to liz love who many of you know for coverage outside of rome. liz, we know you've spent quite a bit of time in notre dame. you're a historian. we just heard sarah talk about there are first responders going in trying to save what they can. explain to us, in terms of the artwork, what's at stake here? >> well, i think on this day, we're all sort of mourning together. one of the first things that comes to mind, this is one of the reasons that comes to our churches a mixture of human solving and everything single thing about that church is a work of art. already, the extraordinary design that was innovation for the first time. we have the first buttresses for example, in notre dame. the first time they could open up walls by supporting them on the outside, making that beautiful tendril effect that people love to see. as a matter of fact, you've been watching the smoke billow around those tendrils. on the interior of the church, despite revolutions, despite being emptied up as a temple of region in the french refusvolut, that church has been everything from its choir where teams of fran

content that's going to be redacted. >> let's bring in ken da layny and liz holtsman, former democratic congresswoman. ken, a lot of news coming out of that hearing. i got to imagine the biggest take away was this biggest reference to spying in the campaign. >> yeah. that was a remarkable moment, guys. you don't often hear u.s. law enforcement officials refer to lawfully predicated surveillance in a campaign as spying. it seems reasonable to infer, he was echoing long time republican talking points including those of his boss, president trump, because he declined to distance himself from those really inflammatory comments that the president made just moments before barr sat down to testify. where trump called the investigation a witch-hunt. he said the fbi people were guilty of treason. barr did not distance himself from that. he said he's conducting a review of the origins of the russia investigation. it's one thing to raise questions about whether all the rules were followed. but he went beyond that. he compared what happened to the vietnam era spying abuses by the fbi, tha

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times" best seller author, gary shteyngart and also with me is liz plank. she interviewed prime minister justin trudeau, which won her a shorty award. what a great fallback we have there. >> this is the mother of all fallbacks. >> who is the father? that's a good question. >> you're the dad. >> well, i do tell dad jokes. i love your music, love that you're here. who needs to fall back? >> lori loughlin, the nerve of her to think she should let her privilege have her signing autographs outside of court. she should be ashamed of herself. she should fall all the way back. >> so you're saying if you were going there to face charges of helping your kid steal other students' seats, you shouldn't sign autographs? >> she should have out. >> it's aunt becky. it's very disappointing. as a former fan of becky, it's been a fall from grace for me personally. >> who is on your list? >> julian assange and that weird white beard of his. he should fall back right to prison. sorry. >> as a novelist, what do you see in the story here? >> people these days think it's cool to work with russian intel

saved faith. liz, you wrote an amazing on ed titled the angels are weeping over the ravages of notre dame. what is going through your mind this morning, and yesterday as you saw that spire fall? >> i think yesterday as an art lover, it was visceral. it was incredibly painful to see this work that i'd loved since a child. it was going up in smoke. this morning as an art guide, i started thinking about the preciousness of the art we have. we assume those things are always going to be there. we see a long line, i'll go in some other time. last night we realized these things are not guaranteed to be around forever. but this afternoon as an art historian, i know that church, notre dame has suffered many, many damages and problem in the past. it's been almost knocked down. it's been shot through. it's had little fires. i'm sure as an art historian that as it has come back many other times, it will come back again. >> chris jansing, you want to jump in? >> reporter: yeah. i'd love to, liz. obviously the work that is ahead to -- i'm sure there's been some smoke damage. they're doing the asse

shootings and homicides year over year. joining me is liz, founder and ceo of chicago beyond and former high school principal. thank you for joining me. it's news if chicago goes more than 24 hours without a shooting. take look at "chicago sun times" headline. chicago records 28 hours without a shooting when nearly 30 people are shot in one weekend, what is the reaction there? how do you react to this? >> i think it's the same as every chicagoan how we are all reacting that this is not only just unfortunate, it has become our new normal. i do believe as many chicagoans do, there is a way out of this and the only way out of this is for us to begin to look wholistically at solutions, everything from addressing trauma to thinking about economic opportunities in neighborhoods, providing pathways for people so we don't continue in this cycle of violence. >> what -- to what degree is this tied in with guns and gun laws? because gun laws in chicago are fairly stringent. is this something that has to happen on a socioeconomic level as opposed to a gun law level? >> yeah. so everyone knows when you t

went because they felt very strongly about the monument to robert e. lee. >> well, joining me is liz plank, host of consider it and michelle goldbergings columnist and jessica garrison, senior investigative editor. thank you all for being here. just this morning trying to defend the president's comments. >> but for joe biden, when's been in public life, elected at 29, to come out and have no vision, no accountability for the obama/biden record didn't mention president obama but mentioned charlottesville and try to use it for political purposes. >> it is a simple question. >> it is not. it is a complicated topic. >> was the response perfect? >> when president trump condemned evil, violence and then took it many steps further and called out neo-nazis -- >> was his response perfection? >> darn near perfection. >> you get a sense that the president trying to play it both ways? >> yeah. that's always what he tries to say. there's good people on both sides and obviously saying that neo-nazis who are good and in the same sort of idea sentence is a same idea and what the republican party wan

argument 2020 will be a referendum on trump administration policies. joining me liz goodman, political reporter for ""the boston globe"" and a political reporter from politico. thank you both for joining me. is kellyanne conway right or do you think it will be obscured by president trump himself and his overall approach to the presidency? >> i think it will be obscured. there's no distinguishable notion between the administration and himself. he's known to go off or change his message and in a day he can be talking about immigration. yesterday we saw after touting the good headlines of the economy with e, gdp number, gdp went in to talking about the mueller report, talking about a so-called coup, talking about guns because he was at the nra meeting, convention he was at. we know the president doesn't always stay on what would be considered a good message for him. >> a new poll shows most persons believe the president lied to the public about matters that were under investigation by the special counsel. liz, how much concern does trump advisers have regarding the character question? >>

. liz, great to see you. this is really relevant, this whole last few years has been relevant to your particular experience during watergate, but this is really relevant now because we have what we have in the mueller investigation. after all these pages and redactions, there are still a lot of questions we don't have answered. we're more certain about some things, that the trump campaign absolutely benefited from whatever it was the russians were doing. and there are real questions to be answered. do you feel that more -- that it will be clearer if the judiciary committee is able to interview robert mueller and bill barr? >> well, they won't find anything out from bill barr. bill about a are oig has bebarr obstruct mueller. so i don't hold any candle there for -- or any hope that he will do anything that will illuminate the truth. as for mueller, i don't know what he is going to say, but i think the focus and the obsession with the two of them has to end. what the american people have to hear from is not robert mueller, but they need to hear from the witnesses like don mcgahn who cou

are fake. they are fakers. >> joined by comedian liz winstead. great to see you. >> thank you. >> we were talking about what was said last night in wisconsin, what was said at the event last night in washington, d.c. how good is this contrast, something president trump is skillful at, elevating something to a profile. doesn't deserve. it's a dinner in a crowded ballroom in washington action d.c. but he made it for a foil for his annual rally. how useful is that to look at these two in parallel to say he's doing this as counter programminging to what's taking place in d.c.? >> i think that everything trump does is for the same people. to your point from last block, pete, which i i think is so brill krant. i brilliant. 'not hard to rally the people cosigning on everything you side. gather and be the person he fancies himself, clever, funny and charm so long to have a rally at the same time to show the juxtaposition of size, the juxtaposition of insiders versus you're the regular people, it's fine for him. i don't know how it influences outside of the people who already agree with every

of the cathedral, anything seemed possible. >> liz, i'm going to interrupt you with a sobering bit of news. the french interior ministry an official from the french interior ministry now says firefighters may not be able to save the cathedral. >> what? >> this is from a ministry official, firefighters may not be able to save the notre dame cathedral. it's hard to even process that even as we're watching it, it's hard to process. >> wow. >> french president emmanuel macron arrived at the scene and tweeted this statement, notre dame ises a flame. great emotion for the whole nation. our thoughts go to all catholics and to the french people like all of my fellow citizens i am sad to see there part of us burn tonight." the fire continued to spread while some first responders tried to salvage priceless works of art from inside. parisians came together and prayed. ♪ ave maria ♪ >> finally at 10:55:00 p.m., paris time, the police chief announced that the cathedral's main structure including the two bell towers that frame the entryway have been saved. french officials say that no one was k

liz holtsman, former congresswoman who served on the house judiciary committee that voted to impeach richard nixon. whose book is called "the case for impeaching trump." curt, nbc news think and "usa today" contributor and former spokesperson for the house oversight committee who has a pete out today entitled, "what would republicans do with a mueller report? build an impeachment case." thank you all for being here. all right. i'm going to go in order of the impeached. i'm impeached. i'm going to go right back to the richard nixon impeachment. the idea that how impeachment confers positive political benefits on a president who is subjected to it, what do you make of that argument. >> well, i just want to go back to the nixon impeachment because people go to the clinton impeachment and they stop there and they don't remember about nixon. the fact of the matter is that congress was initially very reluctant to move forward with the nixon impeachment. it started with an inquiry. nobody knew what the grounds for impeachment were when we started. it was because the president fired

me start with you, liz. on just this roll out. i have to say, i was a reporter in washington for years and standard operating procedure, some big document is coming out. an indictment, a report. you get it 10 to 15 minutes before the press conference and you sit there going through to prep your questions. that's standard. that's hurried and it gives the people unrolling it a leg up because they continue better than you do. i have never ever heard of a press conference on a document that no one gets to see until after the press conference is over. >> they are desperate to control this news. this news is going have something very bad in it for the president of the united states and what we are seeing, sad, sad, sad, to use three trump words is the attorney general of the united states who is the attorney general for all the people acting as a political hatchet man for the president of the united states. ultimately this cover up is not going to work. ultimately the people of the united states are going to see what's in the report and what the facts are. >> what's weird about it, it'

. >> it's interesting because -- this is something ee liz elizabeth warren talked about. she was coming on the heels of a historic woman candidate who lost badly. she told the story, just as a side story, of how people told her the state is not ready, don't do it. she has had that experience of coming in as a candidate when a major female candidate has flamed out previous and all of the anxiety about it. i think it's important to remember, if we think back in 2007, there was a lot anxiety about whether obama could -- a among of the democrats. remember. >> no, my facial expression is, yeah, among black democrats. >> black democrats until he won in iowa when it was like, wait. then you saw the move from hillary clinton to barack obama. we have to get further into the debates, listening to how people respond to each other before we can take the temperature. >> i should note -- we're putting this category of white men and buttigieg is in it, an out gay man, his husband there. it's barrier breaking and new and remarkable. >> he is young. there's a lot of stuff. there is within that category of

liz plank will join us for a special fall back friday. i hope you will join us, but keep it locked right here because "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >>> who's afraid of. >> president trump is doubling down on the assertion that there was spying on his, trump's 2016 campaign and the u.s. justice department is changing wikileaks founder, julian assange with experience. assange was dragged out of the embassy in london by british authorities. he has been living there for nearly seven years until it was rescinded. he was changed for skipping bail, but he was arrested on a second charge from american prosecutors. an unsealed indictment alleges he conspired with chelsea manning to commit computer intrusion in leaking classified military files in 2010. u.s. prosecutors want assange extradite and his attorneys said they will fight. he has not been charged with anything related to hacked democratic e-mails. that was a major part of candidate donald trump's closing argument against hillary clinton in 2016. >> did you see another? this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> this wi

very good. liz warren excellent. and we expected that bernie sanders. and kamala harris and cory booker. but i was very, very surprised at how well -- when beto came on, it was polite when he left he almost got a standing ovation. i think it's because they respected the audience and talked policy and took on the question of institutional racism head on and didn't duck. >> i have a precise question about one of the people you mentioned. bernie sanders was the runner up in 2016. there's no analysis of that saying coming out of the race the main impediment is he didn't get enough votes of nonwhite voters that are key in the democratic nomination. he's a front runner in the race, a top tier, nearly won iowa, new hampshire, et cetera, et cetera. has bernie sanders made enroads, the kind he needs if he's going to be the democratic nominee, to draw a sought piece of that vote? >> i think he has worked on that, i must say as one that questioned him two years ago, he has been very much involved in a lot of the issues that have come up. he stayed in touch with a lot of people around the co

friday and we have a special segment. clark kent, russian jewish novelist and liz plank will join us for a special fall back friday. i hope you will join us, but keep it locked right here because "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >>> who's afraid of. >> president trump is doubling down on the assertion that there was spying on his, trump's 2016 campaign and the u.s. justice department is changing wikileaks founder, julian assange with experience. assange was dragged out of the embassy in london by british authorities. he has been living there for nearly seven years until it was

issu issues in terms of generating conversation. >> e liz warren was the last to speak and he is was talking about maternal mortality and kitchen table issues. to get in the door here it was assumed you would be pro choice. it wasn't just about abortion rights, but family issues, family economic issues, and that is elizabeth warren's bread and butter. he she said multiple times "i have a plan for that." harris was very well received here as well. he she suffers from very high expectations. there is an expectation, a dire to see her rise to the highest level here. if he is doesn't nail everything 100% he is slishe slips a littlr frame of mind. warren comes in, she is familiar as a senator, and she tells stories about growing up in texas and connects in a different way. >> it is interesting just strategically looking at warren, he she has not been at the front of the pack. you start to look in these national poles. he is has n she has not been poling well, especially with afric african-americans early, but she is reaching out to particularly plaque vo black voters in this race. >> yes,

, because i didn't take a job right out of law school, it was all over. >> liz is never one to sit and feel sorry for herself. she put out a shingle, elizabeth warren, attorney at law. i'm doing real estate closings. how the heck do you know how to do real estate closings? this is before the internet. she's like, just looked it up in books. no problem. >> when the family moves to texas, she joins the university of houston, teaching contract law and courses on business and finance. the demands of a full-time mom and family are demanding. >> the demands of a full-time job and family are overwhelming. >> i was failing at everything. i felt like a terrible mother. dinner was late. every childcare arrangement fell apart. >> i think she was getting quite discouraged and didn't know how she was going to do this. >> warren's career is in jeopardy. until her beloved aunt comes to the rescue. >> she said, how is it going? i just started to cry. and i said, i'm going to have to quit. she said, well, i can't get there tomorrow but i can get there thursday. and she arrived with seven suitcases and buddy

criminal prosecution. >> go on. >> and on top, just to follow up i think with what liz said about the contempt proceeding, and also what jill said, the house does have a mechanism, they have the sergeant of arms who can go out there and actually arrest people who do not comply with subpoenas and do not comply with what the house is directing. so the same person that we see greeting the president every year for the state of the union address is the same person who would greet secretary mnuchin when he doesn't turn over trump's tax returns. he will take him to the prison and announce him as secretary of the treasurer. >> that i think is what frustrates a lot of democrats when they're watching the binary that democrats seem to be setting up, the only thing we can do is defeat him in 20 because impeachment would be unpopular, you're hearing these three experts lay out all of the alternatives have from using the sergeant in arms to a contempt proceeding or try to get a criminal contempt proceeding going to just having hearings in the senate isn't going to do it, but could the house then ma

mayor pete buttigieg, his campaign strategist liz smith tweeting yesterday, stay tuned. elsewhere on the 2020 campaign trail last night senator elizabeth warren drew a crowd of about 1,500 people to an airplane t hangar in aurora, colorado, where we discussed her public lands proposal. that blueprint includes reinstating environmental protections rolled back by the trumpon administration and expanding public access through a 10,000-member civilian conservation comps akin to one under fdr. >>> meanwhile, beto o'rourke became the first declared democratic candidate to campaign in virginia, making five stops across the commonwealth finishing at acuva in charlottesville last night. >>> and the justice department is expected to release a redacted version of bob mueller's final report tomorrow and president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani says the president's legal team is putting the finishing touches on a rebuttal. in an interview with the associated press giuliani said their document will be dozens of pages d long. giuliani says it will be published in the hours after the release ofd muell

, line by line some of people's questions about the actual report. >> though liz let's warren, i will say, she's been speaking out about the mueller probe. we're going to talk about that later in the show. she's going big on it. so we are going to talk about that later. daniel, thank you so much. going to talk to you again in a little bit. >>> all right. let's talk 2020, everybody. moments ago we got word of another candidate. massachusetts congressman seth moulton. he is the fourth sitting member of the house to run this year. a marine veteran of the iraq war, he was elected to congress in 2014 and notably led opposition to nancy pelosi in the house of elections last year. moulton posted a campaign announcement on his website this morning. >>> all right. still ahead, top democrats including several white house hopefuls are weighing in on whether they think president trump should be impeached following the release of the mueller probe. we're going to bring in dan ny cevallos for that. plus a check on your weather when we come back. 25% of your mouth. listerine® cleans virtually

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fox town hall, including mayor pete buttigieg. his campaign strategist, liz smith, tweeting yesterday, stay tuned. i suspect that mayor buttigieg is the kind of candidate who will go to fox news. he's from indiana and can speak to the fox audience perhaps more than some of the more progressive candidates. >> i think it is great for the democratic candidates to do the fox news town halls. now, i understand the pr trepidation with doing one of the fox news debates after reporting that perhaps donald trump hood gottad gotten an ear preview of the questions. it's not fair if it is supposed to be a level playing field. >> one way to level the playing field is show up. if you have good voices going in there and expressing their points of view in an effective way, someone like mayor pete might be able to pull this off beautifully. i think bernie sanders did great. he was believable. he was likable. he said things that the audience really wanted to hear. fox did a good job, having a diverse audience in there. that's called tv news. that's called covering campaign. giving all the candidates eq

mayor pete buttigieg's campaign announced it raised another $1 million. liz smith said the money was raised just four hours after buttigieg officially announced in comparison buttigieg raised only $120,000 in the 24 hours after launching his presidential exploratory committee in late january. first quarter fec filings show buttigieg has spent less than $700,000 of the more than 7 million raised. a burn rate of less than 10% compared to about 85% for senator elizabeth warren and mayor pete, by the way, will be our guest on thursday morning. it will be great to see him. >> it will be great to see him again. nick confessore, a lot to digest when you look at the numbers. i am impressed by the burn rate of mayor pete being so low. one of the first bits of advice i got before i launched my campaign was an old washington hand told me hey, kid, here's the secret. raise a lot of money and don't spend any of it. >> mayor pete's number is the convergence of two important trends in politics. the first is viral politics. you can make a campaign out of moments that go viral. you can have a moment