that's right and nato. decided in 1991 that it should adapt itself rather than go out of business and i think that was the right decision ending genocide in bosnia herzegovina where we saw for the 1st time since world war 2 concentration camps and ethnic cleansing and i think and i would defend that nato did in kosovo and dealing with war crimes which were documented by the international criminal tribunal for the for the former yugoslavia and it up to began after $911.00 and became part of the world's response to international terrorism let's focus on what nato needs to do now and in this discussion it does need to adapt again europe does need to play a bigger role in nato don't trump isn't totally wrong when he hammers the allies over defense spending but at the same time the u.s. needs to really rebuild its own leadership role and that's what my problem is i think of attention to what he said nato was braindead he was basically saying u.s. leadership which is the sort of essential foundation for nato can

nato is strong. united states north america and europe we do more together than got done for decades one of nato's most important members has spoiled the party in a historic week for the alliance emanuel macos at least he is calling into question some of nato's founding values in an interview with the economist magazine nicole said the mutual defense pact was in danger of breaking down. what we are currently experiencing is the brain death of nato he said adding you have no coordination whatsoever of strategic decision making between the united states and its nato allies. it's the events of last month in syria that have my call worried 1st the alliances largest member of the united states announced a troop pullout without consulting its allies then another alliance member turkey marched into the syrian northeast despite the vehement objections of berlin and paris they're worried it threatens european security. but does all this add up to a threat or just a blip in nato's history nato in germany insis

regard as allies i mean how does nato square that circle. well turkey has never asked for nato's help in syria but i think the answer you've just heard makes it absolutely clear that turkey does not regard russia as an enemy it's not conceivable to buy ed defense systems from someone whom you regard as an enemy turkey may condemn what it calls in my view wrongly russia russian aggression in ukraine but the facts of diplomacy are that turkey and russia work together on a number of issues including as it happens in syria so it's just not true to say that russia is an enemy of turkey it's not true fabrice a party to say that russia is considered an enemy by fronts president machen received president putin at the flaws in a council. for the g. 7 summit and he said i'm sorry i didn't interrupt you could you let me finish and he said that he wanted to build together with russia. architecture of confidence in order to improve european security and to solve other world crises that's not the language that you use when you're addressing an enemy you d

have 5000 bureaucrats working for nato in brussels. so existence is the mission ok but that's a dangerous mission because of what something that mark said earlier is that we have a large alliance like this with divergent views and interests and actually been going to happen in and then there's some people that want that to happen here go ahead the menu and paris yes i think that's a very good question obviously it's like taxes once they all voted it's very rare that you come back on it so nato has its own existence it's a kind of artifact in itself it stays because it is and this is always a problem we have when we create a monster you we you have walking dead frankenstein and this is what we have today but i think president trump addressed this question 2 days ago and said well i think if we had to reassign maybe a mission to nato it would be today to deal with the enemies or of our civilization and who are the enemies nowadays it's not communism anymore it's something far more real and it is something that is that isn't really a war

of nato.o. still l you feel t that comingng through. he is the nato chief and very composed. ever known to be the cautious diplomat. his mission is to talk the talk and make it sound as cohesive as possible. there are differences with others notably in the u.s. that his vision of nato's cohesiveness, he said that while questions are being asked about doingamerica, they are more and working more togetherer than they have in decades. here we run headlong into a wall of reality. on one hand, it is true that nato committees and nato allies continue to. the other reality. president trump has spoken with nothing but contempt. it was even early on in the administration, questioning the utility or whether the mutual defense pact. including trump trying to .acktrack from that and signal she disagrees with the comments that nato is brain-dead and nato very much rececognizes nato's importance, very much on board as the largest member of nato. officials,u have the the envoys, all of it. and you have donal

the germans are very clear as well that nato must become more european, so the european pillar of nato is what is going to be the kind of direction of travel. and this is very clear. that was one of the main innovations when the former defence minister now of the former defence minister now of the commission, when she was at the ministry of defence, this was the clear message that came from germany. i remember i was filming in 2016 in warsaw for the nato summit, and there there was the first joint declaration of nato in the eu, 76 points, a numberof declaration of nato in the eu, 76 points, a number of points of cooperation in defence. my film dealt exactly with this. europe needs to start thinking about its defence on its own, because it cannot count any more on america, and europeans need to take responsibility. we will have to leave the subject, but before we do, michael, just focus on exactly the 48 hours when everybody is in the uk, because these nato leaders are coming in in the middle of this difficult moment for nato itself, and they are coming into our uk general election camp

and i quote brain death what we're currently experiencing is that brain death of nato nato only works if the guarantor of last resort functions as and now since early november when that happened this jab is still hurting with the nato for instance secretary-general stoltenberg has felt the urge on tuesday to comment on those words and essentially he said that europe is defenseless without nato e.u. cannot defend europe well mccraw his words didn't sit well with other members of the blog to for instance the u.s. ambassador to nato she said that she strongly disagreed with them and she called the alliance essential i don't think europe would be a sea without a transatlantic bond that we have the german foreign minister also talked about this and he said that nato had been europe's military insurance for the past 70 years and one polish member of the european parliament well he managed to find the only present russian trailed behind micron's words in fact he stopped very short of calling the french president a russian puppet i think is very sensitive to russian pressure in any case in fr

doesn't look like nato wants to do that and this adds up to all the divisions between france and nato for instance just to remind here's a statement by emmanuel mccrone that caused outrage within the alliance a few weeks ago. we are currently experiencing is the brain death of nato nato and you would see if the guarantor of last resort functions and so. now this did not sit well with the blog at all a lot of nations criticized france criticized the french leader for saying stuff like this young stoltenberg has repeatedly retreated and he's done that today as well that europe cannot defend itself without nato that nato is crucial for you to european stability and angela merkel she just recently stressed that nato is as important if not more important than it used to be during the times of the cold war she had previously criticized mccrone for saying that nato is braindead as well. as say it's in our interests to preserve need to know more than during the cold war or at least as much as during the cold war. well there's plenty of other ideas that emanuel mccrone has which nato might hav

does europe need nato yeah i think so yeah before build up of defense. we have to speak up with the russian and to try to bring the europe a bloc efficient between the u.s. and china and russia. nato is obsolete because europe no longer truly has an organized enemy on its territory. i think europe needs to start having its own weapons both political and economic to protect itself europe cannot defend itself without me being alone we don't advance well with help we can move faster and stronger evidently the chasm between opinions on whether or not nato needs europe and vice versa is as wide here in paris as it is within the bloc itself a mortgage donna reporting from paris. but we talked about this with the director of the crisis research institute mark almond he told us that there are a number of disagreements threatening integrity. there are certain tensions between paris and berlin between paris and washington french so that they need to assert themselves and your views for such as a separate pillar of nato and not be too dependent on the americans but

nato members are wondering what is the use of nato and the european countries. unfortunately are very quiet and very tightly to be in and they are the commander of united states or america because made is. truly and really commanded by the united states. the mayor of a small town in bolivia who was brutally assaulted by protesters amid unrest triggered by the country's political crisis is refusing to resign patricia archer has now left hospital images of the attack of her on her emerge on social media revealing the violence towards politicians of the party of ousted leader ever more as quick warning you may find the following scenes upsetting at the start of november after setting the fire and small paraded her bare foot and cut her hair in public spraying red during the 4 hour ordeal she was made to kneel and sign the resignation letter she told us she'd been treated for kidney damage sustained from the blows received. the will what happened was disgusting i am now recovering from brean all damage that i suffered during the assault and i am still in pain the al

nato bombed serbia. nato was starting our nation huge material damage and killed many people. will be remarked if we decided to become a nato member but what we would give it a moral right to believe that it did the right thing for moral stand this way we would betray the memory of those who died as a result of. a new corporate bombing operation was called the angel of mercy can you imagine that we're not on or. another important point of course is the fact that serbia were and as the home country of my people has established a policy or military neutrality and republican is following that policy or. we do not want to line or even the balkans which is now formally border to be strengthened and kept in place we wanted to disappear. secondly the more if we made the decision it would have to spend twice as much money as we spend today in our armed forces. that would be a blow to our economy we're not in our state budget do not true that would mean no more than we have to buy military hardware and weapons exclusively from nato countries. because only one of the reasons from you to

that is putting nato's future in doubt prompting german and nato leaders mounting a hasty defense today. >> part of the berlin wall is displayed outside of nato's headquarters. stoltenberg is celebrating the victory over communism but he is declaring that his alliance isn't dead. >> nato is strong and the united states are working together. >> one of nato's most important members has spoiled the party in historic week for the alliance. president macron is calling into question some of nato's founding values. in an interview, he said the mutual defense pact was in danger of breaking down. what we are currently experiencing is the brain death of nato he said adding you have no coordination whatsoever of strategic decision making between the united states and its nato allies.s. it's the e events of last monthn syria that h have macr worried. the alliance's largest member, united states, announced a troop pullout and tuturkey marched i the syrian northeast despite the objections of berlin and paris. they are worried that it threatens european security. but does all this add up to a threat?

but does this all add up to a threat or just a blip in nato is history nato and germany insisted in berlin that the alliance is still alive and well. even if we do have problems and even if we do disagree on the german perspective nato is very much in our interest it's our security alliance. for its part has been signaling an increased commitment to the alliance visiting trainees soldiers defense minister and it could come said she's in favor of making nato has 2 percent spending mandatory she at least is optimistic about the western alliance even as other members questioned its future. with some of the other stories making headlines around the world today billionaire michael bloomberg is considering entering the 2020 u.s. presidential race warning that the current field of candidates is ill equipped to defeat donald trump the former new york mayor has not formally announced his bid but he's expected to run in the democratic primary in the state of alabama. 10 government protesters have been killed in baghdad and the port city of. security forces have used tear gas in the latest disturbanc

but does this all add up to a threat or just a blip in nato history nato and germany insisted in berlin that the alliance is still alive and well. even if we do have problems and even if we do disagree on the german perspective nato is very much in our interest it's our security alliance. for its part carlin has been signaling an increased commitment to the alliance visiting trainees soldiers defense minister and it played complicated said she's in favor of making nato has 2 percent spending mandatory she at least is optimistic about the western alliance even as other members questioned its future. let's bring in our political correspondent told us. so is having a bit of a crisis it seems told us with the french leader talking of brain death is germany in any position to help put the alliance back on course. i would say germany is enough political capacity to play a leading role in nato germany has defended to nato many many times in fact german leaders have called nato indispensable and we just saw there what i'm going to merkel have to say about nato so politically certainly germany i

is not abandoning nato but that more german money is needed and he put it this way nato freedom does not come for free. or the words of the french president they certainly are jolting but not necessarily surprising to talk about that i'm joined now by mr carsten votes he is a former member of the german parliament for the social democrats he served 2 german chancellor gerhard schroeder and until america as coordinator of german north american relations mr vote it's good to have you on the program so we've got mr macro in the french president saying that europe should not or cannot rely on the u.s. to defend its nato allies do you agree i think it's i don't agree but the american commitment has been less clear and many inside need to observing that the americans. use the kurds in the halls and syria to get the isis. that. lets them know it's what they just used and therefore the credibility of a vote which is not the result of weaponry the credibility has gone and therefore i think it's quite understandable for many reasons. that many in europe are not also in for eternity to nato but

be other ones who don't want to change nato. for us was not negotiate. they knew it and that is why they say you're not going to move to nato reform no government will be formed and i said ok you're not going to move towards nato and we will form a government one year after the elections you do know is that you have no elected government the level of bosnia and herzegovina no more room to pick one i cannot really say when it will finally happen what is certain is that we cannot accept the membership action plan. to be rich just difficult to avoid cooperation was nato at least in some way we do not want to start membership because she ations and that's what they are trying to impose on us in brussels and elsewhere nato is saying that it is dog and republican serbs. are throwing spokes in the well. i said well republicans serbska isn't sitting idly by as far as i know the parliament discussed a possible referendum in nato membership last week not in addition you are known for openly advocating for the complete independence of your country russia is what co

stresses its commitment to nato as the french president slammed the alliance as. we aspirations what they think. we're going to sort of nature. because you're a little too truly has an organized enemy and its territory i think europe needs to start having. political and economic protect itself. and the british university cancels a talk by a feminist artist after students accuse her of trans phobia we get her side of the story. i don't believe i'm trying to fight because i don't believe i said anything trying to transpire bake i think you know universities are the only places that places you discuss if someone disagrees with me then i want to find out why and we can learn from each other but. a very warm welcome to the program from all of us here at our teacher here in moscow thanks for joining us this hour. obtained documents reveal that the u.s. drugmaker purdue pharma use leaving media outlets to downplay the risks of its widely prescribed opiate painkiller drug has been blamed for america's deadliest epidemic revelations were made by the investigative media out

so our common enemy today in nato is terrorism which has hit each of our countries. but nato is nothing if not adaptable we heard many times now they're evolving to adapt to the fact that the u.s. is tired of paying for everyone because everyone else's so successful that no one wants to foot the bill we work together and getting some of our allies to pay their fair share it's called burden sharing and. as you know when i came it wasn't so good the united states plays for a very big share of nato a disproportionate share but in all seriousness there is something that has changed in the last 30 years if your country's abiding russian weapons turkey spending billions on russian s 400 defense systems and refusing to go and march up and down on russia's borders until nato acknowledges that its members have actual problems. if some countries object to another country's security concerns of being a tourist then there will be no unity with the natives are nato the galaxy's greatest military alliance since the big bang it isn't gentleman all since the moment of creation proba

is nato brain—dead with a com plete he right? is nato brain—dead with a complete lack of co—ordination? he right? is nato brain—dead with a complete lack of co-ordination? he is specifically frustrated i what happened in the conversation between the united states and turkey and then turkey going into syria at the end of the interview he said i spoke about rain death. nato is a system does not regulate its members. as soon as does not regulate its members. as soon as you does not regulate its members. as soon as you have does not regulate its members. as soon as you have a does not regulate its members. as soon as you have a member who feels they have the right to head off on their long —— own, they do it. is clearly a ng ry their long —— own, they do it. is clearly angry about turkey and the us and so i think that specific case was problematic but on the whole the alliance has been working together well and especially in support of the eastern members. the fact that angela merkel and jen stoltenberg have rebuffed wh

involvement in nato? >> yes. because it's costing us too much money. >> number one, nato is obsolete. number two, the countries in nato are not paying their fair share. >> nato has not treated us fairly. >> reporter: trump, according to "the new york times" even considered pulling the u.s. out of nato several times, but tonight the white house seemed to reject macron's assessment. a senior administration official telling cnn the u.s. looks forward to working with its nato allies against current and future threats. still, analysts say macron's comments and trump's past disdain for nato hand another kgb colonel in moscow. >> president macron's comments were music to the kremlin's ears. >> for years, vladimir putin pounded home the message to his people that the u.s.-european alliance is an exist earn threat to russia. analysts say have putin practically dancing in the halls of the kremlin and he'll jump at the chance to exploit macron's temper tantrum. >> i am sure russia today and sputnik and all of the other russ

today nato as such, nato as such only devotes around 600 million, 600 million u.s. dollars a year for investment in equipment. the rest of it is national responsibility and of course, it will remain national responsibility, but i do believe that we would make a leap forward if we devote more resources for nato funding of artificial intelligence and other high-tech investments, and we should speed up decision making processes in nato. when nato took responsibility for the operation in kosovo in the '90s, nato spent six months to take that decision. when we in 2011 took the operation in libya, we spent six days. in the future, i think we will have maximum six minutes. so ambassadors cannot discuss this at length in brussels. we have to speed up the decision making processes. and my final remark will be, i also think the u.s. should take leadership in preparing international conventions to regulate the use and production of artificial intelligence. because otherwise, we might risk that-- the autocracies with misuse it in a way that we cannot accept. i know this will be

and turkey is among the top five contributors of nato. and of course our position with the united states under the roof of nato is quite different. and i believe london will be quite busy. president trump: we will have a big meeting on nato very soon. i think i can say it because other people feel the way, the president was disappointed in the statement made by france having to do with commitment and nato. it was a big statement made a couple days ago by france and i think it bothered the president very much and i don't think he was very happy about it. a lot of other people feel that way. >> it is unacceptable. that is a nice way of saying it. president trump: do you guys have any questions? >> i have never had an opportunity like this before. i appreciate it. the purpose of the meeting is to have questions for our friends in turkey. >> regarding the remarks and france from president macron, i think the comments were ill-advised and should be rethought. today we are going to have a discussion about common interests and disagreements we h