dave. go, dr. dave. >> down here in florida. >> go ahead. everybody listen to me really quickly. i'm going to be traffic cop here. dr. katz, you go first and then we'll have dr. dave respond. what are you expecting, dr. katz? >> again, i think we're in the very early innings down here in south florida. we've taken some measures down here, the governor has put some things in place in south florida that, as you mentioned, he's not done in the rest of the state. but i think we have a long way to go. i think we're in the very early innings and we're seeing the beginning of what we have to come. >> and do you think it's going to look anything like new york, dr. katz? >> you know, that's a good question. i can tell you that i trained in new york city. i trained in the south bronx, and there are some things in new york city that don't exist down here, population density, mass transit system that very easily spreads virus. you know, the weather is different down here. i think it's very hard to predict what we're going to see down here and try to extrapolate with what's going on in new yo

want to bring in state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg. you've been looking into this. this is just a mess. first of all, it appears to be a danger, to have these people lining up. >> yeah. very true, mika. you know, the governor was criticized during spring break for keeping the beaches open. he was likened to the mayor in the movie "jaws" for refusing to close the beaches. this is the latest florida debacle. you have an unemployment system that is the worst in the country, that has the most meager benefits, that continually crashes when people try to apply. people wake up in the middle of the night to apply, and it'll still crash. what's why you have lines of people. they're told to snail mail things in to tallahassee, in the year 2020 in a pandemic. the governor is saying that the real problem is the legislature created the system, and the previous governor did, as as well, but make no mistake, this system was designed to fail. it was designed to lower the number of benefits and lower the number of applicants so florida could brag about

great idea, dave. start in doctor's offices so people can get their hip replacement or people can get treated if they're in pain physically or mentally. >> how about having babies? right now, today, across the country, people are afraid to go to the hospital because they know that hospitals are where people go that have covid-19. gottli if we have surgery centers in doctor's offices that are, quote, clean, without covid patients there, without covid positive health care providers there, and we can know that as we ramp up the antibody testing and as we ramp up the viral antigen testing. it really does all hinge on that. there is the important need for physical distancing. we can never forget that. we have to know that health care is, after all, a local phenomen phenomenon. just like parenting is a local family-based phenomenon. so we have to support the local doctors, offices, nurse-practitioners, urgent care centers. that is where a lot of health care will be provided. hospitals are, for a while, going

dave campbell joining us. he is taking a look at what's going on in nursing homes across the country. >>> also ahead, the pre-existing condition in the oval office. how the trump administration's war on science made the nation vulnerable to this public health crisis. ♪ more than ever, your home is your sanctuary. that's why lincoln offers you the ability to purchase a new vehicle remotely with participating dealers. an effortless transaction- all without leaving the comfort- and safety of your home. that's the power of sanctuary. and for a little extra help, receive 0% apr financing and defer your first payment up to 120 days on the purchase of a new lincoln. >>> 2,700 lives were lost in 9/11, and 9/11 changed every new yorker who was in a position to appreciate, on that day, what happened. and the number of lives lost was horrific after 9/11. the grief was horrific. and we are at 10,000 deaths. we can control the spread. fe feel good about that. the worst is over. yeah, if we continue to be smart going forw

dave campbell, thank you so much. certainly you can look at what's happening in singapore, what's happening in other countries in asia right now that seem to be doing well. but then, you of course, they're struggling again with outbreaks once again. it's a difficult path back and it's not like everybody's going to be able to reopen and magically things are going to be working out fine. clair mccaskill, we've talked about medicaid cuts over the past five, ten years that republicans have been pushing and how that's impacting a lot of republican voters in rural america. a lot of republican voters in nursing homes. and, you know, we talked about this as it was happening. i know you -- you on the senate floor talked about the impact to rural hospitals and seniors. now -- now we look at a state like florida where rick scott has spent years trying to gut the unemployment system, unemployment benefits for florida, and now has made florida one of the worst for unemployment benefits. and here in a time of crisis when people nee

dave, sharon on facebook asks this. will temperatures be taken every time a teacher or child goes into a school? what is it going to look like? >> temperatures being taken every time a kid goes into school and a teacher is better than nothing, but we need massive testing, as dr. fauci and others have said. we need massive viral testing so that we can know if the child or the teacher is in the asymptomatic but contagious phase. >> dan hill, there are many concerns right now when it comes to medical costs, especially for those who recently lost their jobs due to the coronavirus. they have no money coming in. what do you tell customers who can't afford to buy their own insurance? >> mika, that's a really good point. what we have done is for our insured that may lose their job, may be furloughed, number one, we have offered a grace period for them to think through this. number two, we layout for this that if they fall now in their new income level below 138% of poverty they're able to join a medicaid managed care plan. our

dave campbell, thank you so much. "new york times" caitlin dickerson, thank you for your reporting. >>> ahead, eugene robinson sums up the president's response to the pandemic in two words. quote, he failed. we'll read from gene's column in the "new york times" when he joins us ahead. >>> plus, peter baker's last two headlines in the "new york times" illustrate the whiplash coming from the white house. on monday, trump was claiming authority, absolute authority over the governors. yesterday, he acknowledged the power is theirs. we'll talk about that backtrack next on "morning joe." ♪ more than ever, your home is your sanctuary. that's why lincoln offers you the ability to purchase a new vehicle remotely with participating dealers. an effortless transaction- all without leaving the comfort- and safety of your home. that's the power of sanctuary. and for a little extra help, receive 0% apr financing and defer your first payment up to 120 days on the purchase of a new lincoln. >>> dr. fauci, on the question of a vaccin

dave campbell, thank you so much. >> thanks, dr. dave. >> appreciate it. mika, it is interesting that that hospital, starting in january, started preparing for this, talking to china, talking also to what was happening in italy. it seems that sort of preparation has been absolutely critical. unfortunately, nobody was prepared early enough in new york city for the onslaught they're going to be receiving the next weeks. >> we're getting moving pictures and stories from health care workers across the country. emts, technicians, doctors, nurses, cleaning crews, everyone who helps keep our hospitals and medical facilities going during this unprecedented crisis. email your stories and pictures from the front lines. email at know your value at nbcuni.com. know your value @nbcuni.com. >> thank you for your service. >>> let's bring in capitol hill correspondent and host on sunday nights on msnbc, kasie hunt. and chairman of the libertarian party. >> what is the talk about the next stimulus plan? we understand there's already discussions about phase four, about how

a lot to talk about, dave. i think the biggest problem right now in the state of florida is the fact that, obviously, we've got a lot of senior citizens who are dying in nursing homes. you can go to every county and disproportionately, areas that are hit are the seniors. we should be concerned about younger floridians going out, seeing their parents and grandparents, and their grandparents getting sick or dying. that leads to testing. help us out. you keep me updated pretty regularly on how things are going in the state of florida. let's talk about testing. what's the latest there? >> joe, we've had about 258,000 tests in the state. that's not people tested. that's the number of tests. some people are tested multiple times. our state is 21.5 million people. we're not where we need to be. we have not flattened the curve, and we have not achieved what the president's own task force says needs to happen before you reopen. which is a 14-day downward trajectory of cases. you have people probably waiting in line at h

dave campbell. dr. dave, tell us about this testing, because everybody wants testing. we understand it is complicated and there's different levels of testing. so is this foolproof in helping us find a way forward? >> antibody testing is part of an overall strategy to get people out of the house, back to work, paback to school. we've talked for months now about the nasal swab viral testing, looking for the virus itself. that's the nucleic acid test. now, we're talking about the antibody testing, which is looking for the proteins made in response to having been infected. and the problem we have in the very short term is a lot of the tests on the market have not been assessed. dr. fauci says validated. validated means assessed for accuracy, assessed to see that the test, when it says there are antibodies, is really correct. or when it says there are not antibodies, it is correct. imagine a pregnancy test where you're not really sure if that test is real or not, and you run home and tell your parents, your spouse that you're pregnant. the tests have to be accurate. the ove

dave, for being with us. alex just got in my ear and said i think we chased the laser pointer long enough ourselves. chances are good that it won't be implemented. but he'll occasionally talk about the wall, trade wars, he'll occasionally talk about, again, things like this thinking that somehow it's going distract senior citizens from the fact that he's got people in his own administration that said, well, you know what? you know, maybe some -- and lieutenant-governor texts maybe some people need to die. >> good lord. >> so the stock market does better. >>> still ahead, do you remember this moment from earlier this month? >> i doubt it. >> we've known literally forever that disease like diabetes, hypertension, obesity and asthma are disproportionately afflicting the minority populations, particularly the african americans. unfortunately, when you look at the predisposing conditions that lead to a bad outcome with coronavirus, the things that get people into icus, that require intubation and often lead to dea

dave campbell, thank you very, very much. willie? >>> we've heard time and again that coronavirus will persist until there is a vaccine. a vaccine that could be a year or 18 months away. for more, let's bring in nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard is in london and spoke to the ceo of one of the four companies in human trials for a coronavirus vaccine, and who volunteer for the trial. these companies are moving very, very quickly to try to find this vaccine, aren't they? >> reporter: they are moving extraordinarily quickly. so as we've all been talking about over the last several weeks, there are three legs to this stool that will get us out of this. there is the testing component we were talking about now, so that we know what we're dealing with. how many people in our society have the coronavirus or have had it. so we can figure out how to manage our social systems. then there is the medical treatment, how to make sure that the symptoms aren't as severe. hopefully not as many people end up in the hospitals. a

dave campbell. dr. dave, let's go with the facts we know. where are we in cases? how long before a vaccine? >> well, the numbers for the cases we see, way over 800,000. we'll hit 1 million before we know it. 50,000 dead. we'll be at 80,000 recovered. the time to a vaccine is clearly 12 to 18 months. it takes a long time to get there. we can't speed up the biological processes, the fda steps to get to safety and effectiveness. it's important to remember with a vaccine that that will be given to people who are generally healthy. so the safety is paramount when you're going to give a therapeutic, or a vaccine, or a preventative substance, to somebody who is healthy. >> okay. so it takes a little pbit longe than the president was inferring to get a vaccine going, which, of course, means this will last longer than the president was inferring in general. again, the second inning of a nine-inning game. i want to ask you about antibody tests. there was some study with new york that they're looking at. governor cuomo is looking at. is that any republicason for ho? >> it is

as dave wasserman was saying this weekend, if pennsylvania and michigan and florida flip, it's all over anyway. whether you're looking at 1974, 1980, 1994, 2006, 2008, i mean, whatever you look at, these waves usually sweep all in one direction. right now, the momentum is going away from the republicans because they continue to embrace donald trump. they are not speaking out in a way that even some of their dpov knorr governors are. that is political suicide. >> reporter: we've seen the wave effect be bigger and bigger as this polarization trend increases. the likelihood it'll be a wave election, looking at the past couple ones, seems incredibly high. if the trump campaign is having to shore up florida when we get to election night in november, that's going to mean that fundraising advantage that john heilemann is talking about is going to be significantly less impactful. they'll have to spend so much money to shore that up. this is, like, the deal that republicans made. in some ways, it was a deal with the devil. they couldn't win without the president, they didn't think, so they embra

dave campbell. >> dr. dave, great to have you with us. first of all, let's talk really briefly, before we get to the antibody testing, about advances with the oxford research team. sounds like they're moving forward at lightning speed, and possibly even beginning test trials in september for a coronavirus vaccine. that is extraordinary, the timing, is it not? >> it's extraordinary, and it is also very optimistic, joe. my understanding is that they are months ahead of other groups that are developing vaccines. they hope that by september, they could have a vaccine available for human use broadly. in the meantime, they will need to ramp up their manufacturing and distribution capabilities in the hope that, in fact, by september, their vaccine found to be safe and effective. >> yeah, let's the -- >> very optimistic, joe. >> let's talk about antibody testing though. i'm thoroughly confused about it. every article i read seems to say something different. is it going to help us trace? is it going to help us send people back into the workplace?

dave campbell. dr. dave, of course we've been talking about grim milestones, the u.s. passing 1 million cases. 58,000 americans dying. it also looks like projection models are changing once again. of course, they have to be fluid because we have 320 million people in this country. and depending on how those 320 million people act, what they do, what they do not do, the models are constantly changing. now there seems to be some changes with a slight uptick in. you have donald trump talking about 50 or 60,000 people dying even a week ago. we're now obviously going to easily surpass those numbers, unfortunately, tragically. so what's happening with these models? why are they sort of projecting a little more of an upward arc than we expected two weeks ago? >> well, the models are taking in realtime information which includes this patchwork of states reopening their economies, relaxing some of their contact reductions. so in realtime now we have the scientists throwing that data in and seeing as states relax their restrictions that the number of deaths and therefore the num

dave campbell. dr. dave, where are we? let's go down the list. where are we with the shortage of ventilators? what have you found? >> well, the united states, of all, has enough ventilators today, but the big concern is in the next few weeks, developing a need that cannot be septembkept with. this week, the president has again invoked the defense production act as it relates to ventilators, and the admiral came on and told us some of the timeline for that. they're anticipating 100,000 ventilators being produced. but in the next -- this month, in april, it will be several thousands. in may, it'll be several thousands. then there's going to be a big number that start to get produced by june. and whether that is quickly implemented or how they're spread out, i guess we will see soon. >> so if they have a shortage, what do hospitals plan to do? i would assume this is hard to gauge. >> it is. mika, the rolling wave of need, governor cuomo pointed this out very well this week. as hot spots cool back off, and their need for ventilators, which is still r

dave campbell. along with health care editor for bloomberg, drew armstrong. he is here with his reporting on the trump administration's effort dubbed "operation warp speed," to fast-track the development of a coronavirus vaccine. >> dr. dave, before we start talking about some good news that came out yesterday, we keep hearing this back and forth between donald trump and dr. fauci. donald trump continues to say that the virus is going to go away. he has always said magically go away. now, he's saying he doesn't think it can come back. it probably won't come back in the fall. might not come back in the fall. some variance of that. dr. fauci is consistent, saying, "it is going to come back in the fall. it is going to come back in the fall." let me ask you, based on everything that you've read, is there any evidence that this virus is going to magically go away this summer and not come back in the fall? >> no. in fact, dr. fauci mentions that he's not sure it will even go away. if you look at the numbers even today, joe, here we are, plateaued. we're going to be

dave campbe campbell. dr. dave, yesterday, i started seeing people wearing masks as they were walking around the neighborhoods, riding bikes. some people are following the kk cdc recommendations. the cdc is recommending that people wear at least cloth masks outside. what's the impact of that? what impact will that have? >> joe, that recommendation is made so that the wearer of the mask, like me, when i'm talking or breathing to a person, i will not be transmitting to the person i'm speaking to droplets or vapor or my breath, which we now know can contain live virus. so the reason that the cdc has recommended that people wear face masks, cloth coverings, scarves, is so that the person wearing the mask will not infect the person that they are near. to not do that is placing the person that you are speaking to at risk. because we know that there is a -- there are a period of a few days from when you are inoculated before you develop symptoms when you are contagi s contagious. what's a simple recommendation, joe?

dave campbell to talk more about this. dr. dave, a lot of folks are asking for more transparency as it pertains to the prime minister's condition. obviously, we don't know what's going on in there. but what would merit being moved from the regular part of the hospital to the icu? >> mika, johnson's case really should be thought of in terms of a month or six weeks to get to where we are today. so if you look back at the clip you showed us in early march, where he was talking about shaking hands and engaging, the opposite of social distancing, we must know that sometime during that week or two, he was exposed and became infected. fast forward to your question right now. on sunday, he was admitted to the hospital. on monday, he was moved to the icu. he is in the icu right now. he's there because his oxygen levels are low. we can know that. they've said that. this disease, covid-19, is particularly problematic as it relates to lung tissue. this is a lung illness primarily. those 20% of individuals who develop the disease that is e

dave campbell. dr. dave, i feel like these are the stories that perhaps give us the guidebook on when we can turn the corner on this. explain this convalescent plasma therapy and could it help the fight against the virus? >> of course. the convalescent plasma therapy is quite simply the use of antibodies that are collected from those that have been sick and recovered and then given to patients who are critically ill or severely ill with covid-19. that's been -- it's been used for years. it was used in sars, in mers, and ebola and even before that. and it is very exciting, but i must temper that excitement with the reality that if it was such a great thing that's been around for a long time, there would not have been 731 deaths in new york yesterday. and, in fact, if it were such a great thing, it would be in wide use already. it's under investigation. the fda came out just a few days ago and made a clear statement for doctors across the country that while it is, let's say, exciting, while it is possible

dave campbell. dave, we're still having a problem with testing. at the briefing, dr. birx said that there's still not enough testing being performed because, in some of the labs, the machines weren't running. what did she mean by that? >> joe, we're not having the testing problem. we're having a testing abomination. it is unbelievably horrible, the lack of testing availability across the country. i'm in palm beach county. you can forget about it if you think you're going to drive-through a drive-by urgent care center or a tent and be tested. it is not going to happen. testing and physical distancing, those two things are connected. because if you are tested, and you know whether or not you have the virus in you, that will help you determine what you are going to do that day. so what i'm hearing about testing isn't registering with me. it is not available. you have to be sick, in a hospital, to be tested. >> how many times, kasie, have we heard the story that you don't get tested -- people that don't get tested, they stay at home. they're not able to get the test until

dave. with heidi's reporting on the lack of leadership there, possibly, kids going back to school, is what the president said correct about how literally no impact on them? because there are some schools that are opening and kids have gone back. what has happened, dr. dave? >> first, mika, we scientists know that kids are not immune to the coronavirus. they catch it, they transmit it, they've even show more recently that some of the youngest children, under 5, have up to 100 times more viral particles in their nasal fair nix than adults. we know that just in florida over 250,000 kids have been swabbed. there have been 42,000 positive cases of children. seven have died in florida. many, many have been hospitalized in florida. i think it's over 400. so that's just down here in florida, imagine spreading that across the country. and we know that the virus has spread across the country. so as schools reopen, we might be able to take the georgia high school that everybody saw just a if you have

dave, let's start there. the president complained, said if you have more testing you have more cases and that's how we compare with other countries and that wouldn't be fair. but it's the deaths that are much more important here. >> just devastating. >> and we're number one in the worst way ever. is this going to get worse before it gets better? let's look at florida. >> it absolutely will get worse. i'm not the expert in making predictions about how this will go, but if we look back to memorial day and then july fourth and if anybody looks around as they're driving around their hometown and sees the large groups of typically younger people gathered together without face masks, they should be able to predict the future like we can today, and that is that there will be a continuing number of new cases, testing or otherwise, and that will then lead to the lagging indicator of deaths from coronavirus, from 19. we're seeing that certainly in florida, we're seeing that across the country. and those numbers, the nu

joining us now, state attorney for palm beach county dave aaronburg. let's talk about masks, you can look at florida as an example, it's simple but it's become a political issue. >> good morning, mika, yes, it's a shame that people are politicizing this pandemic. you have a sheriff in north central florida who is doing so. he is not only telling people that masks should be optional, that's one thing, he's banning them outright. this is about political wars, it's not about public safety. the sheriff comes from a county in florida that's largely republican and this is his way of getting in the graces of the farm rig far right, but it's harming public safety. it's putting mistrust between the police and communities they're supposed to serve. this the does the opposite of bringing people together. this makes it less likely that a member of the community will approach a police officer, trust a police officer because the prifr could be carrying the coronavirus and because of this policy that police officer is not allowed to wear a mask. one final thing on it

dave campbell thank you for being on. new york governor, andrew cuomo delivered a blistering speech criticizing the white house's response to the coronavirus pandemic. take a listen. >> our nation is in crisis, and in many ways covid is just a metaphor. a virus attacks when the body is week and when it cannot defend itself. over these past few years america's body of politics has been weakened. only a strong body can fight off the virus. and america's divisions weakened it. donald trump didn't create the initial division. the division created trump. he only made it worse. americans learned a critical lesson, how vulnerable we are when we are divided, and how many lives can be lost when our government is incompetent. >> president trump fired back at cuomo last night accusing the governor of being responsible for thousands of deaths in nursing homes. a reference to cuomo's policy at the time that ordered nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients from hospitals, a measure designed to free up hospital beds because they wer

i was on with the chief operating officer dave williams yesterday going over the plan. that patterson example to me tells me the system works and we should feel good about the fact that the bad guys were caught. >> we've been talking about the united states postal service, how concerned are you about a higher volume of mail-in ballots weighing down the post office to the point it impacts the votes, the way and time spent counting those votes. do you see problems in new jersey? >> it should weigh on all of us. that's the underlying reason for my conversations which have been regular, by the way, with the postal service and as i said, as recently as yesterday. one of the things we've done in the primary that we're going to do again in the general. not only are we going to have more secure boxes for folks to put their ballot into and bypass the postal service or hand it to a poll worker on election day as i said earlier, but we extended the amount of days your ballot will count as long as it was postmarked by election day. it used to be two days after that, it will now be

dave, what's next? if donald trump's tax returns are ever going to be seen, how many more legal steps does this need to go through? >>mika, people were wondering when the trump legal team put out this crazy argument of absolute immunity that they knew was going to lose because it has no basis in the law to see why they do it? you see why they did it. instead of challenging the grand jury subpoenas on the normal grounds they're overbroad or asking for irrelevant stuff they went for a home run by trying to get absolute immunity that would protect the president no matter what he did at any time, that was a loser, he lost 7-2. but he wins because it creates more delays in the system. it goes back to the district court which yesterday then heard the standard objections to the subpoenas they were overbroad and had irrelevant requests. he lost at that level. now it goes to the appellate court and then back to the u.s. supreme court. so this is an occasion where the president wins by losing because he will lose

but i did have a question actually for dave weigel, my colleague, which is dave, you, unlike most of us, have been traveling around the country and going places and talking to people. and i'm just -- so it's kind of an open ended question, but what are you sensing in being able to move around and talk to people that perhaps we are not as we sit in this our living rooms and talk into web cams? >> well, it's so fluid that i don't want to predict how people feel about this week i got off the road monday and about 10,000 things have happened. you don't see people hanging on every single piece of news. this is not a feature just to this era, but you see this schizophrenic consuming of media. where i have conversations with democrats, people who intend to vote for democrats and they're unaware of the conversations on fox news. so you hear a protest, you'll see a protest, the coverage on fox news is going to be, i think, today of young people with masks yelling at people leaving this trump rally. the coverage that democrats are going to absorb is not that. i think the wisconsin situation is

dave. >> well, dr. birx, of course, the white house task force coordinator explains to all of us how the virus has now spread to the midwest. even as areas like the south and southwest where i am here in florida we're starting to see a leveling off of new cases, even though the death rate is still very disturbing, but across the midwest we see spiking surging numbers of new cases and we'll see spiking surging numbers of new deaths. it's like you take your hand and rub it across the map of the united states and this virus is going into the rural areas. it's going into areas where people's guard is probably down because it's not densely populated. what her point was, and it's very well taken, is that everywhere, particularly now, in rural areas, people have to wake up, wear their face mask, socially distance. that's this new phase she's talking about even as the death rate for the last six days has been over 1,000 per day. i would add to the new phase of the epidemic. as we see evictions kick in or people

dave campbell, thank you very much for being on this morning. shannon and jeremy, thank you both for your reporting as well. still ahead on "morning joe," former director of national intelligence john brennan joins us to discuss the trump administration's decision to no longer give in-person briefings to congress on election security. >>> plus, nancy pelosi suggests democrats will release president trump's tax returns if they win the white house in november. we'll talk about that ongoing fight. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. from prom dresses... ...to soccer practices... ...and new adventures. you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past... they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. let's help protect them together. because missing menb vaccination could mean missing out on a whole lot more. ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. book two separate qualifying stays and

dave campbell. dr. dave, willie and i were talking about this new projection up to 300,000 americans possibly dying by december 1st. and sadly, this group out of the university of washington, and let me -- i keep identifying it as university of washington. ihme, they've been actually conservative from the start. and so, now we're talking about a death toll of 300,000 americans by december 1st. what's your take? >> they are conservative and they've been spot on throughout this pandemic in forward thinking in their numbers. so what we now hear and see is if we don't change our behaviors in any way as it relates to face mask wearing, social distancing, all the behaviors that go into preventing the spread of the virus that by december 1st, let alone the end of the year, we'll double the deaths we have. we'll hit 5 million new cases before you know it. and many of the states across the country are still seeing surges popping up here and there. so we're not in any way out of the woods. woef fall coming, winte

right, dave? >> yep. we're very excited about -- sorry. the timing. we're very excited about runoffs in general. we hope this election season never ends and we can just keep going, just election after election after election. >> yeah. >> so dave, we actually played that clip, julia, a few minutes ago where selena is screaming, stop the recount, stop the recount. i guess the difference in that case is their advisers screamed back at her, no, you can't do that. we're not hearing much of that around president trump right now. as you watch these incidents play out, you've been asked these questions a thousand times because it's too close to "veep," you can almost hear the music sneaking in. the four seasons landscaping, the hair dye, all of it. what do you think as you watch all of this? >> i am glad it's going to be over soon. i am so exhausted by it. you know, it's one thing when it's a comedy on hbo and we can laugh, but when lives are at stake, as they are today, and when democracy is on the line, which is something i feel is very much the case in thi

start with dave. have you heard about this, dave? at all? >> yeah, mika. the neighbors may have a point here, because the deal to transform mar-a-lago from a private residence to a social club is governed by a 1993 agreement between trump and the town of palm beach. and in that agreement it says that only members of mar-a-lago can stay there in the guest suites and only 21 day as year and only 7 days in a row. plus it's well known back in 1993 trump's lawyer testified before the town council saying trump would not be living on premises. there's that. there could be side amendments that could create am bbiguitambt president trump could make a statement he's been staying there more than 21 day as year and the town did nothing about it until they started to disagree with his politics. a constitutional deal he could maim. hard to fight city hall. a contracted is is the contract the town would win. and i spoke to the manager, it's his position trump has not violated the 1993 agreement yet although they'll be talking to lawyers as a result of carol's great repor

dave campbell joins us now live. good morning, dave. we just heard from the first lady of new york city talking about drug abuse and overdoses. we know those have spiked in the ten months. how does that factor into this story about mental health? >> willie, thanks for having me on. it overlaps tremendously. what we've seen during the pandemic nationwide, not just in new york city, is that there's been a surge and overdose cases, new cases. take indiana for example. they had 80% increase in the number of emergency department visits, and that was only in the spring before this winter surge. they had a 30% increase in overdose deaths. factor in now the surge we're in, the increasing numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths and you can imagine how we're going to see this continuing overlap of increasing mental health problems with increasing drug and alcohol misuse, increasing amounts of alcohol being consumed, drugs being used. and, really, the silent killer, as was mentioned, is this shame and stigma that follows. people don't sit ar

dave, do we still have dr. dave? so, dave, as we've been talking to public health experts about this, you know, warranted excitement about the pfizer vaccine, warranted excitement about the moderna vaccine but also tempered by, okay, not everybody is obviously getting it right out of the gate. as you look at the horizon of how the distribution and the giving of the vaccine is going to be given here, how do you see it happening? in other words, when do healthy people begin to say, okay, yeah, i've got a shot in my arm and we can feel a little bit better as a country about sort of mixing and mingling again? >> this is one of those good news/bad news stories. we are as of a couple of days ago, i think it was yesterday, at 1 million people in the united states had been vaccinated. the hope was that 20 million would have been vaccinated by the end of the year. that's obviously not going to happen. but we have both of the pfizer and moderna vaccines shimmed. i'm actually getting the moderna vaccine today. and by february,

dave about that as well, but first, dr. dave, the cdc revised the two-week coronavirus quarantine period. what is the new recommendation if you have been exposed or you get it? >> mika, this all falls in the bucket of hope that dr. sax was intimating and we have now the ability to look forward and see that vaccines are going to come sooner than we thought and in greater numbers. the cdc has said that instead of a 14-day quarantine after exposure, there are some times that you could shorten the duration of quarantine to ten days or even down to seven days if you're willing to get a test right near the end of the seven-day quarantine, as long as you're not having symptoms. that is intended to increase compliance and i think it's also intended to fall in this bucket of hope where if we could just all be more diligent and persevere through the next three months that dr. redfield has laid out these dire consequences if we don't, then perhaps by february, march as we see the number of vaccines available increasing every single we

. >> joining us, state attorney for palm beach county, dave arrenbrg. >> if you're trying to come in to get a -- get my phone, like and a judge signs a search warrant, do cops -- will three cops come to my door with guns drawn? i don't know. maybe -- >> that's how they do it? is that how they do it in florida? >> what's going on here? >> yeah, you know, joe and mika it was just 24 hours ago we were talking about rebecca jones being a whistleblower in florida and minutes later, her home was raided by florida department of law enforcement agents and her computer seized and phones taken. as for whether it's normal for cops to come in with guns drawn, it is pretty normal when they execute a search warrant to have guns brandished because they are walking into a strange situation. they don't know what awaits them, and there have been tragedies where cops have been gunned down inside a stranger's home where it gets a little squirrely is the fact that there was a search warrant to raid her home at all when she's not being accused of hacking into the state and stealing data or disseminating v

dave, talk about right now. the u.s. just recorded its highest weekly covid-19 death toll, experiencing a surge right now. is this thanksgiving and -- are we going to go, start to sort of peaking and the numbers start to go down and what are we looking ahead at? >> mika, there are some states that surprisingly are showing a slight decline in the midwest and other states, alabama, florida, georgia, they're surging back up. so it's kind of this interesting balance that we're seeing where some areas of the country go up. others go slightly down, but we haven't really seen the thanksgiving surge kick in. we're just starting to see some upticks from our reporting to suggest that that's going to happen. so watch closely over the next week or two to see what happens to these numbers, based on all of the travel and all of the indoor accommodations and activities that took place over thanksgiving, and don't forget, it's cold. down here in florida, it's cold. thanksgiving is over. christmas holidays are coming. there's going to be

ben wittes and then dave arenberg. i believe the president was impeached for behavior like this and republicans saying, good, he's learned his lesson. kwoe it won't happen again. and this this tweet. is it a quid pro quo and what do you make of it? >> hints at conditions you drop these lawsuits or i won't let good things happen to the state of new york. right? and the nature of the lawsuits are ones that he's personally invested in. so he's -- he's definitely playing with fire here. on the other hand, the fact that, you know, 50-plus senators could watch hakeem jeffries warning about precisely this sort of thing, and kind of shrug their shoulders and say, you know, i'll run that risk, you know, suggests that he probably feels, and i think probably rightly, that in the sort of culture of impunity in which he operates, he doesn't have a whole lot to worry about from this. >> dave arenberg, your take? >> well, susan collins was right. he has learned his lesson. the lesson being, he can get away with it. he can do this and

joining us, dave arenberg. dave what do you think of jackson's denial of roger stone's aguess motion to disqualify her? >> mika, i agree with judge jackson. this motion to disqualify her was based on the fact she praised integrity of the jury. that's the kind of statement judges maim all t s make all th doesn't mean bias and she's alloweds to form late opinion based on what she learns at trial. if she really wanted to stick it to roger stone she could have locked him up when he repeatedly violated her gag order but she didn't. could have locked him up when he posted that inflammatory picture of her on social media with cross hairs over the photo and didn't. could have sent him to jail when convicted but didn't. could have locked him when he was sentenced and didn't. contrary to what we all thought would happen. yeah, he shouldn't be sending a motion to disqualify her and probably should send her a gift basket instead. this is all about, mika, appealing to an audience of one. not the judge, but the president who

dave sent me a "new york times" breaking article about how in japan now shuttering all schools to try to keep, try to keep it under control. we don't, again, americans i think need to understand how quickly this can move and how greatly it could impact everybody's lives. >> no question about it. the cdc i think yesterday officials there, senator, tried to make that point as they came up and spoke after president trump saying we don't know where this is headed. a lot of uncertainty around this. expect more cases pup have a pretty good perspective on these things. you pointed out took a leadership role in 2014 during the ebola crisis. how should americans be looking now as of this morning at the coronavirus and a lot of people pointed to the fact the cdc says as many as 61,000 people could die in this country this season just of the flu. 3,000 people have died around the world of the coronavirus but we did get that report yesterday of a new case in northern california. someone who reportedly had not traveled to one of these countries or traveled outside the country. how should americans

bring in dave wasserman. so, dave, this read the tea leaves for us, and tell us who did well last night, who appeared to be overperforming, who appeared to be underperforming, and do any of us have any idea who's going to win this thing? >> remember the last des moines register poll? selzer poll spiked because, of course, issues. that turned out to be the best most accurate poll around. right? but, look, this wasn't quite the fire festival of results reporting but it was close. look, we're probably going to have results today that show that bernie sanders came out on top. that's my expectation. buttigieg, warren, two, three in some order, but i think the interesting thing about the timing last night was that the fact it was clear biden and klobuchar would not be in the top three kind of freed them to go on tv before everyone went to bed and seized the stage at a time that, you know, probably served them as best it could given the circumstances. >> yeah. so i think the networks were going to a lot of the place

dave arenberg, thank you so much. >> thank you, dave. that was great. >> appreciate it. >> thank you. >> willie? >>> nbc news is reporting the office of director of national intelligence quietly asked the house and senate committees to close its annual worldwide threats hearing to the public this year. the request comes after president trump was angered last year by the assessments of intelligence chiefs that undercut his past statements on various foreign policy issues facing the country. ken delanian, your reporting on this story. how unusual would it be to close this? and is it as simple as president trump didn't like what he heard last year? >> it would be incredibly unusual, willie. we cannot remember a time when it has happened. it is an example how this president corrodes the normal feck niches of government. the worldwide threats hearing is an annual exercise sort of like a state of the union for the intelligence community. the only time these senior spy chiefs appear in public and talk about the threats facing the nation and rel

dave aronberg is here, also nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. what's it mean, danny? >> it means the case is muted. to understand this we have to go back to 2008 to the hair iot meyers case in which the court held there was no absolute immunity, but it left the crack open to the issues of national security. you fastforward to 2019 and the don mcgahn case where the judge holds that there is no absolute immunity. but perhaps even more important, the administration chose to make a vague arm that because don mcgahn was in the white house, he was in the vicinity of national security, so he may have picked up a little bit of it so that he should be allowed that national security protection that absolute immunity. and in terms of betting, this was like putting that argument with the detroit lions as opposed to the san francisco 49ers, this was not best game to bet on national security as an absolute immunity issue. and so judge brown dismissed that argument when the administration might have won if it was used with a kupperman or a bolton. but they never got that opportunity

dave ehrenberg, what do you make of this? >> well, he should have recused himself a long time ago but he didn't because bill barr sees himself more as the president's personal defender than as the attorney general of the united states. he should have recused himself when the whistle-blower complaint was released and bill barr was implicated in the first few lines of the complaint. he should have recused himself when the perfect call transcript was released and president trump mentioned bill barr several times to tell president zelensky to follow up with bill barr to investigate joe biden. and he should have recused himself when it was apparent he was involved in the doj review of the whistle-blower complaint and his refusal to turn the complaint over to congress. he didn't because that's why he's there to have the president's back, to be the president's consigliere. it's more like godfather 3 without the first two movies. >> so, joe, i mean, the attorney general at this point i think is one of the, you know, things that we di

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dave campbell for more on this. your thoughts, dr. dave on this? explain the severe concern about this outbreak and how worried should americans be? should they panic? >> good morning, mika. no. americans do not need to panic. the chinese are already panicking as they should, because this virus is spreading all through the central parts of china, and it's a new virus. it has never been seen before. so it's mechanism of spreading is not quite known yet. what i would suggest, however, is that americans take this as a wake-up call for seasonal flu. we are not out of the flu season. we've already had 15 million cases of the flu in the u.s. 140,000 hospitalizations. 54 children have died. almost as many as have died from the novel coronavirus, and everybody's not vaccinated yet. even if you get vaccinated and get the flu, it lowers the complication rate from the flu. so we don't need to be overly concerned yet in the united states about the novel coronavirus, we do need to keep our eyes open for the seasonal flu. we're right in the middle of the flu sea

so dave aaronburg, you are the state attorney for palm beach county. was it illegal wiretapping for parnas to record fruman and parnas to record this conversation? >> joe, florida is a two-party consent state when it comes to wiretapping. to take advantage of that protection, you need to have a reasonable expectation of privacy. you've got to take affirmative measures to protect your conversation such as d drag the person into a separate room and close the door behinder ow was it in a group situation when you have less protection. might tell romney made a gaffe, there is a secret recording by the bartender. the bartender was not charged because mitt romney did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that setting. when you saw everyone taking pictures, it sort of stops the expectation of privacy here. >> you can tell that lev parnas and igor were recording all the time. this is only the second video that we've seen and i don't know if it's strategic, but we're seeing a gaffe from the attorneys putting these out. is there more? i think we've esta

dave campbell with more. >> dr. dave, tell us about causes for the drop in cancer. >> joe, this has been a long time coming, since 1991, first year i started my practice, we have seen a drop in cancer death, cancer mortality. 2016 to 2017 largely reflects the decreasing rates of smoking, therefore the decreasing rates of lung cancer deaths. lung cancer causes far more deaths than the rest of cancers we talk about. this is a huge, important finding. it has to be balanced against the fact that there are plenty of other cancers out there that are still dangerous and metastatic lung cancer still has only a 5% rate of survival at five years, so you're not out of the woods if you have lung cancer. >> so decreased smoking has certainly made a big impact in decline of numbers for lung cancer. as far as skin cancer goes, mel gno -- mel gnome a, that dropped because of medical research. >> melanoma, the most deadly skin cancer has very effective treatment now it did not have ten years ago. so your chance of surviving a melano