concur over the last two years we've made a lot of progress in promulgating such advice to not only academia with respect to the threats to other nations dates who are producers in the proprietary data we will continue to do that and work with associations and i would concur with your point the private sector leadership of the ceo level needs to be more active in the obtaining security clearances so that it can get done in a more effective and efficient manner. >> i want to pick up on the vice chair man's point with respect to zte specifically come and thank you for the visit we had in our office i thought it was helpful. in 2012, the houston solutions committee issued a nonclassified bipartisan report on national security issues posed by the chinese telecom companies, and one of them was zte. the report concluded the risks associated with zte provision of equipment to the u.s. critical infrastructure could undermine american national security interests. do you agree with that report? >> i do. >> now they recommended that the united states should be viewed with suspicion by continued penetra

our country that have specific expertise and cutting-edge technology that have prominent positions in academia and then they recruit them for projects on china or the chinese government and often times we don't have an understanding of what that program was or whether there was a quid pro quo. >> if they have a robust engineering program we have a lot of international researchers coming in and working in partnership with the university. we have the researcher engineer from china working on some stuff and he goes back to china maybe someone from maryland follows him back. i don't know. what the university be in jeopardy that they wouldn't be able to see the future federally funded research dollars? >> if that individual applied for the grant, the educational grant, they would have to certify whether or not they have participatehadparticipated in ae program in the past and from there they can decide. is that person to us-based researcher working with the chinese researcher? >> it's a us-based person as a part of their program. >> not to pummel a dead horse here but that is a problem the certific

said, i would issue one caution, and i do think that we've become a little bit more closed-minded in academia than in the past and that's probably not the students. students are always think they have the truth. look at the three of us, we're all bald, which means we went to school during the vietnam war times and there was no -- you're a little younger, ben, sorry. but -- >> don't get him mad. >> class of '68. >> no more tumultuous time than. that while we thought we knew earth, people pushed back and that was true among the faculty and media and intelligentsia, and i think right now the one thing i would say we have to worry about is those other three groups are not pushing back perhaps as hard as they should. >> thank you. mr. secretary, and then mr. chairman. >> well, i think the -- if we're optimistic, it's got to come from the young people, because all the issues we talk about today were about whether it's the national debt or the political system or some of the issues we didn't talk about, like climate exchange environmentalists. these are generational equity, and the thing that concer

one of most important concepts in academia and i actually think it's a brilliant and important point. no the person who coined the term and it simply refers to the fact that people can be outsiders are minorities. you can be a hispanic woman with a different experience than maybe a caucasian woman, a asian man may have a very different experience than a straight asian female so and its inception what has happened and i try to explain this is that it's been used and exploited and spun out like everything else on social media and cable news. to me something that really never was intended. now it means exponential identity politics. so it's a bigger question but i will say i think the core insight is incredibly valuable. like everything else this is the problem with tribalism. it starts off as this is something and it becomes an instant tribal symbol. all lives matter. what could be wrong with that? that now stands for something to so with almost impossible to have a discussion because it's almost like you signal which tribe you're in by having to respond to something. >> in your book yo