blink first? right now chuck schumer is meeting with the president at the white house at trump's invitation. this comes just hours after members of the administration took aim at schumer and the democrats. >> we're preparing for what will call the schumer shutdown. it will look very different than it did under the previous administration. the obama administration weapon nized the shutdown. they could have made the shutdown in 2013 much less impactful. >> as senator feinstein her position and she said if the government shuts down, people whether die. as follow-up question to how she will vote, she said she hasn't decided yet. this is not about policy, it is about politics. i don't think it is clear what the democrats are asking for. >> democrats on the hill are saying they are not shaken. >> we believe in governance, we believe in meeting the needs of american people. democrats are not about sthhuttg down government. >> we will not being bla blackm because republicans are unwilling to compromise. >> last spring president trump said our country needs a good shutdown, about will he

is meeting with the leader of the senate democrats, chuck schumer. here is the senate, arriving at the white house, just about an hour ago. and, according to a source, we learned that this is just about the president seeing what leader schumer is willing to put on the table and that no deals will be cut. that's the latest we have on this. if the government does run out of money at midnight tonight, it will fall on the one-year anniversary of president trump's inauguration. so, what's the chance of that? good question. we'll give you the shruggy emoji. nobody knows what's going to happen next. right now the blame game is at full pitch. with republicans and senate democrats, you did see the house pass cr, continuing resolution, short-term bill that would keep all of this from happening. and right now with the cr, it's with the senate side where democrats are opposing it, demanding that the issue of young, undocumented immigrants known as d.r.e.a.m.ers being addressed and their leer, chuck schumer, is facing the music. >> what we're calling the schumer shutdown. it still surprises me

end of the new spending bill takes effect. we heard from senate minority leader chuck schumer this morning on the floor before the vote. here's what he said. >> the republican leader and i have come to an arrangement. we will vote today to re-open the government to continue negotiating a global agreement with the commitment that if an agreement isn't reached by february 8th, the senate will immediately proceed to consideration of legislation dealing with daca. the process will be neutral and fair to all sides. >> you heard chuck schumer use the word "commitment." democrats trying to hold mitch mcconnell's feet to the fire saying he's made promises in front of the world on this big stage. we hope he holds firm to that. you have a lot of, of course, politics at play behind the scenes here. just talked to richard shelby. he thinks democrats over played their hand and this is the off ramp, that they didn't get much out of the deal. senator jeff flake has been key in the negotiations. he said the extra time is helpful and we hope this happens. but he said at the end of the day we have j

that the senate minority leader chuck schumer has arrived at the white house at the president's invitation to discuss this critically important situation. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell needs 60 votes to keep the federal government from running out of money at midnight tonight. but even some of the 71 republicans say they'll vote against this short-term spending bill. what would a shutdown mean? here's a closer look at some of those that would be affected. 9 million children covered under the children's health insurance program known as chip. the short-term spending bill does extend the program for six years. if it doesn't pass, chip would only be funded through march. also, 1.3 million active military duty personnel, they would continue working, of course, but they might have to work without pay since the military is currently paid only through february 1st. as many as 850,000 government employees, federal employees, could be furloughed as federal agencies are forced to shut down. most of the senate democrats already say they'll vote against the current short-term s

minority leader, chuck schumer has been talking about doing a five-day cr, an interim spending bill to keep the lights on a mcconnell said wait a minute, you're changing your position, you been saying you have to have daca attached, why are you going for that now. i asked kevin mccarthy, majority leader the house just a few minutes ago if they would try to move that through the house of representatives and he said no, that would be problematic. we are less than 12 hours right now and they are putting contingencies in operation to shut down the government. that said, if they are able to magically come up with an interim deal which sometimes happened, we been right on the press before and they pull something out, it is the weekend and so long as congress doesn't send a message to the budget director and say wait a minute were shutting down and you have a little more leeway with that on the weekend things could remain open over the weekend. if it gets really dark, i've been told by some senate leadership that they are expecting a minimum a shutdown of at least two or three days. >> the

chuck schumer. what do we know about this last-minute meeting between president trump and minority leader? >> we know that in just about's last hour, david, president trump reached out to senator schumer, the leader of senate democrats, invited him to the white house. senator schumer is now here. my colleague hallie jackson saw him just outside the west wing. asked if he might be able to broker some sort of deal, too void a government shutdown. the response from senator schumer is, i hope so. what's interesting about this is just earlier, just a few hours ago, we heard from a couple of white house officials, including mick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget. he was preemptively shoveling blame for this shutdown that hasn't happened yet onto democrats saying they haven't been specific about just what they want. we know they want a deal to enshrine daca protections into law. but he said beyond that, no real legislative text. take a look. >> the bill simply is not ready. you don't get to vote on a summary. there have been months of work on it as you see with

that the president did not share his plans with his staff before chuck schumer showed up. despite that meeting, all of them maneuvering all day, all night leading up to the ismoment, no solutions have apparently been reached. leaving the nation for the first government shutdown under unified party control ever of congress and the white house. a few moments ago if you've been watching our live coverage, you saw this moment take place. we saw chschumer and mcconnell, ranking gentlemen in both of their parties, head off the floor to it right of the main desk into the senate cloakroom. we don't know why. we don't know for how long. but the point was also made during lawrence's broadcast that for something to work at this hour, to avoid a government shout down the coordination that would be required with the house and across town at the white house would be something indeed. so you see the two leaders there talking. let's go to our correspondent on the hill, garret headache whoak working for us. >> really the only thing that logistically seems possible to do that a at this hour would b

government. sarah huckabee sanders says in a statement. we plan to take you chuck schumer. he will be briefing reporters. ,ou can see in the capital reporters are gathered. let's stay here live and wait for senator schumer. [laughter] >> we will have this live for you once senator schumer comes out. we want to bring you comments. mark meadows spoke to reporters earlier this morning. here is a look. what is leadership saying? >> we did our job in the house. at this particular point, there was a decision last night, in the senate, to to shut the government down. a government shutdown under affectnt trump will not our veterans and military the way a government shutdown did under the obama administration. it is not good. it is a serious thing. we are calling on our senate colleagues to reverse course. we provide enough votes in the house less than 48 hours ago. it is time for the janet -- the senate to do their job. daca --ration and amnesty is the number one thing, this vote -- this light in the .enate -- stop the negotiations negotiations will not go on until we open the government u

, throughout this day, anderson, even when democratic leader chuck schumer went over to the white house, it looked very much like senate democrats would stay unified and a shutdown was almost certainly going to happen. here's what's shifted over the last 30 to 45 minutes. there have been a handful of democrats, some of whom have said they're welling to vote yes with republicans on this vote would have been openly asking their members to reconsider, maybe consider other options, maybe a shorter term c.r. would be an option here. that is something i was told would be coming up in the closed door meeting going on right now. the big question given the litany of problems democrats have laid outhere,oncerns on the daca issue thatxists right now, is that any kind o resolution that democrats are looking for in is that a cheese? is that a deal? all i can say right now given the numbers issue, given the fact the senate vote will be in an hour, it's very clear that if something doesn't shift during this closed door meeting, the vote will fail, and the next steps are still very unclear. again, a la

president was doing this. they coordinated, they say with the president to invite chuck schumer to the white house. that is important because the last time a democrat and of course a republican, lindsey graham and dick durbin went to the white house it, caught some republicans off-guard. this is not a surprise to at least leadership on the senate side. where we stand, we don't know what is being discussed in the meeting to avert the shutdown. the pressure is applied on senator schumer and democrats. started on wednesday, not only president trump and people on the hill started to referring to the schumer shutdown. this website, the schumer sit-down -- shutdown. he said that the shutting down the government only creates chaos that is the what the democrats are doing. this time around the administration will not weaponize the shutdown for political gain. here is mick mulvaney. >> we are going to manage the shutdown differently. we have not going to weaponize it. we're not going to try to hurt people, especially people that work for the federal government. we still need congress to appropr

government. what we saw on friday was the president attempting to try to work with chuck schumer, i think the disappointment there is that senator schumer showed he was not an honest broker in this process. >> harris: democrats say they are eager to reach a deal with republicans, ben cardin of maryland is suggesting the president is the one in the way. >> the president has not been helpful, every opportunity where you think you are moving forward, he changes his mind after he talks to someone else on his staff. the president has not exercised the leadership he needs. >> harris: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill, lots of action today. >> no doubt about it. it's arizona senator jeff flake who was a "no" friday night says he thinks they could get the 60 votes so that something to watch. mitch mcconnell has been trying to reassure democrats that he is serious about addressing their priorities if they reopen the government. >> as long as the government remains open it would be my intention to take up legislation here in the senate that would address daca, b

minority leader chuck schumer withdrew the offer to build a border wall. it was made in last week's negotiations. the president tweelted cryin' chuck schumer fully understands

mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer are not talking to each other right now. president trump is not talking to chuck schumer right now, and if there is some sort of a ground swell that starts from the bottom part of the senate and rises to the top is not going to get in. it seems to be right now that the best prevailing option for the senate right now is to come up with yet another short-term continuing resolution, but one that would be a little bit shorter than the one that was initially passed by the house. this would be a three-week continuing resolution that ends on that 8. but there would be an agreement as to when there can be a vote on daca, those are the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers who came into the united states under no fault of their own. that continues to be the sticking point, democrats do not want to move on any kind of a continuing resolution until they get more and i can see the senate majority leader is talking and i'll send it back to you. >> day two since the democratic leader made the political calculation to do something that according to a recent survey even most d

. vonnie: chuck schumer said you will hear from us shortly. chris coons of delaware also saying that. it sounds a good deal was done and they got past the sticking point which sounds like it might be something to do with immigration. let's bring in tim o'brien. some point.at who would have had reason to fold? tim: i think both sides have reasons to fold. i think what they have to be worried about, tarred with the -- kevin is closer to that than i am. they have to find some common ground on immigration. the discussion has been divisive in part because stephen miller from the trump white house, a hardliner on immigration, has been involved with it. it is left the bad taste on the mouth of moderate republicans. shery: very interesting that you mention stephen miller. as soon as there was more concrete reason to expect a shutdown the republicans came out and started calling it the schumer shut down. is it because of these negotiations with stephen miller and divergence within the trump white house. how much blame will go to the gop and president trump himself? tim: that is yet to be seen. de

mentioned, chuck schumer is in the oval office right now, presumably talking about the prospect of a government shutdown certainly elements in that, the children's health insurance program, daca as well. could there be a last-minute deal we'll watch that for you we've had government shutdowns before so what happens to stocks during that time? why this could be actually, folks, a good buying opportunity. and what a week it has been for the cryptos. no, those are not superheros and they have not been performing this week in any way like a superhero. what happens now after this bitcoin plunge we'll talk with a head fund emergen -- manager who is sticking by his opinion. a boxed "power lunch" starts right now. >>> tyler, maybe we should call it tales from the cryptos. you're welcome america is staring at a government shutdown but investors taking it in stride, because you smart cnbc viewers know it doesn't hold stocks. they are down, but they are on track for another winning week three dow stocks in focus for the opposite reason, however, ibm down 4%. despite breaking a 22 quarter declin

leader in the senate, chuck schumer, meeting at this hour in the white house. steven dennis of bloomberg covering capitol hill tweets that the chairman of the rules committee, pete sessions, tells me they're ready to vote tonight if a new c.r. deal is reached. they're prepared to call the committee into session, asap, after they have a deal and language. he's also planning to stay this weekend if needed no word on that yet. let's show you next the briefing from senate -- from house democratic leaders that just wrapped up a short while ago and more of your input later on here on c-span. ms. pelosi: thank you for being here. i stand proudly with the democratic leadership of the house of representatives. leadership of a caucus that voted overwhelmingly and with great unity to support our values and re-- in rejecting the ill-founded republican c.r. c.r.'s are a way to develop de-bill tate government. you don't quite shut it down but you debilitate the opportunity for our country to act full force as we go into the rest of the fiscal year. so on the process, our members knew that th

from dick durbin. i want you to bring us up to date. one person not seen is chuck schumer. you had dick durbin on the floor, mitch mcconnell on the floor. chuck schumer is talking to somebody behind the scenes. somebody is working out or trying to see what the flexibility is. that may be what led to that indication from scalise there could be some procedural action on the house side, as well if the senate does do something. tell us what you know. >> reporter: yeah, i think it's increasingly clear there's two ways a shutdown gets averted. there is a deal or an off-ramp for democrats who now have drawn the line in the sand over this and have to essentially follow through on their threats to withhold votes if they don't get a deal on daca. i did have this conversation just a few minutes ago with lindsey graham. he painted a different picture of the way this gets done. that's that this is a question of presidential leadership. at the end of the day, it will come down to the president of the united states being willing to lead in a big picture and in a more macro sense, make a decision what

chuck schumer 2013. this is ridiculous. i don't think they knew what they were getting themselves into. i'm not really sure. we're saying open the government. we'll get back to the negotiations. we were already underway they blew up when the government shut down. ainsley: they're making it about politics, instead of thinking about what is best are to the citizens of this country. flip over to other networks, oh, this is the president's fault, this is republicans fault, because republicans have the house and republicans have the senate. they're not saying they need the 60 votes. what is your reaction to that? >> that's it, ainsley. they're counting on confusion. people casually paying attention. oh the president is republican. house is controlled by republicans. senate is marginally controlled by republicans. what is really the fact is, they're using the filibuster to shut down the government. so a minority in the senate, the senate democrats are using their filibuster to shut down the government. let me say it really clearly, we saw this last night at about midnight, we know there are

the top senate democrat, chuck schumer, to talk with just hours to go until a possible show down. we'll look at where that show down stands right now. what a show down could mean for the country, the military, for your money. let's get to it. and first from the fox news deck, progress made, work to do. that's the message from chuck schumer. the scene was this. two old friends, two new yorkers, one, a senator, a democrat turned republican from queens, now the president together in the white house trying to keep the government from shutting down. the trump-schumer sit-down is officially over and we just got a brief statement from the senator. >> we had a long and detailed meeting. we discussed all of the major outstanding issues. we made some progress. we still have a good number of problems. discussions will continue. >> that's it. discussions continue so far. we're told the president invited leader schumer after a season senate source told fox news expect a shut down. if lawmakers fight over the budget and immigration over dreamers and daca, there seems to be one area in which th

d.r.e.a.m.ers. meanwhile democrats are on the pr offensive. we saw chuck schumer any number of times yesterday trying to say that president trump is unreliable as a negotiator. senator schumer saying negotiating with president trump, remember he sat down with him for lunch on friday, he says that negotiation is like trying to negotiate with jello. a democratic senator from illinois had this to say about president trump. >> i will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five deferment draft dodger. and i have a message for cadet bone spurs. if you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting kim jong-un into a war that would put 85,000 american troops and innocent civilians in danger. >> calling president trump cadet bone spurs for his five medical deferments for the vietnam war draft. there's talk of a three week tipping resolution to, yes, kick the can down the road until february 8th. democrats say they are not going to go along with that either unless there is that legislation included that addresses the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> sounds lying we all ne-- lik need to settle in f

they are standing their ground. here's chuck schumer. speak of the bottom line is very simple, our leader, our republican leader has said that he will not negotiate until he knows where president trump stands. that's why negotiations haven't gotten anywhere. i'm not trying to play for political points. even false ones. i am trying to get us to come together on a bipartisan nature. to get something done. >> sandra: president trump 20, "the government spending bill passed last night in the house of representatives. now democrats are needing it is to pass in the senate, but they want illegal immigration and weak order. shutdown coming? winning more republican victories in 2018." the president is delaying his planned trip to florida for the weekend until after he signs a temporary spending bill. marc short is driving paul ryan's point home. >> appears senate democrats are going to force a shutdown. i think there's honestly a lot of hypocrisy in this town. >> sandra: still getting choked up there. there is the chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel in the middle of it all. >> th

or six more democrats to go into chuck schumer and say, we've had enough. is that math right? >> yes, i think that math is right, and my impression, although i haven't actually explicitly talked enough to eno get it to 60, my impression is it will pass with a healthy majority or supermajority, that it will be beyond 60. >> dana bash is going to stay with us. as we watch, we're waiting for the senate to start the vote. we'll keep it on the screen and take you there when the vote starts. let's go to jeff zeleny. jeff, a simple question right here. we've had a united states government shutdown. we are two and a half days into that shutdown and we've not had one public appearance by the president of the united states. now it appears we're poised to end that shutdown with no meetings with the president or key people involved. how can they explain the so-called great deal maker hasn't been present? >> no doubt the president has been on the sidelines with the exception of being on the phones and talking to republicans in the last 24 to 36 hours. he has been absent. i'm told by a white house

compensation and not appropriations but we got here because. chuck schumer wanted to really push this negotiation towards dacca they're really looking to establish a base for twenty eighty and to also pressure the president in trying to bend just a little bit on dakka at this moment but the president faced a real tough first to go she should because when they really take out the wall that's a battle best alternative to walk away and so when president trump was campaigning and he was campaigning for every forty eight hours to ten thousand people he was just simply say that you know we got to build a wall or else and so that's going to be a no deal if that doesn't happen the place that's really how we got ok and so forth and suppose it's rare to have a shutdown when the the president his his his policy controls both chambers the congress the house and the senate is it a defining political divide over us to came paul is the main reason why we got to this point of a shutdown. i think it is quite rare and i think therefore that pushes the responsibility for the final decision to shut down

know chuck schumer after meeting the president at the invitation of the president of the united states, only chuck schumer and some of his key folks. republicans are wondering what went down. democrats are wondering what went down in that meeting. a lot of people are wondering what went down. we're less than eight hours away from a potential government shut down since 2013. it lasted two weeks and there was concern that it would hurt republicans that were deemed to be at fault for it. the next year, they capitalized in big mid-term wins. that was then, this is now. could be a different environment. to peter doocy on capitol hill with the very, very latest. peter? >> neil, the very latest is that right when schumer got back from that white house meeting that no republican lawmakers were present. he invited nancy pelosi and dick durbin to his office to go over everything that he and the president talked about. at this point, every senate democrat is still saying they will vote no on this continuing resolution to fund the government for a month unless they are also given a vote on

, to chuck schumer, everyone, he's now on the floor, let's take a listen to what he's saying. >> my republican friends speak often of the damage done to our military by lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution. we democrats agree. that's why we offered secretary mattis his full budget request, something i offered yesterday in the white house to president trump as well. my republican friends know that we have to stop these crs and it's time to actually do a budget and fully fund our military. we can't forget about urgent domestic priorities in the budget. but military has to be given the certainty it needs. this is one of the main reasons the bipartisan coalition last night rejected the house cr, because of the damage that secretary mattis has said it does to the military. another reason we rejected it was because it was constructed without an ounce of democratic input. and i suspect very little input from many republicans in the senate. in our democracy, you have to compromise if you wish to govern. what's how our founding fathers designed our government to opera

not changed. thatd hear that on the day chuck schumer went to the white house, had lunch with president trump and started to hammer out a deal, that the terms that were discussed did not apply a few hours later. it is one of the reasons why senate democrats decided to unanimously withhold their votes from the continuing resolution. potentially, even though chuck schumer offered some nominal funding for the border wall in that meeting, by the end of the afternoon, it was not enough for the white house. host: the republican argument, we are giving you a six-year funding for the chip program. this is a clean cr. the docket issue does not face a debt -- daca issue does not face a deadline until march. why are democrats doing this now? guest: there is a site -- sarah: there is a saying that when the train leaves the town, this is your best opportunity. they -- they're negotiation is strengthened when it is attached to the spending bill because they have the pressure of the government shutdown. there is a risk that republicans will take the blame even the republicans voted for the s

rhetoric coming from the senate minority leader chuck schumer who lamented having to negotiate with president trump throughout this process. something he describes as a moving target. >> negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jell-o. it's next to impossible. as soon as you take one step forward, the hard right forces the president three steps back. now, i want to say, i don't have the personal animus that a lot of my colleagues have towards the president. we're both blunt and direct. i agree with him vehemently on just about every issue but at least we can talk to one another. but it's next to impossible to strike a deal with the president because he can't stick to the terms. i have found this out. leader mcconnell has found this out. speaker ryan has found this out. so here we are on the first anniversary of the president's inauguration, mired in the trump shutdown. >> now, lawmakers up here do have a proposal for a three week spending bill, one week shorter than the four-week spending bill on the table that the white house and republicans are coming around. one

mcconnell and democratic leader chuck schumer have just spoken after a vote on a bill to continue the government funding failed. held open for nearly two hours as senators appeared to continue negotiations. we saw mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer leave the senate chambers and come back. then, this moment got the attention of reporters when chuck schumer and republican senator lindsey graham who both voted no tonight, possibly fist bumped each other. the senate vote ended. still voting on a procedure motion to move towards a vote on a spending bill that will keep the government functioning or at least give the government money until february 8. after the first vote failed, senator mitch mcconnell spoke and not surprisingly blamed the shutdown on democrats. >> what we have just witnessed on the floor was to shove aside millions of americans for irresponsible political gains. we'll vote again so the american people knows who stands for them. when our friends across the aisle remember who it is they actually represent, we'll be ready to come together in a bipartisan discussion that w

trump slamming senate minority leader chuck schumer this morning for backing out of a proposed deal on daca and the border wall. if there ever was a deal in the first place. >> sandra: peter doocy is live on capitol hill this morning. peter, what is the president's problem with chuck schumer this morning? >> his problem is that the minority leader, chuck schumer, is threatening to take away a must have from president trump and that is the border wall. so now the president has responded on twitter. he writes this, crying chuck schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, if there is no wall, there is no daca. we must have safety and security together with the strong military for our great people. schumer has been putting a lot of pressure on republicans here in the senate. now threatening to make mitch mcconnell's life very difficult if he softens his commitment to advance a daca fix before those people brought to the country illegally as kids face deportation. schumer's preference is by february 8th. >> we've gotten a commitment from senator mcconnell, but he

chuck schumer has arrived at the white house. at the president's invitation. they are set to talk in a last-ditch effort to avoid a government shutdown. just a few hours away. we go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. fewer than 11 hours remaining for congress to approve a budget to prevent a government shutdown. yesterday you know from our reporting, the house passed a bill that extends sunday through february 16th. now it is time for the senate to act, can it do the same thing? republicans need a significant number of democrats to get on board to get to the vote of 60, especially if they are losing some republicans on the back end who are now saying they may vote no on this continued resolution. as of now it doesn't look like there's much movement but then a short time ago mick mulvaney said his agency is preparing for a shutdown. they have to let agencies know what has to happen. he's pointing the finger at democrats, particularly their leader in the senate. watch. >> we do not want to shut down. but if mr. schumer insists on -- he is in a position to force this on the amer

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and other issues and unfortunately he he might do it again and you know like i said there's still a chance for democrats you know the the funding basically got extended so we're going to keep pushing on democrats who do the right thing i understand they're worried about their elections but when it comes to use enough for their elections i mean they're they're they're you know they they use are stories they use the dreamers to be able to get latinos in this tricks where they they want to win with the latino community or in community but when it comes down to this it's unfortunately that they don't come through so we're going to keep pushing them to the right then through the spending bill because it is the easiest and not the easiest but is the best way to get a clean dream act as we as we are pushing for it president trump says that he wants a permanent fix the dr you believe that. you know it's why would anyone really hard. if yeah i mean he said that that was the reason he ended it but it's hard to say because president trump seems sometimes like he's sympathetic to the dreamers when he talks about the new no doc a and and the dream act but people around him you know what steve miller is one of those those people in the white house who has been pushing against this and it's you know it's like he's bipolar trump comes one day and says that he he wants a bill of love and then a couple of hours later he uses twitter to say that he now wants a wall and that he's not gonna allow for us to have our our fix without the wall that's that's not love fascists using us senator schumer announces he's taking back the office remade to trump the sun the border wall what if we put it this way why not give them the wall ok give them the wall so it's not a big ok because some money but we'll have a path to citizenship for you and other people dr given the wall what's wrong with that. well you know it's it's really it's first learn to read to hear schumer say that now because it's a no again going back to schumer he basically found a way out of the shutdown and the way our wasn't actually getting something that could have had no wall by using his leverage and unfortunately he caved in and i don't think he believes mcconnell i think that he found a way out and say you know what at some point republicans are not going to meet their or their promise that we can blame them in the election center you know it's going back to the politics is going back to them you know using us as a ball a political football rather goes back and forth. and so you know right now him saying that he he's now now one of the and two to to give the wall to them for means it's a little too late we had a chance and hopefully he can prove that again in this coming you know c.r. or funding bill vote and that he just gets it done now he has the leverage he can do it aragon hope we call on you again i hope everything turns out well for you both thank you so much and the you for having me legs tens of time with our panel lani chen joins me from stanford he's a research fellow at stanford's hoover institution he served in the george w. bush administration was also an adviser to the presidential campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein he said his chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee he's. gentleman thank you for being with us what's your takeaway from the government shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. well you know larry we're stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. solution insight i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for many americans for the democrats i think the challenge was it's not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances maybe that they'll be discussion on immigration but at the end of the day it seems to me that this was a much ado about nothing julian yeah i think he has it pretty much right and i think he was charitable towards the democrats i think if you look back at the government shutdown and into that in one thousand nine hundred five and two thousand and twelve thirteen. the republicans lost those battles because they were in charge of the congress and generally what we've seen with government shutdowns is the party was controlling congress gets the blame and i think chuck schumer the senate majority leader and went into this fight not knowing what cards he had and as it got into the weekend a lot of red state democrats the ten red state democrats democrats who won in states that trump also won started to kind of go south on him and so he was left. a little bit with an army not having an army behind him and so i think he got an out in front of his members i think he he didn't negotiated very well and i think you know i hate to say it but i think the republicans and i think the white house won this one that said this is a temporary this is a three month visit three week delay until the next showdown i think both parties look bad here i agree with lani on that i think it is kind of a pox on both houses let alone the. years. donald trump said to me there's not a candidate then if there's a government shutdown the president has to be to blame season judge. and then the thing to do the blame with this one. well look i think all leaders share some responsibility to a certain degree i mean in this particular situation what it came down to was you know i do think that the democrats shut this government down in part because they want to have a discussion about immigration is a perfectly reasonable thing perhaps from their perspective but to to say that just because you were involved in the ultimate event that shut the government down doesn't mean that you don't bear some responsibility so overall i think certainly all parties in this situation have to bear responsibility and look the president could always come back and say we want to figure out some way to have a longer term solution here and that's what we want to work on so there are always ways out of this silly cycle that we're in now and it's really just a cycle of blaming and shaming and it's unfortunate because a lot of people end up living their lives somewhat precariously because we can't resolve our situations more permanently julian something puzzling every polls is eighty five to ninety percent of americans favor the dream is the doc is to have a path to citizenship why is this. young and somewhere along the lines of some between two thirds and three quarters of republicans favor it as well but i think i think democrats have the upper hand on this argument and i think it has been the white house that has wanted to hold this up to leverage and to get other things like the wall. that nobody i don't even think congressional republicans particularly care about immigration experts don't really think the wall is going to do that much for border security there are many other things that we could be doing that would be giving us greater border security there's many other immigration reforms that i think conservatives are interested in employer verification for example that would be much more effective in stemming the tide of illegal immigration i think trump is just how much as he usually is on these these kind of avatars and these symbols of things he campaigned on. regardless of whether or not they really make a difference in the everyday lives of americans this is just a symbolic fight for him and he wants to leverage the docket issue the dreamer issue so that he can get this kind of skull on the fence now loni schumer says that wall is off the table what do you make of that. well it was on the table a few days ago now it's off the table look i mean this is a this is a really difficult negotiation for chuck schumer if he's going to say on the one hand that he's willing to go out there and offer the wall and now says it's off he's got a similar problem to the republican negotiators in the sense that you know both sides seem to be speaking out of both sides of their mouth a little bit here but but chuck schumer needs to figure out what his ultimate position is because on the one hand he's probably got a progressive base of folks whether it's campbell harris alyssa both warren the senators from california and massachusetts respectively or others who are saying under no circumstances should he be out there talking about the wall and then there are some red state democrats to julien's point from earlier probably say look we don't necessarily like the idea of a wall but we like the idea of being able to talk a little tougher on immigration because they might be in tough electoral races so chuck schumer needs to figure out what his 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with lani chen research fellow at stanford's hoover institution and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein who served as chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee julian where they make of republican lawmakers another trump supporters of stepping up attacks on the f.b.i. questioning their credibility and objectivity and suggesting there is a conspiracy in the eye to oust the president. what do you think of that you know i think it's a campaign of deflection and mr action i mean i think that the republicans tried to do this on the steel dossier the famous dossier that the backgrounding on trump during the election and then it was discovered that it was a marco rubio a republican an issue investigation by this private organization and they tried to refer steele for a criminal prosecution the democrats put out the testimony of. fusion g.p.s. and that kind of dissipated quickly there is now 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honorable chuck schumer. [ applause ] >> president trump, vice president pence, majority leader, mcconnell, speaker ryan, leader pelosi, senators leahy and roberts, congressman hoyer, jenkins, senator elizabeth dole, friends and family who have traveled here today, welcome. we gather, of course, to recognize senator bob dole, a son of the heartland born to an era of depression and war, who unblinkingly answered his country's call to arms, who bravely fought in the second world war and at the age of 21 sustained grave injuries for which he earned two purple hearts and the bronze star, who after returning home did not pass the mantel of service, but rather continued to carry the torch in an altogether different way, elected by the people of kansas to serve them in congress for more than 35 years. what an astounding record of service. i never had the pleasure of serving in the senate with senator dole, but his reputation and his achievements and most of all his character preceded him. i knew of his steadfast advocacy for veterans and for americans with disabilities, something we greatly admir

have chuck schumer come in and we're going to talk one on one and i'm not going to let these staff members treat me like i have predementia even though they all run around saying i have predementia. off doctor who says i don't have predementia. maybe i don't have predementia. i'll do this myself. so he brings in chuck schumer. they have the outlines of a deal. >> uh-huh. >> and guess what happens? the staff kills it again, which leads "the new york times" to report, both sides have reasons to be confused. each time mr. trump is edged towards compromise with democrats he has been reigned in by his own staff. the result has been a paralysis not only at the white house but on capitol hill. and mika, this is what has led to the shutdown and also i've got to be confused. maybe it's just me. maybe i'm just a dumb country lawyer, but it sure does seem to me when i hear paul ryan and republicans talking about how democrats are trying to hold health care for poor children hostage and then you have a democrat go on the floor say, hey, i'm calling for unanimous consent, let's vote and let's p

, minority leader chuck schumer. what are they saying as they meet with their conferences on capitol hill? >> david i've not had the honor of being on our air with you. i know you've been with us for a while now but welcome, officially, to the msnbc family. >> thank you. >> this is, as you say, a minute-to-minute proposition here on capitol hill. the critical question right now seems to be whether or not the senate can potentially agree to a bill that would extend, reopen the doors of government, keep it running until february 8th or so. that's what mitch mcconnell proposed late last night on the senate floor. we heard from chuck schumer this morning. he said, quite frank ly, a lot f the same things he said on the senate floor last night, that the president is an unreliable negotiator, comparing him to jell-o. i should amend my words a little bit. the president and the white house seem to be two distinct negotiating entities from the pective of capitol hill. the president said one thing, as chk humer tells it, in their lunch meeting and then the president, according to john kelly, said so

. >> listen, he was speaking moments ago, we missed it. we expect chuck schumer to come out at any moment, you'll have to roll with us, it could be a little bit frenetic. it sounds like -- is this the vote underway? >> mr. booker? let's see what's happening. stand by. >> mr. boezman. mr. brown? mr. burr? miss cantwell? mrs. capito. mr. cardin? mr. carper? mr. casey? >> so getting some clarification, yes, this is the vote that's happening now. mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer will speak afterwards, everyone stand by, will the government shut down, we'll find out momentarily. >> mr. coons? mr. corker? mr. cornen? >> aye. >> ms. cortese-masto? mr. cotton? mr. crepo? mr. cruz? >> aye. >> mr. danes. >> as we -- as a vote, we'll continue our conversation. sorry, david, to interrupt you, did you finish your thought? >> it's not a problem. don, look, i think the bottom line is that once you get this close to a shutdown, into a government shutdown, it's no longer about the policies that brought you to the brink, it's about who blinks first, whoever blinks first ends up weaker in the next round of

[indistinguishable voices interrupting] >> the house will be in order. deserves to be heard. the gentleman may resume. he gentleman may resume with one minute remaining. >> nancy pelosi said the recent to fund the speaker pro tempore: on this vote, the yeas are 394, the nays are zero. the motion is adopted. pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in recess, subject to the call of the chair. administration even though we bent over mastectomy president's demands. negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jell-o. it's next to impossible. leaderte democratic chuck schumer after fingerprint -- finger-pointing and name-calling. a question this evening, who will make the next move? where do things stand? the president remaining at the white house and parts of the federal government are now shutdown. let's begin with where things stand. who are you talking to and what are you hearing? >> i'm talking to senators on to figure outing whether they can present a proposal that will have a strong majority to pass to reopen the government. there was a meeting a little while ago convened by susan collins. it's attended by a number of senators on both sides of the aisle, joe manchin, the democratic moderate from west faces a tough reelection this year, he voted against the government shutdown -- put it this way, he voted for the four-week house continuing resolution. what he told reporters earlier is he thinks there are 18 senators on board with a plan that would reopen the government and i can't hear what he's saying on the floor right now, probablytaught -- talking about that. democrats i talked to earlier today said they may be willing to reopen the government without a deal on immigration reform, without a deal for dreamers which trump rescinded but they want other concessions, more money for community health centers, agreements on this the defense --o nondefense programs would be raised. they also want more disaster relief money in particular for hit by the hurricane last year and also for wildfire damage in california and colorado. negotiations to watch the body language with lindsey graham holding court and some discussions with senator dianne feinstein, senator -- key, but the detail players presumably are still going to be senate leaders. our chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell talking. are these individuals trying to hammer out a long-term deal? >> there was a meeting at the white house on friday afternoon between chuck schumer and president trump, as you know, at that meeting, trump told schumer , work it out with mcconnell and brian. as of a couple of hours ago, those discussions had not really yet begun, at least in any seriousness. a littleo dick durbin while ago, he said he's been in the middle of this debate here it of course is the sponsor of the dream act to protect illegal immigrants who came in to the country at a young age to protect them from deportation. we were talking midafternoon afternoon, there hadn't been discussions yet between paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, and chuck schumer. i think they are letting the dust settle a bit. and i think they are trying to see how members are reacting to the shutdown. i think that is one of the reasons why the leadership talks haven't begun in earnest yet, because i think leaders on both sides of the aisle want to figure out what are their members willing to do. as i discussed a little while ago, some democrats are saying, we don't necessarily need a deal an extension get on the children's health program, that might be enough, but the problem is that divides the caucus. again, i spoke to durban and he said any sort of deal that left the dreamers out would be inadequate. iing back to your question, think he is trying to figure out what his caucus whether there must be a solution on dreamers. from the hill.com, shutdown fight turning ugly as both sides dig in. the democratic national committee has launched an effort republicans senate arguing their boats continued it to the government shutdown. targeting lisa murkowski, dean, susan collins, and tennessee. enator corker is retiring leaving the seat open. placing the blame on chuck schumer. democrats point to pulling that came out early in the week from park research associates, that is a well-respected polling firm. what was interesting is it looked at the 12 senate battleground states and it found that in those states, the states that decide the majority of in , a plurality of voters, i have a sampling of trump's voters say they would view the republicans is more to blame for the shutdown, something 40 something percent to 30 something percent. a poll also shows that there is strong support amongst republicans, democrats, protectings for dreamers from deportation, 81%. the democrats were pointing to that poll earlier in the week. a were also pointing to another poll, abc news, "washington post" said 80% would blame republicans, only 20% would lame democrats, so that's a big advantage there, but i still thek mitch mcconnell and republicans are feeling pretty confident in their own republican hand. nationally at this point in the game, republicans make get the blame in the polls, when it comes to the campaigns in september and october when democrats like jon tester is running for reelection and in bill nelsonsouri, in florida, they are going to be running ads, at least in the tester andter and -- nelson, they are going to be running ads saying these guys voted against military spending, voted to close the government, voted against military families to help illegal immigrants. that was the message mitch mcconnell was delivering on the floor yesterday. i think that's a preview of the fall. >> early in the morning, past midnight into today, reading itsrks, let's begin with mcconnell on the floor. reppo mcconnell -- sen. mcconnell: the american people cannot comprehend why we would keep it shuttered for untilan military families he gets exactly what he wants on the issue of illegal immigration . the situation doesn't even become urgent until march. all of these other matters are indeed urgent. you need to be dealt with right now. this particular issue does not .ecome urgent until march i hope senate democrats are starting to realize all this. i hope they realize their constituents, the house in the majority of the senate are on .ne side of this , thee other side all alone democratic leader invented this unfortunate situation and let his party into this untenable position. the solution is to end the foolishness, it's hurting millions of america -- merrill -- millions of americans who have done nothing to do deserve this. i would invite all of my colleagues across the isle to do what is responsible in right for the people we represent, pretty clear here. let's reopen the government, resume the bipartisan discussion on funding our troops, daca, government spending, and on the other priorities that all of us can't work together to resolve. senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell, and here is democratic leader chuck schumer of new york. the most important point is this, the republicans control the white house, the senate, the house. that's why america and the world are calling this shutdown the trump shutdown. -- it is theent president's and congressional republicans to govern. it's their responsibility to keep the doors open and the lights on around here, but the republican leadership cannot get a tumultuous president on board with anything and they don't offer any compromises on their own. the breakdown of compromise is poisoning this congress ended all springs from president trump. he has turned blowing up titus i partisanng up agreements into an artform. a president can't take yes for an answer. twice in this long debate, president trump walked away from partisan deals to solve the issues before us. a week ago last tuesday, president trump appealed to congress on national television to come to a deal and said he would sign it. senate butbipartisan him that compromise, he blew it up in a volcanic meeting at the white house. the same script played out with myself and the president yesterday. the president called me in the morning, and asked that i come to the white house of course i accepted. we had an extensive and serious negotiation about every single outstanding issue. we came close to a tentative agreement on the budget after i offered the pentagon's full budget request on the authority is issue of immigration. the president said many times he would take a deal that included daca in exchange for the wall. i put that deal on the table in and in a severe effort for compromise. . it was a generous offer. i believe he was willing to do a very short-term cr. he suggested it in order to get the deal finalized. hours later i got a phone call telling me this is not good enough. >> senator chuck schumer outlining where things stood yesterday and today. where do these two leaders negotiate? where did they go moving forward? >> it's tough to answer. based on my conversations today, i think there is still a feeling that it's going to come down to a conversation between schumer and trump, that mcconnell really doesn't have a whole lot of vested interest in getting a deal on immigration reform. one democrat i spoke to says he doesn't think mcconnell wants to lift a finger to help these immigrants, dreamers who came to the comp treat -- came to the country as children. wherek the democrats feel they have the leverage is with trump, because they have something where they can deliver something what trump wants, which is the wall. top campaign priority in 2016. he hasn't gotten it yet and i think that the democrats see it know, easy, you concession. it's going to cost $18 billion, but potentially could cost last. what the president really once is to dictate -- to declare a did victory on the wall. that seems like a pretty clear trade. give trump the wall and that's where i think they see it. i think that's where they see trump as the key to getting a deal, not to much mcconnell. trump at the meeting yesterday said talk about mcconnell and ryan, i think that is what is frustrating for schumer. he says i don't know who to talk to, i talked to the president and he says talk to the congressional leaders. > he says he was the first president to attend. oh and nearly 20 years, but the government shutdown may stop those plans. air force one was scheduled to the part on wednesday. will stay no deal, he in washington. joining us now is the white house press secretary following all of this from the president's standpoint. think you for joining us. that me ask you about the president's day. walk us through what he has been doing behind closed doors. having us, steve. first of all, the president has been extremely active this morning. he's spoken with several cabinet members, general mattis, secretary nielsen, all of the pieces that have been affected by the schumer shutdown, whether it be the military, that is going woefully unfunded, they still have to show up. they still have to protect our people, but they do it without pay. the 8.9 million children who rely on the chip program for health insurance, they too, unfunded. and so, the president has been focused on trying to get a deal to protect the american people, the military families, and those children. >> is there a sense that a deal could be struck in the next day or two, or does the white house feel the shutdown could continue well into next week? so.e hope obviously the president has been running the show from the beginning. he's been very clear about what he wants. he wants a two year clean budget bill, the problem is, that's not on the table right now. so he settled for the cr , butegotiate a longer term he has been very clear, there is no conversation about daca as it relates to the budget. schumer, nancy pelosi called republicans arsonists, terrorists are threatening to shut down the government by putting in a non-budget item 2013the budget back in when republicans went to the mat for obamacare. ,here's a huge difference though, in that shutdown in this one. those republicans were standing up for principles they believed in. they didn't like something in the bill. the chipaid they want program funded. they say they want the provisions that have been laid out in this bill funding the military, keeping the obamacare taxes at bay, for a little bit longer, they want everything in the bill, but they are not voting for it. damaging tod and so the american people, quite frankly, and to this country. >> we are talking to white house press secretary hogan gidley. let me get your opinion on a one there does seem to be a lack of trust. how to get beyond that? >> 55 minutes, open-door meeting, the entire world saw it. the president was queer what he wanted. >> we are going to break away from washington at this point as the u.s. house is about to gaveled back into session. you're watching live coverage. dopt. accordingly, the house stands supported a funding package that was $40,000 for border security that included a wall. two things have changed since .hat time the situation around immigration is much, much worse. peoplech more dangerous, have been pouring across the border for decades, 9.3 million folks in this country in the last 10 years and the second thing is, donald trump is in the white house. >> do you think this is thevated -- do you think democratic composition is motivated mainly by personal animus against the president? >> i don't want to get into their head, but i think it's motivated by two things. number one, i think it is a personal animus for the president, but also i think it is purely political. for the first time in decades, a republican has come to the table and says we want to work with you on daca. remember, when democrats had the the white senate and house, they didn't touch immigration. they could've done whatever they wanted to, they didn't touch it. they shut down the government and said 2013, fast-forward to today, they are clearly using it as a political ploy. if they are for everything we currently have in the cr, they supported lock stock and barrel, refused to vote on it, the only thing you can draw from that is -- they don't want to fix what the president says he wants to fix. the democrats say he wants to fix. he doesn't want it tied to the budget, just like senator schumer and just like nancy pelosi said years ago, don't tie non-budgetary issues to the budget. >> one last point i know it's been a busy afternoon and evening for you, but democrats claim this was created i the president i rescinding the second of order put in place by barack obama. the finger-pointing, they are pointing fingers at the president of the united states. >> how is that different from any other day? that their job is to point their finger at the president of the united states. so far for the record we have democrats advocating for higher taxes, open borders, lower wages. pay decreases for the american , and advocating for hundreds of thousands of people in the country unlawfully. i cannot wait to see their ads for the 2018 campaign. i don't know how many people in mainstream america that are going to be for those issues. sumac things for being with us. the deputy press secretary from the white house joining us on and can't busy saturday. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much, have a great night. ,hat does the shutdown mean breaking down some of the highlights. most departments and agencies are partially close, but airports and federal prisons remain open. in terms of which workers are for load, it will very. in the last government shutdown employees, 95% of the at the department of housing and urban development and the epa were let go compared to 13% at homeland security and only 4% at veterans affairs. the male will still be delivered. social security checks will not be affected and for the military that will not be a gap in pay them less it extends beyond february 1. will extend that long? >> i think it's going to go beyond the weekend, i will have a crystal ball, but judging from the tone and tenor on capitol hill today, as i mentioned, there really aren't any substantive talks right now .etween the mea leaders they are trying to figure out where their parties and caucuses are before they strike a deal. thatext step is the vote mitch mcconnell once you have an set of the four-week continuing resolution, the stopgap resolution which the failed in thinknate on friday, i there are some democrats who are nervous about the political fallout of this shutdown and as hogan just mentioned, i think it could be a tough political issue for some people. there might be some temptation to vote for, but i think schumer is going to keep his party in mind and so -- and he is going to try to use that as leverage and try to force the president to the table. it is almost like -- i see it a little bit like a poker game. sometimes when your hand isn't so strong, the best strategy is to bluff your way through it appeared i think that is the position that schumer is in. i don't think he has the strongest hand, frankly, but as long as he makes a show of force, he can still win a victory. that's why don't think it could be solved anytime soon, but there could be a breakthrough any moment. dick durbin has been leading the fight for democrats on daca. here is what he had to say. durbin: house in the house, loathing the senate, they did not wait on us. they left. they did what they thought was right. now we are in this situation where we are facing a shutdown, something i didn't come to congress to deal with and never hoped i'd be part of. we ought to curate, solve it quickly as possible, and we can. there are several problems we have, this president at this point is impossible to negotiate with. it is impossible. on january 9 i sat next to this president on his suggestion in the cabinet room of the white house. he referred to me by my first name and i was flattered, i guess, because it was only the fourth time we have ever spoken to one another. we talked about this issue involving immigration. it was a good meeting, a surprising meeting, because it was televised. the american people got to see it. in what he clear said. i recall what he said. you send me a bill and i will sign it. i will take the heat. me a bill and i will sign it. he went on to say, why is this taking so much time? do one a room here the white house to sit down and write this thing? let's get it done. he was looking for bipartisanship, sense of urgency and he was willing to -- congress on this. senator lindsey graham and i produced exactly what he asked for, at least we thought we did, and he totally rejected it. on thursday, he was a lot different then generate ninth, tuesday president trump. i just threw up my hands, after four months of working on a bipartisan measure, he rejects it out of hand. we cannot wait for an approval stamp from the white house to do our work. we shouldn't anymore. i heard your leader say we need to know what president trump wants to do on this. please, we cannot wait long enough for this to happen. and we should not continue to wait on something not likely to occur. >> to urban on the floor earlier today. if you hear that you can sense the frustration in his voice and senate republicans voices. what we just heard him say is something that chuck schumer address at his press conferences morning. he said negotiating with the president is like negotiating with jell-o. it is hard to pin them down and i think the frustration is with -- not just democrats, but republicans as well. , theey graham, jeff flake president will be one place one day, one place the next day. he is very unscripted and that's not just a problem for alsolican messaging, but negotiating, he seems to be often influenced by the last person he talked to. meeting at the white house that durbin reference, it seems like a productive meeting. the president said, i will sign whatever you bring me. and initially he sounded positive about this bipartisan deal that dick durbin and senator lindsey graham and jeff flake and a few others put together. and a sexually it essentially was the dream act protecting the immigrants who came to the country of young age. the president was positive about it. he had a full conversation with durban and the others inviting them to the white house, but in the meantime he had spoken to john kelly, chief of staff, stephen miller, former assassin onaid, who has always been the opposite side as durban schumer and other republicans, and the president's mind had been changed. he came out very much against the bill, orbital on border security, very weak on , enforcementeform provisions. it left negotiators at a loss. it's what durban was talking about. >> we welcome our audience in those listening. we are talking with alex bolton getting an assessment of where things stand on day one of this shutdown. we will hear from senator chuck schumer, the news conference that followed his statement on the senate for and he was asked -- senate floor and he was asked where this was all heading. sen. schumer: >> when you talk about endgame, do you think about it shutdown that will last a week, two weeks, two months? do you think they'll say will take a gang of six deal? sen. schumer: they are bandied about for more seriously today than yesterday on the republican side. and i am always willing to listen to compromises, but at this point we feel strongly about the issues, not just dreamers, opioids, pensions, not funding the military, and we feel the american people are on our side. >> that was senator chuck schumer earlier today. you were there, right? >> yes, i was. schumer feels a lot of questions asking about the president, who is in charge of the white house, one question that suck out in my mind was who is in charge, the president or his advisers who are hard lined on these immigration questions. schumer begged off. he says you need to talk to somebody who knows the white house better than i do, but in response to that last question, what is the endgame, schumer did not provide a lot of guidance. that was one of the big question marks hanging in the air after the press conference. what is the endgame? how do democrats get out of this situation? so much of the republicans in the 2013 -- they are the ones who defeated the funding measure. a need to come up with a solution to get us past this. i think that's why they are feeling pressure. i just saw a report by nbc news, and anonymous democratic aide aide saying i don't think we know what our endgame here is. that's what mcconnell is counting on. that's why i don't think he's interested in negotiating. he's going to bring this new measure to the floor. he's going to give the same speeches he did friday night, putting pressure on these 10 democrats, running for reelection in 2018 in straits -- states that trump won and see if they voted down again. if they do, maybe they will negotiate. that's why think it goes on for a little bit longer. mark short and mick mulvaney held a briefing at the white house. we will hear from them in a moment. in terms of what impact this is having, not to be overlooked, this is the one-year anniversary of trump's wearing and he was supposed to be in florida hear at here is here in washington. the government shutdown didn't have an immediate effect on tourist sites he cousin of the weekend -- because of the timing. monuments will remain open through sunday, however the archives here in washington dc and statue of liberty, both have been close. visible size signs in terms of the early shutdown. here is mick mulvaney on what's next. >> i'm wondering how concerned you are, if we look at social trump shutdown seems to be surpassing democrat shutdown or gop shutdown. >> my favorite is schumer shut down. it has a nice ring to it. >> you had a meeting with the president thinking he had arrived at broad outlines of the deal. did something happen that changed the president's mind question mark what was europe count -- your account of that meeting? . i talked to the chief of -- about it, give you an example of how schumer is mischaracterizing the meeting. what schumer told the president is i will give you all of the money you want for your wall. the president says, oh that's great, i need $20 billion and 1.6.er said no, only that is not all of the money for the wall, nor was it ever intended to be all of the money for the wall. but chuck schumer had the gall to look at the president and say i'm giving you everything you wanted for the wall. that is the type of negotiation that mr. schumer has been engaging in with the president. you have to ask yourself if at some point does it even become impossible to work with somebody like that. >> how long will the shutdown last? >> you have to ask congress. the democrats in the senate could shut -- could end this shut down today. we plan mostly a data time. you can look at different things on the horizon, they come -- on friday there's one goalpost. the funds i mentioned, some agencies are sitting on quite a bit of -- funds. would be none so they impacted immediately. there's no real answer to that. announced -- as you hear what he had to say, first of all your thoughts? claims that schumer insisted the funding for the wall be $1.6 billion. that was something that schumer's office responded to today -- >> almost immediately. >> almost immediately. said that's inaccurate, false, highly disputing the claim that schumer is willing to go as high as $1.6 billion for the wall, schumer would not give a number in his press conference today. he was asked what are you willing to do, what did you put on the table. he said i asked the president for number and when the president gave me a number i said it's on the table. what does that mean? it's not much of a concession and that's why there's some hope among rank and file democrats that once the leadership is willing to give trump the full amount he wants for the wall -- that's why asked hogan earlier, what is that amount, they can spring a deal. $18 billion is not seen as insurmountable by democratic senators. talking about the meeting yesterday between trump and schumer, it started off on the phone. it was a conversation that started off pretty well. initially on the phone, mark short and mick mulvaney, they were on that conference call at first, then trump suggested what you come down to 1600 pennsylvania avenue so we can talk face-to-face. that led to high hopes that there would be a breakthrough, but then when schumer returned to the hill he was pretty measured. theaid, we talked about all major outstanding issues and there are a good number of disagreement out there, although, we made some progress. it was not that optimistic a message. what he said earlier today was that trump will agree to things. he will some positive. us get thingst moving and then he will change his mind. there will be a phone call hours later moving the goalposts. i think that's what schumer said this morning when he was talking to reporters. he said, i thought it was a productive meeting. we had disagreements, but i thought we knew what we needed to do, moving the right direction. and he said, the president moved to goalpost a couple of ways. he said at the white house they were talking about doing continuing resolutions until tuesday just to give congress a few more days to work something out. trump called them back later in the afternoon and said, i heard we're going to have a three-week deal. and schumer was taken aback by that. i thought we were talking about a few days and schumer was unaware of it. he called nancy pelosi. she hadn't agreed to that. this is an example by schumer's telling, he thought the president agreed to a three or four day extension to allow negotiations and in the president came back and said, ok, we are doing three weeks, right? i think that made schumer pretty frustrated. the other thing schumer said is that they seem to have, maybe the outlines of a deal, or seem to be moving in the right direction after that meeting early friday afternoon and they got a call back later in the day saying in addition we need this, this, this, and this. the president had layered on additional demands to what they discussed earlier. and he feels that it's something being influenced i something generically is the hard right. withys after trump leads democrats, he's getting pushed back by members of his own party who are trying to increase the number of concessions from democrats. and that is why the talks are stalled today. who would've thought c-span on a friday would be must-see television? you saw a lot of movement on the senate floor. i know you have to get back to capitol hill, but let me get with the two house leaders. rep. ryan: furlough notices are going out. half of a defense department civilian workforce has been furloughed. training for reserves has got to stop. guardsmen have to be sent home. a number of states are going to run out of money for children's health insurance. and all of this is completely unnecessary. but senate democrats believe none of it is too high a price to pay for a pleasing their political base -- appeasing their political base. we have been and continue to be willing to work together in good faith on immigration. that deadline is weeks away. there is no good reason for senate democrats to keep willfully forcing a shutdown on this country hear it i want to take a moment and address the men and women who work here in the capital and who work around the country and this government, whether in the military or reserves, or law enforcement, or medical researchers, or people working at national parks, which ever you do, wherever you are, for the taxpayers, thank you for your service. thank you for your sacrifices that you and your tammy's make. he could not be more grateful. you should not have to go through this uncertainty. you deserve so much better than this needless shut down. we hope that it will end very soon. democratsues, senate shut down this government and now senate democrats need to open this government backup. stop holding our troops and children's health insurance hostage. and this reckless shutdown that is inflicting needless uncertainty on our country. let common sense and cooler heads prevail. come to your senses. do the right thing. >> house speaker paul ryan earlier today on the house floor. this was the weekend the house was scheduled to be off. presumably, they have been scrubbed. think they might have to be. although, whatever passes -- that is a good question. i don't know what will happen with the house. they were supposed to be on recess this week. that is why paul ryan is so mad because it messes up the house schedule. it is clear that the house funding measure that came before yesterday, on friday, is dead. whatever the senate does, the house is going to have to vote on it. it is possible they could do it by some sort of consent, or do without a vote. for something of this magnitude, it is hard to imagine. the house guys will have to come back in. they were alerted yesterday that they could be called to the floor at any time and be given an hour's notice to stay at the ready. yeah, it will probably have to be canceled next week or you will be missing a key vote that no one wants to miss. athis work available online "the hill.com." thank you for trying to make sense of a busy day. , new york andgton los angeles, thousands of women and their allies taking to the streets, bowing to show up to the polls a new member. the president tweeting the following, beautiful weather all over the country, a perfect day for all women to march. theout there and celebrate milestones and unprecedented success and creation that has taken place over the last 12 months. it is the lowest female unemployment in 18 years. members of congress, including and washingtonda state, and steve: of tennessee. you so much. thank you for fighting for my entire life with the feminist majority. it is so incredibly important that we continue to send the message as women, and the men who online with us. donald trump, we will not roll over or give in. i am representing the great state of florida. sending a shout out to my sisters in miami will i would love to be with tomorrow. instead, we will stay here and fight and stand up for the dreamers, our sisters, the win-win, my daughters, and generation to generation to ensure that we have quality comment equity, to make sure we do not need any more me to or times up movements. thank you for being here and standing with us. it is my privilege to introduce my colleague from the great state of washington. [applause] d.c.llo washington, seattle, washington and proud to be the first indian-american american woman in the u.s. house of representatives. [applause] let me tell you, democrats are standing strong for our values and our principles. we are going to fight the dreamers for kids who needs health insurance. we are going to fight to put funding into the oberoi crisis. we are going to fight for what deservesking american in this country. women are going to lead the way. now it is my great honor to introduce, from the great state of tennessee, steve cohen. [applause] >> thank you. america, this is a beautiful picture. i am from memphis, the blue star in a red state where thousands of women met today in a rally for women's rights. [applause] i am proud to stand here as one of the sponsors, along with the representative and several other colleagues who filed to impeach donald j. trump. [cheering] he is file you -- violated the emoluments clause. he has obstructed justice. he has stood up in ways that the press and judiciary should never try to stomp on them. we will not allow it three years from today. crowd in the history of washington will gather here to see the election and inauguration's of the next president of the united states, someone that believes that justice, freedom and democracy. ofcongressman cohen tennessee, part of the march. also taking place around the country. this headline at washington post.com as they post fingers of the shutdown as regards to what happens next. the president's legislative affairs director from cnn at today's white house briefing. i ask you a question. this is the one-year anniversary of the president being sworn into office. feel to the white house have a shutdown one year after the president was sworn in. disappointing that congress has chosen to shutdown the government, particularly senate democrats. i think it is a reflection candidly of the position that many of the democratic party find themselves in. democrats look at the administration accomplishments and pushed their leadership to say we want something to shut down the government. they look back and say the .argest tax cut in history they look at the regulatory rollback. they see more circuit court judges ever confirmed in one year. they see a new supreme court justice confirmed. captive by are small base. i do think they are related. they look at the accomplishments the last year and the reaction is, because we cannot be in it, we will shut down the government. reacting to all of this from the house floor as the house democratic leader. cap -- congresswoman nancy pelosi of california. >> lastnight on the eve of the first anniversary of president trump's inauguration, president trump earned an f for leadership. president trump and republicans obsession with passing a tax scam to benefit the wealthiest in our country and corporation has blinded them to their responsibilities to the american despite controlling the house, senate and white house, republicans were so incompetent and negligent that the cannot get it together to keep government open. they could get it together to pass a tax credit that benefits the top 1%, but they cannot get it together for the fuller toplement of what it means meet the need of americans children and families and seniors. president trump said about president obama at the time of the 2013 gop government "the problem starts from the top, it has to get solved from the top. the president is the leader and he has got to get everybody in a room to lead." president trump then. president trump now he tweeted, "our country needs a good shutdown." wish -- shutdown." your wish has come true for your when your anniversary. prioritize with all your hearts at the expense% of the rest of the country. now president, there is no such thing as a good shutdown of government. republicans total inability to govern is once again threatening our economy, weakening our communities, and interest we depriving the military of the certainty that they need to keep our nation safe. i see the economy is this shutdown hurts the economy from their previous shutdown. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi earlier today on the house floor. that washington post headline as congress pointing fingers. joining us live on capitol hill is add who is following all of this for the washington post. what are you hearing tonight, what is the mood of their? : we are not expecting resolution tonight by any means, 19 to 20 expect senators from both parties to keep talking on sunday at about a possible breakthrough that might extend government funding .ntil february 8 they will try to settle all of the outstanding issues. money thew much government will spend, the daca situation, how much money goes to the states are have been ravaged by hurricanes and wildfires, the future of children's health insurance program and other unfinished programs. >> is there a sense that day one of this shutdown, politically, for the democrats, this cannot last that long? feeling that we will see this lead at least into monday. if it goes down a few more days after that it will look bad for them. if you look at before the most americans would blame the president, republicans more so than democrats. --y even point out out anecdotal evidence that the #trump shutdown is trending. not only in the united states but around the world, indication that people are aware and at least talking about it in context, or blaming the president. the president was supposed to be an mar-a-lago for a $100,000 fundraiser for his own reelection in the rnc. he will be speaking to the crowd via satellite. he remains in washington at the white house. is he at the negotiation table? is he talking to leaders, or will he in the coming days? ed: he has been on the phone with them. somebody snuck up there, but we do not believe it were any leaders. mcconnell is in the white house, that did not happen. they have been in touch by telephone. they were talking with the white house as well. did not -- as far as we can tell, even though they were urging him to get to the point where they could negotiate where he is facetiously marking his one-year anniversary. host: i am not sure if you have been listening or washing -- watching in the house, congressman mike kelly speaking, an earlier other democrats really getting quite testy and angry. my question is, what is the mood? action is in the senate as they try to figure out whether or not they can go back to the house. if there are television audience is out there watching any want to get attention, what better way to do it than to yell and scream at your opponents. it is reality. the tempers and passions about is a little more frayed and the house, as they usually are. the people's house, the lower .ouse gets more cantankerous at least 1/5 of the chamber was trying to come together. o'keefe will be on face the nation tomorrow. one of the five shows we carry here on c-span radio. outside of the obvious, what do you think the discussion will look like tomorrow on the sunday morning programs? they do have an interview with the speaker. that might give them an opportunity to make some news and get a sense of where things are headed. beyond that, it looks like we will see the budget director make appearances on several shows. outside of those programs throughout the day we will get a better sense of whether senators are china fund a way to break the impacts and come up with a solution tomorrow night or have to wait until monday or tuesday. i would think tuesday would be a difficult time to break and that it might stretch out next week. nobody wants that, but political heat. you never know. host: what a difference a year makes. ed: you're telling me. thank you for spending time with us on the c-span network. his work is available online at washington post.com. in history,his day one year ago today when donald trump was sworn in as our 45th president. he delivered his inaugural address on the west front of the u.s. capital. president trump: for too many of our citizens a different reality exists. mothers and children trapped in poverty and our inner cities. rusted out factories scattered by tombstones across the landscape of our nation. education system flushed with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge. and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our countries of so much unrealized potential. carnage stops right here and stops right now. [applause] year ago today as donald trump was sworn in as our 45th president. we are back tomorrow morning with c-span's washington journal. we began at the 7:00 hour with your reaction to day two of the government shutdown. -- who be joined by covers congress for roll call, and sarah who covers white house washington news amateur. washington dc, coast to coast on serious xm and streamed on the web at c-span.org. you are looking at a live shot of the west capitol. a quiet night ahead as the house and senate have a german for the evening with no end in sight for the government shutdown. the house will try again tomorrow starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern while the senate reconvenes in our earlier at 1:00 p.m.. news from the senate, majority leader mitch mcconnell announced that the next blow in the senate regarding the government shutdown will take place no later than 1:00 a.m. eastern monday morning. coming up, we will show you today's women's march in -- 11:05n 11 at eastern. both chambers were in session during the first day of the government shutdown. in the house, members considered a motion to suspend the rules, enabling them to enact quickly on any legislation that would fund and reopen the government. no deals have been announced. here is the floor debate on the rules suspension. gentleman is recognized for one inute. >> during consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only. i yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentlewoman from new york, my friend, ms. slaughter. pending which i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. sessions: i rise in support of this rule and the underlying legislation. this resolution which we will present today is necessary,

schumer shutdown. but if you ask chuck schumer he said the shutdown was with no help, end of shutdown was done with no help from the president. what is your reaction? >> look, i think chuck schumer right now is trying to save face in every way he possibly can. this is a president who stood firm, stood his ground, worked with republican leadership like speaker ryan, like leader mcconnell. we had a very coordinated effort to put pressure on democrats to reopen the government so that we could again follow the proper process doing this let's not forget we have a lot of work to be done. we have 18 days to do it, but the president was engaged throughout the process. everybody wants to look at the last 24 hours, but it was actually weeks leading up to it and conversations he had putting pressure on democrats, coordinating with republican leadership. chuck schumer can deny all he wants but republicans won yesterday. frankly the american people won yesterday. certainly the men and women of our freight military won yesterday and people all across that work for the federal government and are impacte

negotiations like that. >> friday president trump did have a deal with chuck schumer, then he allowed 32-year-old steven miller and john kelly to get in the mix and say, no, sir, that's not going to happen. >> the republicans are stopping every one of these votes because they want to make a point. but they're not exactly sure what point they want to make because we have a president of the united states that is being led around by his staff. >> or some of his staff. welcome today three, the first workday of the government shutdown. federal employees are feeling the pinch this morning as we near a critical vote in the senate set for high noon. right now democrats are meeting to discuss that vote. and the latest offer from majority leader mitch mcconnell. and just a few minutes ago a bipartisan group of senators met in the office of maine's republican senator susan collins. this cross aisle effort happening as president trump again targeting democrats on twitter writing, quote, the dmbl democrats are turning down services and security of citizens in favor of services and security for non

deal to avert a shutdown, but are we seeing chuck schumer about to blink? >>> good evening and welcome to "mtp daily." i'm chuck todd here in washington. there are only seven hours to go before the government has to shutdown. house members were supposed to go home. they haven't. the president was supposed to go to florida. he hasn't. and the senate has yet to schedule a vote on the short-term bill to keep the government open. it is because they voted right now it probably would fail. although just moments ago democratic senator joe donnelly of indiana broke ranks and announces he is willing to vote yes on the four week deal, the short-term funding bill and now the second democrat up for re-election in a state president trump won who is coming out and saying he does not want to vote to shut down the government. west virginia joe manchin was the first. this could be the start of a trend, possible cracks in the democratic coalition in the senate and we may see things move quickly this hour. but before this latest development, and at least for a little while this afternoon, it seem

makes it hard for him to travel and perform but he does plan to continue composing and recording. we wish him well. >> absolutely. i think it so much for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: fox news alert, new investment, conforming to fox news, special counsel robert mueller's team questioned attorney general jeff sessions for several hours last week. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith in here today, harris faulkner. the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich. former deputy spokesperson marie harf and joining us on the couch today, to senator mitch mcconnell, josh holmes is here and he is outnumbered. a name your former boss, one has been a lot lately. >> harris: had a good week. we have a lot to get to so good to have you. attorney general jeff sessions the first member of president trump's cabinet known to be interviewed by muller's team. last month, sessions recused himself of the russia investigation and eventually his deputy rod rosenstein appointed mueller to oversee the probe. chief house correspondent john roberts joins us with more. >> good news hour to everybody out there. this is the highest ranking member of the trump administration who has been interviewed by the special counsel's office so far for the most part, it's all been staff current and former but this now takes it up to the cabinet level. we are told of the interview took place sometime within the last week to ten days. lasted several hours. among the topics that he would've been interested in investigating clearly whether or not there was collusion between the trump campaign in russia during the election. your member jeff sessions was one of then candidate donald trump's closest advisors and the other thing that he is looking into is whether or not there was obstruction of justice and the firing of the former fbi director james comey. white house officials will not weigh in on this substance of the interview, though a short time ago on fox news, the principal deputy press secretary said he believes that the investigation will soon wrap up and they will be no finding of any wrongdoing between the trump campaign and russia in terms of colluding to influence the american election. >> the white house's view is that it will be wrapping up in short order. we wanted to be done surreally and aboveboard but we have confidence that the special counsel is going to find what we've known all along has been no collusion no findings of wrongdoing. >> for his part, attorney general jeff sessions says he is vowing to get to the bottom of why there are six months worth of missing text messages numbering potentially as many as 50,000 that went between peter strock who was one of molars chief investigators and the woman that he was having an affair with, lisa page who is an attorney at the fbi. these came to light as part of an inspector general's report that the idea of the department of justice michael horowitz is putting together on all of this. that horwitz report may be coming out sometime in the next few weeks, maybe a couple of months and when it finally lands, sources close to the investigation say it is going to have a significant impact because this will speak right to the heart of some of the people who are involved in that molar investigation. sources close to the investigation also believe that devin nunes four page memo which may be released sources say sometime within the next couple of weeks we'll have a impact as well. but all of this as well particularly the horwitz investigation, having an impact on the special counsel's office and that sources close to the investigation believe it may delay the wrap up of the molar investigation. they were hopeful that he might be done by the end of this month but the investigation continues and nobody's quite sure sure when it will end. >> sandra: just changing by the hours, thanks for all the updates on that in your reporting. and josh, i go to you on this. this is big news, this is the first member of the president's cabinet to be interviewed by robert mueller hours it was. >> john: is significant but i think it was inevitable. both because of attorney general's role as attorney general and with the dismissal of james comey but also his role in the campaign so clearly he was of the key figure that the needed to speak to. i think this is not out of the ordinary in any form or fashion and honestly, i think probably said it best from the white house's perspective, i think this is an indication that they're getting to the end of this investigation. >> sandra: do you see it that way? speak >> marie: we spoke about . he may well have to be interviewed by bob mueller. this is not wrapping up i think. we will see, there were other key officials who have not been spoken to you by president pence will probably have to as well. this will go on for many months at this point, these things take time. general sessions is at the middle of a lot of this and as we all talked about when he went before congress several times now, he has misremembered something, he had to clarify some statements about conversations with russians. it is not at all surprising that he would've had hours and hours of questions were jeff sessions given his role, given what he said publicly about this. >> katie: there's been a lot of controversy surrounding his recusal of himself, he's been heavily criticized by the president for doing so. the entire reason why he did that is precisely because of this. it can he did not believe he could be in charge of a russia investigation and also be a witness at the same time. it's important to point that out. in terms of when this is going to be over, we don't know. six months ago, the white house was saying it's almost over, it's wrapping up, their way of saying we wanted to wrap up soon but none of us actually knew what they're going to interview and what is going to happen, what charges may or not be filed but we just don't know. >> sandra: i spoke strategic communications for the white house and she didn't seem to hint that it was at the end she could only respond that they are fully cooperating and continuing on with the investigation. >> harris: the white house is playing his cards the way it has been in so far it's been a neutral deck which is where they want to be. they don't want to make news on what they think. they really don't want to jump the shark on this. when mueller is helping them out by digging deeper and talking with people because if it takes forever to get to the bottom of this, it only hurts the white house no matter what the end game is because you want to be able to focus on different things. >> john: i think clearly in any investigation, start with the big fish. he wait for the attorney general and the president of united states so you get towards the end of it. we don't know. i think you're right, we don't know exactly when it all wrapped up but i do think it's an encouraging sign that there into the big fish. jeff sessions is clearly an essential player and a lot of these and if he can answer those questions. >> harris: a big fish who recused himself can be complicated because the president was not happy about that. and the fact that if he was avoiding things to get to this point, how did he know he was going in this point? only the person who knew all of the facts would know that those facts would collide the investigation. >> katie: the justice department would argue that he knew no sin is as investigation or the russia surrounding investigation in congress that came before the special counsel the specific questions about the campaign and he was one of the very first senators to jump onto the trump campaign. so inevitably, all of the questions surrounding the campaign answering him being in that position legally, ethically, he believed he had to recuse himself and can be a witness in the case. >> harris: if he had had a collision of his memory and what happened with meetings and at very first hearing, how could he have even known what would be today? that's the unfortunate part. thus the part i believe as they said, they're not happy about the fact that he had to do that recusal. >> marie: and that was his own doing. i remember there wasn't a big push for recusal until it came out that he had not remembered fully when he testified before congress. but the special counsel was basically looking at two things. one is whether there was collusion with russia and one was whether there was obstruction of justice and firing jim comey. sessions is at the center of both of those and he is unique in that because he was part of the campaign and part of the decision-making when they got rid of him. >> harris: look at the situation where mueller is with his employees around him and i know we are going to talk about this little bit later having what i do with those thousands of text messages? the same thing that you are accusing back of the day of the secret circle with hillary clinton. it's very troubling for mueller right now and in awkward position so it's interesting to see that juxtaposed with the ag now going to talk with him. his an observation. >> katie: one of the questions we were asked during the hearings with jeff sessions, he was accused of meeting with the russian ambassador when we took a little deeper and found out he actually was meeting with multiple people at an event at the rnc convention, doesn't count as a private meeting. >> marie: he should've said that then. >> katie: the questions were framed as did you meet with someone so then framed in the narrative as you did meet with him because you happen to have a quick conversation with him at a random rnc convention meeting. so the definition of what exactly the meeting was has been changed. >> marie: there was more than one meeting. there was one before that foreign policy speech at washington which was private, there was one of the rnc and there were other conversations. so again. the five what does that have to do with collusion? we have to answer the question correctly when they ask you. the evidence shows has nothing to do was collusion but when someone ask you, you do have to answer. >> katie: i met with multiple people in a group setting that i maybe wouldn't remember. if you're asking about a meeting with the russian ambassador, that's different. >> john: think all of this, it's probably uncomfortable as it is to think jeff sessions made the right set decision to recuse himself and i think he's probably in a position today to clear this all up and actually for the betterment of the trump administration as a result of i it. >> sandra: you do get final word on that. did you know the shutdown is over? now that it is, there is growing liberal backlash against senate majority leader chuck schumer, whether he should have held out for a better deal or was ending the shutdown more important than a few things progressive? and house republicans are holding a memo allegedly containing what some call jaw-dropping revelations about government surveillance abuses. will soon be made public. whether we will see it and whether america will be as shocked as lawmakers. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. >> harris: fox news alert on what could be a growing divide in the democratic party know that the government shutdown is over. president trump last night's in a temporary sending bill into law after senate minority leader chuck schumer is in a majority leader mitch mcconnell reached a deal. now schumer is coming under fire. progressive say he caved to protect vulnerable democrats up for reelection in red states. they say the deal he made does not guarantee any protections for dreamers those immigrants who came here illegally as children. senator dianne feinstein said this quote. it's a great disappointment to me and it's a great disappointment to more than 300,000 young people in the state of california. the strategy was to keep it fixed way must pass a vehicle because there was great worry that the house was not going to pass it. i'm just very disappointed. some are reportedly threatening primary challenges. one activist telling "the new york times" this. that grabs crews are rightly furious with a slew of elected democrats in the obama years. the publicans learn to be more afraid of primary challenges in general elections the democrats are still operating at those little tea party is more powerful than the resistance. more moderate democrats are defending schumer including claire mccaskill of missouri. watch. >> i understand what the leadership did. i respect it and i do think we got a result and that is the promise is that of made and by the way, as has been said earlier on your show today, what happened here was the trust of the republicans that were part of this deal, not the trust of mitch mcconnell but why would you trust mitch mcconnell? he didn't. he trusted the 12 republicans that can make his life miserable. >> harris: meanwhile. here laughing. i'm not done yet. there might be more. president trump tweeted a big win for republicans as democrats came on shutdown. now i want a big win for everyone including republicans, democrats, and daca. see you at the negotiating table. i think that what conveys. >> josh: there is no greater defender than claire mccaskill and she's done it again. i think chuck schumer got a real lesson in legislative politics in real-time. it was frankly played out in an embarrassing fashion. it was that he went into this, very responsive to a liberal bias that one to shut down the government and once he got to the precipice of doing that, couldn't turn back. he got over the ledge and all your negotiating power goes away. at the end of the day, that discussion was about whether or not it was appropriate to take away government services for all of the americans across the country, defense, children's health care, you name it in order to deal with the issue of illegal immigration that dealt with people who would like to become americans. >> harris: this issue is more about the legality of things. that's a hard argument to make in the midst of a shutdown. you can make it across the aisle and that's what they say they can do in a bipartisan matter and outside of that. be five feinstein argues that they attached it to this so would be a must pass by again, democrats are completely out of touch with the american people on how to get this done and the legitimate legal way. the majority of americans according to a harvard poll yesterday. say we want daca to pass but we don't believe we should shut down the government in favor of people who were brought here illegally. it's pretty fair and simple and my concern and what a lot of people feel this way as we only have a few days before we can go through all of this again and what does that show about the chaos surrounding these kinds of issues impact they wanted done by february 8th? and yet again, it doesn't expire until march and democrats have to figure out where the goalposts are here. i would just talking about daca, there has been an increase in the last three months as daca talk has gone on of unaccompanied minors and their parents coming across the border. do they get to stay? >> marie: i think the publicans have to decide where the goalposts are because i give mitch mcconnell a lot of credit peered he gave democrats something that was important to us in making that commitment to have this discussion. the problem i think now is house republicans who'd been very clear in saying we don't care what the republicans in the senate do, so the republican party and the white house need to get on the same page but what i would say to progressives were met at chuck schumer, alexis have consequences. we are not in the majority. as much as he which in some fantasyland we could control things and force daca to four shut down, that is not how government works. and if you're going to go vote for someone else, who you going to look for to better defend? >> katie: that's a great question. when you could answer. >> marie: i would make the argument to progressives that there are two parties who run in elections and the only party i would argue who has made daca a priority as democrats. he may be mad at chuck schumer but governing is much harder than carrying signs and protesting. >> josh: welcome to the wonderful world of primary politics. >> marie: i know. >> harris: demo on dem crime. >> marie: this is a momentary blitz. i don't think you're going to see a lot of primaries before 2018 midterms, is almost too late for that. >> sandra: would you want to see chuck schumer hold out for more. >> marie: on friday i on the show said if we get an exquisite commitment from mitch mcconnell to take up daca then we should not cut shut the government down. >> harris: what we've learned is that pretty much what they had on friday. so my question is we have to see a government shutdown to get what chuck schumer wanted? >> josh: we were on this path. this is what was happening. they were currently negotiating. all of this was happening. love to ask them. i don't think it turned out the way they wanted it to. >> harris: we will move on. republicans sounding off on the anti-trump fbi agents. who once worked on the mueller investigation. what we are learning about the eye-popping number of text messages he exchanged with that other agent. has called for paramore. plus, the explosive memo making the rounds on capitol hill set to show the obama administration spied on the trump campaign. the shocking allegations leaving some lawmakers nearly speechles speechless. >> determination would be the least of these people's once they see the document. i'll take that. -yeeeeeah! ensure high protein. with 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. ensure. always be you. it's patrick woke up with a sore back. but he's got work to do. so he took aleve this morning. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. aleve. all day strong. all day long. and for pain relief and a good night's rest, try aleve pm for a better am. >> sandra: the justice department investigating after the revelation that the fbi "failed to preserve five months of text messages between those two, peter struck and lisa page. the message is been a crucial window between the presidential transition and the launch of robert miller's russia probe. attorney general jeff sessions saying "we will leave no stone unturned to confirm with certainty why these text messages are now and not available to be produced and we will use every technology available to determine whether the missing messages are recoverable from another source. if any wrongdoing were to have been found to have caused this gap appropriate legal disciplinary action measures will be taken. house oversight committee chairman trey gowdy waiting for an earlier today. >> we are missing five months worth of texts, so god only knows what else. that's a really important time period, sessions has recused himself. bob mueller is coming on board and i happen to like him. i respect him, i think he's going to do a good job, but if he's picking guys like peter struck and lisa page to be on his team and they're only interested in being on the team if they can get the president, they have no interest in clearing him, that he had some hiring failures of epic portions. >> sandra: and one message made in 2014, the fbi agent debates whether he should join special counsel robert miller's russia probe saying "you and i both know the odds are nothing. if i thought it was likely, i'd be there no question. or hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern that there is no big big bear there. some believe he is talking about evidence of collusion of course. and to trey gowdy's point, who knows what else is in those text messages that can be found? >> josh: i was always taught that everything you do on the internet is automatically preserved forever where everyone can see it. but there is an exception in the role when it comes to high-ranking liberal officials because in this case and if you think back to hillary clinton email case an irs investigation all of these emails went missing. they've got a secret hear the rest of us need to get in on because. >> sandra: as the president points out, this is during that crucial period making this potentially huge news. >> marie: and potentially not huge news. we'll see. honestly of all the things that concern me, this is not in the top 20 of what's happening in the world today and in our country. i've always said we need to hear from these two individuals because there's been so much speculation about what their text messages meant and if anyone read our text messages, who knows what people would think. >> harris: can i suggest why might not want that, because one of them is married. i'm talking really honestly her here. if they were at 50,000 of these that are missing. >> marie: 50,000 of the total number the fbi looked at. we don't know how many are missing. >> harris: i've been married almost 15 years. i would be pressed to know, texting hasn't been around my entire marriage but that's a lot of messages between two people that some of them are work, anti-trump. >> katie: why are we paying these people to sit in text 100 times a day to each other? >> harris: is an excellent question. i could do it for free with my husband and i'm not. >> katie: by the yearly salary to be doing that. the second thing is, i find it amazing that liberals are now stuck on this idea because they don't have any evidence of collusion's and now they're saying it's all about obstruction of justice 50,000 emails in a case, a criminal case is running a criminal and a special counsel about whether the president of the united states was colluding with russians, now 50,000 emails or text messages that are gone don't really matter much when it comes to obstruction of justice. >> marie: i'm not saying they don't matter much. i'm saying what is happening on the right is that people are taking huge leaps of assumptions about things that they don't have evidence for. let me finish. >> there are too many coincidences. >> marie: let me just finish that the right has put so much power in the hands of these two people and forgotten the fact. so are many hiring fbi officials who worked on the mueller investigation who liked president from. >> harris: so anything is missing at the fbi and they can't find it for an investigation, which is pretend like it's not even this case. it's the fbi. >> josh: it seems impossible. >> marie: you know federal government, it's not impossible. to your point, we put too much faith and trust that these two are all powerful, liberals would have you believe that this george papadopoulos guide nobody's ever heard of and definitely had no power within the construct of the campaign somehow constructed this elaborate scheme to collude with the russian government elect donald trump president. being investigated saying i lost 50,000 text messages from the period you need from your criminal investigation? spaces why do they need them? >> katie: they are referring to time taking out a presidential candidate in a way of the secret society or meeting in the offices of the fbi to talk about an insurance policy just in case the president wins, making sure that hillary clinton maybe doesn't face charges. the brenda lynch knew about the fact that she wasn't going to face charges but met with bill clinton on that tarmac in secret and then got caught. these things actually matter because it's about corruption. a lot of people want to say that the government is just incompetent. the first thing i think of is corruption just another example of that. >> josh: we wouldn't be talking about if they didn't have a really senior positions in both investigations. >> marie: my point has always been i've never defended their behavior what they've said. my point is always to say they had bad behavior and because of that, the mueller investigation is total or what the fbi decided on at all. i'm just saying, to take that big leap is unfair. >> harris: you said why these particular text messages and i know you guys talked about it. it's not 50,000 that are missing but their salmon that realm. it has to do with the timing that sander was pointing to. the timing of these conversations, they are looking for bias inside the fbi. that's what it has to do with as well. i will quite significantly. >> marie: we don't know. because it's a crucial time period between the transition. >> marie: i think the federal government does things all the time that look like on outside like there's some big conspiracy and is just confidential. >> katie: and we find out who is deliberate. >> marie: we don't know. >> katie: house republicans hopeful in a memo they say shows the obama white house spied on the trump campaign will soon be public. a republican from ohio says the intelligence committee plans to release on releasing the four-page document but ones that once americans see it, they'll be surprised how bad it is. >> i read it twice just to make sure i read it properly and it was deeply disturbing. has anyone who's been in law enforcement, any american would say termination would be the least of these people's worries once they get to see the document. >> katie: sources telling fox news that republicans are moving ahead as quickly as they can to get the memo into the public domain. according to sources, republican house and tell leaders have so far denied the fbi access to the memo citing concerns the bureau has not been an honest broker and sharing information. ranking democrat in the house intelligence committee slamming the memo saying it is "rife with factual inaccuracies and referencing highly classified material that most republican intelligence committee members were forced with the knowledge they had never read. this wasn't meant only to give republican house members a distorted view of the fbi. this might help carry white house wire water but is it deep to service for enforcement professionals. they sure made a big deal out of this memo, seems like they have to deliver it at this point. >> josh: they definitely have too. we have to see the contents of this memo. when you preface it by that. let me just say something that's going to irritate some of my conservative friends. i'm deeply disturbed by the classification of any classified information in any form whatsoever. i think perhaps the congressmen felt as though the only way he could get this information out would be to go public and if that's the case, i understand it. what troubles me is having this public discourse for congressmen by the hundreds are going out and reviewing something but they're asking american public cannot. and then providing a take that formulates the view of what the section says without anybody actually having the ability to fact-check that. and it's classified now we're in a situation i think where we have to declassify, have to get it out there and i don't know what's in that. >> harris: do you have any unmasking concerns here? >> josh: i have concerns about all of that. >> harris: a pox on both their houses. rand paul try to get everybody to understand where we were with the collection of this information and if americans get scooped up in this, this is a conversation that we could've had two weeks ago and may be made a road forward a lot smoother in terms of not being able to harm americans. we don't know what's in it. but it's interesting to have this conversation after the section 702 which was just renewed. >> marie: there should be a bipartisan way to look at the unmasking process which has been around for a long time, both in ministrations and both parties have used it. i think there's a way to look at this issue and make some reform. >> harris: we could've done at less than two months ago. space and let me finish what i was going to say. trey gowdy and devin nunes writing this and seeing secret using highly classified material and talking about it, i'm not sure this can all actually be declassified and keep the methods safe. devin nunes trying to cherry pick information, not bringing democrats who care about this, that does do a disservice to the conversation. >> katie: what about that? if republicans are going to be using this and taking highly classified information in making a public from half of the american people, still going to pass through five without any reform, isn't this going to prompt calls for reform and is that something was going to be on the agenda? >> sandra: so go to classified to jaw-dropping which is being used to classify what we would potentially see. i would have to know when everybody else would have to know, is actually going to be the jaw-dropping information and revelations that everyone is expecting at this point? >> josh: that's the big question. we don't even know with respect to 702 whether or not this is something that is significant in terms of its application for this collection. >> harris: if they will be anybody caught up on this. >> josh: we don't know. 702 is an important program and has kept us safe for a whole lot of years so even that, i don't want to jump to the conclusion that we are somehow in a situation where people are misusing it because we just don't know. but unfortunately, now we are in a situation where we have to. >> harris: if warrants are issued, we won't have to worry about them. >> katie: all eyes on immigration reform as democrats demand protection for the dreamers by the spending deadline. how much will each side giver and taken who has the upper hand and to be end up right back where we started? 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he is taking his spending boost for the president's border wall the table. senate minority leader through an informed the white house that he retracted the offer he made last week to give the president well north of the $1.6 billion in wall funding that previously was promised. >> josh: i think -- >> harris: i'm reclaiming my money for the wall. >> josh: what he did there was a bait and switch anyway. what he offered was an authorization on appropriation. an authorization that has existed since 2006 when chuck schumer himself along with senate democrats and bipartisan group of republicans voted to put the wall. >> sandra: what is he withdrawing? >> josh: that's the whole point. it's been a bait and switch type effort from the very beginning. i think there is a common goal. i think there is a bipartisan deal for the daca situation but there are republican priorities dealing with chain migration, the family-based merit-based system and border security mainly a wall. those three things are not unreasonable. nobody cites poll numbers about those three things. together, they make a deal and i don't understand why chuck schumer and everybody else can't get to the table with that. >> harris: you're saying there wasn't an actual 1.6 billion on the table. there was some talk right around. chuck schumer was on the floor and talking about this issue that there might be more money. what happened? >> marie: trump put a whole bunch of things on the table and decided they weren't good enough for him so both sides doing a little bait and switch. that's how it so often works in washington. i actually have a little more faith that the senate can get to something like you're talking about. i think the senators on both sides of the aisle made clear that they're negotiating in good faith. what i have much less faith in his the house. and we heard house republicans say not going to look at what the senate does and said on the record their base won't support it. maybe there's a scenario. >> sandra: could you say there negotiating in good faith? lindsey graham and dick durbin showed up at the white house with this apparent deal for the president that didn't look anything like they discussed at that lovely bipartisan event. space and it a lot like they discussed. i think you could get a bill that passes the senate and the house where you lose the freedom caucus but you get democrats. >> katie: yesterday, chuck schumer as soon as he was announcing that he was reopening the government weeded out a warning to republicans and said you have 17 days to come up with a daca fix. attend to the spending bill puts daca in a situation where it's going to fail because it is being treated as an add-on and not as a serious issue as it should be. democrats are doing it for political reasons because they will never allow a republican to take credit for the amnesty that will come with daca because they're the ones who want credit for it. when the president announced chain migration, he's doing it for good reason. if we had a number of terrorists in this country who have killed american citizens on our soil who have come here as a result of chain migration or the diversity visa lottery program. he's putting something on the table that everybody supports and they have to be able to get to it but because of the time whether they've set up or setting it up to fail. as they did the first time around. >> harris: so interesting. i know we will revisit this topic many times. at least over the next 17 days. by the way, they don't have that many legislative days left. we've only got like six. congress do your job. >> harris: work extra hours like we do sometimes. while thousands of women took to the streets to protest president comes one year anniversary an office on saturday, a new poll finds the president's approval rating is rising among men. we will talk about the effect of this apparent gender gap and what it tells us about the midterm elections in 2020. stay close. >> sandra: more "outnumbered" and just a moment but first, was go to harris. >> harris: working on the next one. white house deputy press secretary hogan ghibli will join me. i'm going to ask him what does the white house make the special counsel interviewing attorney general jeff sessions of the russian investigation? this is the first known time that muller's investigation has gone inside the president's cabinet. also joining the next hour, house judiciary chair paul good lap on jeff sessions going to get to the bottom of those months worth of missing text messages between the two fbi officials were having that affair who exchanged antitrust messages. we get answers on it, will anybody be held accountable? that one more on overtime top of the hour. >> sandra: thank you. >> marie: there is no signs of a gender gap and support the president from. over the weekend, thousands of women marking the president's first anniversary in office by marching in protest saturday in cities like new york city and washington. and while surveys showed the president has struggled with women, the latest cnn poll put his different approval among the group at 65%. it's a much different story among men. that same poll shows the president's approval among that group jumping to 49%, an eight-point rise. the poll also found the president's approval improved ten points among conservatives. but mostly of those independents who lead towards the republican party already. so it is also reports that are ncc chairwoman has told the white house she's worried about their support with women particularly in the midterm. what do you think -- those of the publican party have a women problem? >> josh: i'm clearly the least qualified on the couch. >> marie: that's why went to you first. >> josh: i will say this. democrats have at least for the last decade made a centerpiece of every political campaign a concerted effort to try to drive a wedge and identity politics in one of them is gender. so you see all the marches that happen over the weekend, you saw the marches after the inauguration, the goal of all is that is to somehow try to represent to this president doesn't represent women. it was a concerted effort, it's a huge campaign, it's funded by millions and millions of dollars. so to the extent that there is a gender gap, campaigns work. space as i would also say the president's own words give a lot of fodder to people that he could treat women a little better. we had the story recently about the star stormy daniels. >> sandra: i think that gets away. i think that's not fair. >> marie: is something that you see in polls. >> sandra: if you ask people directly, should the president choose a different language, chris people are going to say yes. >> marie: do you think that will impact how women vote? >> sandra: i'm saying what women care about is their families, their pocketbook, the economy, and if a strong economy as a direct reflection of the party in power, women will continue to vote in that direction. right now, i'm around young families all the time and people feel good about the current situation, feel good about the economy unemployment is down, jobs are going. they like what they are seeing. the economy is huge when it comes to women and taking care of their families. >> katie: i think it's important to get back to the things that matter and president from has more women in his cabinet and i think any other president ever has. he is nikki haley at the u.n. front and center taking on the rest of the world, kellyanne conway as the first female woman to ever run a successful presidential campaign. as an get any credit for that and all we can focus on are these women who went out in the streets dressed in a male body parts and claim to represent women and what they care about. i think it's disrespectful to women to represent them that way and it's not about women, it's about being anti-trump and program aggressive policies because people like me aren't welcome at that march because i believe differently. when a claim that representing all women, it's about victimhood, but identity politics and it's about making sure that women feel like they have to vote for democrats because the government is going to take care of them when the family is not. >> marie: are you concerned about the poll numbers? 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>> marie: no, see you later. >> sandra: we are back at noon tomorrow, here's harris. >> harris: the russia investigation reaches the president's cabinet, let's go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. jeff sessions has been interviewed as a special counsel to the russia probe, the first known time that they have interviewed apart the men's member of the president's cabinet. this comes as robert mueller is investigating contacts between the presidential campaign and the kremlin and whether the actions constituted any obstruction of justice. the white house says it is nothing to hide. >> the administration continues to cooperate with the special counsel, we have been transparent during this process

senate floor where mitch mcconnell and democratic leader chuck schumer have just spoken after a vote on a bill to continue funding the government failed. but it was held open for nearly two hours as senators appeared to continue negotiations. we saw mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer leave the senate chambers and then come back. and then this moment got the attention of reporters when chuck schumer and republican senator lindsey graham, who both voted no tonight, possibly fist bumped each other. that senate vote ended, but the senate is still voting. they are now voting on a procedural motion to move towards a vote on a spending bill that will keep the government functions or at least give the government money until february the 8th. after the first vote failed, senator mitch mcconnell spoke and not surprisingly blamed the shutdown on democrats. >> what we have just witnessed on the floor was a cynical decision by senate democrats to shove aside millions of americans for the sake of irresponsible political games. we'll vote again so the american people knows who stands for them. when fri

to impossible. chuck schumer on a day of finger-pointing and name-calling. welcome to a saturday addition of "washington today" here on c-span radio. who will make the next move? the white house and congressional leaders say they want a solution, but house republicans say they will not negotiate on immigration policy. that has been a key sticking point for democrats. the house and senate will continue weekend sessions. the president remaining at the white house, and parts of the federal government is shut down. joining us is alex bolton, from "the hill." who are you talking to and what are you hearing? to senatorstalking of both parties who are having meetings on the side away from the leadership to try and figure out whether they can present a proposal that would have a strong majority in the senate to reopen the government. there was a meeting a little while ago convened by senator susan collins in her office. ofwas attended by a number senators on both sides of the aisle. joe manchin, the democratic aderate from west virginia, state from one by 32 points, he faces a top electi

something. but, you know, wendy, chuck schumer voted for the reagan tax cuts. so did ted kennedy and joe biden has been for tax cuts in the past. watch this. we have red state democrat joe manchin, he's still slamming the tax cuts just moments ago to our own neil cavuto. let's take a listen. neil: goldman sachs supporter hillary clinton said he thinks that donald trump is driving this economy. jamie diamond over at jp morgan chase is saying because of these tax cuts, he thinks it's going to produce 4% growth. if that pans out, you've just paid for the tax cuts. >> if it pans out for ten years, thank god. if it doesn't pan out, go and look at your children and grandchildren and thank them because they'll be paying for it. liz: ten years. is manchin is campaign on that? will manchin be in office long enough to find out? >> what we're seeing here is they're actually laying people off. at&t is bound to lay off thousands. and now we just found out that $46 billion in revenue was cut because tourism costing people jobs. liz: those job layoffs probably in the works for a long time. you see

how to do that, don. >> jeff zeleny at the white house. jeff, i want you to stand by. we're going to get to our other players in just moments. i think it's important to let this play out. there are ten seconds left officially until the top of the hour until there is an official government shutdown. your lawmakers now still working to try to come up with something, but obviously that will be too late. here's the breaking news. it is midnight. no deal. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. a shutdown of the federal government is now beginning. senators still on the floor intensely negotiating. negotiations are contining past the deadline even though the deadline is midnight, and that is when the government officially shuts down. but there is no deal yet. and that means a shutdown is under way. i want to get to cnn's phil mattingly. he was on capitol hill. jeff zeleny joining us again from the white house. phil mattingly, to you first. take us behind the scenes. still negotiating going on, but the deadline was midnight. midnight is here. >> reporter: that's exactly right. i think it's important to note, don, that it's very clear that the deadline itself is arbitrary in terms of what's actually hatching on t happening on the snoot floenate. there have been intense negotiations, negotiations at the leader level from mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer, walked off the floor together, were pitching different ideas back and forth for a potential resolution to this. at one point i'm told democrats pitched the idea of keeping the government funded through january 29th. why does that matter? well, the state of the union is on january 30th. that was considered a non-starter by republicans. it was rejected. what you're watching right now on the floor, if you look at that group that's cloistered in the middle of the floor right now, it is almost entirely democrats with senator lindsey graham, a republican, sitting at the center of them. don, we've talked about this repeatedly throughout the night. senator lindsey graham has been proposing a three-week continuing resolution, basically saying that the current funding bill that would go till four weeks, reduce that to three weeks, give people the opportunity to work on a resolution for the daca issue, work on a resolution for a two-year spending bill, the myriad of issues that are still out there right now. that is his pitch. the groups have been going back and forth. republicans were circled journalistjust a short while ago around mcconnell. schumer was surrounded by democrats talking about the pathway forward. that's when senator graham came over. what you've seen is basically an impassioned plea on the floor by senator graham to his democratic colleagues, trying to get them on board. here's the big issue as i'm told right now. democrats are looking for something. democrats have already rejected in a closed door meeting earlier tonight and a couple times on the floor this idea of a three-week short-term funding bill. the question becomes are they willing to just move on into this shutdown that has already begun, as you talked about, don, or are they going to continue to talk and potentially move towards where senator graham's proposal has been? that is still an open question. this is live. this is all happening right in front of you right now. that's the behind the scenes. that's where the talks are. i've been told by multiple republican staffers that they didn't think anything was going to be finalized tonight. the parties were too far apart. but they were more than willing to continue having the discussions, trying to see if there was some way out of this kind of box canyon that they've all found themselves in this evening. that's what you're watching. it could come to an end shortly. i think the people -- i can tell you this in texting back and forth with people, people are starting to get frustrated that they're not totally sure that a resolution can ever be reached at this point, at this hour, with all the dynamics that are at play. but those are the discussions that are ongoing. they are trying to avoid this. but at this point, they haven't actually figured out a way to do it, don. >> reporter: the white house calling it a schumer shutdown, blaming democrats, saying that they will not negotiate until they vote for this. but, don, the reality here is that does not offer much of a pathway forward as phil mattingly was just explaining the scene there. and that is an extraordinary scene we're seeing on the left of the screen. again, you would wonder why this hadn't happened earlier, but you see mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader, john cornyn, the number two republican in the senate, not part of the discussion that is going on behind them. but it is democrat votes that they are looking for, for whatever solution they are trying to find to come out of 60 votes here. but, don, as we sort of take stock of this, it will be an indication to see what the president decides to do tomorrow. he was scheduled to go to florida. that trip now obviously off. next week, he was scheduled to fly to davos, switzerland, to attend the world economic forum. that trip very much in peril. with a government shutdown, it's very difficult for the president to travel. we saw in 2013, president obama had to cancel one of his foreign trips to asia because of a shutdown. those are the ramifications at this point. even more so, specific agencies like the cdc, some 63% of the workforce furloughed. of course we are heading into a weekend. the white house believes there will not >>> all right, jeff, standby, phil, i want you to stand back in here. talk to me about the democrats and republicans who switched side and across the isle on this vote and how important was that on this significance. >> first, you can break it down in a couple of different ways. first, you have five democratic senators vote for the government spending bill or vote to continue to move forward. where did those senators come from? they come from states that president trump in 2016 as candidate trump won handedly. there is a lot of political dynamics at play here. there is also a recognition according to multiple sources inside senator schumer office that there were senators were not going to be with them. they were almost released and it is a vote however they see fit. their electoral prospects are more important in keeping all 49 senators together if you will. now you had two republican senators who voted pretty much against every bill. they want a better budgeting process and long-term funding bill and major spending cuts so. they're kind of baked into a short term c.r. and you have senator graham and jeff flake. senator graham where you see on the floor right now continuing o f the resolution is one of the central player of the daca issue. he's a coauthor to deal with that issue and of the proposal that the president rejected. you also have senator jeff flake, he's also in the game of six related to the bipartisan proposal. his reason for opposing this is also immigration related. one of the issues and one of the promises that was made to jeff flake to ensure his vote was that there would be a vote on an immigration proposal to address the daca issue in january. that has not happened because that commitment has not been kept up to this point. he's also opposed. you see a lot of dynamics that's at play. there is a reason why the vote has broken down as it has. there is a reason why there is a bipartisan group of members that opposed this and a bipartisan group that were for it. this is not as clean issue. there is complicated dynamics in both parties here. one of the key reasons why in terms of pathway forward of what's most interesting to see is how these dynamics break down in the days ahead and what the pressure turns into that's put on this red state democrats and how people like lyndsey graham clearly at the forefront trying to figure out the solution right now and strike a deal and address what's going to happen in the future on daca and far more align on democrats on that, right now in terms of trying fie find a resolution in the near terms. all of those things are at play right now. basically, it under scores it, it is not easy and not going to be clean. these are all calories players akey players playing ahead. >> so we see some key players there on the senate floor. you see chuck schumer who's sitting down elizabeth warren is wearing purple there. it is hard for make out for me. i know at home with your tv, you can see these people. you have al number of key players that's still there in the middle on the senate floor. what is left to be done here. what's happening? >> the best i know right now according to sources that i have been talking to. you can go around the circle of senator schumer right now. senator elizabeth warren is front and center and mark warner and senator bennett in colorado is a key player and senator chris kuehn and a democratic that's trying to find a pathway. he said republicans need to analyze how someone like me is willing to vote against the funding bill. in other words, how can chris kuehn come across this isle that's so frustrated and willing to vote no. what you are seeing in realtime and living color is what's going on booiehind the scenes in a cld door conference tonight. the result is voting against it and pushing the break and over it. the reality and the wait of the fangt that t fact that the shutdown is here and in effect. is that perhaps playing a large role into these conversations right now. as we have been talking about, there are proposals on the ta table. these do not address the key and components, mostly on daca, there is nothing related to daca of what's been offered on the floor. if that's the case, are these democrats willing to buy a firm position. >> you can see republican from tennessee but also lawmakers who's considered willing to make deal with the democrats and somebody really critical with the president in the past. what you see right now is individuals who don't want the government shutdown to continue beyond tonight but are torn by the specific policy requests that they made and won't be made anything that's on the table currently. it is unquestionably a difficult dynamic which i am not sure how they'll find their way out right now. don, i covered this place for a long time and i have not seen something like this where everybody helicopters to negotiate with live proposals hours into a vote that we know will fail but already did. >> you see bob corker speaking with elizabeth warren live on your television at midnight. how often do we need these two people and bob corker trying to negotiate something especially now on midnight live on television. >> traditionally to be bloununt. everybody knows where the deals with and what amendment is going to be offered and everybody knows kind of where the final votes are going to be. that's the interesting dynamic and fascinating to watch like a congress nerd at this point which i can admit to be. >> we like that though. that's good. >> the more interesting element is the recognition of the wait of the moment. you are seeing republican leader mitch mcconnell is starting to talk to chuck schumer and john cornyn and key staffers both are also in that huddle. this is my sense of things in watching this right now, don, this is the moment where they're going to call it a. >>> i night and nothing is goin happen. it is not going to end. something has to happen. they have to move onto something else. it may be a shell holder or a procedure of motion will follow and likely the leaders will talk. if the vote goes down and there is no resolution, both sides need to understand they need to frame what's happening right now so you can absolutely expect to hear from leaders. the question is are they going to be saying blame game type stuff or talking about a deal that they're trying to strike right now. >> new title, senate nerds. >> bill, that's good, i am glad. when we needed that, we need to know exactly what's going on. this is an unprecedented moment to see this happening. again, the vote is still opened. they still have not close the vote yet. at midnight as you said, we have been reporting that's when it officially shutdown and kicks in. they can negotiate something now and have to work it through. the government is shutting down or is shutdown. both are accurate. i want you to standby, i want you to get back to the white hous house. jeff, i want to know what you make of this, you covered the white house in 2013. >> i did indeed don. an excellent play -by-play here. i am struck by this. moments ago sarah sanders referred to these people as losers. these are senators working on a deal. >> now we'll be hearing from senator mcconnell. we'll keep our eyes on this, don. this is something that clearly they're trying to work out a deal but important to remember. it takes both chambers here to do something so even if the when they would reach a deal - tomorrow, this would have to go back to the house of representatives. it is one reason that the house is staying in washington for the weekend. >> listen to this, don, as they call this gavel here. >> 50 and the nays is 49. >> majority leader? >> i had a motion reconsider to vote. >> motion entered. >> i want to call my colleagues apart of the white house and press secretary tonight, presumably on behalf of the administration simply says we'll not negotiate the status of unlawful immigrants while democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands, appropriately represents the white house's view of where we are and mr. president, what we just witnessed on the floor was a cynical decision by democrats shoving aside millions of americans for political games. the government shutdown was 100% avoidable, completely unavoidable. now, it is imminent all because the democrats chose to filibuster a funding bill that contains nothing, not a thing that they support. nothing they do not support, perhaps, across the house some of our democratic colleagues are feeling proud of themselves. what has their filibuster accomplished? >> what does it accomplish? >> the answer is simple. their own government shutdown. shutdown affects the american people will come as no surprise. all week as we sit on the floor begged our colleagues to come to their senses, senate republicans have described exactly what this will mean. shutting down the government means delay pays and many thousands supporting their missions, it means furloughs. for the families of fallen heroes, it means a freeze on survivors b survivors's benefits. >> and access of hair, shutting down of treatments and so many americans struggling with opioid addiction. i am saying it is truth. thanks to the democratic leader decision, the health children program and low income families will slip closer to losing health coverage for their kids and many states, this is an emergency. i am having trouble understanding which one of these outcomes from our democratic colleagues could possibly be proud of. which one of it? ignore the governors including seven democrats who wrote to congress begging us to extend for nine million children. ignore the needs of americans who relies on the federal government for important services. they held all of it hostage over the completely unrelated issue of illegal immigration. republicans in the senate have done all that we can to continue the normal operation of the federal government and security a certainty for these kids. we can pass it tonight and goes to the president for sure, these kids will be okay. well, we are going to continue to do all that we can. we'll vote again so the american people knows who stands for them and when our friends across the isle remembers who it is, they actually represent we'll come together in a bipartisan discussion to be necessary to clean up all of this mess. we have all been having private conversations here on the floor, almost everybody on both sides don't understand how we ended up here. because of the stuff is not real. there is only one reason we ended up here. the shoe horning of illegal immigration ended this debate. having said this, there is a lot of sympathy in this body for doing something about the daca kids. it is not like nobody is interested in that. we have been talking about it for three months but the one reason we are where we are, is because we could not close out any of these other component parts because our friends on the other side said you got to deal with this issue. this issue is the key to getting defense spending. this issue is the key to get help for our kids and on and on. i think most of the american people believe shutting down the government over this issue does not everyone ripen until march is irresponsible. i have just listed all the people that's going to be adversely i mpacted by this action. we are going to keep on voting and the government maybe heading under shutdown but the senate is not shutting down. we are open to talk and resolve this. i don't think it makes the institution looks very responsible. the american people should expect better from us. . >> already, you are listening to senate majority mitch mcconnell starting off reading. here is chuck schumer. >> the majority leader just allowed us to vote on a continuing resolution that he knew lacked the votes long before this hour. it is not just democrats who opposed this c.r., several republicans did as well. all of today, we have enkedeavod to reach a deal. the healthcare issues and disaster relief and immigration issues. president trump reached out to me today this morning to invite me to the white house to talk all of these issues over. i accept it. we had a lengthy discussion. during the meeting, an exchange of daca, i reluctantly put the border wall for discussions. even that was not enough to entice the president to finish the deal. many democrats don't want to go that far on the border. many republicans don't either. but, we are willing to compromise with the president to get an agreement. in the room, it sounded tlilikee president was opened to accept it. this afternoon in my heart, i thought we may have a deal tonight. that was how far we have come. that's how positive our discussion felt. we had a good meeting but what has transpired in that office is indicative of the process of republicans have engaged in the negotiations thus far. everyone though president trump seemed to like an outline of a deal in the room, he did not presses his party in congress to accept it. speaker ryan and leader mcconnell without the commitment of the president would not agree to accept anything either. what happened to president trump who asked us to come up with a deal and promised that he would take heat for it. what happened to that president? he backed off at the first sign of pressure. we have the outline of the deal on caps and on healthcare, we have the outline of the deal on immigration, the toughest issue. we could have passed a short term on the funding so we can cross the t's and the i's and done it all. the president provided no guidance and prevailed again today unfortunately. the same chaos, the same d disey that's been in the background for these negotiations for months unfortunately appears. it is standing in the way of bipartisan solutions to all of the issues now before us. every american knows the republican party controls the white house, the senate, the house -- it is their job to keep the government open. it is their job to work with us to move forward. they did not reach out to us once on this c.r., no discussions and no debate. nothing at all. it was produced within an ounce of democrats and dropped on our laps. they control every ounce of the process and it is their responsible to govern and here they have failed. several republicans voted against the c.r. as well as democrats for the same reason we vote against it. one of the most serious consequences of having continuing resolution after continuing resolution is the damage it does to our military. as the pentagon spokesperson says last night, another c.r. is was wasteful and destructive. becau that's the navy secretary of what you have done. this is no way to conduc the nation's business. republicans know it, democrats know it and the american people know that this party is not capable of governing. so where do we go from here? i believe many of my republican colleagues sincerely want to get a deal. i know their hearts are in the right place. i know they lament the fact that we accept brinksmanship. now, all of these problems is because republican leadership cannot get to yes because president trump refuses to. mr. president, president trump, if you are listening, i am urging you, please take yes for an answer, the way things went today, the way you turn from a bipartisan deal, it is almost as if you were rooting for a shutdown. now we'll have one and the blame should crash entirely on president trump's shoulders. this will be called the trump's shutdown. this will be called the trump's shutdown because there is no one, no one who deserves the blame for the position we find ourselves in more than president trump. he walked away from two bipartisan deals, including one today in which i put the border wall on the table. what will it take for president trump to say yes and learn how to execute the government. tomorrow will mark a year of president trump took the oath of office on the capitol steps. unfortunately, a trump's shutdown would be a perfect encapsulation of the chaos he unleashed. instead of bringing us together, he pulled us apart. instead of governing us in the m middle, he outsourced to the extreme. he's been a single driving force in congress and now at this late hour, his behavior is on the verge of grinding our government to a halt, a trump shutdown. i know there are men and women of goodwill on the other side of the isle who are just as upset as i am with the direction we are headed in. i plead with them to see reasons and prevail upon their leaders and most of all the president to give us the space to work together to let us do the job the american people except us here to do. when president trump decides he's finally ready to lead his party to a deal, democrats will be ready, willing and eager to clinch it. there is a path forward, we can reach it quickly tomorr. tomorrow the president and the four leaders should charlotsit d finish this deal so the entire government can gaet back to wor on monday, yield the floor. >> there you have it, you heard from the majority leader and the minority leader there, you heard from mitch mcconnell and shuchu schumer lastly. mitch mcconnell is speaking again. >> the senator during alabama during his campaign says it was important. he listened to the seven democratic governors, he said this is an emergency, we need help. so there were five courageous democrats on the other side who stood up to this ridiculous argument. that it made sense somehow to shutdown the government over an illegal immigration issue that the vast majority of this body would like to do something about anyway. so i want to particularly commend the five democrats who had the courage to stand up to this ridiculous strategy that put their whole party, incredible predicament because as the white house just indicated, the president is not going to talk about the issue at all while the government shutdown. >> it made it quite clea clear -- said when democrats start paying our arm forces and first responders, we'll open our immigration and re-negotiation reform. this strategy eliminated the possibility on the thing that shuts the government down over. anybody can explain to me this strategy? i am perplexed. i was not first in my class but i was not last either. how does it get done of what will they're looking for? well, we'll continue to talk because when all the games stopped, the issues are still there. every single one of them are still there. the american people expect us to act like adults to get together and solve the problem. i will be offering an amendment to change the date to february the 8th. we are unfortunately not able to get that vote tonight but i will be subsequently asking for a consent. at some point we'll be voting on february the 8th. the democratic leader and i have been talking about, the senator from south carolina which begins to move a little bit closer to where our friends on the other side said they wanted to be but a reasonable period of time that takes into account the state of the union and party conferences, and just the amount of time it takes to actually write a bill once you have an agreement. i mean you cannot just reach an agreement and snap like your fingers and everything falls into place and you are ready to go. so a reasonable period --spto f degree and right to ready to pass, this negotiation settlement that we have been working on for months, february the 8th is a reasonable time. i hear the sentiment for that on both sides of the isle at some point. we'll vote on that option. i cannot get that vote tiept on but i am going ask that since to have that vote for tonight. i move mr. president to the table to the motion to refer. >> is there a second? >> mr. alexander. >> hi. >> mr. baldwin? >> mr. brazos. >> they're voting to see when they can bring this stuff again. again, you heard from senate minority leader and senate majority leader both there speaking. it is interesting what the blame is going around, mitch mcconnell started off by reading a statement by white house press secretary sarah sanders' basically saying they did not want to play politics with the dreamers and democrats. democrats saying it is going to be democrats' fault if the program is not funded and the children are not protective and he talked about putting people who's dealing with the opioid crisis turning their backs on them and talking about how the american people were going to be affected by. what most people could agree on, the american people should be upset that the government is working this way and they did not get together to come to some sort of deal to work it out. again, that was mitch mcconnell. he needs that to keep it open and they continue to work on this. chuck schumer coming up moments later, i think one of the things i want to point out and i will go through what chuck schumer said. schumer at least three times or possibly four referred to this as the trump shutdown which is now trending on social media. as you know the president and the administration have called it the schumer shutdown for a while now, he's saying that the only person that can be blamed now is the president. he says something that's interesting that he thought they would come to some osort of dea. he said the president called him up and invited him to the white house and had a productive meeting and in the spirit of bipartisan and giving something and he said he everyone put the border wall on the table everyone though democrats did not want to go that far and the president rejected that. so i think that's important to point out in our conversation as we continue because you know the blame game is going to go around and we'll assess this to try to figure out what happened and how we got to this point. i want to bring in our expert here phil mattingly who's watching this and jeff that's watching this on the white house line. to you phil, the date february 8th that mitch mcconnell wants to put on the table, he's saying it takes a while coming up with legislation that everyone is happy with. unless something happens tomorrow as chuck schumer says the four leaders meaning the house leaders and the majority and snominority leaders in the senate could come together. it is leading me to believe that he thinks it may last longer than most people believe it may last. >> what is clear now and what's apparent at multiple different times throughout the day at least according to aids in both parties that i have been talking to is there is no clear resolution at this point. if they were not going to figure something out by tonight, this was going to drag on for a bit. the weekend provides them a little bit of space, the real teeth of the shut down does not hit until monday and a lot of cases. however, the dynamics here, don, these are so important in terms of what democrats actually want out of this and what the white house statements said and what mitch mcconnell is focused on the floor. democrats made it clear, they want some type of resolution to daca, the white house in their statement says that won't be in in discussion until some type of short term resolution is considered. mcconnell on the floor making the key distinction that what you are going hear probably every hour from republicans as long as this goes on that democrats are choosing a government shutdown in order to do something with undocumented immigrants. that's the focus and the framing from republicans and that shows you how difficult bridging this divide will be. what is interesting is that you noted, senator mcconnell putting up the idea that he will offer an amendment that'll change the date from four weeks to three weeks. that's been something that's batted around, don, we talked about it repaeatedly as a possible solution, that's what lyndsey graham is pitching to the floor to a large group of democrats. i am told democrats will not accept that. again, they have specific policy reques requests. if those are not met, there is no resolution in the near future. we talked about it a couple of times, the wild card is the president, i know from talking from several sources when senator came back from the meeting, he felt that they were in a good place and there is a possibility in the opening. when he said he put the wall on the table of a large request that the president have made and he was willing to concede and lay large piece that the funding request of the white house related to the building of that wall, that was what was on the table and it turned out that was not enough. i think what that all underscores here are of the dynamics that's on play. they should be decoupled and democrats have made it clear. that's a essential component of whatever the resolutions are going to be. this is not coming an end any time soon, don. >> important to point out, phil, what schumer said is tomorrow is the one year anniversary, it is right now. right now is tomorrow, it is 12:43 here on the east coast, the government is in the process of shutting down for 43 minutes. the first year of the trump's presidency was ushered in by the shutdown. that'll not sit well with the president of the united states and republicans and his administration who were his supporters there on capitol hill. >> yeah, everybody is aware of the optics and a lot of people have been talking about it throughout the week. the most interesting element is how does the president react? you have been talking to democrats who's been making this point. the last quarter maybe half of senator schumer's speech on the floor trying to lay the framework or what happens tonight is directing the president at one point saying, mr. president, if you listening please take yes or an answer and going onto say repeatedly that this was president trump shutdown. they want to make this about president trump. there is no question about it. the other issue here and this is important is it goes to the fact that people are not totally certain if the anniversary of the inauguration, if this important moment is going to have a real impact on the debate. they don't know up here on capitol hill. they're not sure wihere the president is going to go whether it is 280 kyle clarcharacters o statement from the white house. that's something that can shake things up in a way that leads to some resolutions that we cannot figure out what it will be or it can make things worse. >> phil mattingly, thank you very much. >> standby, i want to get to jeff. folks are concerned and wondering how are the president of the united states react. we have not heard directly from the president himself. the one year anniversary of the president of the united states inauguration going into a second year ushering in by a government shut down, jeff. >> there is no question about that. that's not how the president wanted to usher in his first year, he was expected and scheduled to be waking up tomorrow morning in mar-a-lago, his retreat in sunny palm beach celebrating the anniversary and instead he will wake up here at the white house, the house will be coming into sessions in the morning and there could be a series of meetings. there is a fight between if there is a shutdown, is it a schumer shutdown or a trump shutdown? it is an american shutdown. their voices sounded familiar to the eve of shutdown of 2013 of a couple of different players, the same rhetoric here. once you shift the blame away, the reality is of this president to lead the way out of this. one thing i was struck watching senator mcconnell talking about the five democrats that voted yes and he did not mention the four republicans that voted no. those are central on whatever the agreements that's worked out. that's rand paul, jeff flake and mike lee and lyndsey graham, it is not just a democratic shutdown here, the reality is, once cooler have prevailed and i think they will because both sides realized that it is not good for them. that's why mcconnell came back to the microphone and proposing for three weeks to february 8th. the question here is whether democrats go for that because they do not twawant the heat of this shutdown necessarily on some of their members particularly the one that is voted yes. >> mr. trump and mr. president, are you listening, we do not know if the president is watching. we can see the white house, a few lights are on. the president could be watching television, i don't know whether he is or not. he will be briefing what's happening now and how he decides to weigh in directly in the morning will set the tone for how long the shutdown will go and how they'll find their way out of it, don. >> all right, jeff, standing by at the white house, thank you very much. stick around, we have more to go. i want to bring in back david. by the way, at palm tomorrow, a high of 73 and won't be sunny. he may feel a little bit better about this. david, i want to ask you about this, do you think this will last for a while? >> i don't think so. so 2013 went on for 16 days and there is no question our politics are much more toxic now. look at what mitch mcconnell came out of the gate with. the white house statement calling democrats destruction losers and schumer coming back calling this on the shoulders of the united states. this is playing out right now. >> as he said trump shutdown over and over, oh, i thought it is not going well with the president. just now, once side now has to back down, again, their bases are going to energyize and this could last for a while. >> i want to talk about the statements of mcconnell and schumer. can we get the white house's statements up. you are saying they're playing politics and calling them losers. this is from sarah sanders. >> tonight they put politics above our national families and vulnerable children of our country and ability to serve our americans. this is a behavior of obstructionist losers, not le e legislators. duri the president and the administration will fight and protect the american people. >> david, how does language like unlawful immigrants and holding lawful citizens hostage and obstructionist losers, is that it's like bulletin board material. less than two weeks ago the president was saying we need a bill of love. around daca and the statement just now. calling democrats obstructionist and losers. if you look at all three statements, i think that senator schumer probably scored the points or drew the first blood or whatever. crazy analogy you want to use. because he took the schumer shut down hash tag and flipped it around and called it the trump shut down. signaling to the white house that at least tonight he and his caucus were not goij to back down. da d democrats will have to climb down. it would be crazy for democrats to not string this out for a little bit. or else republicans will still know they can push democrats around. i know that both parties want to make a deal and it would be better for the country if the government stayed open. but for two party system to work again i think you have to have a situation where both party have incentive to deal squarely at arms length. right now democrats are trying to prove republicans have to deal with them. that's why we're in the a shut down. >> were you surprised when chuck schumer mentioned he during that meeting at the white house he put the border wall on the table and the president according to to chuck schumer said no, even that couldn't win him over. >> we don't know the details of what he was proposing to the president. we heard from republicans today that the president was assuring them or the white house fts assuring them a deal was not going to be struck there. they were talking about general out lines for something. still a number of questions about what happened today. and a number of questions about what was happening on the senate floor over the past few hours. what were the senators discussing. mitch mcconnell broke news a few minutes ago when he said he's going bring up a shorter k krrgs r to february 8. to try to get a sense of urgency around getting the immigration negotiations going get. and getting them finished. before that next deadline. maybe that's going to be the middle ground that we are looking for here. so some sort of assurance from republicans to democrats that short of an immigration deal during the shut down they will have one in the next few weeks. >> david druker, mcconnell saying the american people should expect better of their leaders. >> well, both side of the aisle always talk about the american people. as though they're on their side. and paying attention. to what's happening in washington. i don't think many americans will notice over the weekend what's happening. and i don't think they'll be that shocked when they figure out the government has been shut down. we have been governing from crisis to crisis for the past six, seven years regardless of who's fault it's been. approximate people have been split. right now both sides are trying to figure out a way out of this. but a way out of this where they come out on top. for the democrats it's not as simple as calling it a trump shut down. and we saw some of that in the cnn polling today. voters when asked in the polls if they believe that a solution to the daca issue should be a part of budget negotiations, even though they believe the dreamers should stay and the issue should be fixed. there's not a huge majority of support for tieing that to budget discussions. and holding up a budget until you can reach a daca fix. that's part of the challenge that the democrats are going to have to figure out as they use the only power they have in town. their senate minority. and the super majority vote threshold in the senate. to try and get a deal. for republicans what they need to be careful about is the fact that because they do run both branchs of government the executive and legislative, ultimately voters could look to them to try and get some of the resolve. for the president, he can come out on top on this potentially. he has to look involved and he has to look like he's trying to find a solution. so that's sort of the game he has to play. what republicans in the senate are trying to do, we have sewn that. they're trying to give a little on the at a time. they're tieing themselves to the president and taking a chance that the president that by sticking with him and by staying unified they will keep the democrats cornered and end up winning this fight. >> what happened, david, to the deal maker? i alone can fix this. >> i think the deal maker will blame the swamp. and not take responsibility for this. it's that will be the democratic talking point. i do think as time goes by, it will be difficult for democrats. trump will be blamed. the other theme from schumer is chaos. chaos in the republican side. and their inability to govern. and that i think will resonate with people. some independents who voted for trump. the tweets play into this. and think about tomorrow morning. maybe the president has gone to bed. he likes to tweet early. he won't be happy. if he gets out there with tweets it adds to the chaos theme. the instability. the anniversary of his swearing in. it's not a good message for republicans. >> nice he can sleep with the -- i don't know what to do. he has a government job and wants to continue to work. >> the week will pass. the people i talked to about this where i work were confused about what's happening. they didn't understand. or who was to blame. as time goes by, the sense of chaos in the country of unpredictability hurts the president more than the democrats. >> i'm trying to get the i don't have the information, what the gentleman said to kennedy. it's on the screen. i was stopped by an older gentleman collecting our trash can. excuse me sir, did they pass a vote? they did not. i need to stop working by midnight. i said i need to hurry to finish. >> again. the deal makers promise was to make washington work. was to end all the games and get rid of the politicians and gets things done. as time goes by, he's failing. >> yeah. rebecca, so now what? that's what everyone is wondering. the gentleman working in washington. who is i assume with the janitorial service. what happens now? for people around the country and for those who are in washington? because chuck schumer say they need to come together and work on something. is that likely to happen tomorrow? >> right. it's likely senators will do that. and house members will do that. and leaders of both parties will be carrying on the negotiations. chuck schumer said the big four the big four leaders of in congress should get together and have the negotiations this weekend. the big question mark for me is what does the president say, what does he tweet? a few days ago he sort of unravelled the negotiations without any sort of warning. with a comment he made in the private meeting a at the white house. which was leaked. >> as they were saying i think it was mitch mcconnell. what happened between -- how did we get to this point? . the consensus from the room. my panel here and maybe you, the s hole comment happened. that actually what happened. and threw everything into chaos. they can look that far if they want blame. >> right. does that happen again? it could happen again. something like that could happen again. and so then does that extend the shut down for a few more days? for five more days. another week. the one thing with president trump that really unnerves leaders on both sides of the aisle in congress and really makes this negotiation so much more challenging is they truly don't know what the president will tweet tomorrow morning. they don't know what he will say to reporters. as he passes them on the lawn or meeting. and so that is the wild card. does he exhibit some sort of message of discipline. or go off the rails tomorrow when he's signs onto twitter. we don't know. >> house republicans and democrats will meet separately at 10:00 a.m. saturday. >> who knows what will happen in the negotiation. schumer again by telling people right on camera what he laid on the table in the deal. he got the better of mcconnell. this doesn't mean the democrats are going to win this battle. but schumer got out there and said he put border wall funding on the table. and the president waived him away. that number one has to enrage trump. because again his republicanation as a deal maker who can get things done behind the scenes and number two, schumer putting a shot across to mcconnell saying we tried to move forward. or i put the possibility out there. when you go into the negotiation over the weekend if the leadership goes to the white house, that's already been put out there for the entire american body politic to see. if i can say one quick thing about mcconnell saying how did we get here? i totally agree that the s hole comment was the straw that broke the camels back. we got here when there was a dream act vote in 2010. and the republicans voted against. a shut down in 2013 and republicans picked up seats in 2014. we know how we got here. again are pushing back. rats - >> thank you all. i have been informed we have another hour to

>>> tonight, breaking news as we come on the air. will there be a government shutdown? we take you inside the last ditch negotiating at this hour. and the president inviting democrat chuck schumer to the white house. what schumer revealed right after. one republican aide telling abc, "we're terrified trump is going to hose us." >>> inside the courtroom tonight, one of america's olympic stars face to face with doctor larry nassar, saying, quote, the tables have turned, larry. and what she said next. >>> the deadly flu. the 8-year-old girl who died just hours after arriving at the hospital. the 27-year-old who went home from urgent care, and then died. and can you catch the flu from simply breathing in the air? >>> new tonight, the las vegas massacre. what the girlfriend has now revealed. and never-before-seen pictures from inside the hotel room. >>> the parents charged. their 13 children allegedly held captive. tonight, the images you have not seen inside one of the homes where they lived. >>> and blown away. multiple passenger jets, planes coming in sideways, trying to land in 70 mile-an-hour winds. >>> good evening and it's great to have you with us and we begin with those high stakes negotiations under way at this hour. will there be a government shutdown or an 11th hour deal here? president trump stepping in today with an unexpected invitation to the senate's top democrat, chuck schumer, to come to the white house. schumer spending 90 minutes in the oval office. afterward the senator saying they made, quote, some progress, but that disagreements remain. and if there is a shutdown, what does it mean for americans across the country. everything from the cdc and their effort to fight this deadly flu, to our military. tonight no deal yet and abc's mary bruce leading us off from the hill. >> reporter: with just hours to go until a shutdown, a beaming democratic leader chuck schumer walked out of the west wing and returned to capitol hill. >> senator schumer, how was the meeting? >> we discussed all of the major outstanding issues. we made some progress. >> reporter: sources say the two new yorkers getting together to hash things out was the president's idea. trump called schumer this morning, inviting him to the white house. sitting down in the oval office, just the democratic senator, the republican president, and their chiefs of staff. >> unlike some of my republicans colleagues, i'm glad they're talking and i think president trump is a good dealmaker and maybe we'll get a deal. >> i hope that the president can talk some sense into senator schumer and the democrats. >> reporter: but for some republicans, the 90-minute sitdown set off alarm bells. "i'm terrified trump is going to hose us," one gop aide told abc. and tonight a presidential tweet -- "excellent preliminary meeting." >> we still have a good number of disagreements. the discussions will continue. >> progress on what? what did you make progress on, senator schumer? >> reporter: senate republicans are pushing a short-term plan to keep the government up and running, hoping to get democrats on board, it would also extend the children's health insurance program for six years. >> this vote should be a no brainer. >> reporter: but democrats are demanding guaranteed protection for d.r.e.a.m.ers, those nearly 800,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. >> where's the urgency when it comes to d.r.e.a.m.ers? there is an urgency. there's an urgency in their lives because of the uncertainty of tomorrow. >> reporter: with a shutdown in sight, frustration is growing. >> this is the greatest country in the world, but we do have some really stupid people representing it from time to time. >> reporter: so what would a shutdown mean for you? here's the bottom line -- it could cost the u.s. economy $38 million every hour. hundreds of thousands of federal employees would be furloughed without pay, and if a shutdown extends to february, members of the military will see their paychecks delayed. >> our men and women in uniform are not bargaining chips. >> reporter: essential services would continue. you'll still get your mail. social security benefits would go out. tsa and air traffic control would keep working. but in the middle of this deadly flu epidemic, the cdc's program tracking the spread of the virus could be shut down. as for members of congress, the ones most directly responsible for a shutdown, their paychecks would keep coming. >> let's get to mary bruce live on the hill tonight. early in the day a shutdown was looking likely, then that unexpected meeting, some nervous when they saw the president inviting chuck schumer in at the oval office. where do things stand at this hour? >> reporter: david, there's still no deal but the mood has shifted. there are glimmers of hope that they may be moving towards a short-term funding deal if not by midnight tonight then perhaps some time over this weekend before all those federal workers head back into the office on monday. david. >> another long night ahead for mary bruce. thanks. >>> president trump about to finish his first year in office and facing this test now, will the government remain open. i want to bring in our chief white house correspondent jonathan karl for one more question on this tonight because listen to what donald trump said in 2013 about a president's role in avoiding a government shutdown. >> you have to get everybody in a room, you have to be a leader. the president has to lead. you have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal. >> jon, now it's on this president and this congress and president trump and chuck schumer, both new yorkers, they've known each other a long time and as mary bruce just reported, some republicans were worried about the two of them sitting down today. >> reporter: they sure do have a long history. in fact, schumer even made a guest appearance on "the apprentice" more than a decade ago where he said he always knew that donald trump was going to go places. my sense is that the president really does want to strike a deal here. white house officials have even suggested to me it could be something as simple as protecting the d.r.e.a.m.ers in exchange for getting funding for his border wall. that is not a deal that would make conservatives happy, but as mary reported, republicans have been worried that the president would ultimately strike a deal with chuck schumer that they just don't like. >> jon, we'll be checking in later this evening. thanks. >>> we're going to turn next to a searing moment in court today. a u.s. olympic star face-to-face with former gymnastics team dr. larry nassar, saying, quote, the tables have turned, larry. that's not all she said. here's abc's linsey davis. >> reporter: larry nassar on the stand today, sobbing. unhinged by testimony from this woman who said she only recently came to terms with her own abuse. >> wow. what have you done? >> reporter: one of more than 100 women and girls testifying at his sentencing. earlier, an unexpected speaker -- olympic gold medalist alley race raisman with a warning. >> the tables have turned, larry. we have our voices and we're not going anywhere. now, larry, it's your turn to listen to me. i'm no longer a victim, i'm a survivor. >> reporter: raisman this time gives her abuser, the former team doctor for usa and michigan state a piece of her mind. >> the very person who sits before us now who perpetrated the worst epidemic of sexual abuse in the history of sports, this monster was also the architect of policies and procedures that are supposed to protect athletes from sexual abuse for both usa gymnastics and the usoc. >> reporter: no tears, just determination and anger directed at nassar and usa gymnastics. >> an organization that i feel is rotting from the inside. >> reporter: just yesterday usa gymnastics parted ways with the famed training center run by coaches bella and marta karolyi where several say nassar abused them. >> they nektd glected that they athletes trapiining there the d they released the statement. usa gymnastics, where is the honesty and transparency? >> reporter: still, raisman says her love of the sport is stronger than the evil in nassar and his enablers. >> i am here to tell you that i will not rest until every last trace of your influence on this sport has been destroyed, like the cancer it is. >> powerful statements. usa gymnastics is responding. >> they say the final camp will end on sunday even though they've maintained all along they never had any knowledge of this abuse. >> thank you, lindsey. >>> we turn to the 13 siblings allegedly held captive and tortured by their own parents and right here for the first time the images from inside one of the homes where the family once lived and what they reveal. tonight our matt gutman with the doctors now treating the children, what we now know about their conditions. >> reporter: tonight new images of the squalid turpin home, walls smeared with human fifth. images like these are part of a mountain of evidence california prosecutors are pouring through which they say could lead to even more charges against david and louise turpin. >> doesn't sound like punishment. it sounds like sadistic torture. >> reporter: the parents already facing life in prison if convicted, accused of starving and torturing their children. they pleaded not guilty. >> it feels from our perspective that we're looking into a pit and we don't know where the bottom is. >> reporter: their doctors say the siblings' physical condition is slowly improving but they suffered years of near total isolation. >> you're sort of teaching them social behavior. >> we are the first stage of their introduction to the outside world. >> reporter: they're now tended to by a hand-picked team that is touched by what they're seeing. >> they will hopefully go on in life and they'll have great lives. it would be nice to see that. >> reporter: david, hospital staff tell me that nearly every time they leave that ward, they weep. just over the past 24 hours, people have been dropping off the kinds of toys that those siblings have been deprived of for all those years, and in fact, donations are piling up including a number of support funds for those siblings now worth over $100,000. david. >> matt gutman, our thanks to you from california again tonight. matt, along with extraordinary access to the medical team, helping these children recover. a special edition of "20/20" later tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern. i'll see you then. >>> in the meantime, major developments in the investigation after the massacre in las vegas, the largest mass shooting in modern u.s. history. we have never before seen images from inside that hotel room and what the girlfriend has now revealed. here's abc's clayton sandell tonight. >> reporter: tonight new images from inside a hotel room turned sniper's nest. a staggering number of rifles strewn on countertops, chairs, beds, the floor. hundreds of shell casings and a hammer next to glass from the shattered window where stephen paddock opened fire. targeting a crowded vegas music festival below, murdering 58 people, injuring more than 700. >> get down, get down! >> reporter: for more than three months, authorities have provided few details about the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. today the sheriff released a report he calls "preliminary." >> i've lost a lot of sleep over this. >> reporter: but after chasing nearly 2,000 leads since october, the gunman's motive is still a mystery. they police say he acted alone. >> he had lost a significant amount of his monetary wealth in close proximity to 1 october and that may have a driving factor associated with it. >> reporter: the sheriff says he does not expect charges against paddock's girlfriend who had told investigators he had become distant and withdrawn over the last year and began buying more guns. the day before the shooting the gunman twice drove from the mandalay bay from his home returning with at least six suitcases. when police used explosives to below open his hotel room door, paddock was already dead. >> he believed that we were in close proximity of engaging him and he decided to take his own life. >> reporter: tonight the sheriff says the fbi still has an ongoing case against someone connected to the shooting but he's not saying who that is or why. >> thank you. >>> we turn to the deadly flu epidemic and new numbers from the cdc reveal what so many have suspected. this is the worst flu season in nearly a decade and tonight the 8-year-old girl who died just hours after arriving at the hospital. abc's steve osunsami is at the cdc in atlanta tonight. >> reporter: the flu epidemic has come to this tonight -- using foggers to spray disinfectant on the walls. this san antonio day care is trying to fight the flu bug like the cockroach. >> if there's one kid in here with the flu virus and that kid sneezes or coughs, guess what? this entire environment is now contaminated. >> reporter: classes are cancelled for a week in this school district north of dallas, after nearly a third of their kids came down with the flu. >> the flu is always severe but we have never seen it like this. >> reporter: this third grader from alabama died from the flu on the same night she was rushed to the hospital. she was just 8 years old. new numbers from the cdc show the flu is still spreading wildly, and tonight more than 8% of all deaths in this country are from the flu and pneumonia, the highest we've seen this winter. >> we're having a lot of activity everywhere all at the same time. >> reporter: 27-year-old katherine gallagher was found unconscious on her bathroom floor. she had visited an urgent care and was september hont home to rest. >> this is not to be trifled with. >> reporter: a study out of the university of maryland shows that the flu virus can be spread without even sneezing or coughing. nearly 40% of college students they tested were spreading the flu by simply breathing. >> that's going to alarm a lot of people. steve osunsami live outside cdc in atlanta tonight, steve you were telling us that health officials are encouraging anyone with symptoms to get help right away. >> reporter: that's right, david. the strain of this particular flu virus is the problem. the illness from it can get quite severe quickly and there are more deaths associated with this particular bug than any of the others. already across the country 30 children have died from the flu this season. david. >> steve, thanks for keeping us informed from 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senate mcmcconnell and chuck schumer didn't speak today. nas nancy pelosi pleaded for the temperature to be lowered. >> i think there's a path forward. i think we have to be thinking about what is next. none of us believe in, well, on our side of the aisle for shutting down government. let's take a deep breath. let's calm down. >> when i want to calm down, i bring this guy on, robert costa. when nancy pelosi asks what's next. i ask you, what's next? >> reporter: you have to put aside all of the public acrimony between the senate leaders and think about what's happening privately. the most important meeting happened in the office of susan collins. she gathered 19 senators from both parties together. they are trying to come up with a deal that would extend government funding through early february. along with a promise to vote on some kind of immigration measure that would protect dreamers. that doesn't mean it's going to happen but there are talks ongoing tonight. >> robert, a lot of conversations about who is talking to whom and who is not talking to whom. this thing stuck

their leader in the senate chuck schumer, senator schumer says they got a deal to immediately tackle legislation for daca in the dreamers program. that and they had supposedly aa week ago, what happened that changed is that democrats voted with republicans to reopen the government. i'm harris faulkner, you are watching our continuing coverage today as though shutdown ends at least temporarily on capitol hill. this is "outnumbered overtime," let's bring in my very first guest because he is in the senate, colorado senator cory gardner. he sits on the budget committee and chairs the senate g.o.p. campaign arm. a very important person to talk with right now. what happened in that room that changed things? >> it is curious because the same basic offer was made friday night to senator schumer that we would have a three week cr, we would turn to the issue of daca immigration. that was rejected on friday night, here we are on monday after having shut the federal government down for several days saying basically we will go back to that same deal that was rejected on friday night. i guess they