ukraine is not a member of nato. inare supporting ukraine defending its own sovereignty. host: we are talking about this because of the phone conversation between president trump and ukraine president zelinski. why is he important in this conversation? guest: he is a really interesting guy. i was in ukraine covering the election for the wilson center. i got to see it firsthand. he was a comedian before he became a politician. president in his tv show. rantays a guy who puts a on social media. that goes viral about anticorruption in ukraine. suddenly, he finds himself on the ballot, becomes president, and starts to reform. powery ways, his path to has mimicked that. he has huge support in ukraine, over 70%. he is pursuing a very aggressive anticorruption program so far. host: at the united nations, president zelinski discussed the phone call with president trump and whether he felt pressured. here is what he said. [video clip] >> i am sorry, but i do not want in the elections of usa. we had a good phone call. we spoke about many things. i think nobody pushed me. president

and ukraine is part of that. ukraine is part of that. if you are right and russia stays and holds onto ukraine and a pollutant clone follows him where the board decides to leave russia is doomed to become a fourth-grade economy and a third rate power. not a year, not in 10 years but in 25 or 30. they will become china's little pal. which is already developing. >> john, you are right that anders is knows a great deal about russia but we have another guy in this room who also knows a great deal about russia and his name is patrice times and he now has the floor. >> microphone. >> thank you for accepting our invitation. and thank you for what i consider truly brilliant presentation. and a lot of things you have said that i entirely agree with. if i disagree with you somewhere on the russian position i will say it without any sense of certainty because i don't know what the russian position is. because it's very clear that there not prayed to allow. it's not very clear what they want. if they want to recognize Ãas an independent republic's,

but it wasn't quite so simple for ukraine the truth is ukraine has never been a united country. when world war 2 broke out a large part of western ukraine's population welcomed the german soldiers as liberators from the reach. certainly forced upon them soviet rule and openly collaborated with the germans. the real scale of collaboration was not announced for many years after the war but we now know that whole divisions and battalions were formed by ukrainian collaborators such as s.s. c. and not to go and roll into battalions. just in the beginning of the war more than $80000.00 people from college cina region voluntarily enrolled into division s.s. galad seen in a month and a half notorious for their extreme cruelty towards the polish jewish and russian people on the territory of ukraine. members of these military groups came mostly from the organization of ukrainian nationalists the 0 un founded in 1929 this organization had an ultimate goal of creating an ethnically pure independent ukraine and considered terror an acceptable tool for achieving their ends their official flag

we've done an awful lot for ukraine. more than the europeans or anyone else has done for ukraine, but there's not much reciprocity here. this is how a mafia boss talks. what have you done for us? we've done so much for you, but there's not much reciprocity. i have a favor i need to ask you. what is the favor? that is, to investigate the political rival, to investigate the bidens. it's clear the ukraine president understands what's expected of him and is making every effort to mollify the president. what adds another layer of depravity of the conversation is that the president invokes the attorney general of the united states as well as his personal lawyer as well as emissary as an official head of the department, department of justice, that he says will be part and parcel of this. now, i know the attorney general is denying involvement in this. but nonetheless, you could see why the department of justice would want this transcript never to see the light of day. you can see why they have worked so hard to deprive our comm

, we've done a lot for ukraine, more than the europeans have done for ukraine, but there is not much reciprocity here. this is how a mafia boss talks. i have a favor to ask you. and what is that favor? to investigate his political rival, to investigate the bidens. it's clear the ukraine president understands exactly what is expected of him and is making every effort to mollify the president. what adds another layer of depravity to this conversation is the fact that the president of the united states then invokes the attorney general of the united states as well as his personal lawyer as emissaries, in the case of the attorney general, as an official head of a u.s. department, the department of justice, to be part and parcel of this. the attorney general is denying involvement in this. but nonetheless, you could see why the department of justice would want this transcript never to see the light of day. you can see why they have worked so hard to deprive our committee of the whistle-blower complaint. and in fact the opinion by the justice department is startling in its own regard, beca

while ukraine has sought to shake off the vestiges of soviet ukraine's -- oligar oligarch class stole and planneder from the people of to -- planneder from he people of that nation to support their corrupt moneyed interest. it might surprise people to hear ohio the e state of ukrainian oligarch that owned that madesion station the current president of ukraine famous, that that oligarch is largest commercial real ohio. owner in cleveland, worth of over $1.2 billion, he is one of the oligarchs in ukraine but travels between ukraine, cyprus, was on here, his own son the basketball team at cleveland state. oligarch ran the show servant of the people that zelensky to sident stardom so the question for istory is -- will president zelensky be his own manor -- his own man or will he stand for liberty and will the people of his country and this house who are the representatives stand for liberty against repression? back.d the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the chair recognizes the oklahoma, ms. m horn. ms. horn: thank you, madam speaker. safe to speak about the bankin

news live from berlin a widely anticipated prisoner exchange has taken place between russia and ukraine there were emotional scenes as families were reunited airports in moscow and kiev. also coming up. a blow to indian attempts to put a rover on the moon the national space agency tries to find out what went wrong the signal from the chandra into space craft disappeared after it entered its final descent to the lunar surface. and more than 70000 people are in need of food and water in the bahamas after their homes and communities were destroyed by hurricane dorian authorities say the final death toll will be staggering. omarion to evanston thanks for joining us. a long awaited exchange of prisoners between russia and ukraine has taken place the swap is being viewed as a step towards easing tensions between the neighboring countries and could also increase the chances of resolving the conflict in eastern ukraine 5 years of fighting between troops and russian backed separatists has left more than 13000 people dead. their 1st steps of freedom back on home soil so easy for former prisoners

it's not just ukraine. it's ukraine and china. and they cash in. you can't escape a pattern. and sean, i told you this was going to happen. >> sean: you did. >> rudy: it's going to get much worse. i guarantee it. >> sean: i guarantee it. stick to it there's documents. there's tapes. there is a come fleet money lawn of transaction. the money went from ukraine to latvia to cyprus to the u.s. i will add to what my friend john solomon said. another reason why the prosecutor got in trouble was. money laundering. that's what drug dealers did dominic do. they use cyprus a lot. why does this kid get paid? you get paid by wire or by check. i get paid by wire. my money doesn't go to latvia, cyprus, the u.s., unless you are doing money laundering, which is a federal crime. they have the hillary clinton, bill clinton immunity from this. >> sean: let's look at what biden bragged about. i told him, you've got six hours. six hours. you are not getting the billion. when i saw that, when i saw that, i said, i always knew you were stupid. i didn't realize you were that stupid. you keep your mo

giuliani will be able to travel to ukraine and we will meet once he comes to ukraine. we should note that the ukrainian told another outlet that he didn't pressure from president trump in in instance. do you buy that? >> first of all, there's no need for a quid pro quo. but if you read those comments it's very clear that the ukrainian president feels the pressure from the president of the united states, the call is ostensibly about u.s. aid to support ukraine's effort to deal with the russians. to see evidence of a conversation where they're conspiring to get mr. giuliani, not an american official or official of the american government, to sit down with ukrainian officials and work out how they're going to go after a political opponent of the president, it's just breathtaking. the idea that anybody in this building is somehow able to rationalize this or to somehow look the other way or try to minimize it is just breathtaking. >> we've heard the rationale from some members of frankly the house of representatives on the other side of the aisle who say this isn't about th

ukraine knows a lot about it. i would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with ukraine. they say crowdstrike, i guess you have one of your wealthy people, the server, they say ukraine has it. that's a little unclear. is he talking about the democratic national committee server, going back to hillary clinton three years ago. is he thinking the root of that is in ukraine? he mentions in that same portion of the conversation that he understands the mueller probe had origins in ukraine and he wants to get to the bottom of that, potentially seeing mueller as a political rival. then he gets to the biden investigation which is at the heart of this. craig, he says, there's a lot about biden's son, what widen stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me. craig, right there he's talking about his attorney general, and repeatedly in this memo, his conversation,

this ukraine part. people think a lot about russia and donald trump's strange relationship with russia. can you talk a little bit about russia's sort of obsession with undoing what president obama did with europe together to sanction them for invading crimea. >> i thought you just did an excellent job, that was a great contextual way to put that in a bigger context. i think it's really important to understand that. absolutely, the things they did are things that vladimir putin has been trying to roll back ever since it happened. sanctions, support for nato, and support for ukraine. those are the three. we know they've been trying to lift sanctions through various ways. it is part of the reason he supported candidate trump in 2016. we know that they want to push back on that assistance to nato and you rightly pointed out that president trump himself has now done that, and then this third piece of support for ukraine. i was one of the people that gave credit to the trump administration for not only sustai

we will meet once he comes to ukraine. i guarantee as president of ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. that i can assure you. president trump then specifically mentions former vice president joe biden and his son hunter and again says that he'll have both giuliani and attorney general bill barr reach out. the president says, quote, good, because i heard you had a prosecutor who is very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. a lot of people are talking about that. i will ask him, meaning giuliani, to call you along with the attorney general. rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. if you could speak to him, that would be great. the other thing, there's a lot of talk about biden's son that biden stopped the prosecution. and a lot of people want to find out about that. so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution. so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me. all rig

we had a winner from ukraine. we've really had -- we got to know the country very well in different ways. it's a country that i think with tremendous potential. >> i know it. i'm from this country. >> right. [laughter] >> i want to thank you for your invitation to washington. you invited me. but i think -- i'm sorry, but i think you forgot to tell me the date. but i think in the near future. >> we'll tell you the date. >> they know before us. i want to thank you especially, mr. president, to u.s.a., to your government. like i said, i know many people, many faces like the second family after my ukraine. we know each other. thank you for your support, especially now when we have two really wars in ukraine. the first is with corruption. but we'll fight -- we'll be winner in this fight i'm sure. and the priority, my priority, to stop the war and to get back our territories, crimea. thank you for your support in this case. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, mr. president. if you remember, you lost crimea in a

>> well, we're working with ukraine and we want other countries to work with ukraine. when i say work i'm referring to money. they should put up a lot of money. i gave you anti-tank busters. a lot of people didn't want to do that. i did it. i really hope that russia, because i really believe that president putin would like to do something. i really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. that would be a tremendous achievement. and i know you're trying to do that. >> did you ask the house speaker -- >> you said that you would look into joe biden, you would ask your prosecutor to look into the matter. have you had that conversation? >> no, i haven't. but i think that -- i think this, i think that somebody, if you look at what he did, it's so bad. his son, he goes to china, walks away with a billion hand a half dollars. he goes to ukraine and walks away with $50,000 a month and a lot of money in addition to that. and the whole thing with the prosecutor in ukraine. and he's on tape. this isn't like maybe he did it. maybe he didn't. he's o

president's political bidding in and around the ukraine? how people knew about this in the administration? who tried to stop it? who's been involved in keeping the whistle-blower complaint from us? there are so many questions that need to be answered here, and it should be our responsibility to get to the bottom of all of it. of all of it. i think this is a really serious moment for this country. i think the minute that the president is able to turn the foreign policy of this nation into a vehicle for his own political advancement is the day that democracy as we know it slips away from us. and so if we aren't ready to have a bipartisan conversation about consequences and remedies this week, then let's at least have some bipartisan consensus in the way that this place used to all the time around making sure that we have all the information necessary to move forward. i yield the floor. objection. mr. menendez: mr. president, i ask to speak for up to 15 minutes. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. menendez: we have heard some deeply

>> we're working with ukraine and we want other countries working with ukraine. when i say work, we say money. we put up a lot of money. i gave you anti-tank busters that president obama was sending pillows and sheets. the i gave you anti-tank busters. a lot of people didn't want to do that but i did it. i hope that russia, i really believe president putin would like to do something. i hope you and president putin get together to solve your problem. that would be a tremendous achievement. i know you're trying to do that. reporter: you said he was looking into joe biden, ask your prosecutor to look into the matter have you had that conversation? >> no, i haven't, i think this -- i think this somebody, if you look at what he did it is so bad, with his son. he goes to china. he walks away with a billion 1/2 dollars? he goes to ukraine and he walks away with $50,000 a month and a lot of money in addition to that. the whole thing with the prosecutor in ukraine. he is on tape. this is not like maybe he did i, maybe he didn't. he is on tape doing this. i saw this a whil

it's not just ukraine. it's ukraine and china. and they cash in. you can't escape a pattern. and sean, i told you this was going to happen. >> sean: you did. >> rudy: it's going to get much worse. i guarantee it. >> sean: i guarantee it.inor >> there is plenty more evidence. there's documents. there's tapes.6 there is a compy laundered transaction. the money went from ukraine to latvia to cyprus to the u.s. i will add to what my friend john solomon said. another reason why the prosecutor got in trouble washef money laundering. clear money laundering. that's what drug dealers do.i i. they use cyprus a lot. why does this kid get paid?you ? you get paid by wire or by check. i get paid by wire. >> they take out all of my taxes. >> my money doesn't go to latvi, cyprus, the u.s., unless you are doing money laundering, which is a federal crime.except if it's je biden's son because they have the hillary clinton bill clinton onimmunity from this corrupt prs corps. >> sean: let's look at what biden bragged about. i told him, you've got six hours. six hours. you areol not getting the bi

it was put out last night also by ukraine. you cannot have people doing this very you can't have people doing false alarms like this. when the president speaks to the head of another country, he has to be up to speak to those people. those people don't want to know that they are being recorded. you don't want to have to hear that. you cannot do that to a president. you cannot do that to other countries. with all that being said, we had a great conversation. very honest conversation. biden come up? >> whenever i speak to a foreign leader, i assume there are many people on the line. many people are on the line. sometimes they are taping calls. sometimes they are doing a stenographer. i also assume many people are on the line from the other side. to anotheraking country, they also have people on the line. i will say this, i said absolutely nothing wrong. listen to me. listen to me. listen. listen. listen to me. i assume many people are on the line. i know people are making calls. you have intelligence and everybody listening. it

and ukraine is now dragged into this. it was part of it because it is fighting a hot war with rusch. now ukraine is interfering in our elections even though they don't want to. you heard president zelensky say i don't want to be involved in american politics. it has really strained the relationship. >> i think zelensky has shown himself to be the most nimble politician in a week. i thought he handled it as well as he could. >> as a politician for about a week. he? i may be a comedian but he walked that tight rope too well. thank you for bringing some explanations for what we're doing here. we will continue to debrief this whistleblower report. //>>> we get right to the breaking news stunning washington. >> today for the first time ever, the congress and america has now processed and heard what exactly has just upended american politics in government as we know it. the whistleblower complain about president trump's plot and call with the president of ukraine. this is damning stuff. it lays out in detail allegations that th

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this time it's ukraine. oh, and it wasn't the 2016 election, it was anticipation of the 2020 election. oh, and the opposition research, well, it wasn't about hillary clinton, it was about joe biden and one of his sons. this time there's no special counsel. no robert mueller to question. no doj or fbi officials to disparage. just one whistle-blower. this time, the president is boldly speaking out and defending his actions. why wouldn't he? it's his m. to deny and deflect. and knee-jerk nonchalance is outrageous. democrats in congress including nancy pelosi have been reluctant to use impeachment powers. which is funny because they were quick to repeat the nixon era mantra, no one is above the law. >> nobody is above the law. not the president of the united states. >> no one is above the law. that includes the president of the united states. >> no one is above the law. including president of the united states. >> nobody is above the law. >> say it with me now. nobody is above the law. well, let's unpack that st

ukraine hates russia. russia didn't really do it, they're being falsely blamed and maybe ukraine can get to the bottom of it. i know that sounds nuts and i know it seems like maybe it's hard for you to be parsing that out of these incoherent sentences from the president's call. the reason we can spell out more clearly what this is about because this is in real life the legal defense being mounted by the president's long-time political advisor roger stone. the way roger stone is trying to defend himself on multiple felony counts in court is that by claiming that this company, crowdstrike, is secretly ukra e ukrainian and russia didn't hack the election. they have some sort of ukrainian connection. the ukrainians wanted to blame the russians. the democratic party hacked itself. that is how roger stone is trying to beat his felony charges in court. just this past week the judge in his case threw out an effort to suppress all the fruits of the search warrants in his case because of roger stone's claim that all

in a bipartisan vote, congress decided that ukraine -- and by the way, ukraine is at war with russia which has invaded its territory. lauren fox, stood out to us this weekend. has the former homeland security adviser say in no uncertain terms that the president is pushing a debunked theory that he is told that a theory that ukraine and not russia hacked the computer. in fact, interfered in the 2016 election. i just wonder why we haven't heard from republicans on the hill who know the seriousness of russia's intervention. the fact that the sitting president two and a half years into his administration still doesn't accept the facts. >> well, republicans are busy trying to protect the president from these latest accusations. they are basically arguing over and over that the president's done nothing wrong here. that they don't see any reason why the president should be impeached at this point. but i mean, you know, jim, this is just more of the same that we have seen from republicans on capitol hill for the last two years. every time the president says something and reporters ask, you k

mackinnon thanks so much for joining us a long awaited exchange of prisoners between russia and ukraine is under way now this could be a significant step towards easing relations between the countries and raising chances for results in the conflict in ukraine's east fighting there between troops and russia backed separatists has killed more than 13000 people since 2014 now the filmmaker all exempt souls and 24 sailors detained since last year in russia are currently being transferred from moscow to kiev. the 75 russians heading in the opposite direction. and for more on this story we're joined by kiev post editor i'm correspondent matthew cup tie in kiev matthew tell us what's happening right now. well right now we're getting creasing information about preparations for the arrival of these prisoners we're hearing that family members have been have arrived at the accused airport to meet them we're seeing officials arriving at the airport there even been reports that the ukrainian president has announced he has gone there meanwhile in the russian side the editor in chief of russia today a

trump's dealings with ukraine? >> reporter: wolf, this is a very strongly worded statement and letter sent today by the chairs of the house intel oversight and foreign affairs committee sent to the state department demanding, again, information and documents related to president trump and rudy giuliani's conversations and efforts to pressure ukraine to investigate joe biden. they want it by thursday. they say if it is not received they will start issuing subpoenas. this, of course, comes as behind the scenes this long-simmering debate among democrats about impeachment, whether to proceed or not, has essentially kicked into overdrive almost to the point of a boiling point and several significant that sources tell cnn that potentially more house democrats will come out in support of impeachment proceedings due to all of this and this special ifk controversy. it was significant over the weekend that house speaker nancy pelosi came out with a notable letter. she has been reluctant to go down the impeachment path. she i

this ukraine part. . can you talk about russia's obsession of undoing what president obama did with university together to sanction them? >>. >> i thought you just did an excellent job, that is a great c contextual way to put that in a bigger paragraph. absolutely, the things they did are things that vladimir putin is trying to roll back ever since it happened. it is sanctions, support for nato, and support for ukraine. they are trying to lift sanctions, it is part of the reason he supported candidate trump in 2016. we know that they want to push back on that assistance to nato and you rightly pointed out that president trump himself has now done that, and then this third piece is a port for ukraine. i was one of the people that gave credit to the trump administration that is sustaining support for the campaign, but they went even further. they provided lethal assistance and i gave them credit for that. that is why this is such an ie chronic tragic twist that the one thing that i think president trump did

they took ukraine. so the united states is really the primary force that allows ukraine to remain as a country in europe. we are the ones who are supporting them against russia, or at least that's what should be doing and that's what we had been doing for a number of years. guys like volker and other professionals like the former ambassadorio van vich was fired by the president in terms of the expertise and understanding of how complicated that region is. but clearly with giuliani's involvement and president saying what he did to the newly elected, very inexperienced president of ukraine, it seems to me -- and hopefully with will hear from him to discuss further what his thinking process was -- it seems to me he just said look, this is kind of a mess and i don't know that i want to be a part of it. we'll find out whether there's any more of that or what he's willing to say about the work he was doing either with giuliani or perhaps around or despite giuliani. we need to hear more from him about that. it

how is it being viewed in ukraine. well most people here ordinary ukrainians mused that suddenly their country is the heart of such a political bombshell in the u.s. in terms of the conflicts of interest that trump stands present trump stands accused of that is not something that really surprises or is a sort of concept that would shock anyone here ukraine most ukrainians i've spoken to seem to have the feeling that they are being sucked into a conflict that is not about ukraine and that ukraine is just a trigger for. conflict in the ukraine in the u.s. but school system in terms of the government here you really get a sense that people are worried that the elites are worried that ukraine is getting dragged into a partisan fight and that support for ukraine crucial to this country's continued prosperity and survival that that will become a partisan issue that ukraine really can only lose if it gives trump what he wants it will bring the democrats against him if it doesn't provide the goods then it could anger the curre

these javelin missiles could knock out ukraine. the fact that the president uses those aide as tactics is beyond the pail. >> this is jeff andrews of new jersey. he was speaking on fox news on the 28th of september. here is his point. >> the odds are very high and this president will continue to be president. the people of the united states will have an election in a year and they can impeach if desire to do so. >> he's one of the 13 members of your caucus in the house who have not yet come forward supporting the impeachment. what's your message to him? >> i don't think of politics here? i think we need to completely separate politics from the task at hands. we have allegations of extreme betrayal of trust and abuse of power and a national security issue that's current. this is not backward looking. this is a current issue that's forward looking dealing with an act of war in europe where we have 60,000 u.s. troops stationed. we have to do what we need to do to execute our duties and make sure the country is safe and our soldiers ar

ukraine. it's an ancient and proud land. with a rich history filled with much beauty heroism and sacrifice. ukraine is a border land. a place where east meets west. this is the flag of ukraine the blue represents the sky the gold its seemingly endless fields of wheat. ukraine is a prize many have sought. and much blood has spilled in the quest to possess it. ukraine has been the pathway for western powers as they attempted to conquer the east. in world war one. and world war 2. and every time the ukrainian people ended up paying the highest price for these grand games of power. history doesn't repeat but it surely rhymes said mark twain. if one looks closely at the history of ukraine one will notice many rhymes. being surrounded by stronger powers ukraine has needed a lot of cunning to survive and they are they truly mastered with time is the art of changing sides. in the middle of the 17th century ukrainian leader bogged down who. broke a truce agreement made with poland siding more powerful russia. just over 50 years later

many in southern ukraine had been viewing the revolution with concern. and an anti mind on movement formed in the city of odessa in early january 2014 the protesters set up their camp in front of the trade union house a building which would soon become a monument to a massacre of its own it's difficult to overestimate the importance of odessa it is strategically located on the black sea and it's ukraine's largest seaport it's not surprising that ukraine's new authorities were watching the situation unfolding there with growing along arm. more and more of odessa as people were joining the anti my don movement at the same time as events in eastern ukraine were heating up . the new ukrainian government didn't have the power to wage war on too many fronts if odessa were to join the growing uprising in the eastern regions it would seriously complicate the situation. this rebellion had to be extinguished immediately and at any cost and that cost was high. on may 2nd 2014 soccer fans flocked to the center of odessa city for the ukrainian championship match surp

we've done an awful lot for ukraine, more than the europeans or anyone else who has done for ukraine, but there's not much reciprocity here. this is how a mafia boss talks. what have you done for us? we've done so much for you but there's not much reciprocity. i have a favor to ask you and what is that favor? of course the favor is to investigate his political rival, to investigate the bidens. and it's clear that the ukraine president understands exactly what is expected of him and is making every effort to mollify the president. what adds another layer of depravity to this conversation is the president of the united states then invokes the deputy attorney general of the united states as well as his personal lawyer as emissaries in the case of the attorney general as an official head of a u.s. department, the department of justice that he says will be part and parcel of this. now, i know the attorney general is denying involvement in this, but nonetheless you can see why the department of justice would want this transcript never to see the light of day. you can see why they have worke

the new president there in ukraine. and the president in russia so it seems that the 2 presidents have decided upon it's a very high profile prisoner swap i suppose like the fact that all expense of his being released is a big boon for as a landscape because it'll become a bit of a cause celeb in ukraine and the fact you know and from the russian perspective a little bit more muted because the majority of the prisoners who were released to moscow are actually ukrainians only 12 of them are actually are actually russians the other 25 are ukrainian so that means that obviously in russia here the mood is far more muted but you should sorry but but in ukraine it's it will be seen as a victory for israel inskeep it will be seen as a concession here's one from the kremlin and you know the kremlin would be. really well received by france and germany in particular where you know emanuel my corn and angela merkel have been talking about trying to get the peace talks started this month i mean they basically they fell apart in the

then they come out with the ukraine. now, i want to read something in this so-called whistleblower, i call spy. i don't know the person obviously, by the way. but when you read what the individual wrote, it sounds like spying. but the one thing that is written, i was not a direct witness to most of the events described. this is hearsay in our view. by the way, if the witness actually said that in a court of law in the middle district of georgia, say, in maicon, they wouldn't be admitted to court. it's called hearsay. now, here's an interesting fact. it's just coming to light right now. this -- this person says they have no firsthand knowledge of this. they heard this from other people. the form that so-called whistleblowers fill out used to say this -- in order to find an urgent concern credible, the inspector general must be in possession of reliable firsthand information. in other words, the inspector general and the individual making the complaint. so that would be the firsthand information has to have firsthand infor

he wants to end corruption in the ukraine may think thatis corruption in the ukraine may think that is great. but they went there and they wanted to force the new president to do things that they wa nted president to do things that they wanted under the form of political threat. they threatened him if he didn't do things. that is what they are accusing me of, but i did not do it. i didn't threaten anybody. the press was asking questions of the president of the ukraine and he said no pressure. i president of the ukraine and he said no pressure. i use president of the ukraine and he said no pressure. i use the word pressure, he said the word push but you must of been pressure. no push, no pressure, no nothing. it is all a hoax. it is all a big hoax. the sad thing about it is we work so hard with all of these countries and i mean, really hard, i have been up early in the morning to late in the evening and meeting with different countries all for the good of our country and the presidency and cover all of this and it's really disappointing also to those countries that are with us and spend

they say ukraine has it --

aid to the ukraine. just one final point here, we also learned and it backed up our earlier reporting at fox news the whistle-blower did not have firsthand knowledge of the phone call. the question is how did they know about it in the first place? what justice department officials told us is that white house officials relayed the information to the whistle-blower and then they also indicated that the whistle-blower had indications of a political bias in this case. the icig said we'll put that one-to-one side. we think there is something here and we'll pursue it. that's when it went to the nation's top spy, the director of national intelligence. >> bill: simple and straightforward question. will we hear from bill barr again today? would you expect that? yes or no. >> i don't want speculate on that. i just don't know. >> bill: catherine, thank you. >> sandra: joining us now martha maccallum joining our all-star lineup. john roberts on set as well. good morning. your take on things so far, martha? >> i go b

but he wanted something in return and the person who went back from ukraine to moscow is. a key witness in the 17 downer of malaysian. in 2014 to kill that killed 298 people russia insisted of having this person was actually a ukrainian national and was captured by ukrainian security forces a few months ago to be brought to moscow where he arrived today especially dutch prosecutors will be very angry about this because they have opened this case and they wanted to question him but as the dutch authorities have announced they managed to talk to him before he was moved to moscow so in the last couple of days the whole exchange of these prisoners of 70 people was boris hanging on this one person and linsky had made discontent because for him the 24 sailors ukrainian seemless were imprisoned here in russia were captured last year in the coach trade was an important victory he promised to bring them back home during his election and campaign and he managed to fulfill his promise so now the way is open for negotiation still as a possible meeting of the so-called normandy group w

there's no evidence joe biden did anything wrong in ukraine. he was fighting corruption in ukraine. he was trying to get rid of and did get rid of a corrupt dirty prosecutor. who was not backing down on corruption. cracking down. everything trump and giuliani are saying is a lie. including the words a and d. everything is a lie. do not listen to a word. they are trying to corrupt the fact trump has been caught committing another offense. he is already the most corrupt in american history. this could well be the most scandalous conduct. >> form an opinion and be more clear about how you feel next time. >> thank you for joining us today. we'll be right back. l reaches farther than ever before. with more engineers. more towers. more coverage! it's a network that gives you ♪freedom from big cities, to small towns, we're with you. because life can take you almost anywhere, t-mobile is with you. no signal goes farther or is more reliable in keeping you connected. ...depend® silhouette™ briefs feature maximum absorbency, with trusted protection for all out confidence... beautiful colo

i have been to ukraine several times. i went there with john mccain and lindsey graham and stood right after trump got elected be but before he got inaugurated. justice department want john mccain wanted to show that despite trump said that we stood with our allies. we stood there in a blizzard on the front line with the former president and i could see as we met those widows and saw those troops what this was about. it was about them, a very small country trying to hold on to their independence against russia. and they needed america. so this idea that they don't need us, they need us, they needed our missiles, they needed our help and then for this president to go on a phone call, admit that we've been giving them a lot of help, talking about that and then tying it to favors and to bringing up joe biden and his son of which there was no merit, you know it when you see it and this was it. >> the use of the word favors is interesting. i hesitate to use it ever in conversation because if you're asking somebody a favor, it'

it's not russia, it's ukraine, ukraine. for the democrats, this is never been about getting to the truth nor about serving their constituents. all this is about for them is power and an inexplicable hatred and rage towards donald trump. render what congressman al green said in may, democrats don't impeach the president -- he is likely to win reelection. that pretty much sums it up, the end goal has always been impeachment. there is no path, no crimes, high crimes, misdemeanors, abuse of power -- none of that. for the past three years, democrats have failed time and again. we have many options and many choices on impeachment, we'll just pick one and if there is no quid pro quo will lower the bar. hysteria now surrounding ukraine is no different. devin nunes one of his finest moments in congress, he summed it up perfectly -- let's take a look at. >> i want to congratulate democrats on the rollout of the latest informational warfare operation against the president and the extraordinary ability to once again enlist the mainstre

in the transcript, there is a comment by the president of ukraine about aid to ukraine that directly precedes the president's mention of a favor. can you speak to the president holding back funding, and the transcript, mention of funding, and then the mention of a favor. rep. mccarthy: ok, let's just deal with it on facts. the facts show that the president of the united states gave funding prior and after the time we are talking about. if you watch it prior to this, you are taking the word of a whistleblower who says -- they were not on the phone call, and everything they heard is heard from somebody else. you can take the senator. inside you take the president himself, and he is very concerned about europe and what their responsibilities are to help ukraine, based upon the ir location to europe and others. we get the transcipts and what the president told the american public. lo and behold the president of , ukraine says the exact same thing. so based upon all the facts, i'm not concerned at all. senator portman, who made a phone call to president trump, he gave the exact same conve

he asked ukraine to look into its role in the 2016 election where he claimed without evidence that ukraine has the dnc server, and on biden. he then mentioned biden on page 4. he says, there is a lot of talk about biden and his son and a lot of people want to find out if biden stopped the prosecution of a company tied to his son. we should note there is not direct evidence to support this allegation that the president made in the call. now, zelensky said in response to the president bringing up biden that the next prosecutor would look into it. now, we should note that at the bottom of this log there is a disclaimer, that this is not a, quote, verbatim transcript of a discussion. it goes on to say that the text of this document records the notes and recollections of situation room duty officers and nse policy staff assigned to listen and immoralize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. i do want to note a senior white house official says that there is voice recognition software that puts the transcript out, what it calls a transcript, and then those who listened

in ukraine, and that slopped-over into the u.s. election back int. that not only is entirely appropriate for the president to be asking, about what was going on, and to make sure the ukrainian president get to the bottom of it so it doesn't happen again, but it would be responsible of the president if he didn't make such a request. >> harris: look, just about everything these days, we look at through political prism. you've got the tit for tat, if you will, of biden and trump. they are political opponents. but from what i'm reading, joe biden may have a problem, legally. why is that? >> joe biden should have a problem because he made a specific request to have a foreign prosecutor, who may very well have been looking into his sun's business dealings in ukraine, while he -- that is, biden -- was vice president of the united states. there is very much a problem with what then-vice president biden did. but it's nothing similar to what the president was doing here, simply asking the ukrainian president to try and get to the bottom of t

are you going to call the president of ukraine? [inaudible] >> motors are going to decide -- >> shortly, we will give you something, why did ukraine seem to be the center of all this toxic corruption. what is going on there? and why didn't poison our political system like a former presidency. mike will explain whites one of the she displaces on the planet. next. tv announcer: it's just as powerful as the lexus rx... as many safety features as the rx, the new... the lexus rx has met its match. if they're talking about you... you must be doing something right. experience the style, craftsmanship, and technology that have made the rx the leading luxury suv of all time. lease the 2019 rx 350 for $399 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. walking a dog can add thousands walking this many?day. that can be rough on pam's feet, knees, and lower back. that's why she wears dr. scholl's orthotics. they relieve pain and give her the comfort to move more so she can keep up with all of her best friends. dr. scholl's. bo

>> well, we're working with ukraine and want other countries to work with ukraine. i say work i'm referring to money. put up more money. we've put up a lot of money. i gave you anti-tank busters that frankly president obama was sending you pillows and sheets. i gave you anti-tank budgeters a -- budgeters a lot of people didn't want to do it but i did it. i believe president putin would like to do something. i really hope you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. a tremendous achievement and i know you're trying to do that. >> mr. president, did you ask the house speaker desch- desch- -- >> you said looking into joe biden's son, have you had that conversation? >> no, i haven't, but i think -- i think that somebody, if you look what he did it's so bad. what his son -- goes to china. walks away with a billion and a half dollars. goes to ukraine walks away with $50,000 a month and a lot of money in addition to that. and the whole thing with the prosecutor in ukraine. he's on cake. this isn't like, maybe he did. maybe he didn't. he's on tape doing