baby would have been that child, but that child died and copley must have known his wif

they are ostensibly in the home on leicester square that richard clarke owned. the background is kind of an italianate background landscape copley must have learned how to do while he was in italy. when copley learned that his wife had come to london, he said she came with three of the children. he asked which one she left behind. it must have been the youngest one because he was so delicate. she left her youngest son behind, and he died in january and never came to england. when copley started this painting of his family, the baby would have been that child. but that child died. and copley must have known his wife was expecting another one, so he left the space for the child in the painting. one child is not here. his image of his wife reminds you of an italian madonna, and again it betrays his study in italy for the year before he came. they are sitting in furniture that would have been in their home in london. richard clarke was a merchant in boston with tory leanings, and it was his tea that had been dumped into the boston harbor for the boston tea party. it

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. >> richard clark was in charge of counterterrorism in the white house on 9/11. it was that very night, clark says, when the iraq war really began. >> on the night of 9/11, we all meet in the situation room in the east wing of the bunker and rumsfeld is there straight from the pentagon which is still on fire at the time. the president is there. and in that conversation, rumsfeld starts talking about invading iraq while the pentagon is still burning. the president, he said, you know, saddam, saddam. go back and look at everything and find whether saddam was involved. >> so even as the fires of 9/11 still burned -- >> the people who knocked those buildings down will hear all of us soon. [ cheers ] >> -- one of the most disastrous chapters in the history of american intelligence began, building a case to go to war against saddam hussein, even though he had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. >> when you want to believe something and you say to the world, give me intelligence that says this, they will give you intelligence that says that. >> information was gathered

if you read the book by richard clark -- >> i have read richard clark's book, and it seems to me as it's someone who was squeezed out of power and was jealous and angry about it. i respect them, but they're wrong here. at this august 6th briefing, they specifically said there was no specific evidence of an attack planned against the united states. obviously, they knew al qaeda wanted to attack the u.s. and that's why the president said, is there a threat now? is is everything being done? he was told there was no threat to the u.s. >> well, there's another point that donald trump makes. people who knew what was going on in the months leading up to 9/11 say he's got a good point, that there really wasn't, and the 9/11 commission report concluded, there wasn't a good dialogue with various branches of the u.s. government. the fbi was not coordinating with the cia, they were not coordinating with the nsa, with the national security council. only after 9/11 did they start working together. and what trump says, it's the president, the buck stops with him. why weren't these national security age

i don't think so. >> richard clark says it could have and the example he points to is what the clinton administration did in 1999 when there were warnings about a millennium attack. clinton demanded dated meetings, demanded the people inside agencies really shake the leaves in terms of what was going on and manage to capture this guy who was coming in across the canadian boarder. he thinks if there was more attention in the top, maybe zackery arrested that summer in minnesota, the fbi couldn't check his laptop. >> peter arguably, there was prior, the world trade center, bombings in east africa. there is administrations you could paint with the same brush. >> i'm not claiming the bush administration could have stopped it. i'm claiming there is a possibility they could have and didn't do everything they reasonably could have been expected to do. >> phil, were signs missed? a lot of people point to the presidents' daily brief that, you know, just prior -- the summer prior to 9/11 they talked about the possibility of an attack or certain kind of attack and the title of the president daily

richard clark, copley's wife's father, was a merchant in boston with torrey leanings, and it was his tea, the tea that was dumped into the boston harbor at the tea party, had been received by his receiving company. it was his tea that was dumped into the harbor, so he probably had good reason to leave and go to england. so this whole idea of a group portrait is something new, much beyond what the early limbners in america could do. it's a baroque idea of a group portrait is a hard thing to carry off. copley learned this while he was studying in italy. we can go back into the room. we're back in the room with copley portraits. this is another group portrait that copley painted once he went to england. again, this is a very sophisticated effort on his part to capture a modern-day history scene, a modern-day something that actually happened. this painting was commissioned by brook watson when he was the lord mayor of london. this was something that happened to him as a young man when he was on a merchant ship and they were outside of havana, in havana harbor when he decided to go for a

. >> you lean heavy on richard clarke. >> tenet was very upset. he had a meeting with condoleezza rice. she wasn't focused. did bush do everything he reasonably could have been expected to do? no, i don't think he did. >> you are backing donald trump? >> only on this one narrow point. >> when i push beinart, he comes at me with all these facts. within i push you, you tell me it's a dumb question and you like my face. >> i'm blinded by the sport jacket. i have to tell you, blue blazer, two words, brother. >> another screaming statement of ignorance. fellows, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> we're at the top of the hour. when we get all the way there, we're past 6:30, when we get to 7:00, guess who's here. donald trump. he's beginning to respond to why he makes these cases that he's making. he'll be here on "new day." alisyn? >> you're rounding up, i like that. >> i'm anticipating. >> i know you are. >>> donald trump and ben carson dominating the republican field in the latest cnn poll out this morning. what do voters like so much about them?

and if you listen to richard clark, a big bush critic, right if when did he got into office and he says bush didn't listen to him but even in the 9/11 commission, bush taken any one of his recommendations, quote, unquote, not the remotist chance he would have stopped 9/11. kennedy: yeah, but the idea donald trump would have influenced and completely changed or overhauled our nation's immigration policy in seven months, i think that's unverifiable. >> if trump wasn't trump and somebody else said this, he would be shocked because it's coming out of his mouth we're, like, oh, okay. and you're right. there is a little bit of truth there. i don't think he should be attacking george w bush for 9/11. i also think it's odd he's trying to attack his brother through jeb bush. kennedy: yeah. >> but it's working. and it's working because he's so gung-ho about this he's 0 to 180 in two seconds and you don't ever really stop to think, well, maybe you shouldn't be saying something like that. and it is also pushing jeb bush on the defense. >> uh-huh. >> and showing the american people like you said tha

brian: richard clarke? gary: yes, exactly. senior moment on my part. we spent a lot of time with him and other experts. they had seen the intelligence. they had talked to foreign service officers and intelligence officers and they saw it coming. particularly gulf war one, where we station american troops on saudi soil. bin laden and others said, that is when we had to get even with the great satan. brian: back in february of 2001, you were with ian redman on a call in show. i asked you about it later. let's watch this and see the two of you talking about this. >> we were always conscious of the fact -- we have been very blunt about the possibilities. if people like us had spent this time on this report and something bad happened, we are going to be held accountable. we have done this as openly and honestly and fairly with the american people as we can. why major news organizations have and cover this is a separate story. why do people pick up their local newspaper, not read a word about this, and it's something that happens in their town. brian: i noti

clarke and others were warning of an imminent attack, and it could be planes, and nothing was done. >> a number of the crit nal hijackers came into the kcountr prior to president george bush coming into the time he came into office. it was planned over a period of time. and there was no actionable intelligence that pointed specifically or specifically to the aviation plot that we saw. >> and let me correct you on this, because it did say from the august 6th, 2001, and a couple of months before 9/# 11, the presidential daily briefing of bin laden determined to attack u.s., and it is patterns that indicate patterns of suspicious activity conis tent with hijackings or other types of attacks including recent surveillance of federal buildings in new york. >> right, that would lead you to federal buildings being surveilled on the ground. and wolf, my point is that we needed a system that needed to be repaired and president bush did repair it, and it was no actionable evidence that led to the plot. and i was part of this, was that the president swung into action, and immediately began to c

clark and very interesting point that he made, which is that he resigned or threatened to resign over the fact that he's begging and pleading -- judy, you're nodding your head because you know i'm right? >> that's true. david: wasn't clark also begging the clinton administration to take him out when he had a clear shot. >> yes. david: hold on. i'm asking judy. do you mind? >> there's a lot of blame to go around. but blame is not the solution. and it doesn't prevent the next 9/11. 9/11 commission says that everyone forgotten is something that president obama forgotten, which is the most important thing you need in terms of government talking, connecting the dots is transparency and communication and president obama has been the least transparent president we've had in a long time. >> jeb bush did not help himself by tweeting out, my brother -- you know, my brother kept us. we were attacking and my brother kept us safe. that doesn't help him because he's pointing out that the attack did happen on his brother -- watch. david: the point is what jeb is saying his brother helped keep us saf

clark, who is the counterterrorism czar under george bush, what the cia have said, and we have a lot of material about this now. they were trying fervently to try to get the attention of top officials in the bush administration about the al qaeda threat. and there was a very lackadaisical attitude. the bush administration was focused in iraq, on missile defense. it was not focused on al qaeda. that's not to say bush could have stopped the attack, but did he do everything he reasonably could? not even close. >> a lot of pundits on both sides of the aisle have been saying this is territory you don't touch. >> i just think they're completely wrong. to say bush orchestrated 9/11, of course, that's craziness, but to ask the question, did bush -- was bush as vigilant as he could have been? the answer is, there were 36 times, according to the book "the angler" that the cia brought to attention the threat of an attack on the american homeland from al qaeda in the summer and spring, summer and fall of 9/11. if you compare the way the bush administration responded, it didn't hold a single cabi

especially given the fact that people from his own administration said, richard clark said in january i need a meeting on my plan to fight al qaeda. he didn't get one until september of 2001. so i don't think it make -- if jeb bush wants to relitigate this it, he's going to find despite his loyalty to his family, there's a lot of evidence on the other side. >> there's a piece of this which probably fits into your thesis that trump is saying regarding his immigration policies being so tough on thinking of the men who -- the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers, trump would have kept him out of the united states. jeb bush wrote a book on immigration and pointed out leaky immigration policies around 9/11. >> we don't know what trump would have done, but we know there was a bunch of hijackers in the united states. one of them was actually arrested in minnesota by a flight instructor, but the fbi was not able to search his laptop because they didn't get approval. from the top of the bush administration, there had been the demands that this be priority number one, maybe some of th

his family, his wife and four children, were left behind with her father richard clark. they eventually joined him in london. when copley came back to alolon after his year in italy, he was so pleased to be reunited with his family he painted this portrait in celebration of that reunion, so this is copley in the back holding some sheets of paper and his family in the foreground. his wife with his young son, john copley jr., and his father-in-law is holding the youngest child, the recently born baby. there's an interesting story about that. and the other two girls, you see their dolls. a doll and a hat here in the corner. they're in the background. when copley learned that his wife had come to london, he was still in litaly. she said she came with three of the children. he asked her which one did you leave behind. it must have been the youngest one because he was so delicate. she did leave their youngest son behind. he died in january. when copley started in painting of his family, the baby would have been that child, but that child died and copley must have known his wif