-russia relation shape. there's also a question of are there things that the administration can do to change the narrative that would allow the administration to -- greater flexibility in dealing with russian than has now. and like the cruise missile attack that mike kofman talked about it change third dynamic of the conversation between the trump administration takes an action like that. there's great public and congressional support for that here in the united states. the russian leadership is visibly angry about it, and opposed to it. so, i wouldn't rule out further progress in the relationship without the election issue being resolved, because i think at a certain point there will be -- the election interference was a major issue at a time when there was no policy toward russia and everybody was trying to guess what the administration residents policy toward russia was them more that there is a russia policy and that there are intervening events, like the cruise missile strike, i think the more that the

and from the beginning russia wanted to be a part of it, russia wanted to join nato. i think we've lost the question. the question is about the security of this part of the world under donald trump — here's what worries me... that one of his closest advisers, newt gingrich, talked about their baltics as if they were a suburb of st petersburg. that's what he said of estonia. this part of the world, that's what i suggested. and that is a mentality that is existing in our white house, and when the time comes, this is all nice we've increased our forces, that defence spending is going to grow, and i'm all for that but this is about what happens in a crisis. this is about the fact that people are worried. vladimir putin has already intervened in estonia, by kidnapping people and removing them. he's invaded ukraine and the reason people are worried is what will the united states do in a crisis? if your president doesn't believe that nato is important, no matter what the vice president says, and the secretary of defence says, the president may not behave in a way that brin

russia foreign policy. >> very accomplished quite ,nowledgeable experts on russia a variety of institutional perspectives. the second question which we are asked in -- asking, what does america need? conversation this what america needs rumpefined by the winning t team. if we look at what the president is saying today, his secretary of state and security advisor, we would give a different answer. the russian behavior has changed completely. another possibility that president assad -- they did not pass the test, that is also a disability. another disability is that the president has discovered something new and incriminating about russian conflict or discover something important that we he was not aware of regarding and american anyway, this is a very important, interesting and difficult topic and i am looking forward to the conversation. we will start with -- director of the center for european russia and european and professor -- of georgetown university, who has written numerous books and articles on russia. she has a background as a scholar and a practitioner. she has also traveled to rus

he was in russia recently. he was there, traveling to several russian cities, to present a documentary on boris nemtsov. he abruptly became ill, was hospitalized. his friends, families, those of us in the room, feared he was targeted with poison. and i have to say, for all of us who know him and have worked with him, he is a man of courage. he is a person who has strength of convictions -- deep convictions -- and a very fervent desire to see a democratic russia. re fundamental freedoms are protected. is vice chair of open russia movement and chairman of the boris nemtsov foundation for freedom. and we are very honored that he is able to be here with us. i also want to recognize his evgenia, who is also here, who is also truly a person of courage as well in this fight. please join me in a vigorous applause for these very three distinguished speakers. senator cardin. [applause] -- distinguished speakers. >> madam ambassador, thank you very much for that very generous and kind introduction. it's a pleasure to be b

and russia. this is 30 minutes. >> secretary-general, it is a pleasure to welcome you to the white house it is an important moment in our great alliance. i want to it the great work being done by our secretary of state rex tillerson to strengthen the nato alliance, as well as the secretary's trip to moscow to promote the security interests of the united states and its allies. he did a terrific job. just watched parts of it and he did an absolutely part o terrifc job. not far from where we are gathered today, president harry truman spoke at the signing of the north atlantic treaty. in the nearly seven decades since harry truman spoke those words, the nato alliance has been the bulwark of international peace and security. nato allies defeated communism and liberated the captive nations of the cold war. they secured the longest period of unbroken peace that europe has ever known. this enduring partnership is rooted out of so many different things, but our common security is always number one. and ou

and russia? >> it's not a new cold war but we have seen increased tensions and the relationship between nato and russia has been worse for many years. and for me, that just underlines the importance of what we call dual approach for nato. we need to have stronger fence credible deterrence combined with russia. russia is our biggest neighbor. russia is here to stay. we have to find a way to manage a relationship with them and how to avoid the new cold war and arms race and therefore what nato does is -- >> but the president, president trump says there is fear in europe. fear among nato alliance among nato allies of russia right now. is that fear justified? >> we don't see any imminent threat against any nato ally country. but we see more in russia which has used military force against the european neighbor, ukraine. and which is using hybrid warfare, cyberattacks, to intimidate also nato ally countries. and therefore we are stepping up our collective defense and we have the biggest reinforcement c

there's also an element of russia's agency, russia's conduct in this environment, and russia's conduct, i would have to agree with steve, has made it in some cases much bloodier and more violent than it had to be. >> thank you. with quite a few people raising their hands, we have 1 15 minuts so i will ask all of you to ask brief questions or comments, and brief answers. governor? [inaudible] thank you, dimitri. i apologize for being a few minutes late. rainstorm and interstate 95 traffic kept me from hearing and you and stephen, although i listen closely to paul and michael and its children to get to the edge of what to the russians want. you'll try to get to that and maybe that was explained by the first two speakers carefully, but paul, i read very closely your lavrov interview, very closely, and trying to understand what do the russians want by listening to the interview. what i came away with was an interview that expressed anger, resentment, a sense of inferiority, fear and that their actions would then be conducted as a result of that. what we are seeing right now is an invasion

>> yeah, it's russia. >> russia's military buildup. okay, back further, the gentleman with the beard. >> thank you, your excellency. following the coup in turkey various staff on nato were part of the turkish military were targeted by president erdogan political purges. so how is this affected nato's day-to-day operations and how does nato plan to respond to future political peoples or even human rights abuses in its member states? >> great, thank you. and we will go in front of you, the women there with her hand up. >> thank you so much, mr. secretary-general. earlier in your remarks you mentioned that nato's greatest strength is that it is able to deter with credibility and given the actions of russia in crimea in 2014, which he referred to earlier, how will nato reassert their credibility in europe, and in what ways should the united states also take action to reassert their credibility within the nato organization? thank you so much. >> great. thank you very much over to you, secretary-general. russia's military buildup, restoring

but at the same time, we have to find ways to engage with russia, to talk with russia because russia will not go away. russia will be our biggest neighbor and we have to find ways to live with them and try to avoid a new cold war and new arms race. that's exactly why i am very much in favor of what we call the dual-track approach to rush ha. as a former norwegian politician, i have the experience of working with russians because norway is bordering russia and norway was able to even during the cold war to develop i call a pragmatic working relationship with russia. cooperating with them on energy, border issues, on environment, on fishery and also in military affairs and that was not despite our membership in nato, but it was because of our membership in nato because nato provided the strength, the predictability, the platform, for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia. so i strongly believe that the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but the only way to avoid a new cold war, avoid a new arms race and avoid increasing tensions is to coinue tengage russia in

as far as russia is concerned, she said "russia needs to side with the civilized world." >> to my colleagues from russia, you are isolating yourselves from the international community every time one of assads planes drop another barrel bomb on civilians. every time assad tries to starve another community to death. people not just in the west but across the middle east and the world are speaking out against assad's brutality. >> haley has called assad a "war criminal." expect the vote in about 20 minutes. >> shepard: thanks. new information leading two trump associates directly to russia. what we've learned about the former foreign policy adviser carter page and the campaign manager, paul manafort. new information and it's next. (vo) my name is bryan. i'm proud to make dog chow in davenport, iowa. dog chow's been a part of my family's life for over 40 years. my grandfather made it and now i'm making it. as a micro-biologist i ensure that dog chow leads with high quality ingredients. but we've got the get tdigital tools to help. now with xfinity's my account, you can figure things out easily,

in russia now? >> that is one of the counter indications of russia be an authoritarian. although they have crackdown on public opinion polling to some extent they have not prohibited it. so, you can go into the country and work with an independent polling company who is not affiliated with the government and you can ask just about any question you want to ask. i say just about, for as i know you can ask any question. no one reads our questionnaire, no one approves it we ask questions about what you like about putin what don't you like about him and people give us answers. we have little tricks we can play in terms of asking people questions to try to tell if they are lying to us or not. the evidence is that they're trying telling us as much of a truth. >> so what is the take away? >> guest: the take away in the book is that people support undemocratic regimes for the same reason they support democratic regimes. they like regimes that provide peace and prosperity, individual both the security and fre

position as far as cooperation with russia that russia must admit or agree that syria was behind the chemical atta attack, and that russia must disown assad? like can cooperation happen if russia maintains the position that syria is not behind that chemical attack? >> it is not just "behind it." i think that russia has joined an international agreement regarding the -- not just the use of, but possession of. it was susan rice who went out and said that syria no longer had access to chemical weapons. we any that's not true. i think the united states, russia and others, signed an international agreement that syria was part of that said that they would not, not only use, but possess chemical weapons. the first thing that we need to do is make sure that we enforce the existing agreement that russia is a partner to. that is first and foremost. i think we need to make sure we do that because it is in the national interest of the united states to make sure that the proliferation of chemical weapons spreads no further. that's something that we've got to be very careful of. not just the deter

and russia. this is a half hour. >> the big topic of the day, the syria, russia, north korea, china. ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states and secretary-general of the north atlantic treaty organization. president trump: thank you. secretary-general stoltenberg, it is a pleasure to welcome you to the white house, especially at such an important moment in our great alliance. i also want to acknowledge the great work being done by our secretary of state, rex tillerson, to strengthen this nato alliance as well as his trip to moscow to promote the security interest of the united states and its allies. he did a terrific job. i watched parts of it. he did an absolutely terrific job. 68 years ago this month not far , from where we are gathered today, president harry truman spoke at the signing of the north atlantic treaty. in the nearly seven decades since harry truman spoke those words, the nato alliance has been the bulwark of international peace and security. nato allies defeated c

do you think russia... actually, we tabled an alternative draft, which unfortunately was not supported. not supported? you were isolated. is there a danger that russia has become almost dangerously isolated as a result of this issue? i do not accept the claim that russia was isolated, even in this particular case. as you know, the western draft resolution was not supported by five of the 15 members of the security council. abstained rather than vetoed. well, there is only the need for one permanent member to veto a resolution. and on the question of what happened with... whether there was a chemical attack, you call for an investigation by the opcw. they are going to carry out an investigation. will you accept whatever theirfinding is? of course. i wonder why they are not there yet, because two weeks have passed. the syrian government has invited them to inspect the airfield which was the object of the us air attack, and certain prominent figures of the opposition that controlled the area where the alleged

they are russia. it used to be the area of the eastern bloc over which russia believes it should still have influence. are aality is that if you large country in a region, yes, you will probably have outsize influence on what happens in that region, but the reality also is that those are no longer part of the eastern bloc. the south caucasus, georgia, you have ukraine and the baltics and these are independent countries. if they decide to take a certain route, should that really be up to russia? i think with respect to crimea i think now when we are speaking about ukraine, the issue is much and the issue is eastern ukraine and the thousands of people have died there and whether or not the ukrainian government to make the forms necessary while they're still fighting with russia in part of its country. host: as far as the talks currently going on, described what to expect from the rest of these talks. do we see future meetings happening between the two countries? guest: yes, prudent and trump are excited

we're stronger than russia. if they say enough with assad, they're going to have to start thinking. >> what i meant by moving the line is something that we talked about yesterday. what is the red line really. first it was chemical weapons. now from the administration, it's the use of barrel bombs reportedly. so what is next? firing on your own people? it is war. it is a bloody civil war. more than 400,000 people have died, barrel bombs have been part of that. >> there's a lot of questions that people have. it's important to note that these specific chemical weapons of mass destruction have been used four times since world war i, including 2013 with bashar al-assad. so this is a next level war crime, by international war standards. the question going forward, what exactly is the strategy from the trump administration. now that he has said this red line will no longer stand, the united states of america will no longer do what president obama did for eight years, what happens? russia is playing hardball. i think th

, we can talk to russia because russia is our neighbor, russia is a states, so we must find ways to manage that . i have certain the united states supports this approach, partly because the united states is contributing with forces to enhance our presence in the eastern alliance and also the southeast and romania, -- in romania, and the president fight withy will not russia, but based on unity and strength in the alliance. the next question? thank you very much. secretary-general, how long do you think it will take you to persuade the other european countries to burden share, and what are you going to do to persuade them? mr. president, can i ask you -- i am here to help. and mr. president, do you think it is conceivable with your instinct, is it possible syrian forces could have launched the attack in italy -- in idlib last week without the russians knowing, and have you been disappointed, surprised by vladimir putin's reaction since then? thank you very much. donald trump: i think it is certainly possible. i think it is probably unlikely, and i know they are doing investigations into tha

i understand the point, but it's not putin's russia. it's russians' russia. russia is not vladimir putin. russia is an ancient proud culture and tradition embedded in its people. vladimir putin just happens to be a tyrant that today controls its government, but i thank you for inviting me to participate in this event. and i'm incredibly proud to be here with vladimir kara-murza. when we talk about people around the world who risk their lives in the name of freedom, vladimir is an example of just how true this is. and his brave fight for democracy and freedom in his country is truly an inspiration. we have an award in america called the profiles in courage, and it is large lly given to someone who took political risks because you might have lost an election or took nasty criticism in the press for doing so. a real incredible level of courage is knowing that your position on politics can yhave you killed or exiled or both. the state of human rights under vladimir putin and russia has long been on a severe decline. this deterioration has only accelerated in rece

and russia, what does it mean for the democrat argument that the trump admission has ties to russia? we will take a look at that as well as the 8 press briefing ahead. success has always been measured in zeros. but shouldn't it be about firsts? and seconds... how about adding a third? we think there's a bajillion ways to measure success. and whether you have hundreds or millions... we think you deserve the financial freedom to sleep like this at night. this is the new success story. and at t-i-a-a, we're with you. start today at t-i-a-a dot org. >> jon: fox news alert, secretary of state rex tillerson is in moscow today, the highest ranking official to visit russia since president trump took office. the secretary met with g7 leaders this morning in italy, discussing whether russia should face more sanctions for supporting the assad regime. >> it is also clear that russia has failed to uphold the agreements that have been entered into under multiple u.n. security council resolutions for these agreements stipulate that russia is the guarantor of a syria free of chemical weapons, that t

-russia cooperation. so in other words despite all this tough talk, what they're trying to do behind the scenes is give mus cow room to maneuver to get on the same side as washington. and that's why while you had all these tough statements out of tillerson, out of lavrov, you don't have a two-hour meeting and not get anything done with the president of russia. this is in a sense to take your analogy of the bromance being over between russia and washington, d.c., this is -- >> listen, tillerson is in russia at the same time the russian investigating dominating the news here at home. just tonight the fbi director james comey said americans need to inoculate against russian attempts to undermine faith and democratic processes. when that is your backdrop, what can you really expect to accomplish here? >> i think you still have to represent the interests of your country. russia is going to represent the interests of its country. and our interests in some areas coincide, and others they don't. you have to under

and russia. i thank the foreign minister on the product ty rounds of discussions and i look forward to future conversations. thank you. >> i look forward to future conversation. >> >> mr. tillerson, over the last few days from washington, we've been hearing mr. trump calling assad an animal as well as mr. spicer who compared mr. assad to mr. hitler who said that mr. hitler never -- >> the united states, supported by the facts that we have, our conclusive, that the recent chemical weapons attack carried out in syria was planned and it was directed and executed by syrian regime forces. we're quite confident of that. this is just the latest in a series of the use of chemical weapons by the assad regime. notwithstanding their use on more than 50 occasions of chlorine bombs and cluster bombs and other types of weapons that are intended to maim and kill in the most horrific ways. so i think the characterization is one that president assad has brought upon himself. >> josh? >> translator: i will have to

-russia relations. a month later, during a trip to moscow to give a speech, page allegedly met with russian nationals who had been sanctioned by the u.s. >> did you have any meetings last year with russian officials inside russia, outside russia, sir? ? >> i had no meets. >> what about a putin ally and the head of the oil company owned mostly the russian government and sanctioned by the u.s. carter denies meeting him. but -- but page secretly met with him in moscow and said that trump would lift sanctions if elected and in exchange, page would get shares of the oil giant, in effect getting paid for being the go between. >> was there ever any offer that you would get anything out of the deal? >> no hint of an offer, no pathway to anything resembling an offer or even a discussion on this range of issues. >> and nothing about getting the sanctions lifted. >> not even something worth a dollar, let alone something worth billions of dollars. >> any accusation that you colluded with russia during the campaign

a message to russia, as well. and the secretary of state had very sharp words for russia. he said this, don. he said, either russia has been complicit or russia has been incompetent in its act ability to, essentially, stop these chemical attacks. so, these pointed words from the secretary of state. he is heading to russia next week for meetings. so, you know, this, of course, is the underlying question here, what is next from this, was this -- this was the biggest military strike, the first military strike the president has ordered of this magnitude, will it be the last? >> and rex tillerson saying, making it clear that russia was not the target of these attacks, saying that it was the syrian regime. >> indeed. >> jeff zeleny joining us from palm beach, florida, jeff, thank you very much. wolf, i want to get back to you. wolf, there was some indication earlier, as you were on the air, that the president was speaking to officials about the possibility of what actions he could take or possibly take with syria. >> yeah, he was obviously very, very moved by those powerful imag

, to talk with russia because russia is not -- will not go away. russia will be our biggest neighbor, and we have to find ways to live with them and to try to avoid a new cold war and arms race and that's exactly why i am very much in favor of what we call the dual track approach to russia, and as a former norwegian politician i have the experience to work with russia because norway is bordering russia and norway was able even during the cold war to develop a pragmatic working relationship with russia, cooperating with them on energy, on boarder issues, on environment, on fishery, and also on military affairs, and that was not despite our membership in nato, but it was because of our membership in nato because nato provided the strength, the predictability, the platform for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia so i strongly believe that the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but only way to avoid a new cold war, avoid an arms race and akrois increase tensions is to continue to engage russia in a political dialogue and mak

because russia will not go with russia. because russia will not go away, it'll our biggest neighbour. then we have to find ways to avoid a new cold war and new arms race. that is exactly why i'm very much in favour of what we call the jewel track approach to russia. as a former norwegian politician i have the experience to work with russians because norway is bordering russia. norway was able even during the cold war to develop a pragmatic working relationship with russia. cooperating with them on energy, an border issues, environment, fishery. also in military affairs. that was not despite our membership in nato, it was because of membership in nato, because nato provided the strength, predictability, the platform for a small country to have a political dialogue with russia. so i strongly believe the only way to deter russia is to be strong, but the only way to avoid new cold war, avoid a new arms race, avoid increasing tensions, is to continue to engage russia in political dialogue and make sure what we do is defensive an

is, so to speak, the and e between russia europe. if the united states gives up russia, it wouldn't make america great. would contrary, it strengthen and embolden putin, ho is challenging american global leadership. has strong strategic interests in keeping ukraine as western world. host: okay. form eformer nato ecretary general anders rasmussen. and as we talk about the u.s. relations, we have a line of 202-748-8003. if you're outside the united we encourage you to join the conversation as well. want to ask about a tweet you sent yesterday. you said the world hasn't become a more peaceful place after u.s. hesitation to act over eight years. we need a policeman and only play that role. what did you mean by that, and what was the reaction? guest: there was a lot of that tweet, i can you. because it is important to state that the united states shouldn't policeman. s but you can see that the world is on fire. wherever you look, there are problems, middle east, iraq, erbia, africa, even europe is sinking from the burden from refugees. n

secretary tillerson during his visit, to make sure we let russia no they need to move up theyt russia no -- know need to move up the obligations they have made. >> what will this look like and when can we expect it? mr. spicer: great question, i think you know well enough at this point that we are not going to announce any of that kind of action until it is ready to go. i think the president has made it clear that additional action with respect to syria in terms of its failure to stop engaging in actions that harm its people will result in action. i am not going to get ahead of what he is planning to announce or when. but as he has made clear on a variety of circumstances, he is not one to telegraph's actions -- to telegraph his actions until he is ready. >> has the administration identified an opposition party that could come to power in syria if there is a regime change? mr. spicer: first and foremost, and i stated this yesterday and will state it again. our number one goal is to defeat isis. that is unequivocally the number one thing. the political conditions existing now are such

-russia relations? the u.s. secretary of state will be going to russia next week? >> definitely, a deterioration. we have seen a response from the russian military which is the end of the quarter nation of -- quarter nation -- coordination of american flights. i think the risks is rather going to be higher than anything else. i would like to note that the bombing or strike has been performed by cruise missiles instead of using various weapons . this obviously can be attributed to the risk level of using manned fighter-bombers from the u.s. navy carriers, i think has meant the u.s. rather wanted too use unmanned systems to precisely avoid such a risk of an incident with russia. i will recall the air defense army isver the syrian actually manned and actually furnisished by thehe russian military. usly: thank you for joining on the program. we do appreciate it. now, for more on reaction from turkey and we spoke to jasper a short time ago. they welcomed the u.s. airstrike. deputy prime minister norman thought nothas long only words of syria but wanted to see action aga

russia cannot escape responsibility. in fact, if russia had been fulfilling its responsibility, there wouldn't be any chemical weapons left for the syrian regime to use. there is one more thing we know. we know that if nothing is done, these attacks will continue. assad has no incentive to stop chemical weapons as long as rush -- russia continues to protect his regime from consequences. i implore my colleagues to look at their hard words in this council. we repeatedly repeat tired talking points that is regularly undermined by the assad regime. time and time again, russia uses the same false narrative to deflect attention from their allies in damascus. time and time again, without any factual basis, russia attempts to place blame on others. there's an obvious truth here that must be spoken. the truth is that assad, russia, and iran have no interest in peace. the illegitimate syrian government led by a man with no conscience has committed untold atrocities against his people for more than six years. assad has made it clea

anyone critical of russia. this is what happens there an abysmal human rights situation that becomes even worse. we have seen over the last number of years vladimir putin's critics mysteriously poised on, many occasions on multiple occasions thrown out of windows, murdered, all this just this year along and we're only in march. vladimir survived his second poisoning attempt. the government has implemented draconian laws. we watched this week predominantly young russians took to the streets to protest corruption within the putin government to make clear that the people of russia what they want is a transparent ghoofrmt respects their voice iz in shaping their future. what was the response of the putin government? they arrest and detained hundreds of people. this is only the latest incident that reminds us how critical it is that the united states stands with the russian people in their fight against a beautal, corrupt and repressives va jet stream. this behavior by the putin ra yeem is nothing new in the in twef

what russia did. why are we really met with russia on the left, what is this really about? >> i don't think it's left or right, i think it's country before party. you have many republicans who believe these things, lindsey graham, john mccain, richard ibarra. have direct or comey who aggressively went after hillary clinton in the investigation, i don't think this is a partisan issue so much as we need to get the bottom of it. >> tucker: the permanent establishment in washington, my question is why would that be good for the united states? you saw democrats say that it was deeply troubling that the trump administration alerted the russian military before striking syria, would have been better to kill some of them with air strikes? >> i think what you have there is people weren't assured that the administration was put in the united states interests first. that's why they might have made a statement like that. what you saw today, however, was a very resolute administration, one which is not going to tak

let me ask about russia. vladimir putin was not going to meet with the secretary of state but ended up meeting with him. how do you interpret that and was the message clear but they are complicit or incompetent inr controlling what assad is doing. >> i think what you saw happen today is an incredibly important and incredibly positive development. we know that this murderous regime has its sponsors. of the most important sponsors is moscow. right now i can tell you inside the kremlin they are making a very simple calculation. how much longer should we support assad in damascus, because it may reach a point where it is no longer in vladimir putin's interests to do so. i think that's why his government met with our representatives. >> sean: we seem to be seeing some being relationship with china, the president of china were supposed to meet one hour, it end up going five, five and half hours. we know the chinese communist newspaper the international paper actually said, there is a bottom line here as it relates

if we want russia's behavior to change, what do we give to russia? this is a quid pro quo discussion. i'm not certain. >> cillizzia, let's talk about that. what does this give with trump with leverage with china and north korea and russia? >> david makes a really important point. you are always governed as president by the guy who came before you. i think trump despite his comments that should not get involved in syria. he saw obama as weak and feckless on the world stage and did not back it up. some of this is clearly meant to say look world leaders, this is not the last president. if we say we're going to do it, we're going to do it. the other thing is health care, tax reform. building of the wall. appropriations process. all of those things took a back burner. may have dropped off the stove entirely. at least in the near term and possibly as the general makes the point. if there is more beyond this for the mid term and long term. this will now be the central focus of both congress and this white house. so this is always a thing. the presidency you

maybe not attributed to russia. but we have a problem at large right now with our information sources. >> senator rubio -- >> i think you hit the nail on the head. i don't really have a lot to add to it. we are faced a strategic attack. it's not a kinetic attack usually. it's a political attack. another question comes. what sort of strategic response are we going to be able to develop to that? we could elaborate on that. >> senator warner. >> again, thank all the witnesses for their testimony. doctor, i'm going to start with you. we have heard a lot recently about the role of the head of russia's largest aluminum company and the role he may have played in helping to support the goals of president putin. can you characterize the role in this area, and then more broadly, are there any of the oligarchs in russia, at least those not in exile, that aren't somehow caught up in the kremlin's foreign policy activities? or are there any truly independent? >> thank you, senator warner. i can't add anything to the conversation

something that putin has used inside russia, outside russia to great effect, that we didn't -- and i'll say this for myself -- i didn't fully understand how impactful that was. >> joining me now, secretary clinton's 2016 campaign manager, robbie booy mook. the weaponization of inrmation, the strongest language we have heard from her so far. >> i would say so. we need to learn our lesson right away and take action as quickly as we can. >> she talked about some other outside factors, from senator sanders to director comey. but she also said that there's some things that she could have done better, as well. take a listen. >> i basically started a $1 billion start you have and ran it for 18 months. and so there are things we certainly could have done better. things i could have done better. >> things we could have done better, things she could have done better. what are some of the things that "we could have done better?" >> we talked about this a lot, i talked about it. certainly we wish we had gotten resources to some of those states. >> wisconsin. >> wisconsin, michigan, other states. we

russia knows what's in russia's interests. we may not agree with it, but they have a port in the mediterranean in syria. they have air bases in syria. they srf a geo political view, as does iran, about what role they want syria to play in the power, the balance of power in the middle east. certainly nothing today indicated that tillerson and/or trump and/or the missile attack had changed russia's view of this position in the world, syria's position, in any way shape or form. >> melissa: no, but maybe in those details you just mentioned, there's a deal. if that is their interest, does that outweigh or is there some way to negotiate within that frame work i guess is what we'll see. some have suggested that. it's possible to maintain their interest but still you don't have assad in position there. it's somebody else. i don't know how hard that is to achieve. >> that is certainly one of the things that the white house has been talking about. the possibility that while the allowites, the sect that assad represents, that could remai

it's welcome. >> reporter: blunt talk from the new secretary of state about russia while in russia on his first official trip there. would have been note worthy for any merge diplomat but more so since president trump has been so con speak lously reluctant to criticize the russian dictator. during his campaign -- >> putin said great things about me. he said, trump is a genius. his candidates wanted me to disavow the statement. why would i disavow that statement? i agree with it. >> reporter: after after he became president. >> putin is a killer. >> a lot of killers. you think our country is so innocent? >> reporter: even today despite his administration's tough talk about russia's actions in syria, trump refused to condemn putin personally. >> putin is the leader of russia. russia is a strong country. we're a very, very strong country. we're going to see how that all works out. >> reporter: by way of comparison, this is how the senate's top republican sees putin. >> putin is a former kgb agent. he is a thug. >> reporter: veteran diplomats say president trump's reluctance to call are o

that's a great embarrassment to russia. >> was russia complicit in this syrian gas attack, the sarin gas attack against the civilians in one way or another? what's the latest information you're getting? >> well, from my standpoint, i'll give you my view of this, the man who ordered the attack was assad. and the one we're holding responsible for it is assad because he continues to do it. and i think for that reason the international community is sort of come to the conclusion, and this is why our secretary of state is there meeting with putin today in moscow, to try to reason with the russians and explain look, this -- the judgment of an individual who has killed 480,000 of his own people and driven 14 million people out of their homes, many of these dps are stretched across syria but many across the middle east and now in europe, someone with that inability to govern his country, someone with that streak of cruelty in him is not going to bring order out of the chaos that he's helped create. so i think at this point, that discussion, that political discussion has to happen in terms of

and russia? the answer to that, i would go to the racetrack and redeemer a lot of the money i lost over the years. but i would say way too close, way too possible. the other new cold war fronts are heating up. that is the north wall to carry a, the small baltic states and poland were nato is building up beyond reason. ukraine, where the american supported the government and give is melting down. but of course, it is syria. we have a lot of troops there. we don't know how many. they is probably more than have told us. american pharoah planes are flying. the battle for raqqa, which is the symbolic, real islamic state capitol in syria is coming up. both sides want to take it. the american coalition, the russian-serine-coalition. ideally, they cooperate. if they can be to take the city, you're going to have american and russian aircraft flying in a very close area. do we have 30 seconds for final word? jonathan was right about the russian unwillingness to abandon assad, but i believe and the rurussia

it's a huge embarrassment to russia. the administration should continue to put russia on the spot. and there's an opportunity here, an opportunity to leverage what the president did last night with diplomacy to get the russians to rein in assad, to stop the use of these weapons, to get the air force on the ground, and hopefully, to even get into some kind of negotiation that could lead to the end of the civil war. >> well, assad's been pretty clear on this interview he gave to a corrosiroatian newspaper b the strikes, "there is nothing but victory for us ahead." we can't stop at anything shorter, you know, the syrian state depends on it. so, that begs the question of what diplomacy can do at this point in time. >> that victory can't happen without russia backing him. >> i hear you -- >> or with iran backing. >> i hear you. you said in your op ed this morning on "the new york times," that putin is livid with assad, you believe. so, how does the u.s. exploit that? when tillerson goes to moscow tuesday, how does the u.s. exploit exploit that? >> i think you tell the russians, look, we

russia put their name on the line. at what point do they recognize that they are now getting on the wrong side of history in a really bad way will he quickly? look at the country's standing with them. iran, syria, north korea. this is not 18 you want to be on. team you want to be on. the lines that have been crossed are those that no country should ever want to see another country cross. >> [indiscernible] the quote that hitler's did not think to the level of using chemical weapons. what to do mean by that? thehat he was not using chemical gas on his own people the same way. i appreciate that. he brought them -- into the holocaust center, i appreciate that. did,he same way that assad where he brought them into the middle of town. i appreciate the clarification. >> following the briefing, the white house put out a statement from sean spicer. "in no way was i trying to lessen the holocaust. was trying to explain the tactic of using airplanes to drop chemical weapons on population centers. any attack on innocent people is

. >> but he isn't beating up on russia. should he be beating up on russia? again, how does -- >> i am. >> so he doesn't need to? >> he's got a lot of things he's doing. he's not stopping me from beating up on russia. he's not stopping me from talking about the pressure china needs to be putting on north korea. he's not stopping me with how we're working together to defeat isis. right now, general mattis and i are working on stability. the president has not disagreed with one thing i've said. that means he supports everything i'm saying. i'm going along with everything i know this administration believes in. >> you take over the rotating presidency of the u.n. security council this month. let me read some things you say you want. you say you want to emphasize the role of human rights. you intend to challenge members not just to talk the talk but walk the walk. russia is going to be at that table having supported syria's president assad in killing syrian civilians which you have called war crimes. putin has jailed and killed dissidents in his own country. you

it is unclear whether russia failed to take this obligation seriously want russia has been incompetence. this distinction does not much matter to the dead. we cannot let this happen again. our military action was a direct response to the assad regime barbarism. the united states priority in syria and iraq remains with the defeat of isis. g7are calling on our partners to sustain the fight against isis well after the liberation of most. , syria, on the ground in other countries, we must eliminate isis. support will be critical. to stabilize syria will need the direct precipitation -- participation to settle the conflict in syria and the civilian population. normalcy for a unified syria. i am happy to take a question or two. >> obviously over the last day or so -- conflict he must out of the administration. growing pains? can you settle some of those conflicts? do we want bashar al-assad out now or later? -- chemical weapons pressure -- strike undertaken was in direct response to the use of chemical weapons. as i indicated we do believe it is in the national interest because it is a threat

russia in a corner. secretary tillerson saying clearly russia has to make a choice. its current position means it is supporting iran, assad, hezbollah, and it needs to come across the table, if you will, and support the international community in getting a cease-fire and bringing a political transition in syria. tillerson saying that you believe now, russia has been falling short on its obligations. >> it is also clear russia has failed to uphold the agreements that have been entered into under multiple u.n. security council resolutions. it is unclear whether russia failed to take this obligation seriously or russia has been incompetent but this distinction doesn't much matter to the dead. >> the bigger picture right now if you look at this collectively is that the trump administration is caught up with the obama position on assad, transition to get him out of power. they have now the added heft they are willing to use military strikes and it's all in tillerson's hands as he heads to moscow. alisyn. >> t

i want reaction from the air strikes in russia. first of all, as you know, vladimir putin and rouhani who have spoken about the strikes and agree they are unacceptable. are you concerned, sir, a military realignment could be in the works here? >> i think it's already happened, alex. we have seen russia, which was with us on creating sanctions against iran to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon steadily moving toward iran over the last two to three years. why? because pragmatically they want support. they, russia, want support for assad, who is their client and, frankly, their creature. so there's a confluence of interest between the two. that's dangerous, not only for the long-term future of syria, but for our allies a friends in the region, israel, the gulf states, saudi arabia. so i don't like this tehran, moscow access. unfortunately, you're going to see more along it. >> admiral, how about the widespread praise from other world leaders, as well as u.s. politicians, from the president with his decision to launch the air s

russia, to fight corruption in russia is very difficult. it is the same with china, by the way. lots of chinese money is coming into western banks. nobody asks the question, nobody says anything. as regard to the protests themselves, i must say, they were not massive. i am not trying to demean them. 1000 plus people on the streets of moscow? by russian standards, that was not something like we had in 2012. that was not massive. as for mr navalny. he makes marine le pen look like a schoolgirl with some of his statements. russia is only for russians, no immigrants, that sort of stuff. you have to be careful. as to my question, more of a crackdown if these protests continue? i do not really see large protest continuing. navalny does not have the support in the country. still, putin has vast support, 80% plus. another thing which people here do not understand is that the more the west puts pressure on putin, the more popular he is in russia. all these sanctions, the constant reminders that russia is going to invade or attack, or interfere, like