we had a long meeting in bucharest, romania, at the end of the day we decided not to give a plan to georgia and ukraine but made it clear they'll be in nato. it will take some diplomacy. my guess is we'll come up with a series of measures we can take. but there are other things we can take besides -- >> hold on. carl, based on what you heard from your german sources, is germany going to stay away from what the president might like to see, a unified european nato sanctions effort against the russians. >> reporter: there seems to be little question they won't go along with syria sanctions that have real bite. at the same time the germans want a unanimous position of nato, of the allies because the germens think that what putin has done here is terrible. also there's a personal aspect of this that angela merkel despises putin even though they talk a lot and they talk in russian and they talk in german, putin was the head of the kgb in dresden under the old soviet union. he has done things to angela merkel in terms of their dialogue that she just hates. and she feels taken advantage of, her cou