the most negative things about biden have come from hillary clinton and obama staffers. is it because you saw him upclose? >> i love joe biden -- >> i'm not talking about you. i'm saying privately. >> i think -- so candid, okay. >> shame on you. >> i actually think -- okay. so i wanted joe biden to get into the race in 2016 because i am probably the only hillary clinton staffer who did because i thought more competition would be good for her and i thought she would probably beat him. but if not, if he won, so be it. there is some -- you know, so there's a little about him, you know -- he wasn't always the most supportive from the sidelines. so you might -- that might be reflected in how the clinton staff feels. and obama staff, i was an obama staffer who worked great with the vice president and had a lot of respect for him and think he is a very good person at governing and very good person at politics. not everybody felt that way. >> all right. keeping it real. pushing back, keeping it real. >> this is super real. >>> after the break with, donal trump has come a long wa

call the fbi when the russians offered dirt on hillary clinton? >> i wonder if there isn't an argument that the people had a right to know that information about hillary clinton? people had a right to know that hillary clinton and the people around her were as dishonest as they are. >> why not run an honest political campaign depicting that? why youz a foreign adversary? >> nobody used them. >> donald trump jr. accepted the wikileaks -- >> i let you read all that, but i notice you didn't read there was no evidence of collusion with the russians by trump or anyone in the trump campaign. there was no involvement. >> but they wanted to. should that bother americans they wanted to. >> if somebody on the campaign wanted to do something wrong -- a lot of people on hillary clinton's campaign wanted to do something wrong. the legal standard that makes it possible that we're not going to be prosecuted for our thoughts is every line we go right to the fact that did trump or anyone from the trump campaign participate in the disimnation of hacked material? an

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, where hillary clinton was standing next to him on stage. we've seen him use tactics that are potentially problematic for a woman candidate. so that's one thing people point to. >> and it is also something very hard to mention. monmouth took a poll last week. they did ask the question of democratic primary voters is it better to nominate a woman against trrp ump or better to nominate a man against trump? a vast percentage said it doesn't matter. among female democratic voters, 7% is nominate a woman, and there's a margin of error, and 10% said nominate a man and 12% better to nominate a man. so a little bit of a difference there. most saying no. zerlina, when you consider this issue and look at the polls, how real do you think this is? >> i think it's very real because women live in the world and we know sexism is a real thing. sometimes we skip over the fact sexism played a role in hillary clinton's defeat. but, again, we have to always remember she won more votes in the popular votes. a woman can win if she's able to get more votes in the

what about the hillary clinton fiasco? what about all the wikileaks? >> u.s. intelligence officials have concluded that those hacks were in fact conducted by the russian government. mueller's team indicted 12 russian agencies who were involved in that meddling. mueller has not charged asang for any crimes, but he did appear in several indictments, including trump's close adviser roger stone. stone claimed his credit associate and friend served as a back channel to wikileaks. here with me on set, randy he credico, and anna scheckter, and ben collins. welcome to all of you for being here. randy, we have -- we've seen text messages between you and roger stone about -- you know, before the wikileaks release. take us back to that time. what was going through your mind you had contact with roger stone and julian assange. >> i went and say julian assange a year after those text messages came out. roger stone, not an associate. you really have to disabuse yourself of that kind of name-calling. he was on and off for years i knew of roger stone. i think it was september

for sure there will be plenty to talk about with hillary clinton. but she's going to be here in studio wednesday night, 9:00 eastern. i'm very excited about that. i also want to update you on something that we covered late on friday night here on the show. it's about the i was the group indivisible that sprung up after trump was elected over clinton in 2016. indivisible is a group we've covered -- it's not really a group as much as an effort. we've covered indivisible stuff a lot here on the show because they're a little bit different in their approach to activism and progressive politics and they've been really effective. indivisible is the group that dropped this pragmatic approach to trump-era politics in which they train people and equip people and help people organize to communicate effectively with their own senators and their own members of congress, specifically, people who represent you from your district only. this indivisible model, this playbook for how to do activism in this way was cooked up by former congressional staffers who know fr

to my knowled . >>> coming up, what if it were hillary clinton, not president trump? i'm going to ask my panel how republicans would be reacting if the shoe were on the other foot. up next, we'll have continuing coverage in analysis of the mueller report. stick with us for another hour just after this. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ essential for the cactus, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma have happened. as have tears in the stomach or intestines, serious allergic reactions, low blood cell counts

and going back to hillary clinton, michael cohen is going to jail for exaggerating the fall of a home equity loan. talking about trumps with hundreds of millions of billions of dollars, talk about the false statement there. >> he's immunized because he's president. we know from testimonials from people close to him, that this is what he's done. yes, it would be nice to have the primary documentation. but we moved on from that michael cohen testimony because so many things happen so fast that we have to ingest something new. >> we do, but i'm not sure investigators do. this is another norm busted in 2016. i remember when mitt romney condemned trump's refusal to release his taxes he got away with it. >> i think the interesting part of the story is the fight that's coming. but ultimately this is going to be about statutory con construction. >> what's that? >> i was afraid to ask. >> that's the smartest person in the room. >> it's a strict interpretation of what the law says. what this committee has done, they've had lawyers look at it, they are ready for court, they are using the plain l

hillary clinton did not win pennsylvania. ed rendell warned me on the air that tuesday election day, the turn out wasn't really working in her areas and he was getting worried about it. can joe biden go beyond pennsylvania, beyond michigan and wisconsin and make up the deficit in other areas where democrats have to win, if they'll win back the presidency from a formidable incumbent, donald trump? >> the map hasn't changed much since the '60s. the american political map is the democrats on the east and the left coast, california coast and northeast. the south is now going completely republican. the solid south is now republican. it just is. that probably includes florida most of the time. when you're really battling out, battling over a few states. because of the electoral college it will be battle over the northern industrial states. it will be. the democrats own california. they won by two and a half million. these are sweeps. they're not in danger. i'll get back to the fact that the matter, the democratic party has to be li

everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable. but no one would have known any of that had happened had we not fought. >> that's one of those moments you talk about, reading stage directions out loud. you're basically making the argument today and case today that if you look at benghazi, the political lesson you could draw from that is republicans used their investigative powers through controlling the house to keep that issue alive, to keep the base fired up, to damage hillary clinton politically in advance of 2016. now democrats have the investigative powers, and donald trump in a year and a half has to face voters. >> but i think there's another lesson from benghazi, which is that they actually uncovered an issue which doomed hillary clinton, which was the private email server. that came out as a function of that investigation into benghazi. that's where the public learned a

ask them to flip it over and say, if hillary rodham clinton had done the exact same thing, benefited from the russian intervention in the campaign. >> sure. >> clearly benefited from it, helped that benefit, enjoyed it, took advantage of and then tried to fire the fbi director for investigating it, tried to fire the counsel, had done -- they would have burned her at the stake by now. are we kidding? okay. if it were the liberal democrat you don't like hillary clinton or moderate democrat you don't like, can't you make them make a constitutional judgment. the average voter said i'd fry her if she'd did this. a lot of these tough guys would say, you're right. if she did this it would be different -- >> that's exactly where the political and constitutional/legal realities differ. look at what happened when bill clinton had articles of impeachment drawn against him. he was not convicted. he was never more popular than at the point when he beat that and there is a fear among democrats that that is exactly what it will do. it will all but ensure donald trump's re-election. >> can we draw a

it's true among people -- romney voters that left and voted for hillary clinton. so i think there's a lane there that has to be filled. >> i'm not saying there's a uniform move to the left. there are a lot of hispanic voters who identify themselves as moderate and conservative democrats. it's those constituencies are aware and they have issues they want to have addressed in a way with a directness they haven't asked for in the past. >> i think the labels are going to be less important than the actual candidates and policies. >> so much to say. no one is going anywhere, except robert costa, he may have to take another call from the president. thanks for your reporting. woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your a

trump and disparaged hillary clinton. second, a russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion operations. against entities employees and volunteers working on the clinton campaign. and then released stolen documents. the investigation also identified numerous links between the russian government and the trump campaign. the investigation established that the russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency. and worked to secure that outcome. and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through russian efforts. in terms of how the russians did what they did and why they did it precisely the way they did it? this part right at the start of the report stands out to me still like it is written in light in the night sky. the internet research agency carried out the earliest russian interference operations identified by the investigation. a social media campaign designed to provoke and amplify political and social discord in the united states. t

president trump also going after hillary clinton. tell me how he believes she hurt people on their team, ruined their lives. >> reporter: the president is explaining how he changed his view referring to hillary clinton. you know the lock her up phrase that was the refrain of the campaign. and in 2016 the president said he would not ask the department of justice to investigate hillary clinton. he changed his tune on that, of course. he explained it yesterday in part of his consideration, blaming her, in effect, for the russian investigation and suggesting other people in the obama administration, people that were much higher up, a lot higher up, in his words, may have been responsible as well. here's part of what the president said to sean hannity last night. >> when i won, they were all saying, lock her up, lock her up. i said, no, no, let's get on with life. that was different. it was like right after the election you want to get a new page and turn -- turn over a new leaf. but now what happened is fairly shortly after that great ev

it went after his critics, both his critics in the republican primary like ted cruz and hillary clinton. trump's core supporters also happened to be readers of the "national enquirer." it is a heart land readership. it's older readership. it's a largely white readership. >> look at all the fake news back there. >> i think people identify with trump, he sort of reinforced the notion that maybe the enquirer could be the voice for them. >> leading the effort, david pecker, ceo of american media inc. or ami. >> the trump era brought this very weird cast of characters into power in america. i think david pecker is one of these characters. >> during the 2016 campaign, pecker appealed to trump supporters by highlighting positive stories about their candidate on the enquirer's pages and making sure they didn't see any negative words. >> he is getting the stories that would make donald trump look bad, and he is essentially and quite literally putting those stories in a vault. >> including one from a woman who alleged she had an affair with the future president. >> karen mcdougal, former playboy

clinton, we're opening a formal investigation of hillary clinton, barack obama, jim brennan, jim comey, all of the above, right, what can democrats in congress do about that if anything? >> well, frankly, because he's the president and barr is, i don't know how much we can do about it. i don't think much. but i think that we can still keep pushing what we're doing and his investigations and subpoenas and hearings and those kind of things. >> so that actually raises the question i wanted to come back to, because mika asked is youyo question, if the president continues in the posture he's currently adopted, we're not responding to any of these subpoenas, we're going to defy every element of democratic congressional zroefr oversight in the investigation going forward, i know you said we would have to talk about what we might do. what are the actual tools at your disposal? what will you be talking about? what are the options available to you you have to decide if you're going to use to enforce the subpoenas? >> we'll be talking about fines, we'll be talking about actually putting people in

i agree with hillary clinton. what you need is to bring the american people along before you formally entitle hearings. that was the watergate model. we had the watergate hearings that went on for over a year before the impeachment hearings in the house. by that, you could bring the evidence in front of the american people, the vast majority of who have not read the 448 pages. ask you supplement that by all kinds of additional information. you can bring mueller to explain himself before the american people. as this process goes on, we will solidify a view that either the president is a menace and republicans are even nervous about standing by him or he is so toxic, that he is unelectable. they will have to make a decision to go down with the ship or go with mike pence or somebody else. that process can't be skipped over. this is a political process and the primary duty right now of congress is to cut through the gibberish and explain what is so bad about donald trump. the only way that can do that is in public hea

hillary clinton had to deal with james comey. she had to deal with negatives that were brought on her by her husband, bill clinton, and so i think that the democratic field have -- field has a number of different options they can choose from, whether it's joe biden or sanders. no matter what, i think we can expect this race to be a difficult and brutal one and potentially get ugly, given the fact that we know that pretty much pretty much really likes to prod his opponents and engage in what you could call schoolyard taunts. he likes to give them nicknames. so i don't expect this to be a pretty, breezy race. that being said, trump may pull from his playbook in 2016, but we also saw that he played up immigration heading into 2018, and that didn't work. democrats flipped the house, gaining 40 seats, so, again, even with the cloud of mueller, even as he tries to focus on immigration, democrats are going do focus as much as possible on health care because they consider that their winning issue. >> all right. jim and laura are going to

that was a major part of candidate donald trump's closing argument against hillary clinton in 2016. >> did you see another? this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> this wikileaks is unbelievable. what we have learned about her and her people. >> we love wikileaks. wikileaks. they have revealed a lot. >> that are wikileaks has done a job on her. >> i'll tell you, this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. you have to read it. >> this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> he was asked about assange this morning and fained ignorance. >> i know nothing about wikileaks. it's not my thing. i know there is something having to do with julian assange and that will be a determination. i would imagine mostly by the attorney general who is doing an isn't job. >> how dainty. he weighed in on william barr's skme comments who said spying did occur on the campaign. >>> you pleased that the attorney general said there was spying into your campaign? >> yes, i am. what he said was absolutely true. there was absolutely spying into my campaign. i will go a step further and in my opinion it was ill

hillary clinton was a recurring character for 20 years. in a weird way michelle obama was the target of more personal strange attacks over eight years at fox news than barack obama. they like democratic women to be these characters. they don't want them watching fox news for a 20 minutes, they want them watching it for five hours a day. it's dangerous and they don't care. >> if it's creating cartoonish villains for an older audience, to keep them caffeinated, rather than the safety of these women, they don't seem to care about the consequences. >> they don't care about the consequences to these women or to communities of colors, so the lgbtq community, any marginalized, they don't care about the ramifications whatsoever. it's important to remember this is in the larger context of an international issue. less than a month ago you had 50 muslims massacred in new zeal d zealand, and across europe it's the same rise in nationalism, and the same way the right-wing media is using troeps against the community over there, is the same here. while d

it was right around the time this hillary clinton op-ed posted. we got this gem posted at bloomberg news. it's a screen shot of a series of text messages, and the date on this string of text messages is supposedly october 30th, 2016. so right before is the 2016 presidential election. and you can read what it says there. to michael m. cohen, the president's long-time personal lawyer. outgoing message to him says, quote, stopped flow of some tapes from russia, but not sure if there is anything else. just so you know. cohen then responds, tapes of what? the sender responds, not sure of the content, but person in moscow was bragging had tapes from russia trip. next message. we'll try to dial you tomorrow, but wanted to be aware. next message, i'm sure it's not a big deal, but there are lots of stupid people. bloomberg then reports that the next two checks in the chain are michael cohen saying you have no idea and the initial sender replying back to him, i do, trust me. so you know what that's about, right? i did not see this coming. specifically, in t

are republicans going into the 2020 still running against hillary clinton? someone who last held office i think eight years ago. they have all of these new young voices, and republicans want to run against hillary clinton in 2020. >> it is a difference in the way that these two parties exercise power. democrats have the power to do all sorts of things in investigations, why do you think they're so hesitant? >> i think the best comparison is watergate. you got maybe not any tapes, necessarily, but you have a lot of insider witnesses. i have got eight 80 more pages to read in this report, but at this point we have don mcgahn, jeff sessions, hope hicks, michael cohen, they would be witnesses against donald trump in this obstruction. my rule as a prosecutor used to be if i have one witness and a tape i have a slam dunk. three witnesses and no tape is a slam dunk. congress ought to be calling the house judiciary committee, calling all of these witnesses, and asking about all of this detail that is laid out in the mueller report. >> and as we found out a lot of pe

the reasons that people couldn't pull the lever for hillary clinton. but at the crux of the issue is that we have secondaries of state across the nation who are not seeing voter suppression, voter fraud and voter theft as fundamental dangers to our electoral politics system. saying knock of the census has not dealt with in a substantive way. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. there's been entirely too much focus on russia, trump and the election. superimportant. we have interfered in elections. sometimes it comes back to bite you, what the professor -- the doctor -- just said. if you're concerned about democracy, you should be looking at voter suppression. particularly in the state that president trump was in last night. if you're concerned about democracy, that's where the focus should be. no matter who runs, they will have a better chance. i can't imagine anybody that didn't vote for trump says, i didn't vote for him. but this guy has impressed me with how he comes up with names to call people. he loves being up on stage and having that approval and own

which they look at hillary clinton's loss, are democratic voters say she blew it, she's the only one who could have blown it or do they view him with unique strengths to take out? i am from pennsylvania,ivity relatives and friends up there on all sides politically. a couple things, first of all, the issue of life, the antiabortion rights people, they will have a campaign, a -- no matter what else hamsness pot tugs, that could be a real problem for democrats, this whole talk about late-term abortion. this illegal immigration i think is huge in pennsylvania. i think biden is probably not vulnerable to those attacks. in a way hillary, besides 20 or 30 years in political life. she personified the elite democratic party, the party that had gotten a little too ivy league, a little too secular. i think a lot of think say embrace and forgetting them. a lot of celebrities showing up. you don't want to look elise in a party of the working people. what are you think of him before or since, he went to erie and scranton and showed up. i think he's not an elitist. he looks like it today at that pi

the political damage of an investigation can happen even if you are not charged as hillary clinton in 2016 found out when james comey did give a lot of derogatory information and sent a follow-up letter before the election saying reopening that. that hung around her neck and caused grave political damage despite the fact that the threshold of changes were never made. they have to know that in that white house. >> absolutely. from terms of a purely public relations standpoint, obviously the president and his cronies and his lieutenants were thrilled with the barr summary that came out. they were able to spin this as a major victory which anybody who wanted to take a moment to breathe and step back saying we have not seen the hundreds of pages in the mueller report would know, there is not necessarily a cause for celebration. what the president has been good at for the past two years is hammering over and over and over again with no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. collusion obviously is not a legal term. it's not a legal standard. some people say collusion is sort of conspiracy,

hillary clinton had, he can win. but i think he'll get a democrat who is more neutral. >> it's not just a strong economy. this is a bifurcated economy. that's what we have to talk about. if you're looking at the economy in terms of the job number or the stock market, if you're an asset holder, you're right, things are looking good. they were also looking good in the obama administration. the fact that the economy is bifurcated and nthat forgotten american who innocent ssn't nec only in the rust belt who says i don't own any stocks, so the president won in a good economy. he remains in the same questiec. but that leaves out a huge portion of the country and the question is who is going to serve them? the president has his bate inside of there. the question is does his base believe the nonsense he's telling them because he's not serving them. >> is his base voting on the economy? that the other question. are they voting on the economy or voting for somebody they believe is going to protect them from change? he was the

one claiming that ted cruz's father was linked to jfk's assassination and hillary clinton had just six months to live. they ran 18 cover stories alone on hillary clinton in her 2016 presidential run. >> along with silencing negative stories, the "national enquirer" used their platform to knock down trump's opponents. >> donald trump weaponized the "national enquirer" in a way that had not been done. are in in the gop primaries they ran false hit pieces on trump's rivals. >> no way this thing was going to be a clean fight and it proved to be every bit as disgusting and tawdry as everyone had expected. >> there was a cover that showed her looking so pale and wrinkled that it was like a zombie had appeared overlayed with her face. >> every time you see that headline that hillary clinton has a health issue or ted cruz's father was involved in the assassination of jfk. overtime that begins to grind away at you and bring you to a place where you might have more doubts than you thought by the time you pull back the curtain to go to the voting booth. >> watch headliners here on msnbc and moder

he also was, of course, hillary clinton's running mate in 2016. senator, let us start for a moment with just the news of the day. your reaction to julian assange's arrest. >> well, craig, it's i think something we expected. we knew the day would come. and justice has to be done. the thing i'm most interested in, the legal process here will take care of itself with the prosecution. the thing that i'm most interested in is when you get to the bottom of this story, how do we learn enough to protect sensitive information from, you know, vandals like julian assange and how do we learn to protect our election system from a guy like him who is willing to work in tandem with bad actors, you know, including russia, to try to attack our election. we have to protect ourselves. that's the most important thing right now. >> senator, do you think assange should face charges over those clinton campaign e-mails, the leaking of those e-mails? >> i'm going to leave that up to the prosecutors to figure all that out. again, my interest is less looking in the rear vie

however, those fund raising totals are significantly left than what barack obama and hillary clinton raised. >>> joining us now a national political reporter for associated press. wanda sanders. >> nice to have you. >> thank you. >> let's talk about some of these fund raising numbers that ayman was just talking about. do you think some of these candidates should be concerned that they haven't hit the measures of barack obama, they haven't hit the numbers of hillary clinton back in 2007. or is that because of the fact that the field is so much smaller now than it was then? we have so many more people running for president than 2007. >> sure. one of the things is the size of the field. the name of the game has changed so much on the left. a lot of these democratic activists don't want to see big donors. of course, they're still courting them to have the fund-raisers, but they're showing they have that grassroots support. i think why we see folks like bernie sanders emphasizing the number. and you see someone like kamala harris from california saying she's received a slew of high dollar

he would do something about illegal immigration, oppose abortion and would not be hillary clinton. it worked because a lot of blue collar voters believed the democratic party had grown too elite. as the pittsburgh friend of mine say people don't mind being used, they mind being discarded. he made clear he would hit the democrats for open borders, late term abortion and socialism. the theory of why this trifecta would work was propounded 70 years ago by a guy who was richard nixon's first campaign adviser. the rule was that voters can take up no more than three issues in any election to make sure all three are about your opponent and all three are negative. in the early 1950s, they destroyed the democrats with communism, corruption, and they let them out on weekend furloughs, refusing to fine teachers for not leading in the pledge of allegiance. that took did yukakis his lead to an eight-point def sis. the one democrat who might be bulletproof, illegal immigration, late term abortion and socialism is announcing his run tomorrow. joe biden. he can beat donald trump in pennsylvania. i

it goes to the point hillary clinton makes. the congress knows how to conduct regular business and legislate while an impeachment process or investigation like that is going on. it has always done that. always been able to do that. and in nancy pelosi's case, she's already done it. >> theater. hr-1 is the first bill they passed. it's passed the house but gone nowhere in the senate because mitch mcconnell refused to bring it up. senator mcconnell also denied the public a full accounting of what was happening with russia attacking our elections in 9 fall of 2016. so that tells you where his priorities are. he has shown through his actions that when he has to choose between supporting the president and giving the public the information they need about potential threats to our democracy, he will choose to side with the president. >> adam gets the last word in our first round tonight. john sarbanes, matt miller, thank you all very much for starting us off tonight thank you. right after this break, an harvard's constitutional law pro

announced he was promised dirt on hillary clinton. he pressed at least twice a russian lawyer for incriminating information. the special counsel did not charge don jr. and others in that meeting in part because it would be difficult to prove they knew their conduct was unlawful. here's don jr. back in 2017. >> in retrospect, i probably would have done things a little differently. again, this is before the russia mania, this is beforhey were building it up in the press. for me, it was opposition research. the pretexts was, hey, i have information about your opponent. there wasn't follow-up because there was nothing there. >> sonam, what do you make of mueller not bringing charges against don jr.? this is likely not the end of the legal risks he faces in other investigations, is that correct? >> right. i think it's really interesting to look at the reasoning why prosecutors didn't charge don jr., you know, connected to this trump tower meeting and his conversations with the russians. they basically said that, you know, like you mentione

they did it to hillary clinton, but they with held that from the public which proves he is not telling the truth, but said this is a witch hunt and they were after me. >> benjamin uses this as the bumper sticker of the trump administration that appears often as a through line. not those words, but the theme of the report. this is a key element. mostly unsuccessful. the president's efforts to influence the election was largely unsuccessful. they declined to carry out orders received to his request. he tries to do things like the saturday night massacre and his cronies to do these things to cover things up and they say no. that's another place where he is different than nixon and ends up saving him. >> not really because first of all, nixon tried to get people to audit his enemies list. people said we are not going to do this. we have to put our name all over the paper. >> he sent fred malik. >> i once had a hard decision to make and was seeking advice and don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt to make the decision. the advice was in your life, you do not need proof beyond a reasonab

hillary clinton, who went to work as a staff member of one of the committees investigating president nixon, remembered -- remembered that vithis way toda. >> the witnesses in 1974 were -- and '73 and '74 were predominately administration witnesses. they were john dean, who happened to be white house counsel. so it's fully appropriate for this congress to call don mcgahn, who happens to be -- or happened to be white house counsel. >> don mcgahn was subpoenaed by the house judiciary committee yesterday, and that will apparently be the first witness subpoena that the trump white house will fight in the house judiciary committee's hearings about the mueller report. in an interview with "the washington post" tonight, president trump said, "there is no reason to go any further, especially in congress where it's very partisan. obviously very partisan." a former watergate prosecutor told "the washington post," "it seems to me executive privilege was waived when mcgahn was permitted to give testimony and be interviewed by special counsel mueller. i don't see how the white house can expert exe

i want to share a bit of hillary clinton herself reading the mueller report to me. if this doesn't turn into a podcast, i don't know what should. take a look at this. >> the investigation established that the russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency. and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally. the president slumped back in his chair and said, "oh my god, this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm [ bleep ]." >> that is better than celebrities reading mean tweets about them. that's amazing. but is it too soon to be joking about this, given the context of the mueller report and how so much of it has been mischaracterized and so-so many around the country don't know what's in there. >> hillary clinton is maybe the person who has benefitted the least from all of this. but it is interesting to have it read by one who was so invested in it. it takes on sort of the level of high drama. but this is what we're living in. i just spent the whole last week in spain. we went from site t

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but could it turn out to be a negative as it was for hillary clinton? she had been in the public eye for so long, there was so much to scrutinize and it was scrutinized and president trump basically in many ways got a free pass being somebody who came from the outside and even now in terms of conduct. everything sort of has been thrown out the window for him. >> right. you know, you have to remember, one of the reasons that democrats thought barack obama would be such a strong candidate in 2008, soon after arriving in washington, is he had no record. tom daschle told him run now before you have a record. joe biden has the big record, which is a big advantage for him in some ways, it's also a disadvantage. you have to remember and kelly certainly knows, joe biden has said a lot of words over the years and everyone of those words is now going to be parced. i think the clarence thomas confirmation hearing, which biden, himself, admitles he did a bad job at. i think people were unhappy with his recent announcement where he said i wish i could have done more

he's been out to embarrass hillary clinton and the u.s. government and did it in a way that aided trump. that should give everybody pause and worry about what might happen in 2020. the problem is it's an asymmetric warfare against one political side in this country. he has taken sides in this debate, in this battle. >> such a good point. such a good reminder. we'll stay on it. >>> after the break, conveniently timed retirement of donald trump's sister and how it feeds the belief the trumps will do anything to keep their financial information hidden. p financial information hidden in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. woman 1: this is my body of proof. man 1: proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. man 2: proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... woman 2: ...with humira. woman 3: humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversibl

then for the first time the russians start trying to get hillary clinton e-mails and you have don, jr. who in august of 2016 who has been asked by the fbi to tell them of contacts with russians. he has contact with wikileaks about what russia has gotten into and he's retweeting it and having communications about retweeting this. that's all in the mueller report. that is not reported to the fbi. there is no contact that is reported. >> i'm going back to this. it seems to me that one person knows they were coordinating with the russians. that's manafort. he was there giving them stuff. i'm sorry, maybe if you give another try at it, he may say 10 years in prison. this report is not adequately done. >> you're right. this is a criminal finding. mueller could not prove a conspiracy. there is a whole other counter intelligence that is classified that the fbi is working on. this report, muler did not cast judgment on this behavior. he didn't say this harmed national security. fbi reports make that. >> counter espionage. now as the american public begins to grasp the implications, the preside

you were almost hillary clinton's vice presidential running mate in 2016. what did that process teach you or what were your reflections from that? >> it's crazy. it's the craziest process in politics, because there's this dance that you're supposed to do of dance you're supposed to do of not really being interested, and you're not even under consideration. and also what i've enjoyed about being in politics is going out to the people, you know? and that process is so much about sort of the decision of the candidate, as it should be, and so it's kind of, you know, it's all behind the scenes. that's not really my type of politics, but -- >> it's interesting, though, because it is the most anti-democratic party of our presidential nominating process. more so even than the electoral college. the vice president is effectively chosen behind the scenes in an incredible process by the person who is the nominee of their party. >> and i think that she chose very well. governor kaine, senator kaine had great experience. they won virginia, right? >> mmm-hmm. >> so i don

hillary clinton was blocking the way a little bit. we are seeing that these women jumped in early and jumped in hard in part maybe because they couldn't afford to wait around and dither, but they also want this job. >> you point out that the credentials of the 2020 contenders who are women, democrats, lawyers, senators. how do they stand out? how are they going to be able to stand out? >> i think it does make it hard for the women to differentiate themselves. it is worth pointing out that they are all democrats. it is important for the parties to be intentional in recruiting women. we are never going to have women as 15% of congress or politics if the republican party doesn't start being -- it is harder to differentiate from each other. it is going to be exciting and fun oo see the women debating each other on stage. we hear so much about how the women senators are great friends, they are so collegeal. the women in the senate get together for birthday parties. so we are going to see that idea tested. they are not going to be as colleg

obviously we grappled with this when hillary clinton was running for president. how do you take pete buttigieg's remarks? does he come across as authentic? >> i think he does. that's been part of his rise in the last couple weeks and the reason he's raised $7 million and had these viral moments because of his authenticity. that's a key point in this presidential kind of primary we're seeing. what's your lane and how authentic is it? i do want to thank reverend al for putting on this conference because one thing we're seeing is that racial justice is now part of this platform. we are seeing these candidates talking about racial justice and also it plays to the diversity that we're seeing with these candidates. it's as diverse as america really. so i applaud mayor pete, he did that in a really good way. and from what reverend al sharpton said, the crowd took him in and applauded him for what he said. he took on racial justice head on. he didn't deviate. he went in and talked about it. apparently so did beto. >> as more and more democrats jump into the presidential