. >> you work with -- basically i'm working with tim burton who is like the genius. [ applause ] so tim lays the whole thing out, it's all amazing, the sets and the costumes, colleen atwood, you know, colin farrell is in it with me who is terrific and also michael keaton who i've worked with three times plus "batman," "batman returns." and so, you know, the thing is you don't really see the elephant, okay, so it's kind of weirdy actory kind of thing. like, you know, you're going along and they have this big green frame, aluminum frame that tim moves around and that's mrs. jumbo, okay, so you're looking at her like, whoa, this is a big elephant but it's not there. you know it sounds like -- then, of course, with the baby elephant, with dumbo, when dumbo was born she has the baby, we had a guy, he's very athletic, ben, who is in a green suit, so he did things like when the baby elephant cuddles with the momma elephant, the guy in the green suit cuddles with the big green frame. you know, so it's like kind of like you have to use your imagine face and it's really cool and then finally what