than hillary clinton. >> the only reason that the obstruction of justice did not stick was that a lot of people around the president did not do what he asked him. mrs. conway: that is actually not a sophisticated legal analysis. i will tell you if the president asked me to break the law, i would walk out the door. i would not even take pictures of my kids off the wall. all i want to say is that for all of the conversation about what he did and did not ask somebody to do or he is mad about jeff sessions' recusal. jeff sessions was attorney general for 18 months after that. don mcgann was white house counsel for 18 months after that. the president has the right to fire any of us. he showed that by firing jim comey. he could have fired mueller. he did not do that. >> the report showed that people around him did not let him do that. mrs. conway: intent matters. intent should matter. intent has never mattered to any of you, respectfully. was there intent to collude or intent to conspire, was there an intent to steal the election from hillary clinton, i am sure for whom most of you voted. i

-- no further than hillary clinton. clear that the obstruction of justice did not stake was that a lot of people around the president did not do what he asked him. kellyanne: i will tell you if the president asked me to break the dog i would -- make a law, i would walk out the door. that fort to say is all of the conversation about what he did and did not ask somebody to do, he has mount about jeff sessions' recusal. attorney general for 18 months after that. the president has the right to fire any of us. he showed that by firing jim comey. he collude fired -- he could've filed -- could have fired mueller. kellyanne: the report said that he tried to do so. >> intent should matter. intent has never mattered. was there intent to collude or to -- intent to conspire, was there an intent to steal the election from hillary clinton, the intent matters. the intention was not to do that. yount matters, and i know want to carry one line here or there because the big lie that you let fly for two years is over. i guess people want

clinton's private server. and since strzok and others had apparently protected information about what happened with her the , here comes intelligence inspector general's investigator that discovered the fact that her private server had been compromised. and he rushes over with mitchell from the intelligence community. she was an attorney. they believed cha pell, the f.b.i. liaison with intell and the f.b.i.'s head of counterintelligence, peter strzok and he tells him, look, we now have proof positive, hillary clinton private server was hacked. we found this in here. and as i dug in to figure out what is this thing, it was an embedded placement in the server that directed every email coming in and every email going out of hillary clinton's private server which we know contained classified information, directed to go to a known front organization for the chinese government. . and peter strzok, after all the protection he tried to afford, he's going to sit there and -- afford hillary clinton, he's going so to sit

hillary clinton did not come during the general election. now everybody is prepared. everyone is going in with their eyes open that this could go either way. that is why you see the democrats holding their convention in wisconsin in milwaukee. it reminds me of 2004 when wisconsin was a top three or four state of the bush and kerry campaign. that drove turn out to an extreme level. host: when president trump turns up tonight, will there be any prominent republican politicians with him? will we see former speaker paul ryan, the former governor on stage with the president? guest: you will not see paul ryan. i'm not sure who is going to be there, but what is interesting is you don't have the same leadership in the republican party as you did in 2016. there was a group that was known as the big three in wisconsin, which was the governor, scott soaringbriefly presidential candidacy that was eclipsed by donald trump. you had reince priebus, who had been the state republican chair and then the national republican chair. these three people brought a lot of money into wisconsin

they gave the hillary clinton campaign the dirt on donald trump in the beginning. how could russia be working with donald trump if they slandered him off the bat. the mueller report was a complete waste of money. we knew this information two years ago. all these contexts -- contacts and all these things. there is no underlying crime to be obstructed. ony spent 200 pages obstruction of justice. host: that was mark in pennsylvania. the los angeles times on their do the yesterday said rumor tapes of the report exist? the special counsel's report deals with one of the elements of the russia case in a footnote that mentions compromising tapes exist. comey talks about the allegation that such tapes existed when he briefed the president. the dossier contained unverified information even to the fbi in 2016 about alleged trump ties to russia. report says trump may have heard similar allegations weeks earlier. in october 30, 2016, a lawyer for trump received a text from a russian businessman that said not sure if there is anything else. investigators that the mission of tape

>> there was an investigation into hillary clinton. that led to chaotic events with jim comey and andrew mccabe. that was extensively investigated by the justice department and the fbi. then the fbi ended up reopening the investigation on the eve of the election, much to hillary clinton's dismay. in terms of the appointment of a special counsel, the president, the attorney general could've appointed another special counsel to investigate other matters. apparently decided not to. host: nicole is in new jersey. caller: hello. host: you are on the air. there: my question is, seems to be more evidence against trump and his family with obstructing justice. i would like to know -- what does it take to finally realize that he is committing crimes? it's so obvious to the world. everythinginesses, that he keeps hiding from the people. his lies. to win theons election. by taking information from the russians. neededher information is so that the impeachment process can begin right now? host: we got the point, nicole. >> i think the significance

clinton loses which she lost and lost big. this is been going on for years. now they want to keep going on, they spent over $30 million on

than hillary clinton. >> the only reason that the obstruction of justice did not stick was that a lot of people around the president did not do what he asked him. mrs. conway: that is actually not a sophisticated legal analysis. i will tell you if the president asked me to break the law, i would walk out the door. i would not even take pictures of my kids off the wall. all i want to say is that for all of the conversation about what he did and did not ask somebody to do or he is mad about jeff sessions' recusal. jeff sessions was attorney general for 18 months after that. don mcgann was white house counsel for 18 months after that. the president has the right to fire any of us. he showed that by firing jim comey. he could have fired mueller. he did not do that. >> the report showed that people around him did not let him do that. mrs. conway: intent matters. intent should matter. intent has never mattered to any of you, respectfully. was there intent to collude or intent to conspire, was there an intent to steal the election from hillary clinton, i am sure for whom most of you voted. i

it started from hillary clinton. are you in favor of having her bleached white and utensils destroyed because she hid 30,000 emails? are you in favor of doing that to find the truth? host: let's get a response. guest: what i am interested in is the people of the united states being allowed to be treated fairly and their voice being heard. our voice being heard. right now, we have a president who is not putting the american people first, who is obstructing justice, and who is corrupt. i would not conflate that with clinton did, who is not in office, is not running an office, and whatever is true about her emails is a thing in the past. we are dealing with the existing president of the united states and what i am advocating is he be treated like an american citizen and not as somebody who , above thee law oversight of congress who can do whatever he wants regardless of the impact. rs.tever happened with m clinton is not relevant now. when we remove trump from office, i will not spend my time worrying about him as a pri

it also embarked on an effort to fromand dump emails hillary clinton, her campaign manager, and other efforts to influence the outcome in the election. these efforts similar to the social media campaign, were designed to help donald trump and hurt hillary clinton. there were also efforts through any number of meetings between russians and trump campaign people to exert influence, a covert influence operation mounted by the russians that continued during the campaign as well as after the campaign. i want to make several points about these findings from what we can tell so far from the report. the attorney general did a great disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the mueller report, by attempting to put a positive spin for the president on the special counsel's findings. the attorney general is not the presidents personal lawyer, although he may feel the is. he is supposed to be the highest low enforcement that law enforcement officer is supposed to represent the american people. he gave the impression that the president fully cooperated in the investigation,

number two, the actual dossier that was used was paid for by hillary clinton. when you spend $6 million on opposition research, you know who is getting their money. fusion gps did not get the $6 million, i bet you they didn't get to percent of the $6 million. the money went to russia and they knew it. on top of that. that obama campaign fund he still probably has millions of dollars left in those coffers, they went and spent $972,000 themselves to pay the russians. and the new where this money was going. so when you talk about colluding, that is collusion. the back part of it all, they thought they were getting a bag of gold, and all they really got was a bag of dirt. now, they are really crying, they are going off the rails. host: ok, a lot there. heather. guest: my understanding, the special counsel's office was to look at two specific questions, interference in the election and the second question, of obstruction of justice. in the other issues that would arise during -- and any other issues that would arise during the investigation. in my view, mr. mueller

they were contributing in many cases to hillary clinton. hate him with a passion. no they came up with obstruction. said on the general information, there is no obstruction. so you have no collusion, no obstruction. now we are finished with it and i thought after two years, we be finished with it. no, now the house goes and start subpoenaing. assume, for $35 million a check to my financials -- which are great, by the way. you know they are great. they checked my financials and they checked my taxes i assume. it was the most thorough investigation probably in the history of our country. i think i read where they interviewed 500 people. i say it is enough. get back to infrastructure. get back to cutting taxes. get back to lowering drug prices. that is what we should be doing. [reporters talking over each other] pres. trump: we are fighting all of the subpoenas. the democrats are trying to win 2020. they are not going to win with the people that i see, and they are not going to win against me. the only way they can may be is by out, -- luck out, constantly going after

go after that and you will find out why hillary clinton should never have been in the white house. guest: that is going to be the conclusion a lot of people reach no matter what the mueller report says. world skated. as much as questions have been raised about barr, certainly there will be questions raised about james comey, klapper, brennan. at the very least, i think you can question the judgment of people who are so important in intelligence and investigatory roles, behaving as partisan opponents of the president as they clearly have in their post government life. maybe they did not behave in this manner while they were still working in government but they have certainly colored people's perception of them in a way that does not make them look like they are neutral arbiters of this dispute. host: we will continue with the mueller report. , thatoes it say to you this headline where you see several democrats in the 2020 field working to be on the fox news network to be on a town hall? guest: on the one hand you have a large percentage of the democratic base that sees fox news as a

they would rather have donald trump in office than hillary clinton. host: it seems we are seeing reaction across the board from democrats and republicans across the board. as you were talking about 2020, theythem in were saying the investigations have found and any recommendations to safeguarding our nations elections and the integrity of our institutions seeing a lot of that from others as well. here on c-span radio, getting your reaction on the republican line. i can't understand why they can't put this behind them and understand trumpism innocent. they just keep coming up with different stuff and destroy .ther peoples lives i just don't get the democrats. they are a bunch of socialist and deserve not to be ever elected again because they are making the country look foolish. [no audio] report just came out. i just want to sit back, take the weekend in congress should go through the report like this should. i read aboutings, the opening of an aluminum factory, but i think that is .elling you a little more host: you said the russians an aluminum facto

had a system of women misused emails, because that is what he went after hillary clinton with. that caused him to say to john kelly, can you just get rid of them? trump, heis it is can't pull the trigger on his own daughter. then he seems to forget about it. announcer: watch book tv sunday on c-span2. >> there are many new cases of the 116th congress, including representative madeleine dean of pennsylvania, former attorney in english professor who serves in the pennsylvania state house. >> at what age did you get

clinton the beginning. don jr. is exonerated, hope hicks is exonerated and you're just going to have to move on and cover issues that americans are telling you that are important in your own polling. we have a lot to solve in the country. i said we're going to have joint custody of the country for the next four to eight years, we have six to go. you have to be honest with the american people that there is no collusion. >> come to an end -- >> i was very surprised to see that because that was not the reaction of the president that the when i was there and president was quoted were he does not use those words, so i'm not sure. you can ask the people about said but he has never once i'm going to resign. never set and i have been by his side for three straight years. i know that was the promise and the wish of many people. for some reason, you give a lot of airtime and have zero credibility and who would family in the ears of my or trump would be headed to jail . that is a disgrace, people whispering in our ear

was making payments to christopher steele, also played by -- paid by hillary clinton. the fusion gps, you would like to see more about that pat -- about that. the texting between two people. timothy, fbi, the department of justice. i think america has been told by all of you that we have a right to know and we want transparency and we want to make sure democracy is honest, and investigate the investigators. the president said that it should never have into another president again. let us see how we got here, how did it start. what -- when it went on stage and encouraged russia to hack the election? >> there was an attempt at obstruction of justice that he was seen and would not allow that. kellyanne: so they found no obstruction. you have got to read the report completely and not just listen to people on tv. i have read the report, and i got it very recently. let me just make the point. the president, if you look at the entire report, the president had the complete right to fire mueller. if he wanted to, he could fire him. he could've just fire him the way that he fire

they gave the hillary clinton campaign the dirt on donald trump in the beginning. how could russia be working with donald trump if they slandered him off the bat. the mueller report was a complete waste of money. we knew this information two years ago. all these contexts -- contacts and all these things. there is no underlying crime to be obstructed. ony spent 200 pages obstruction of justice. host: that was mark in pennsylvania. the los angeles times on their do the yesterday said rumor tapes of the report exist? the special counsel's report deals with one of the elements of the russia case in a footnote that mentions compromising tapes exist. comey talks about the allegation that such tapes existed when he briefed the president. the dossier contained unverified information even to the fbi in 2016 about alleged trump ties to russia. report says trump may have heard similar allegations weeks earlier. in october 30, 2016, a lawyer for trump received a text from a russian businessman that said not sure if there is anything else. investigators that the mission of tape

the expanders with the core of hillary clinton's support come -- hillary clinton's support, people who wanted bigger government, more services, and felt the government -- that the government was pretty ok and needed only some reform. so the expanders in 2016 were the single largest percentage number of supporters for hillary clinton. the dismantlers for donald trump. the streamliners, a small group , generally republican in town, and they were about -- generally republican in tone, and they were about 50% of the electorate at that point, or the american public at that point. at any rate, we find among the dismantlers and the rebuilders this tremendous cleavage right now. and it's my argument in this report that this is the cleavage that will determine, or the debate at the intersection of the cleavage is going to determine, be a major determinant, i should say, of the 2020 election outcome. these two groups share a great deal of distrust and anomie towards the federal government. you see it down the list. for example, that these respondents are more likely than other respondents to say

went on with hillary clinton and donald trump. the last is imploding -- the left is imploding because of man hasr said but the been following the law set up by congress. how mr.t is troubling he raisedfied, serious questions but he did not provide explanation to the committee or the american people as to what he meant, what was giving him these concerns and why the investigations would not be sufficient to address them? i agree that an investigation should be predicated, is he asking whether or not the investigation into other political figures were adequately predicated? where is the source of his concern about the investigation? why does he think the inspector general's review is sufficient? he did not answer those questions and without providing more information and using loaded terms like spying does a disservice to the department of justice and fbi and to the american people because they create political controversy and without content or answers, you are leaving people to have -- react lyrically. at americanies oversight.org

he considered leaving congress for many months leading up to the election when he thought hillary clinton would become president but at that point he decided to stay in government. if you wanted to project they were normal people in government, if he did not believe he and many republicans did not believe we were about to enter a normal period of governing after republicans called for sober leadership in governing for a while. justryan said to us, if i took my toys home, that would not be good for anybody which is an amazing admission from the speaker of the house, talking about a president at his own party. host: the book goes beyond paul ryan and talks about the relationship the president had with the freedom caucus. that name is familiar to our viewers. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell in the senate, et cetera. if you have questions, we will take your comments as well, over the past two years. this is the book, "the hill to die on." before paul ryan gets to that fork in the road, he makes a phone call to mitch mcconnell about whether or not he can stay with mr. trump. anna:

these efforts were designed to help donald trump and hurt hillary clinton. there were also efforts through any number of meetings between russians and trump campaign people to exert influence -- covert influence operations mounted by the russians that continued during the campaign as well as after the campaign. i want to make several points about these findings, from what we can tell so far. general didttorney a great disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the mueller put a by attempting to positive spin for the president on the special counsel's findings. the attorney general is not the president's personal lawyer, although he might feel he is. he is supposed to be the highest law enforcement officer in the land and represent the interests of the american people. when the american attorney general gives the look that the president completely cooperated and he didn't, that they provided all of the materials and they didn't, when the president deprived the special counsel of the single most important piece of evidence, his own verba

had a system of women misused emails, because that is what he went after hillary clinton with. that caused him to say to john kelly, can you just get rid of them? trump, heis it is can't pull the trigger on his own daughter. then he seems to forget about it. announcer: watch book tv sunday on c-span2. >> there are many new cases of the 116th congress, including representative madeleine dean of pennsylvania, former attorney in english professor who serves in the pennsylvania state house. >> at what age did you get interested in politics? >> it goes pretty far back. in high school, a friend came over to me and said we would like to talk to you. we have an idea for you. they said we would like you to run for office. at 18, i agreed to run for committeewoman in my local town of pennsylvania, and the first time i voted, i voted for myself. i did a little brochure about myself. i said if you wanted to get the job done, give it to a busy person. i thought i was busy at 18 and 19. my family was always very interested. i am the youngest of seven kids. my father spurred lots of conversat

congressered leaving for many months leading up to the election, when he thought hillary clinton would be president. at that point, he decided to stay in government. he wanted to project that there were normal people and government. -- we not believe that he were about to enter a normal. of governing -- a normal period of governing. us, if i just to talked and puffed and took my toys on, that would other than good for anybody. that's an amazing admission from a speaker of a house talking about a president of his own party. >> the book goes beyond paul ryan. it talks about the relationships the president has with the freedom caucus, that name is familiar to our viewers. native policy, chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell, etc. we will take your comments. over the past two years, this is the book, "the hill to die on: the battle for congress and the frome of trump's america," the perspective of capitol hill, trumprst two years of the administration. before you that fork in the road, he makes a phone call to mitch mcconnell about whether or not he can stay with mr. trump. anna: it's pretty stun

let's go back to his earlier point about 2016, hillary clinton, and the emails. it is now 2019 p or she is not running but that continues to come up from our callers. guest: especially more conservative and republican individuals. it is something that still , her emails are missing. she faded out of the public eye a bit. no longer running for president and no longer in office. that is an issue that persists at the same -- but at the same time, it is the responsibility of the news media and congress, there is a lot going on with the trump administration and the people who are in power. it is in metal -- matter of balance that. there has not seems to be a lot -- and quite a while. that could be one reason why for the viewers that that is not continuing anymore. >> good morning and welcome to the program. >> i have a couple of questions for your guest. it seems like they are talking like to democrats. -- two democrats. look at what we talked about earlier. about -- in talked his conversation with the press. he talked with smaller and mueller distinctly said, he side

clinton's campaign, for the purpose of eventually publicizing these documents. obtaining such unauthorized access is a crime. a thorough investigation of these hacking questions, the courtl counsel brought to russian military officers for their respective roles in these illegal hacking operations. those charges are still pending and the defendants remain at large. the special counsel's report did not find any evidence that members of the trump campaign or anyone associated with the campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in these hacking operations. in other words, there was no evidence of the trump campaign collusion with the russian government's hacking. the special counsel's investigation also examined russian efforts to publish stolen emails and documents on the internet. special counsel found that after the gru disseminated some of the stolen documents to entities it controlled, d.c. leaks and lucifer ii, they transferred some of the materials to wikileaks. wikileaks made a series of document dumps. the special counsel investigated whe

how could you endorse hillary clinton? could double about the percentage, but those who voted for me voted because they believed we would change the economic rules to favor them. i hope you follow through on that. setting had a conversation. >> are you in touch with him now? >> we deal with them probably on a daily basis. >> going forward, when the next presidential election occurs, you expect the afl-cio will endorse a candidate for the democratic party before the convention? >> we are not sure. we have a different process is time. we are trying to get all the candidates introduced to our members to spend the day with them and what we're doing is a two-step process. we are asking candidates to come out and actually work on the job with our members for a half day. and then spend some time with a group of them in letting those workers ask questions so they can understand where the candidates stand, where they come from, what they support and what they don't. if they do that, then we will invite them to a forum later in the

clinton with. that is what he said to john kelly, can you just get rid of them? is donald trump, the president cannot pull the trigger. then he seems to forget about it. >> watch book tv sunday on c-span2. at the white house thursday, president trump and administration officials met with the vice premier of china to discuss trade. from the oval office, this is about 20 minutes. pres. trump: thank you, it is a great honor to be with the vice premier of china, a highly respected man all over the world. we have had tremendous discussions. we are getting very close to making a deal. that does not mean a deal has been made. it has not. we are certainly getting closer. in the next four weeks, maybe less, maybe more, whatever it takes, something monumental could be announced. we very much appreciate the letter from president g who , i appreciate that. happyticular, i was very to read these headlines that just came out. china bans fentanyl, fulfilling a pledge to president trump, china announces new crackd

clinton loses which she lost and lost big. this is been going on for years. now they want to keep going on, they spent over $30 million on investigation and they found no collusion which by the way was the most ridiculous premise i ever heard. you understand exactly what i mean. no collusion, there never was. after $30 million we will start the process again because jerry nadler was the started or because shift was to started. all rely on the attorney general to make decisions but i will tell you anything that is given to them will never be good enough and you can give them the more documents that they've ever seen and it would never be good enough. so i think it's a waste of time. it's politics at a low level. >> what about in 1998? >> it's nice that you bring that up. jerry nadler was on the opposite side of this and he thought it was a disgusting terrible thing to even think about giving the report but now we should give the mueller report. in the mueller report is much tighter because the other report went to congress and

o the expanders in 2016 were the single largest percentage number of supporters for hillary clinton, the dismant >> hes for donald trump. and the streamliner as small group the only republican in tone. and they were, you know, about 15% of the electorate at that point tor american public at that point. the rate, we find among dismantelers and rebuilders this tremendous cleavage right now. and it's my argument that this is the cleavage that will determine or the debate at the intersection at the cleavage is going to determine be a major determinant i should say of the 2020 election outcome. these two groups share a great anime distrust and towards the federal government. you see it down the list that for example these responses are more likely than other response dants to say that that side a losing rather than winning. they're more likely to see the federal government is always wasteful and inefficient. let's go into it. we see that the demand for government reform has been increased from 37%. to 63% in october just before the election of 2018. we did a survey a couple of weeks ago a

on the first piece, russia, if you're listening, you know, find hillary clinton's e-mails, what's very interesting about that piece of evidence is according to one of mueller's indictments on that day after trump made that speech, folks in russia actually did start trying to intrude on hillary clinton's server. and so that goes to what kim was saying. was there an illegal agreement or was there just conduct by russian state actors to aid president trump? host: well, mr. sandick, is that -- that's conspiracy, that's not collusion? guest: i don't think it would be conspiracy unless you had the illegal agreement. the illegal agreement doesn't have have to be a formal meeting and have people sit in a room together saying let's do that but there has to be some agreement of the agreement is. it is possible that where the evidence was short here was the evidence of actual coordinated agreement between the campaign and russia. it does seem as if russia did many things to try to influence the election, to try to help president trump get elected. but there's an open question here of whether trum