>> look, when we represented spiro agnew, we represented spiro agnew, the guy exposed but the vice president, we didn't have to worry about children, sons, a pair of sons, a son-in-law who also had exposure. the longer this thing goes on, the greater that exposure is going to be. and if he's going to cut a deal, the farther down the line he goes, the greater is the pile of evidence the government gets, the tougher that deal is going to be. i happen to agree that i don't think he would do it because i don't think he's got -- this takes a lot of contemplation. it takes a lot of balancing. it takes a lot of consideration. i don't think he's capable of that. >> so to that point -- >> yeah. >> sorry, to cut you off, martin, i wanted to ask quickly, it's great to have two brilliant legal minds here, the issue of a president being indicted and whether or not he can face the trial being president. what do you think, what does the legal matter tell us in terms of a sitting president being indicted or at least facing trial? >> i think there are a couple of different ways to speak it. martin is far mor

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and the principal lawyer for vice president spiro agnew. he wrote a piece in "time" magazine entitled, "i was a lawyer for spiro agnew. president trump should consider resigning." why should donald trump consider resigning? >> because it's only going to get worse. we already have everybody, you know, the rats are leaving the ship. he's lost gates, papadopoulos, cohen, flynn, now pecker. he'll probably lose others from the trump organization. and we don't know a quarter of what's in the pocket of the prosecutor. and if he has any interest at all in not only saving his skin but the skin of his child, his children, his son-in-law, his grandchildren, his daughter, this is a time when he's got to seriously think about it. now, is he capable of that, of serious thinking? frankly, i doubt it. if he's going to be advised by people like clown giuliani and people who don't know that truth is truth, then he's not going to get anywhere. the national interest is what drove the agnew resignation. >> so, did you push, aesthetic, i'm just curious, the joe

you heard it with richard nixon's attack dog vice president spiro agnew going after the mattering nabobs of negativis negativism, even generally george h.w. bush spent the final days of his 199 campaign imploring crowds to "annoy the media, reelect bush." >> and every one of you know what that means, every one of you know there has not been objectivity in the coverage. every one of you know it and they're having their own debates, these talking heads, have we been fair? this is the way we do it, that's the way we do it and everyone knows they're covering up the fact this has been the most biased year in the history of presidential politics. >>> the bigger turning point came a few years after that and i write about it in my new book "the red and the blue" it's available for pre-order and i'm excited about that. the change can be summed up in one name -- newt. as in newt gingrich who bristled with the same anger toward the national media. despicable, irresponsible and deliberately vicious, he could call it. this was more than just blowing off steam. what newt gingrich also saw was the vast

. >> spiro agnew. but those were gentle. that was gentle. that sounds mild. ali vitali, thank you for sharing. i know it's uncomfortable to talk about yourself as a story. but thank you for your professionalism and for the way you represent nbc news out there. >> thanks, chuck. >> you got it. all right. one more segment, panel, much appreciate it. >>> up ahead, welcome to august. it's the final primary stretch. wait until you see the loaded primary calendar we have ahead for you for the next four tuesdays. ♪ this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪ new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices a

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