thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, mr. evanina for being here. would you ever use a zte phone. >>. >> i would not. >> would you recommend anyone in any sort of position that's sensitive whether in commerce or government or contracting use that phone. >> into no, i would not. >> so it's not exaggeration to -- there's a notion by some this is hysteria, not just unique to zte but it is a fact, is it not, that china utilizes its telecommunications companies for purposes of espionage even though the leadership may not be open to it, they don't have a chaos but to be cooperative. >> we've been on the record of that fact. >> there's an additional national security factor at play and that is that china made in china 2025 is an endeavor by the chinese government to dominate the top fields of the 21st superintendent, many of them in telecommunications, aerospace, biomedicine, et cetera. if they achieve that because they're more competitive tin because they have better ideas because they're out innovate us that's one thing. that's not how that he pursuing i
