the fbi agents. they were trying to deal with what had just occurred and trying to investigate what just happened. in trying to bring to justice anyone who may have been associated with that. obviously we all have a reaction but that was an immediate change for me as far as what i wanted to do. career wise. i oriented, especially everything about my college career, towards the fbi, the fbi has college intern program that they've pitched all of the student year. in a junior college, they have people come here to the uber building and you know able to experience the fbi. each division at the time got to send an intern and i was fortunate enough and honored enough to be picked. i came and spent the summer with the abi. i immediately fell in love with it. i was fortunate to come back after graduating that's how it all started. >> c1 20 cohen became a special agent in what year. >> i started in the bureau than on agent role working with more as you mentioned and then in 2008, went to the academy for this

by doing so, you violated both the fbi's rules and policies as well as the terms of your fbi employment agreement. after being fired rightfully fired as director by president trump you took 7 memos you had no right to remove from the fbi, that you never told anyone about, and you placed them in your safe. this is contrary to the rules of the esteemed fbi, more esteemed since you left. when you left, you were required to surrender all materials in your potential that contained fbi information. you did not. you sent some to your pal richmond to get to the "new york times" without seeking the necessary fbi authorization under the claim that they were simply your personal memos. the inspector general report makes it very clear that merely labeling a document personal or private does not alter its official nature. you base some of those memos to your attorney. the report conclude you improperly disclosed that information and you were not authorized to do that. you simply decided to take matters into your own hands. your lack of candor and inability to be straightforward and return those reco

by doing so, you violated both the fbi's rules and policies as well as the terms of your fbi employment agreement. after being fired rightfully fired as director by president trump you took 7 memos you had no right to remove from the fbi, that you never told anyone about, and you placed them in your safe. this is contrary to the rules of the esteemed fbi, more esteemed since you left. when you left, you were required to surrender all materials in your potential that contained fbi information. you did not. you sent some to your pal richmond to get to the "new york times" without seeking the necessary fbi authorization under the claim that they were simply your personal memos. the inspector general report makes it very clear that merely labeling a document personal or private does not alter its official nature. you base some of those memos to your attorney. the report conclude you improperly disclosed that information and you were not authorized to do that. you simply decided to take matters into your own hands. your lack of candor and inability to be straightforward and return those reco

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and so, when hoover died, he appointed an outsider to the fbi , and the fbi essentially rebelled against this outsider, this person that they saw as a political operative, the man who when hoover died, the number three man at the fbi, quickly thought that he should become the fbi director, mark phelps, really went after nixon, famously started leaking at all to bring down the nixon presidency, so there is a way in which watergate was a product of a kind of rebellion of the bureaucracy, a conspiracy working in cahoots with the washington post, you know, just as nixon might have feared that they would. i can i think that this is a story we ought to take seriously. >> i thought of the deep throat deep state sort of analogy as i was writing this piece so i'm glad you mentioned it, beverly. i don't think that that language around deep throat, deep source and whatnot, should be overlooked. and, i agree, that is part of the point i am making in my paper, that trump clearly takes this notion seriously, as did nixon, and that is part of the reason why i think people who wish to understand politic

told and senator coons told the head of the fbi directly please talk to him, and the fbi as we know had a list of dozens of people between debra ramirez and this matt stier who they did not speak to or christine blasey ford. why did they not speak to christine blasey ford or kavanaugh? that must be the first investigation the fbi never talked to the accuser or the accused. >> tucker: i can't answer that. i think in the case of christine blasey ford, she didn't want to talk to them. she was clearly -- >> that wasn't a choice of hers. >> tucker: i agree with you. i am certainly not here to defend the fbi on many levels.

even the top lawyer at the fbi. all these senior people involved in the initial investigation, right? all these people involved in investigating what russia did to try into stall trump in the white house, all these people who were involved in that investigation or who crucially might have been witnesses between what happened between trump and comey, all of them have since seen themselves and their careers systematically targeted by president and the trump administration and their helpers in conservative media. but with andrew mccabe they're now going an extra mile. they are demanding not just the destruction of his career and his reputation but they are now demanding his criminal prosecution. and the proximate charge is related to an internal investigation at the justice department into who at the fbi leaked information to the "wall street journal" confirming that there was an fbi investigation before the election into potential wrongdoing at the clinton foundation. now, i know, why would a possessed anti-trump part

you lied to the fbi and they get a medal and an immunity. no grand jury to speak of. make all kinds of arrangements in the investigation they showed up at 6:00 in the morning or before if they needed to break into your house they broke into your house but they grabbed the evidence they wanted. if the person said no, they would make a deal to get the evidence did not look at it. it's a situation they bent over backwards not to make the case when they actually had real criminal of. and after two years they still were not able to do that. so, my idea was to try to prepare these two investigations into just pose that question whether you are a liberal or conservative, democrat or republican can you honestly look at these investigations ca can e either wayseeby the way, these s which were conducted by the same agents. i think over time i got away from it and the reason, i didn't get completely away from it but it turned out to be the hardest thing for the writer about something like this is to try to write something about a story that isn't over

the general counsel of the fbi top to resign. the top level like that. your book, you have a brand-new book coming out exonerated the takedown of president donald trump by the swamp. you have to ask yourself, how did they not take this man down given they used every instrument of the federal government and the press and congress, this one man, this outsider who would not be taken down and he did everything they can and they still are doing everything they can to take them down. how do you explain that part that's why wrote the follow-up to my first book. he didn't have to read it like a narrative. you can jump to chapter six. then in chapter two, wherever he wanted to start. i did this to deliberately. i didn't tell the whole story in a narrative format that you just laid out in a minute and half. i laid out very simply. i call this a spy story. i tell you events in a narrative format that you can read from start to finish and i break it down, here was a must plan a, plan b and plan c. you just spoke about it. they tried unmasking. basically wiretapping.

that this was not an fbi investigation. this was a whitewash designed by chuck grassley and mitch mcconnell to get brett kavanaugh confirmed quickly. the fbi was given a completely impossible assignment of doing a thorough investigation in a ridiculously short period of time, which they did not do, because they couldn't do. and what we're seeing now is that there was a lot more they could have done. could they have proved, for sure, that brett kavanaugh had lied about his relationships in high school and college? i don't know. but this was a fake investigation designed to get brett kavanaugh confirmed. that's what it didp. but the truth about the allegations is certainly unknown. >> so what's going to be the impact, if any? because you see these democratic presidential candidates now saying he should be impeached. >> zero. nothing. brett kavanaugh is going to be on the supreme court for the next 30 years. that's what this is going to be. you know, mitch mcconnell, you know, phil was talking about the long ball. mitch mcconn

as far as the reputation of the fbi, it's taken a hit. when your reputation takes a hit, it takes a while to rebuild it. i agree with what attorney general barr has said about this which is from what he's been able to detect so far it seems if there was a failure here, it was at the managerial ranks of the bureau and the justice department, not the rank-and-file where most of the work of most investigations is done. i'm also sensitive to something i thought profound that victor davis hanson wrote. i want to say about two months ago which is that a lot of the worst of what we've seen in the conduct of some of the fbi agents, i think victor was talking in particular about peter strzok and andrew mckay. henoted they came up through the ranks . and he deduces from that that there may be something that's and then at an agency that went finally rises to the managerial level, it's problematic. my experience in government is when you bring the people in, that has an electric effect through an agency. and when you bring, when you have people who a

sense that some people blame the fbi but the fbi was following orders and one way that we found that illustrated degree to which their hands were tied was that the two agents in boulder colorado who'd interviewed deborah ramirez after hearing her whole story said we find you credible. sort of, it will do more if we are permitted to do more but at this point we can only go as far as we been told to go. in one of her attorneys said they almost seemed a little apologetic like. >> so you've talked to a lot of people who said they want to talk to the fbi but weren't able to. but you haven't come up with 15 new allegations. should we conclude that the fbi investigation was adequate in the end? >> that's a good question. i think what we were able to do by doing some journalistic interviews with these people was established much more of a picture and try to understand what you see these two images of brett kavanaugh and how he possibly rectify those. also to come up with a little more detail on this new allegation that we talked about. one other interesting thing that came up in the fbi inve

>> no p. >> the report found comey kept fbi records at his home in a personal safe, the report says that memo two days ultimately determined to can i classified information at lowest level comey used personal, private e-mail accountability to revive personal copes of a maemz 2, 4, 6, 7 to one person attorney three days later that attorney provided by personal e-mail account copies of four memos to other attorneys report makes that comey cod line with action on twitter comey claims vindication they found no classified information shared with media this is second time who are wots found comey went beyond authority of fbi director the first clinton automate investigation one found the prior behavior should always be considered in decision to process acute justice department declined, comey remains a congressional player in pending investigations into the alleged abuse during 2015 election. >> kathericatherine gerridgkath- >> in weather chamber of horrors putting millions of american lives in general. favoring open borders illegal immigration, immigration policy of corporate america is strai

and sonia, assistant deputy director for cy brad fbi. this should be a great discussion. tonya, let me start with you and ask you to just described, uganda, the fbi's role in cyberspace and the threat environment, particularly-think it has changed over the past year. >> sure, thank you, david a thank you to insa for hosting us today. so as we have the fbi at the threat environment from a macro level, it's not necessarily the best news story in the world but it is certainly complex. we are looking at an environment where there's no shortage of vulnerabilities and opportunities for malicious actors to exploit those vulnerabilities. and we see that landscape only growing in complexity as we consider the number of devices that are going to become connected in the billions over the next few years, many of which don't have security built in. we live in a world where we see nation state actors conduct wholesale theft of personally identifiable information. so targeting not just our government networks but our citizens as well as healthcare information and intellectual property a

>> i couldn't comment on fbi policy. we have other tools on criminal matters like title 3 for wire surveillance that we can use. oftentimes in domestic terrorism cases we look for the act of violence already a violation of federal law and something about social or hate. >> thank you. >> the time of the gentle lady has expired. the gentleman from texas. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you all for being here and thank you for your work trying to keep america safe. did the doj, fbi or nsa during the obama administration consider the russian ambassador to be a terrorist or an agent of a terrorist organization? >> i couldn't comment on that. i don't know. >> i can't comment on anything outside the scope of -- >> miss morgan? >> sir, i don't have that information. >> wow! wow! that's amazing because it puts us in the position having heard that jeff sessions was being surveilled when he met as a senator with an ambassador. there are reports that we've had the israeli ambassador under surveillance, people that he met with. i d

some people blame the fbi but the fbi was sort of following orders. and one kind of way that we sort of found that illustrated that their hands were tied that the two agents in boulder colorado who interviewed deborah ramirez find you credible. sort of wish we could do more if we are all kind of permitted to do more but at this.we can only go with as far as we can go. and that one of her attorney said they almost need a little apologetic. soon if you have talked to essentially a lot of people who said they want to talk to the fbi. but they were able to. but you haven't come out with 15 new allegations. so should we conclude that the fbi investigation was adequate in the end. or the fbi report was adequate in the end. >> that's a good question. [laughter], journalist. >> i think that we were able to do was establish much more of a picture and try to understand why you see these two images of bright cabin on how you possibly rectify those. and also to come up with a little more detail on this new allegation that we talked about. one other interesting th

that's according to the fbi. joining me now, retired fbi supervise supervisory special agent james gagliano. this one is just weird, don't you think? it's just odd. >> i think there were a lot of people that were unhappy with the lack of information that came out of the press conference, and i thought it might be more attributable, don, to police are working this one carefully. they have a 20-mile crime scene. this he have to deal with internal ballistics, external ballistics. >> i'm not talking about the press conference. i'm talking about you're stopped for a routine traffic stop, and then all of a sudden -- you know what i mean? usually we talk about the shooter's background and he had the manifesto, and whatever. >> the fbi looks at this always from the pre-incident or the pre-attack. >> can we talk about that? >> sure. >> because according to police, the shooter called the fbi national tip line shortly before the shooting began. he also made multiple calls to law enforcement the day of the shooting. what do

so we gave that e-mail to the fbi. the first e-mail that came across was from that address to a yahoo account. and then there were three e-mails from njbazaz@yahoo.com saying get in touch with me right away. i need the formula, the marriage is ready for flower and oil. the term marriage is a term that we all know and understand to mean attack. the other problem is that these e-mails are occurring just days before the anniversary of 9/11. everybody is concerned that we had a major problem on our hands. >> the fbi takes that e-mail and goes to the internet service provider to find out who is this person? what's his name? gets the information back that says this is his name and the phone number is his. and we were able to identify an address through the carrier to an apartment in aurora, colorado. once he was identified through the e-mails, we were trying to scramble to figure out everything that we could possibly find out about him. we had our joint terrorism task force working together as a team. the joint terrorism tas

fbi never bothered. all of this is prompting a revisitation of the kavanaugh confirmation debacle which happened roughly this time last year. it's resulting in new calls that kavanaugh should, perhaps, be impeached from the high court. for among other things lying under oath during his confirmation process including about some of these sexual assault allegations. one of the prominent democrats who's now making that call that kavanaugh should be impeached for lying under oath is california senator and democratic presidential candidate kamala harris. and she joins us next. saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong. you wanna see something thatamazing?ing. go to hilton instead of a travel site and you'll experience a whole new range of emotions like... the relaxing feeling of knowing you're getting the best price. these'll work. the utter delight of free wi-fi... . oh man this is the best part. isn't that you? yeah. and

catherine: the fbi has not responded to this may 8 letter asking questions about fbi senior executives, their communications and their actions at the trump tower briefing on the dossier. the letter asks when the media learned that the fbi had the dossier. james clapper and james comey. the letter highlights an email exchange among senior fbi leadership from andrew mccabe. indicating that cnn would soon go forward with a sense of his story, that seems to be a reference to the dossier. the inspector general's report indicated how the fbi director and his top deputies went to great lengths to confront trump on the information contained in the dossier and share the president-elect's reactions with the investigators. senator graham pushed the attorney general top declassify the information. >> i want as much out as possible. i think the attorney general shares that view. we want transparency. the goal is to understand what happened and make sure it never happens again. catherine: senator graham is asking the attorney general to declassify underlying records to provide the most of complete p

the fbi notes that suggestions that right-wing fbi and cia acts had huge reason to murder marilyn monroe. >> the bureau actually end up commenting that in another context mailer said i don't have any evidence about this. >> the fbi with reports that mailer coined a new word. factoid. >> norman mailer uses a common rhetorical device where he goes through a long explanation and detail which plants in the mind of the reader that this is exactly what happened. then at the very end he discounts it. but that's not what the reader remembers. what the reader remembers is all the detail. he's speculating on the whole matter. the fbi said we are going to ignore this. >> under intense scrutiny his story began to change. >> i think there is a motive to be murdered. it's not based oafned. it's my opinion. >> but the backtracking did little to quell the storm he helped perpetuate. >> you have to think about the culture at the time. you have watergate and a lot of distrust in the government. these types of stories could have been plausible. >> marilyn is no different than the assassination of bobby ken

, but the fbi did not investigate and mr. stier has declined to discuss it publicly. we have corroborated with two officials who have communicated with mr. stier. nbc news has confirmed that members of the judiciary committee were aware of max stier's allegations at the time of the confirmation process. the new book makes one more important point about that story. the book gives the name of the woman involved in that story and then specifies that she, quote, has also refused to discuss the incident though several of her friends said she does not recall it. "the times" later on sunday added that line to the end of the paragraph about max stier's accusation. that line in "the times" now reads, the female student declined to be interviewed and friends say she does not recall the episode. leading off our discussion tonight, are robin pogrebin and kate kelly who writes about wall street for "the new york times." they are the authors of the new book, "the education of brett kavanaugh: an investigation," which will be out tomorrow.

that leaks confirm the fbi investigating the clinton foundation. mccabe who works with cnn file a wrongful defamation suit against the fbi and justice department. >> mccabe's team is pressuring the doj to drop the case against him while the attorney general is reviewing the doj watchdog report on alleged fisa abuses. let's bring in bradley mohsen former assistant attorney general john you. great to have you. already the senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham is talking about next steps. >> the senate judiciary committee will call mister horwitz and he will testify under oath about his report and we are going to pursue this in a transparent fashion, declassify as much as we can including the fisa warrant applications. >> what are your expectations? >> finally seeing accountability come home. it's not the end, it is just the beginning of the end because not only will you see this report, where we will finally see the truth of how did this fisa warrant get approved, what information did the fbi give to the course, did really rely on the steel dossie

should that be the fbi? should bit the house where the democrats are in control if the senate is not going to approve it? >> if i were to do this in logical order, the first thing i would do is have the house judiciary committee investigate the fbi investigation and find out what they did. you could take the fbi investigation and compare to it a real fbi investigation, and you'd be able to see multiple discrepancies between the way the fbi ordinary -- ordinarily investigates when they're doing a legitimate criminal investigation and this thing they did at the white house's behest. and if i were looking at that, the first thing i'd look at is the so-called tip line. people were coming to us, you know, on the judiciary committee saying i've got evidence. i've got a friend who has evidence. i have a client who has evidence. where do we take to it the fbi? and so when we asked the fbi where should this evidence come to, they kept saying not me, not, this no, not here. >> so you're not yet backing impeachment of

as soon as they announced they were going to reopen the fbi investigation and that the fbi investigation was time limited to a very few number of days, that was a very clear expression to everyone in the senate, this is going to be an extremely limited investigation. there was not announcement they could have made, which is we're delaying the hearing until the fbi investigation is completed, which would be the normal process for a committee but once they time limited it, what i'm discovering in your book though shocking, is not really surprising to me. the fbi didn't investigate all sorts of obvious people and question people they should have questioned. >> right. part of the consensus that was -- the compromise that was struck between senator flake at the time, senator kunz, and also with the support of moderate republicans, was that it would be time limited, it would be focused. the four of them actually did the walk together about how many witnesses and ideas of which witnesses perhaps ought to be talked to. one person we talked to for the book said that number might be as high as 50.

he faced criminal charges for his conduct at the fbi. the least of this developing story we turn now to our chief correspondence intelligence, catherine. >> thank you, tucker, knaus anthony mccabe is close to prosecution the justice department rejected his last appeal. they met with the deputy attorney general to argue against idle charges for leading investigators over his role in the immediate league the foundation. fox news learned that jesse, recommended moving forward with charges. based on the findings of a 2018 inspector general reports. you mentioned the cnn contributor was fired over the findings within days of his retirement. the justice department watched him "lacks candor and at least four separate occasions." his role in the media leaks, the confirmed the fbi was investigating the foundation a week before the 2016 presidential election. they also found that he violated fbi policy because of the disclosure was not in the public's interest. rather it was the designed to benefit mccabe and push back against criticism. he was co

this isn't an endorsement of the fbi actions. i'm critical of the bureau and comey and others at certain times. to give the picture for the meernl of what was reality and the spin. >> half the proceeds to who? >> one thing i really want to do with the book is use it as a vehicle to help a cause that i think is really important. to this day we passed the 18th anniversary of 9/11. there are fbi agents dies from illnesses that are manifesting from the time they spent at ground zero. digging through the rubble. i learned about the course of writing the book there's a fund the agents association manages that takes care of the family members of fallen agents. and sends children to college. and what i try to do with the book is use that for good. this is not controversial. all the topics we talked about are controversial. this is not controversial supporting the people. half the proceed go to that fund. i hope people research the fund. the illnesses will continue. people paying the ultimate sacrifice. who went into harms way for us. >>

fbi agents, the report will not come from the fbi. lou: by the way, the truth is an injunctive reality, most would agree the perception of the truth might be buried but that's another matter. the idea is we have a nation right now that is disgusted with the fbi, the leadership -- >> i agree. lou: we have a governmental issue, we have a crisis of confidence in the number one law enforcement agencies in this country. in their behavior has a game. have you been involved in deciding a culpability. >> it is a scandal. lou: what is the point of having a new attorney general if they behave when the arrogant condescending consistent that they do it their way rather than the american way. i am known this attorney general for a long time and i'm enormous amount of faith in his integrity, he was the right person at the right time for the right job. >> if the democrats don't like them, okay, he's trying to get to them on mom this but he needs credibility and getting a quick report on that will seem partisan to some will not give the cut ability,

former fbi special agent author of "crossfire: hurricane inside donald trump's war on the fbi," josh campbell joining us. okay, so the investigation into the ukrainian energy company was conducted and closed. and trump still urged the ukrainian president allegedly to find something on biden. is that in and of itself illegal? >> the question comes down to was this the president trying to get information from a foreign government or getting a foreign government to help with the election. you have to step back and look at this. this isn't any ordinary citizen. this is his potential political opponent, someone who might be on the ticket running against him, and if he is getting a thing of value, quote/unquote, which would include dirt from a foreign government, that is illegal. the problem sheer -- and this isn't going to comfort anyone, but looking at the mueller investigation, the just currently holds that you cannot indictsta a sitting president. even if it's a crime under the law it's not going to impact this president. that means it's squarely within the bounds of congress to determ

of the fbi for lying to both the inspector general's investigators as well as the fbi investigators, not once, not twice, but three times under oath. he lied to make himself look better. but he was even given the opportunity to recant his statements. something three-star general michael flynn was not. andrew mccabe knew full well he was the target of the inspector general and the fbi. thus he was on his guard. something michael flynn was not. >> something i probably wouldn't have done or probably not gone the away with in a more organized investigation -- more organized a-mile-an-hour straition, the george w. bush pore obama administration. in both those administration there was process. if the fbi wanted to send agents into the white house itself to interview a senior official you would work through the white house counsel and there would be discussions and approvals. and i thought it's early enough, let's just send a couple guys over. judge jeanine: cardinal comey, you are so proud of yourself. are you proud that you violated white house protocol as well as flynn's constitutional r

the suspect charged after allegedly discussing plans to bomb a tv news network the fbi saying he also made mention of a presidential candidate to an undercover agent. what we're learning now. >>> also breaking, president trump at the u.n. and his new denial he says he did not use u.s. aid to pressure ukraine to investigate the son of rival joe biden. and what the president is saying tonight about the mounting calls among democrats for impeachment. the trial now underway, the former police officer accused of shooting and killing an unarmed man in his own home. she says she makes up his apartment with hers. what prosecutors in court said she did in the moments before firing the fatal shot. >>> the growing outrage, two 6-year-old children a a a arrested at school one girl handcuffed, put in the back of a police car and a fingerprinted. late word tonight a about the officer's fate on the force. >>> nightmare at the airport, 150,000 vacationers stranded all over the world after a travel giant goes bust. >> what the heck is going on, and when can i get my money back >> the major effort to b

and that was not only the case for the fbi. but multiply that really in different ways across the government, including focus on functional issues like sidebarer and then regional adversaries li -- like cyber and then regional adversaries. what everyone is looking at and marry that up with what insight the private sector has. i think the great growth since 2016 has been in building those structures and communication networks and capabilities where we are now having that conversation all the time lest you think we are just responding to the last thing that happened, i won't go into detail, but it is more expansive than just look at the nature of activity of what happened in 2016. so there is also a level of imagination injected there, too, and analysis of how we think thing might be different in 2020. >> jeannette, let me give you a specific example of that, as we all over the summer heard this because it has been the summer of ransom ware for a number of cities and towns and school districts and all of that. a lot of your colle

this and he told and senator coons told the head of the fbi directly please talk to him and the fbi as we know had a list of dozens of people between debra ramirez and this matt stier who they did not speak to or christine blasey ford. why did they not speak to christine blasey ford or kavanaugh? that must be the first investigation the fbi never talked to the accuser or the accused. >> tucker: i can't answer that i think in the case of christine blasey ford she didn't want to talk to them. she was clearly -- >> -- that wasn't a choice of hers. >> tucker: i agree with you. i am certainly not here to defend the fbi on many levels. my point is that the newspaper itself has con creeconceded in a note amended to the piece that the piece is a crock. the newspaper tells us that she can't remember. so, like. >> the newspaper friends of a, quote, friends of hers who were unnamed. she hasn't talked. we don't know what she said. >> tucker: the newspaper is telling us as far as they know she doesn't think she was a victim. so, on the basis of that shouldn't beto o'rourke and the rest of these