. >> matt was interviewed by donny deutsch who was standing in for me. let's just watch. >> the biggest heart in broadcasting. incredibly talented. but, again, feels, cares, is concerned about other people more than anyone i've met. >> kind of what everyone says about ann curry. the reason i think it's more than just an industry issue is the "today" show is a bit like "the tonight show" in the morning, isn't it? and these stars, matt lauer, meredith vieira. you when you did it. >> right. >> you become, for the period that you're sitting there, part of millions of americans lives >> and -- >> they don't want to be threatened by too much change. the key question i have for you, deborah, is this, do you think it was sexist that ann was singled out for the difficulty in that relationship with matt? would it have been fairer to say, as he has said, look, it may be my fault? >> he's not losing his job so i don't think anybody would agree with him when he says that. you had a similar situation. here you had three guys about whom a lot of reporting was done. you