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commentator, david axelrod. jennifer jacobs, white house reporter for bloomberg news. david von drehle, editor at large at "time" magazine who wrote the cover story on donald trump jr. president trump is defending his son. he's saying sort of meeting that donald trump jr. took with the russian lawyer is typical in politics. watch this. >> as far as my son is concerned, my son is a wonderful young man. he took a meeting with a russian lawyer. not a government lawyer, but a russian lawyer. it was a short meeting. it was a meeting that went very, very quickly, very fast. two other people in the room, i guess one of them left almost immediately and the other one was not really focused on the meeting. i do think this, i think from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research, or even research into your opponent. >> so, david, clearly has no problem with what donald trump jr. did. he says it's typical opposition research. >> yeah. well, let me tell you, i've been involved in politics, covering it and as a strategist for four years. i've been at t
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russian lawyer calling it very standard and saying most people would have taken. let's discuss. david von drehle. this is the latest cover from "time" magazine. the cover reads "red handed, the russia scandal hits home." talk to me about this cover. >> we -- as i say, it's -- if you look in the background of the image, it's obviously donald jr. in the foreground, but then sort of screened over him is the text of the e-mail chain. it's his own words. he's the one who said how excited he would be to have the opportunity to cooperate with the russian government to effect his father's election. so, that's where "red handed" comes from, and obviously it's the story of the week. we've talked about why that is the -- needs to be the "time" cover. we know that president trump, in particular, has kind of got a thing about "time" covers. i don't think this one's going to end up on the wall in any of his golf courses. >> yeah, he does. he likes to boast about how many times he's been on the cover of "time" magazine, even has the fake cover of "time" magazine hanging in a couple of his golf clubs for some reason.
"time" magazine. joining me the author of "time's" cover piece, david von drehle. it has been announced officially by the white house that ty cobb has been appointed. he will serve as white house special counsel. talk about that in conjunction with this question, as you open the piece asking how bad is it? how do you answer that? >> well, as we say in the piece, our traditional instruments for determining how bad a political situation is have really been shaken up over the past year or year and a half as one dramatic thing after another has happened without really knocking president trump's juggernaut off course. but what i think we can say with confidence about this is that it's getting worse and worse and worse. and, you know, you were talking earlier with your previous guests about what should the democrats do. i think we're now at a point in this process where it doesn't really matter what the opposition does, it doesn't really matter entirely what the media does, because the special counsel now has a tremendous amount of room to dig into this and to go from the oval office to trump
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