general hayden said the intel community like law enforcement officers, like people in journalism, like academia, the one thing they have in common that donald trump is attacking is they are fact-based. they don't always get the facts right but they are driven by facts and that is something that obviously doesn't play in donald trump's benefit so he has to attack. do you agree with general hayden's assessment? >> i do. we ran into this almost immediately on january 6 of 2017 when we went up to trump tower to brief then president-elect and his team on the intelligence community assessment and right a away and i think the president has been consistent that anything that casts doubt on the legitimacy of his election he has problems with. so that was the bad news, the truth to power we were serving up to him and that's been an issu issue. we have alternative facts and relative truth and that's anathema to anyone in the information business. >> one thing you used to do in your previous incarnation is you used to go up every january and february and give the threat briefing and line up the major threa

law enforcement, academia we could go down the list, science. as general hayden said, all of the fact-based institution this is country has built its foundation on over the past several centuries. and i wonder if you do have to be a psychiatrist to figure out that that's donald trumps intent. >> i don't know if you have to be a psychiatrist or just a political analyst. he is going for the jugular. he's fighting as hard as he can to save himself and his presidency and he's attacking targets that let's be honest the public has had some suspicion for. the idea that there's a cabal of elitists in washington, that's something americans have felt for a couple centuries, this suspicion toward washington and central pow er. it's the cynical way that it's being exploited that i find disturbing. we depend on these agencies for our security as a country and bashing them everyday the way the president does causes harm. and to bash the news media -- it was only a decade or so that the arrival of cnn to cover a demonstration or protest in eastern europe and g