chuck schumer, fake tears, remember him talking about that. >> clown schumer. >> crying chuck. >> he happened to give him a lot of money to him. >> yes. they've known each other. he values loyalty and relationships more than anything else. schumer is the person on the democratic side he feels like he could talk to -- not going to bring nancy pelosi or dick durbin after the meeting last week. it makes sense. i do think it's worth noting that donald trump asked for chuck schumer to come. it's noteworthy in that it suggests that -- and i take senator rounds at his word that there's no deal that's going to come out of this. at least donald trump wants to talk. the why behind that, i think, is more complicated. he wants to talk, which says something. the one that i caution against -- let's say they come out of this and say we've got a deal. they, too, donald trump and chuck schumer might have a deal but house republicans, senate democrats, senate republicans -- it's not as easy, even if they do settle on something. it's not easy to snap your fingers and it's a done thing. >> there was a h

it probably is chuck schumer. from my understanding he talked to a kooucouple reporters sayin hoped to work out a deal. so if there is someone talking, i would bet it is chuck schumer. >> and you and i have been there and know how it works. sometimes it is just somebody from a staff coming out. kristen welker is there as well. she is inside the briefing room. what can you tell us, what is the expectation on the part of the president going into this meeting with chuck schumer? >> i can tell you that things were looking pretty grim prior to the white house announcing that there was going to be this meeting with chuck schumer, significant that the president is only sitting down is with the democratic leader of the senate. i think he clearly wants to talk directly to him to see what needs to happen to potentially overt this looming government shutdown. we know that they have reached across the aisle, struck a deal in the past when it comes to a short term spending measure, can they do that again this time. i just spok

but what do you think chuck schumer got out of the republicans? >> just to day that's point quickly, i'm never happy when i look at my twitter feed. i feel your pain, chuck schumer. >> i thought you stopped following me, chris. >> never. >> you love the trolls. >> i do. they love me. i think what you get here is dana is right about potential short-term pain for -- actually, no. actual short term pain for potential long-term gain. >> long-term gain, yeah. >> chuck schumer will get hammered on this by the left who view it as a capitulation and rightly so. chuck schumer said on saturday no three-week continuing resolution and we need agreements on planned slovotes issues including daca. mitch mcconnell is saying it is my intention to do these things and it is not the same. the way he gets long-term gain, speaking of schumer, is they get some sort of daca/border security funding deal that looks overwhelmingly favorable to democrats. you know, if you see $8 billion allocated to a border wall and some daca protections, i don't know that -- that happens

that is what chuck schumer wants. chuck schumer said, let's keep the pressure on. if you let this go for 30 days, then we're on daca. i think the critical point of this is the democrats are sotomayso emboldened. everybody is playing base politics in this. you saw john tester yesterday from the state of montana. very red state. not going along with this. so the democrats the republicans thought they could depend on, they cannot depend on it. >> just to be precise, the republicans control the house of representatives where there is a simple majority, but the republicans don't control the senate when it comes to this legislation. they only have 51 republican senators. they need 60 under the rules of the u.s. senate. they don't have 60 unless they include something, presumably, on the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> yeah, but you know, these 12 democrats they need, they're not going to get. they've got to sweeten it and they have to know for sure that the president means this. it's not going to shift, it's not going to change. this d.r.e.a.m.er issue is not just a piece of legislati

chuck schumer is talking with jeff flake. while garret was talking chuck schumer emerged from the republican cloakroom. at the bottom of your screen with his back to you is lindsey graham who's been involved in the talks all night. so this is right now kind of how a bill becomes or more appropriately doesn't become law. you are watching your u.s. senate at work, and to many of you some of the faces you see bernie sanders, the independent who caucuses with the democrats, some of the faces will be familiar. but also it should be noted schumer is still over in the republican side of the well of the senate. that is for the lack of a better ter term, enemy territory for him. he's talking to jeff flake like he's going to meander back to the left side. we have not seen mitch mcconnell yet. and we are now in the process of zeroing in on the clerk of the senate. i think that was a brave try to try to zero in on linda graham. so there is a schumer in the foreground going back up the democratic side. jeff, can you add anything from over

that being chuck schumer. what do we know about this last-minute meeting between president trump and minority leader? >> we know that in just about's last hour, david, president trump reached out to senator schumer, the leader of senate democrats, invited him to the white house. senator schumer is now here. my colleague hallie jackson saw him just outside the west wing. asked if he might be able to broker some sort of deal, too void a government shutdown. the response from senator schumer is, i hope so. what's interesting about this is just earlier, just a few hours ago, we heard from a couple of white house officials, including mick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget. he was preemptively shoveling blame for this shutdown that hasn't happened yet onto democrats saying they haven't been specific about just what they want. we know they want a deal to enshrine daca protections into law. but he said beyond that, no real legislative text. take a look. >> the bill simply is not ready. you

chuck schumer, senator chuck schumer leaving the white house moments ago after a meeting with the president. the two of them met together, they're trying to come up with solution of impending government shutdown scheduled to happen in less than 10 hours. nine hours and 40 minutes. this after the white house branded a shutdown, quote, a schumer shutdown. i'm sure chuck schumer loved that. we'll bring you details on the meeting. he is leaving the white house there. markets are taking this all in stride. we'll tell you. we're down about 12 points. they don't really care on the dow. s&p higher, new all-time high, 2805. nasdaq index up 33. another high there. they're on track, he have one to close in record territory while ibm and american express are weighing on the dow today. kingsview asset management chief scott martin joins me with more. scott, what is the overall view of things right now? does the shutdown matter in terms of this market? >> i really don't believe it does, trish. that's a great thing for you at home pause the government, i think in some cases especially the left here, would

neil: put yourself in chuck schumer's position, robin. he now has been shutdown schumer, i'm sure he doesn't appreciate that. but equally convinced, that republicans having the rule in washington would get the blame for this. i'm not so sure he's right about that. but having said that, that it's in his interest, not to have this pinned on him, especially if it looks, just looks that he is more interested in defending the rights of illegals than he is in avoiding a shutdown that could effect legals. what do you think? >> nancy pelosi had the big thing yesterday where she brought out a whole bunch of dreamers. that was a big live stream event. thousands and thousands of views. that was important, impactful. but like i said before, this would not benefit either party for the government to shut down. i have every faith they'll be able to come together on something. i just know that they are very adamant that the lives of these dreamers are not a playing chip to be played with here. we're not going to budge on that. i just know that. i can pro

chuck schumer, come over, let's have a sit-down. >> chuck schumer, chuck schumer's chief of staff and john kelly the only ones in a white house. >> shepard: in the room at least. >> in the room with the president. in accounting there's a thing called lyfo, a cost flow accounting in. last in, first out. this is what the republicans in the senate and the house are worried about. the last word in to talk to the president will be the first decision by the president made. last person that will have influence with the president now decides. so the republican leadership is saying, now what? is there going to be a schumer-trump agreement as a result of this conversation and perhaps additional ones before midnight tonight similar to what happened in september when the president decided to reach an agreement with the democrats over the debt ceiling. much to the chagrin of republicans. so when you ask who is it that we should be watching for, which direction this is going to go, it's donald trump. where he decides to take it, the leadership in the republican party will likely fall into place as

schumer, mcconnell putting it squarely on chuck schumer that he was frying to appease a portion of the base by not agreeing to the senate measure to keep the government running without the issue of immigration, let me bring in my panel now to discuss this government shutdown and the 1:00 a.m. scheduled culture vote. later on ryan nobles back with me, i'm also joined by amy parnes, and the political reporter for the washington examiner. thanks to all of you for being with me. ryan, let me begin with you, this very impassioned, very terse plea being made by the senate majority leader today. >> to get into the weeds of how the legislative process works here in washington. he's not asking them to vote for the bill, he's just asking them to lift the filibuster. this med sure needs 60 votes because democrats have used that filibuster option to require those 60 votes. and mcconnell raises an important point here, there are enough votes for the simple majority. but the one piece of leverage that the democrats have is this filibuster option and they have chosen to continue to deploy that option

chuck schumer said he will vote for the bill. i suspect a number of democratic senators will go along with that. although it will be easy to vote know if they know that a have been nine in place, so it is politically advantageous for even though it is a meaningless vote. you may see a handful to vote no, but rest assured there will be enough democrats to get through. >> was easier for congress to negotiate now that president trump be away for a few days? >> somewhat argue you should stay there for more than a couple of days. yes. forink it will be easier congress to negotiate a bill. they ultimately will have to get that thelution president will sign. as democrats leadership have suggested, it is hard to pin him down on what he will and will not approve of. that will be the challenge. how will the president's been this? he surely will. >> he will probably say they held firm to not negotiate on the context of the spending bill, which was his argument and the republican leadership argument all along. to that extent, yes, he can say

that being chuck schumer. what do we know about this last-minute meeting between president trump and minority leader? >> we know that in just about's last hour, david, president trump reached out to senator schumer, the leader of senate democrats, invited him to the white house. senator schumer is now here. my colleague hallie jackson saw him just outside the west wing. asked if he might be able to broker some sort of deal, too void a government shutdown. the response from senator schumer is, i hope so. what's interesting about this is just earlier, just a f

i do, though, think this is a big risk for chuck schumer. running in your direction e is clearly for midterms. why risk disturbing that when actually your caucus is, if you look at it, objectively forcing a shutdown of the government? and codifying daca is definitely very popular. shutting down the government to try to force the codification of daca, as a cnn poll showed today, is not necessarily very popular. and people are almost always irritated by shutdowns, and you know, starting tonight if nothing gets done, the blame game will begin. >> to piggyback on that comment, look, as a republican campaign operative, i don't want the government to shutdown down, but i actually like we're having a policy fight because these are policy fights that we win. we're talking about taxes, if we're talking about immigration, in fact, in these senate states, we're not talking about tweets and we're not talking about a book and those sorts of things. this is the zone. what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer will bring to congress is exactly what republicans wa

let's go to chuck schumer. sen. schumer: after midnight last night, after a lot of a finalo negotiate jeffrey american people, republicans in congress plunged headfirst into the trump shut down. how did we get here? why is it republicans and president trump are unwilling to do the jobs they were elected to do?

that's why i think chuck schumer new this was the schumer shutdown. president trump stared him down. now we will talk about a real debate. they've got to be worried whether they can win that debate, too. they had to decide which part of their base they are going to cater to whereas president trump and republicans -- trump taught republicans how to fight. where will democrats be? >> sandra: our producer on capitol hill just writing that we are now waiting for senator corker to vote to reopen the government. senator mccain should be the only absence when they close. >> pete: bob corker, former republican. >> sandra: they've gotten the vote they need, the government will reopen. >> the crisis is over, everybody, it's going to be oka okay. >> pete: you can call the agriculture department and they will answer their phone. a procedural vote to end debate, they will vote again on something that only needs 51 votes. they will go back to the house, who knows how long that will actually happen. >> katie: i do think it's worth pointing out how the trump administ

this is chuck schumer 2013. this is ridiculous. i don't think they knew what they were getting themselves into. i'm not really sure. we're saying open the government. we'll get back to the negotiations. we were already underway they blew up when the government shut down. ainsley: they're making it about politics, instead of thinking about what is best are to the citizens of this country. flip over to other networks, oh, this is the president's fault, this is republicans fault, because republicans have the house and republicans have the senate. they're not saying they need the 60 votes. what is your reaction to that? >> that's it, ainsley. they're counting on confusion. people casually paying attention. oh the president is republican. house is controlled by republicans. senate is marginally controlled by republicans. what is really the fact is, they're using the filibuster to shut down the government. so a minority in the senate, the senate democrats are using their filibuster to shut down the government. let me say it really clearl

of the united states, only chuck schumer and some of his key folks. republicans are wondering what went down. democrats are wondering what went down in that meeting. a lot of people are wondering what went down. we're less than eight hours away from a potential government shut down since 2013. it lasted two weeks and there was concern that it would hurt republicans that were deemed to be at fault for it. the next year, they capitalized in big mid-term wins. that was then, this is now. could be a different environment. to peter doocy on capitol hill with the very, very latest. peter? >> neil, the very latest is that right when schumer got back from that white house meeting that no republican lawmakers were present. he invited nancy pelosi and dick durbin to his office to go over everything that he and the president talked about. at this point, every senate democrat is still saying they will vote no on this continuing resolution to fund the government for a month unless they are also given a vote on a law that would protect daca recipients. some senator

president -- >> there you heard senate minority leader chuck schumer. betsy woodruff of the daily beast, betsy, when you put the rhetoric and tone of things from paul ryan first of all, and then mitch mcconnell, and then chuck schumer, invoking the president and what he said to these leaders yesterday, it would seem we're at an extraordinary impasse and this is going to be a shutdown government for a while. >> i think that's right. there are very few indicators that negotiates are making serious progress on fixing this problem. one line that will echo in the coming days is that negotiating with president trump is like negotiating with jell-o. that's something we've been hearing since he entered the oval office, that trump tends to make promises and then just not follow through on them, that he's highly suggestible, that he tends to support whatever the last idea he heard was, that he changes his mind rapidly and in ways that are unpredictable. obviously that would make it really challenging for democrats or congressional republicans in some cases to get

chuck schumer wanted to really push this negotiation towards dacca they're really looking to establish a base for twenty eighty and to also pressure the president in trying to bend just a little bit on dakka at this moment but the president faced a real tough first to go she should because when they really take out the wall that's a battle best alternative to walk away and so when president trump was campaigning and he was campaigning for every forty eight hours to ten thousand people he was just simply say that you know we got to build a wall or else and so that's going to be a no deal if that doesn't happen the place that's really how we got ok and so forth and suppose it's rare to have a shutdown when the the president his his his policy controls both chambers the congress the house and the senate is it a defining political divide over us to came paul is the main reason why we got to this point of a shutdown. i think it is quite rare and i think therefore that pushes the responsibility for the final decision to shut down towards the dominant party and the dominant party in this case

the president tweelted cryin' chuck schumer fully understands

here's chuck schumer. speak of the bottom line is very simple, our leader, our republican leader has said that he will not negotiate until he knows where president trump stands. that's why negotiations haven't gotten anywhere. i'm not trying to play for political points. even false ones. i am trying to get us to come together on a bipartisan nature. to get something done. >> sandra: president trump 20, "the government spending bill passed last night in the house of representatives. now democrats are needing it is to pass in the senate, but they want illegal immigration and weak order. shutdown coming? winning more republican victories in 2018." the president is delaying his planned trip to florida for the weekend until after he signs a temporary spending bill. marc short is driving paul ryan's point home. >> appears senate democrats are going to force a shutdown. i think there's honestly a lot of hypocrisy in this town. >> sandra: still getting choked up there. there is the chief congressional corresponden

we'll take you to chuck schumer live after a quick break. hi i'm joan lunden. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros >>> straight to the senate democratic leader chuck schumer. >> thank you, mr. president. now, today, we drink seltzer. today we enter the third day of the trump shutdown. the first ever real shutdown to occur when one party controls the entire legislative process. the republican party controls the house, the senate, the presidency, and yet they were unable to keep the government open for the american people. leader mcconnell knows it takes 60 votes to win passage of a spending bill, and yet he moved forward with a last-minute extension that he knew lacked the votes. both democrats and republicans voted against that bill. the reason the republican majority had such difficulty finding consensus is they could never get a firm grip on what the president of their party wanted to do. these days you never know who to deal with

two hours coming ahead as chuck -- as scott just mentioned, chuck schumer is in the oval office right now, presumably talking about the prospect of a government shutdown certainly elements in that, the children's health insurance program, daca as well. could there be a last-minute deal we'll watch that for you we've had government shutdowns before so what happens to stocks during that time? why this could be actually, folks, a good buying opportunity. and what a week it has been for the cryptos. no, those are not superheros and they have not been performing this week in any way like a superhero. what happens now after this bitcoin plunge we'll talk with a head fund emergen -- manager who is sticking by his opinion. a boxed "power lunch" starts right now. >>> tyler, maybe we should call it tales from the cryptos. you're welcome america is staring at a government shutdown but investors taking it in stride, because you smart cnbc viewers know it doesn't hold stocks. they are down, but they are on track for another winning week three dow stocks in focus for the opposite reason, however, i

negotiate but it's not just chuck schumer who feels that way. so too does jeff flake. take a look at what he had to say. >> my frustration is that we don't regard our prerogative to legislate and we can't anymore say we'll only move forward if the president moves forward. this president has changed his mind several times and i'll say that. >> so as it stands at the moment, we're in the middle of a war of political messaging. you have democrats saying republicans are using children as a bargaining chip to entice democrats to sell out d.r.e.a.m.ers and then you have republicans say democrats care more about illegal immigrants than they do about the military. as evidence of that, take a look at that this tweet from president trump. democrats are for more concerned with immigrants than they are our military or safety. they could have made a deal but decided to play shutdown politics instead. #we need more republicans in '18 to power through this mess. you have republicans saying they're not going to negotiate immigration while the government is shut

chuck schumer has since arrived back at the u.s. capitol. john bennett mentioned the possible statement from chuck schumer's office. we'll look for that sabrina sadiqi who covers the capitol or the "guardian quats tweeting saying schumer saying we made some progress but we still have a good number of disagreements. the discussion will continue. hopefully we'll see something from schumer soon either written or on camera. we're coming up on nine hours away from a shutdown. if no deal at the white house expect the senate to set a cloture vote to end debate on house-passed c.r. that could prompt horse trading late. we'll keep you posted on live briefings and live coverage of the senate on c-span2 and any house coverage will be here on c-span. as we wait for additional developments we're going to show you the senate coming into session today, 11:00 a.m. eastern, the opening comments from the majority leader and from the democratic whip, mitch mcconnell first, then senator dick durbin. esident, the deadlid the government is nearly upon

so chuck schumer made this decision. something he once said was keeping - - taking people hostage for years ago when there was a shutdown. he is doing it now. it is so needless because i tell you what julie, if you had any democrat and asked them, what do you object to in this continuing resolution to keep the government open? they can't point to anything in it that they object to. what they object to is something that is not in it and that is the fate of 700,000 young illegal immigrants. what chuck schumer is doing is, these illegal immigrants are more important than 2 million men and women in harm's way that where our nations uniform were told today, report for duty but chuck schumer is taking you off the payroll. that is not right. the more the american people learn about this, they will be outraged. >>julie: federal agencies began shutting down for the first time in four years. it is up to the senators now to stop this madness. i want to play a quick tape from house minority leader - - and have your reaction. >> your

host: michael has the same tweet chuck schumer looking forward to the next chuck schumer lookid to the next election. guest: to the broader point about what happens going into the next election cycle out of ofs, this is only the first three crises this year. we do think that a lapse in appropriation in january is one thing. and members of congress and trump have to increase the debt limit this year. and the regular fiscal year ends up september 30. going, i don't think we can automatically assume that it will going, i d't think we can automatically assume that it will be smooth sailing for raising the debt limit or that we won't, somehow as crazy as it sounds, that we might risk having another government shutdown one month before election day. which seems implausible except the things have gotten so unpredictable that if you do have the minority leader in the senate saying that they are houseating with the white being like negotiating with a bowl house being like negotiating with a bowl of jell-o then i don't really know where this ends. host: let's go to anhost: let'n. go ahead. calle

but he as to call chuck schumer. the only way to get this resolved is if chuck schumer and the president cuts a deal. >> and he goes ahead and tells what he did -- he'll take the heat and sell it and get it going. listen to schumer, jackie, because he was very, very specific in saying what it's like to negotiate with the president. >> negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jell-o. it's next to impossible. as soon as you take one step forward, the hard right forces the president three steps back. >> and even the republican leader, the majority leader mitch mcconnell said he earlier in -- last week, he didn't know precisely where the president stands. as a result, couldn't make a deal. >> i think you can boil this down to one word and that's trust. very little trust between schumer and trump, mcconnell and trump. look at what happened in the intervening hours when schumer talks to the president and then today there was this -- it can only be called an outrageous press release that went out from the

placing the blame on chuck schumer. democrats point to pulling that came out early in the week from park research associates, that is a well-respected polling firm. what was interesting is it looked at the 12 senate battleground states and it found that in those states, the states that decide the majority of in , a plurality of voters, i have a sampling of trump's voters say they would view the republicans is more to blame for the shutdown, something 40 something percent to 30 something percent. a poll also shows that there is strong support amongst republicans, democrats, protectings for dreamers from deportation, 81%. the democrats were pointing to that poll earlier in the week. a were also pointing to another poll, abc news, "washington post" said 80% would blame republicans, only 20% would lame democrats, so that's a big advantage there, but i still thek mitch mcconnell and republicans are feeling pretty confident in their own republican hand. nationally at this point in the game, republicans make get the blame in t

this was a democratic shut down and think the president would have said to chuck schumer and chuck schumer would've recognized over the last three days that unlike previous shutdowns, the democrats were starting to get blamed for this. the trump administration was very clever in the way this shutdown was managed. instead of doing what president obama did which was to make it as painful as possible in shutting world war ii veterans out of out of the world war ii memorial and things which were visible and kind of harsh, you have the administration this time i think there was a story about the interior secretary actually picking up trash and they were going to keep the parks open and so i think the republicans were being seen as more reasonable on this and the democrats were seen as attaching a completely unrelated immigration reform to the government spending bill. >> harris: i talk about the president's participation and i think it works in this way as well. it can be a tweet but that 51% threat of a nuclear option for the senate, he wasn't telling them to do with that he did in a tweet whi

i think chuck schumer got a real lesson in legislative politics in real-time. it was frankly played out in an embarrassing fashion. it was that he went into this, very responsive to a liberal bias that one to shut down the government and once he got to the precipice of doing that, couldn't turn back. he got over the ledge and all your negotiating power goes away. at the end of the day, that discussion was about whether or not it was appropriate to take away government services for all of the americans across the country, defense, children's health care, you name it in order to deal with the issue of illegal immigration that dealt with people who would like to become americans. >> harris: this issue is more about the legality of things. that's a hard argument to make in the midst of a shutdown. you can make it across the aisle and that's what they say they can do in a bipartisan matter and outside of that. be five feinstein argues that they attached it to this so would be a must pass by again, democrats are completely out of touch with the american people on how

so he brings in chuck schumer. they have the outlines of a deal. >> uh-huh. >> and guess what happens? the staff kills it again, which leads "the new york times" to report, both sides have reasons to be confused. each time mr. trump is edged towards compromise with democrats he has been reigned in by his own staff. the result has been a paralysis not only at the white house but on capitol hill. and mika, this is what has led to the shutdown and also i've got to be confused. maybe it's just me. maybe i'm just a dumb country lawyer, but it sure does seem to me when i hear paul ryan and republicans talking about how democrats are trying to hold health care for poor children hostage and then you have a democrat go on the floor say, hey, i'm calling for unanimous consent, let's vote and let's pass c.h.i.p. today and let's give health care to the poorest children in america. >> right. >> it's the republicans who immediately object. and they won't let democrats put that on the bill. republicans are concerned about what th

we're going to show you the chuck schumer -- schumer that chuck schumer doesn't want you to see. that's after this ooooooh snap!! every truck guy has their own way of conveying powerful. yeeaaahhh boy. kind of looks like a monster coming to eat ya. holy smokes. that is awesome. strong. you got the basic, and you got the beefy. i just think it looks mean. incredible. no way. start your year off strong a new chevy truck. get a total value of over $9,600 on this silverado all star when you finance with gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. >> liberals and a lot of democrats are furious with you right now. what's your response to all of that anger? >> well, look, i've advanced the cause. most people do understand. most of the democrats here on capitol hill perfectly understand. we don't have the levers of power. all of us in the democratic caucus not just the moderates but the liberals as well came to the view that if we carried it on much longer, two things would happen. a, no one would budge. the public would lose support of the shutdown. people love the dreamers

chuck schumer. he suffered a crushing defeat trying to bring the country to its knees siding with illegals over americans and our troops and sick kids. and now he has the guts to come before the american public and say there is no offer for the wall. the majority of americans believe that comprehensive immigration is needed but that includes first and foremost securing our borders. >> sandra: richard, do you believe that democrats, particularly chuck schumer, do you believe he is coming to the negotiating table and attempting to act in good faith? >> i think chuck schumer is coming to negotiating table understanding he needs to get a deal for the 800,000 dreamers in this country who came to this country no fault of their own. some at the age of 2 or 3 that can't form criminal intent when their parents crossed the border with them. because of that why there is some leverage for the president to get democrats to likely vote on a wall. we saw chicago congressman gutierrez say he would be willing to com

what chuck schumer said. schumer at least three times or possibly four referred to this as the trump shutdown which is now trending on social media. as you know the president and the administration have called it the schumer shutdown for a while now, he's saying that the only person that can be blamed now is the president. he says something that's interesting that he thought they would come to some osort of dea. he said the president called him up and invited him to the white house and had a productive meeting and in the spirit of bipartisan and giving something and he said he everyone put the border wall on the table everyone though democrats did not want to go that far and the president rejected that. so i think that's important to point out in our conversation as we continue because you know the blame game is going to go around and we'll assess this to try to figure out what happened and how we got to this point. i want to bring in our expert here phil mattingly who's watching this and jeff that's watching

chuck schumer on a day of finger-pointing and name-calling. welcome to a saturday addition of "washington today" here on c-span radio. who will make the next move? the white house and congressional leaders say they want a solution, but house republicans say they will not negotiate on immigration policy. that has been a key sticking point for democrats. the house and senate will continue weekend sessions. the president remaining at the white house, and parts of the federal government is shut down. joining us is alex bolton, from "the hill." who are you talking to and what are you hearing? to senatorstalking of both parties who are having meetings on the side away from the leadership to try and figure out whether they can present a proposal that would have a strong majority in the senate to reopen the government. there was a meeting a little while ago convened by senator susan collins in her office. ofwas attended by a number senators on both sides of the aisle. joe manchin, the democratic aderate from west virginia, state from one by 32 points,

that's the message from chuck schumer. the scene was this. two old friends, two new yorkers, one, a senator, a democrat turned

he stayed overnight and had chuck schumer one-on-one in the oval office yesterday. schumer emerged making hopeful sounds and telling people that there was progress in negotiations. the rug pulled out from under him and phone calls with the president and chief of staff john kelly later on friday. here we are with an impasse, government shutdown now seven hours old. >> thank you for that from capitol hill. >>> let's bring in deputy news editor and sean sullivan. good morning to you both. ladies first, start with you. is this shutdown mostly about politics and not policy in which party will tick a bigger political hit on this? does that hit have staying power for ten months to the mid terms? >> we can see it is about policy when you consider that democrats really drew a hard line on the daca deal. it had bipartisan support. lindsey graham voted against this. we see how trump and john kelly and steven miller are drawing conservative hard lines on immigration saying this is not part of this right now. there is a little bit of politics. we see that this morning when he is

we heard from chuck schumer this morning. he said, quite frank ly, a lot f the same things he said on the senate floor last night, that the president is an unreliable negotiator, comparing him to jell-o. i should amend my words a little bit. the president and the white house seem to be two distinct negotiating entities from the pective of capitol hill. the president said one thing, as chk humer tells it, in their lunch meeting and then the president, according to john kelly, said something different by the afternoon. the white house is unreliable in this negotiation. on the other hand they're saying the only way to get anything resolved is for the president to come to the table. that just muddies the wiaters o how to get out of all of this. i'll show you what paul ryan had to say and we'll discuss it. >> shut down the government on a bill they have no issues with. they oppose a bill they don't even oppose. we do some crazy things in washington, but this is utter madness. >> so the house speaker there channeling the sense of f

chuck schumer played that one more time, tried to get donald trump onboard and it blew up. i think the real story is the republicans who may have decided they don't work for donald trump, they're elected officials and representatives and willing to go ahead in policymaking in this area and i would say in other areas going forward without waiting for the trump white house to give them guidance, which you can't depend on the trump white house to do. so i think this could be a big moment in the liberation of congress and particularly some of the republican members of congress from the trump white house? >> bill, wouldn't that be stunning? many people voted for president trump because they thought they would get a business minded pragmatic leader who could deal with both sides. and now at this historic moment that you believe we're on the precipice of we could end up seeing guys like mitch mcconnell find their way to the middle while the president's holed up in the white house with an empty desk holding a phone taking pictures saying i'm working real hard. >> stephanie, step ba

and the president inviting democrat chuck schumer to the white house. what schumer revealed right after. one republican aide telling abc, "we're terrified trump is going to hose us." >>> inside the courtroom tonight, one of america's olympic stars face to face with doctor larry nassar, saying, quote, the tables have turned, larry. and what she said next. >>> the deadly flu. the 8-year-old girl who died just hours after arriving at the hospital. the 27-year-old who went home from urgent care, and then died. and can you catch the flu from simply breathing in the air? >>> new tonight, the las vegas massacre. what the girlfriend has now revealed. and never-before-seen pictures from inside the hotel room. >>> the parents charged. their 13 children allegedly held captive. tonight, the images you have not seen inside one of the homes where they lived. >>> and blown away. multiple passenger jets, planes coming in sideways, trying to land in 70 mile-an-hour winds. >>> good evening and it's great to have you with us and we begin with those high stakes negotiation

and that is a real squeeze for chuck schumer. between the progressive bhoz are already running for president and the guys he needs to keep and fight for a majority. >> my be is chuck schumer is willing to take bullets for claire mccaskill and donnelly. but we'll see. to the other side of pennsylvania avenue. thank you, kasie. calle, the ocean air of mar-a-largo, jet fumes of air force one. >> saying donald trump. >> is it going to lure him into cutting -- giving schumer something to sort of split the difference here. >> reporter: so here is the thing. and i think you are right. donald trump wants to be in mar-a-largo to celebrate his inauguration. but i think more than that, too, is the understanding that a shutdown, a government shutdown on the anniversary of the inauguration is -- it is on the inauguration day, if it goes into tomorrow and the government does shutdown, is just bad optics for donald trump. no matter how you cut it and no matter how the white house said it is democrat's fault and the clip from 2013 in which the p

a lot of attention on senator chuck schumer tonight. the republicans have called this the schumer shutdown. schumer in his speech after the vote failed talked about it's all on the president's shoulder and that's where the blame should fall. >> schumer is right. all he has done for the last weeks and renewing those efforts today was trying to find a deal. >>> trying to make a deal this afternoon. during the meeting, an exchange for strong daca protections, i reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion. even that was not enough to entice the president to finish the deal. in the room, it sounded like the president was open to accept it. this afternoon, in my heart, i felt we might have a deal to want. that was how far we had come. that's how positive our discussion felt. he did not press his party in congress to accept it. if you're the democratic leader and you walk out of the oval office thinking you have a deal with the president of the united states and a few hours later his chief of staff calls you and says the deal i

a lot of attention on senator chuck schumer tonight. the republicans have called this the schumer shutdown. schumer in his speech after the vote failed talked about how this is all on the president's shoulders and that's where the blame should fall. what does schumer have to do now? >> well schumer's absolutely right. all senator schumer has done for the last weeks and, you know, renewed -- renewing those efforts today was trying to find a deal. he went to the white house personally and thought that he had a deal. you know, he walked out of the oval office thinking that he had a deal with the president of the united states. >> let me just interrupt you, adam, because for our viewers who hadn't heard him say that, let's actually just play senator schumer talking about what happened when he was in the president's office trying to make a deal this afternoon. >> during the meeting, in exchange for strong daca protections, i reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion. even that was not enough to entice the president to finis

chuck schumer used jell-o. that's another way of saying jell-o. >> it seems a lot of senators know about jell-o. >> the first problem in the government shut down you get to be dull. >> welcome back to kasie dc. live tonight from capitol hill. we moved from the studio a couple of blocks over because the federal government is shut down. and at this hour, lawmakers are scrambling minute to minute to find a way to get it working again. i want to start with my colleague garrett who has been running through the halls all weekend with the rest of our capitol hill team. garrett, what is going on? what is the latest? we know that mcconnell and schumer met earlier. did anything come out of that? >> it's a waiting game. this they struck a deal, they're not talking about it. i have to tell you, there's a disconnect between the rank and file senators, particularly the ones who are part of that group of 20 to 25 bipartisan senators who met earlier today trying to come up with solution to this. and the leadership. at least in

apparently, the most dangerous place in washington is between chuck schumer and a camera. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> perhaps a grain of truth. now, for the benefit of posterity, that observation has been made before about phil gramm and your homeboy, arlen spector, but for some reason when senator dole uttered those words about yours truly, it stuck. senator dole, i bear you no ill will. after all, you were the one who brought c-span to the senate. i never would have found as many tv cameras without you. [ laughter ] with much of the focus today on senator dole's illustrious career in congress, his post-senate life is similarly renowned. for his organization's work over the past several years, senator dole has been recognized around the world for his efforts to combat childhood hunger and malnutrition over the course of more than four decades, senator dole never stopped serving, never stopped striving, never stopped working to make his country and his world a better place. what a legacy. senator dole has earned more than the congressional gold medal, though that he will receive, he