joey jackson, my goodness. this has not been a week yet in this courthouse, and i remember thinking back to just how much time we were going to have to devote to the zimmerman trial, because there was so much evidence and so much discussion in so many weeks that we were in that courthouse. and yet this one seems to be speeding by so much more, which is why i want to bring in mark o'ma o'mara, definite resource on this one. everyone has drawn the parallels between this case and your case when you defended george zimmerman. and yet i like to say so close but yet so far. >> so very far away. really not very similar at all. certainly a young black male lost his life. >> that's very similar. and so is the outcry. >> and there is a white guy did the shooting. no question about that. i think that -- the only other similarity is prosecuting the case. other than that, john -- kevin costner guy, as well. >> in the courtroom. >> but the reality is, there are so many more differences. because if you really look at it, no m

jackson, professor joey jackson, because this particular attorney has gone to bat against the nba before on behalf of one donald sterling. >> he was successful in the past. tell her why, danny, he's not going to be successful. >> first, it's a scary thing sometimes to us lawyers is success in the past because it's exactly what clients expect. >> it emboldens them. >> that's sometimes to have that success. >> i did it before, i'll do it again. >> builds expectations a little too high. in this case, remember, to get this into court, they have to overlook the fact that sterling signed an agreement that placed all of the rights in the hands of commissioner. absent of arbitrary behavior, this will not be reviewed in a court. >> the whole thing where he said, i'm sorry, i hope they'll forgive me, i don't know if this helps him. stick around. other things to ask you about. the clippers won't be making their first ever appearance in the western conference final because they were trailing three games to two in their best of seven semifinal series with oklahoma city. oh, man. clippers lost last ni

all right, joey jackson, great work. really great job. >>> and of course there is a lot more on this. if you have a tip for kyra or the investigative unit, please go to cnn.com/investigate. >>> tonight, the congressman who wants to make a change after seeing kyra's report lays out his plan. dennis ross is on live tonight at "a.c. 360" at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> a cease-fire between israel and hamas has failed. the egyptianbacked plan collapsed after only six hours. israel briefly halting air strikes but hamas refusing to stop firing rockets. the plan called for all sides to cease hostilities until high-level talks could take place. latest fighting has killed more than 190 palestinians in gaza. >>> 20 people were killed after a metro train derailed in moscow today. 160 injured, 42 in critical condition. three cars derailed in a tunnel during morning rush hour. it's not clear what caused it but the head of moscow's transportation department said it was not a terrorist attack. >>> and an investigation into the recent anthrax

joey jackson and sunny hostin. when you think about this, what they're essentially saying is -- >> effort for a real long time. and i think one of the reasons is, gay and lesbian and transgender people are not a protected class you said the constitution. under the constitution. they really haven't reached, i think, that status. although they should have reached that status. it's arguable that after doma passed perhaps a challenge will show that, yes, these people are protected and should be protected. but right now it's almost open season on those people. and it's just unbelievable to me. and let's face it. this is code for discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender. >> by implication, that's what it means. >> you can walk in and they can say, no, i'm not going to serve you and you can't file a lawsuit against them. they say no, i'm protected under my religious beliefs. >> therein lies the problem. if you peel this back and look at the amendments in general, right? none of the amendments are absolute. if y

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defense attorney and legal analyst joey jackson. don, i think you're sort of the defibti tivdefinitive race on t and everything else. this was supposed to be damage control. >> it was. if he has people advising him, which i don't think he does, they need to be fired. and if he doesn't, he needs to hire a good team. just in that one -- that was just one little snippet, right? he offended so many people. these people should be ashamed of having aids, right? then he says the blacks don't do anything. then he talks about jewish people, how they step -- what he's insinuating is jewish people are better than black people. he doesn't understand the depths of his bigotry and racism. this guy's a lost cause. >> so he's in his 80s. >> no excuse. >> it's clear he doesn't understand much. but at some point, can you also see the perspective that this is a very old man who, yes, does not have that guidance -- >> i don't see it -- >> -- don't realize the error of his ways -- >> this guy was around for the civil rights movement and you can't excuse

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joey jackson, heather hanson back me. what i love is the insane clown posses filing on freedom of association and due process. do they have a case? >> i think they're going to have a hard time. the reality is, in 2011, the fbi did an investigation, and they found that there was enough of an affiliation they could be classified as a gang. if that is the case, the fbi has the right to make that classification. similar to what happened to the hell's angels. >> how is this any different from deadheads or little monsters to lady gaga? >> the point is that it's about guilt by association and are we our brother's keeper. so the reality is, if you choose to follow a particular band, a particular group, and you individually engage in criminality, should the group itself constitute a criminal organization. and that's what it's about. and we, right, constantly in court use the defense of mere presence, a crime happens, our client is there. is he guilty simply because these merely present? >> by association? >> and by association? an

joey jackson, lay it on me. >> so i say the cell phone. i'm referring to an obscure case called riley versus california wherein the supreme court indicated unanimously that the police cannot search what has our lives on it without a warrant. it used to be called a search incident to an arrest where you can go and attack all of your applications and everything in here and out for public view but the court said, no, get a warrant. that's a good thing for freedoms, protections and privacy. >> not a good one for prosecutors. >> no. >> you need that information. >> i used to be a prosecutor but i say prosecute the criminals but get it right and respect their privacy. always a delicate balance. >> or get a warrant. >> absolutely. >> who possibly could your loser be? >> sony. the hacking scandal was huge. look, if you look at the complaint and read the complaint, i know it's only an allegation, ashleigh, but to leave your systems vulnerable and to have 15,000 current and former employees at risk with the most sensitive of personal information, so

paul callan and joey jackson joining me live. on that audio tape, he says in a very matter of fact way. it looked like this guy was fixing to beat the "f" out of me. is that the same as i thought i was about to die. i thought you had to be in fear of your life, not about to get a beatdown. >> florida law is the same on self-defense, fear of your life or the infliction of serious bodily injury. it certainly doesn't sound like he makes that standard. you were asking joey, were are we seeing this many self-defense case s case. this is standard defense on every murder case. i have never seen one involving popcorn and texting. self-defense is always asserted in murder cases. it is the only defense you have usually. >> how about this, joey, curtis reeves, there flanked by his attorneys there in the courtroom is 71 years old. i am not 71 and i don't know what it is like to be 71 and i don't know what it is like to be 71 in a dark theater in an argument with a younger man. does that make a difference when all of this resolves around his

mel robbins, joey jackson. i say this is tough because there are people who feel so strongly about the second amendment that this kind of language, dead kids don't trump my rights, fine to them. that's why i say this is tough. do you see any shot, even in california? >> absolutely. and, look, joe the plumber lost the election with that kind of rhetoric. he may be a mouth piece for the nra but that's going to be who california's up against. california has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. they already have a ten-day waiting period. they already have a 30-day waiting period between guns. they already have a federal and state background check. they already have safety training that's required. and so on -- >> guess what, this kid passed all that and killed all those others. >> i got it, but you know what, here's the thing that's troubling, is that the police showed up, right, at this murderer's house, there were six of them there, and that was the one opportunity we had to thwart this from happ

i want to bring back joey jackson and mark o'mara. first, to you, joey jackson. a guilty plea. we will give you a ride from the airport. guilty to what? >> think about it this way. remember, back in june, i think he was charged with three felonies according to the felly complaint. one of them had to do with disclosing national security information. the other felony national intelligence and theft of government property. all of which are quite serious and all of which could mean he could spend his life in jail. to your question, i don't know what his lawyers would agree to. maybe theft of government information. i don't think and i don't take that holder statement. i don't know that husband lawyers would be willing at this point with all the pressure and all the exposure to have him subject himself to the jurisdiction of the united states. >> mark o'mara, you are no stranger to legal parlance. to a lot, it sounded like plea discussion. entering a plea does not mean plea bargaining, does it? >> it doesn't. i think, although i don't like what snowden did, i think he did it the wro

way want to bring in paul callan and defense attorney joey jackson. so here's where i started to wonder. if you have that many people who could provide witness testimony, absence the forensics, absence anything else in this case, it's witness against witness, is there any way that the statute of limitations would allow some kind of prosecution to come forward? >> we've been working on this and joey has a list of every statute in the country. but here's the overview on it. it used to be in most states 5 to 7 years for rape you have to bring the case or you lose your right to bring it. but then when all of these cases evolved involving children and abuse of children. >> and memories that were repressed. >> and dna came along and all of a sudden we realized there may be somebody sitting in prison linked to an old rape, there's one rule that remained in place and that is this. whatever the statute was when the rape occurred initially, if that had expired when the law was changed, you don't get the benefit of the long statute. >> basically what you're sayi

my legal panel is joining me, joey jackson, paul callan. no matter how you feel about brittany maynard, nothing could be celebrated about this. everything just felt so sad either way. but, you know, my question is, what has changed? paul, you weigh in first. what has changed since the kevorkian days? >> we've gotten so sophisticated in terms of the machines that can prolong and keep us alive, even after the doctors have said there's no chance of survival that we see people and usually it's older people, elderly people but sometimes it's young people with cancer and other types of diseases that we know are terminal and the machines, the artificial feeding, the ventilation, all of these things prolong life in a way that causes people to suffer and i think many people now say, you know something, maybe it's not right that the machines are allowed to keep us alive when they which our time has come. >> so interesting that you chose the route to answer that question. what i expected, and maybe this is you, we've become more progressive. we unders

i want to thank joey jackson, paul calan and michael bell. apologize to the three of you for interrupting but for the sake of the president i think everyone understands. separate from the eric garner case in new york and the brown case in ferguson, is a third and controversial pitting white police against black males and this is in cleveland. a 12-year-old boy was shot and killed by a white police officer about whom we are learning some pretty troubling new details. that story is next. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. ♪ ♪ come in and use your starbucks gift card any day through january 5th for a chance to win starbucks for life. . >>> the police officer who shot a boy dead two weeks ago in cleveland, apparently once go

i would like to hear what the great joey jackson has to say about this. therefore, tear gas or any chemical agent is, in essence, an unlawful, unconstitutional because it does not discriminate between the lawful protesterers and unlawful protesters. >> it's a difficult job that the police have, of course. we have to respect the fact that they are out there doing the best that they can under the difficult circumstances. however, when you engage in action that kills the first amendment, because it's a balancing test. i have a right to peacefully assemble, to protest, but to do so in a peaceful way. the police have a right to protect interests and property and the like. when you engage in activity and they did it in a manner where they did wherein d indiscrimina, if you protest on a street and know that you're going to be socked with canisters of tear gas? of course not. in the event that you're engaged in some unlawful activity and you're warned to disperse and you have an opportunity to heed that warning, after that time, if you don't, then tear gas may fl

danny cevallos and joey jackson. they don't practice together, but they do here. look, a lot of people are seeing this as incredibly insensitive, so unfeeling. really, mortgage fighting, if you think about it. but taking into perspective the time it was said, before this trial. before the outcry. before all of this. before the full story of who this teenager is, and was. is it fair that we are attacking a private conversation between him and a family member, a fiancee, so to speak? >> first thing, should we be surprised that mr. dunn is insensitive? is that really a shock to any one of us, based upon the conduct upon which he engaged in? that's number one. number two, whenever you're in a facility, ashleigh, you have no expectation of privacy. as a result of that, anything you say, obviously, is fair game for everybody else. and so therefore, to the extent that we're evaluating this conversation, we need to be, because it gets us into his mind-set. last point, you could argue that perhaps his defense lawyer my have w

heather hanson, trial attorney, criminal defense attorney, joey jackson is here. okay. so now cume bay ya with cuba, does that mean just maybe they'll send her back if we ask nicely enough? >> i would have thought if that was going to happen we would have heard it already. we have a' heard about exchange of some prisoners and this particular woman causes a lot of upset. there are a lot of issues with regards to her conviction. a lot of people said her conviction was unfair, a lot of people consider her sort of a racial -- someone to look up to. and so there's a lot of issues with regard to her conviction that make it a political issue for obama that maybe something, given the environment right now, he doesn't want to touch. >> i was only 6 when she killed this trooper on the new jersey t turnpike. she was convicted of it. i cannot speaks to the evidence, i cannot speaks to the trial. i've seen a lot of bad trials, i've seen a lot of good trials. the facts as reported have been she shot this trooper in the head twice with his own service revolver and she had accomplices

jackson and mel robbin. when you have a war zone and you're not free to gather up evidence and put crime scene evidence and interview people in a timely fashion, how do you come up with a case? >> they conducted an investigation in 2009 and based on probably just preliminary interviews, they made a determination, ashleigh, that he deliberately left. but what does deliberately mean? it could mean that he left his post, he went awol, which is absence without leave, and it could mean that he deserted. in order to prove that he deserted, he actually had to have the intent of deserting the army. and without interviewing him, which they've only been able to recently do, you can't make that determination. >> there's a lot of similarities between the uniform code of military process, which is what he would be tried under, if he's tried at all, and the regular civil criminal justice system. >> sure. >> but based on the same stuff, and that's evidence and witness testimony. >> and that's very important. just to quickl

let's bring in our legal analyst paul callan and joey jackson. first of all, paul, do you believe that these young girls, now likely women, will come forward and seek some sort of a settlement? >> they may. but bear in mind, the statute of limitations, these are 40-year-old incidents, probably the statute has expired. he's publicly outed himself here. so the embarrassment is gone. i mean, he's admitted to it already. i don't think he'd have a lot of leverage to get a settlement. >> what about civil lawsuits, joey? do you think one of these girls could perhaps say what he's saying, the guilt of what i did has really led to all of the problems i've had in my life, do you think one of these now young women could come forward and say, yeah, well, it wasn't just you, it was me and seek some sort of compensation? >> it's always a problem, deb. i think based upon what paul was talking about, it's very difficult. there are statute of limitations out there for the expressed purpose of corroborating something, making sure that the evidence is not too stale

i want to bring in the legal view here, "hln" legal analyst and defense attorney joey jackson and also criminal defense attorney heather hansen. heather, i turn to you first. i know that a lot of people had said if that toxicology comes back and that child was drugged, it's finished. but is it finished the opposite way, that he wasn't drugged? >> it doesn't exonerate him. and in fact, had there been drugs in his system, there could have been explanation for that. there's so much other evidence here, ashleigh. for a grand jury which is what they're preparing for now, as everyone says, you can indict a ham sandwich. the evidence they have is certainly going to put him over the edge. >> it's very strong. a lot of it circumstantial but very strong stuff. >> most of it circumstantial but enough. >> joey jackson, i'm just going to put you before a jury right now. what jury have you ever known that could make a leap to yeah, i could buy that a father would just allow his child, over the course of seven hours, to bake to death slowly so he could have a child-free life? >> honestly, very few. b

i want to bring in our legal analysts joey jackson and dan. and and why we continue to repiet -- there is there. you know something, i'm so glad that you're here today, lisa, particularly -- this is a strange nexus to make, but i will make it. >> go ahead. >> the injustice that has come about as some people say in some of these very highly publicized trials and the reporting of those trials sort of reminded me that that is not at all what happened in the courtroom. she did not look at a jury and say pity me i'm an orphan. but if you weren't inside that courtroom or watching responsible news, you would think she was begging a jury to let her off because she's a kennedy who had an assassinated dad. >> i think these profile cases go both ways. certainly we as the media pay more attention. and jurors bepd over backwards to favor a celebrity because many of us have stars in our eyes when it comes to celebrities, or they can go in the "new york post" direction saying she's trying to get away with something because she's a wealthy person and a high p

. >> i want to bring in our legal expert on this case, joey jackson. something that's been really bothering me about this case. if a college kid right now is watching or a parent of a college kid is watching, what do you tell your child? what advice can you give them to, "a," make sure they report what happens and make sure they can protect their pry variesty if it is going to destroy their lives. to think about what happened to this girl is just awful. i get what the university is saying with regard to the medical issues, that they want to respect her medical privacy. that arguments carries muster. there is a privilege that attaches and certainly, you want to be frank with any medical professional that evaluates you. however, when it gets to the issue that if it is true this girl, this young woman said to her academic adviser, ashley, that this rape occurred. that triggers a reporting requirement. certainly, any young woman that is raped or anything else, it is not something you always want to talk about. rape victims wait and come back years later, b

. >> michelle turner reporting for us, joey jackson analyzing for us as a lawyer and good one at that. am i calling you if i'm brad pitt and say do something about this. >> something has to be done. it's not even only brad pitt. the message has to be sent it's unacceptable. he has a history, this nut, of doing this to people. what if he had a knife or something more serious. that's why it needs to be pursuened apursue en ed and with vigor. a simple misdemeanor, battery, $2,000 fine, up to six months in jail. it could have been really detrimental and really serious. >> if you're brad's camp and any other guys who had to deal with this guy before, will smith, et cetera, are you looking to file assault charges so there is a criminal record and more than a piece of paper, is far more strong. >> absolutely. brad pitt is a wonderful person, a gentleman, i'm sure, doesn't want to push anything or anything else. the message needs to be sent. brad pitt continued to sign autographs. just because brad pitt wasn't hurt. it was a crime because he touched him and offensive. in order to send a messa

barbara starr is live at the pentagon, also here, hln legal analyst joey jackson and dani savalless. barbara, all of a sudden why the speed? this is not -- it's not like president obama didn't say this several, many years ago, why all of a sudden right now? >> well, i think they see an opportunity right now, sources are telling us, maybe another five to ten detainees by the end of the year and five or six more in the early weeks of next year. president obama, as you say, ashleigh, continues to try and find a way to get the population down to the lowest possible numbers at guantanamo bay, trying to show that it is just too expensive to keep it open. he's got a lot of congressional opposition. but he really showed his hand in an interview with -- in an exclusive interview with our own candy crowley last week. have a listen to what the president had to say. >> will guantanamo bay prison be closed down by end of next year? >> i'm going to be doing everything i can to close it. >> it is something that continues to inspire jihadists and extremists around the world, the fact that these folk

dan dan danny savalos and joey jackson. >> what has to has been here is there will be multiple priorities that are balanced that on the one hand there is a life that's lost here and that's tragic. and we all need to be concern a bt that. particularly when the fire department is on notice and it could have been avoided. so that becomes problematic and supported the plaintiff. on the other hand, the other priority is to the people in that plane. how many other lives could have been lost. this is not a situation which is very stable, it's fluid, and it's out of control. and that's why the chaos of the moment also weighs heavily, too were for defending the firefighters in terms of what happened here. how did this happen? it could be explained by virtue of the nature of the surrounding circumstances. should it of happened? no. and those are the priorities that are going to have to be balanced as the lawsuit unfolds. >> and danny, i think that's a really key issue. the fog of emergency. look, no one wants another person to die. they're all there to prevent exactly what happened. yet you hear th

joey jackson and paul cal lan join me now. it's so rare someone would take something this small all the way -- especially if you're a public figure. you would think get rid of it. plead it down. you know, and you can certainly plead these ones down. why -- what's -- what do you think the reason is behind her decision to do this, and then ultimately end up as a big case on television and in the papers? >> i think there are two reasons. one, it's a pragmatic reason. if she pleads guilty, which is the only alternative, if you don't want to go to trial, she'll lose her driver's license for a period of time, and she does a lot of driving up in westchester. so she doesn't want to lose her driver's license. secondly, i think if it's a public image thing. if she pleads guilty to this and admits that she knowingly took this sleeping pill while she was driving, i think it damages her public image. interestingly, she has hired gerald leftcourt, who is famous for representing the black panthers and he was -- represented a lot of radicals

joey jackson, thank you. pamela, thank you. good reporting on that as well. >> yes, thank you. >>> up next, some new details about how u.s. commandos nabbed the alleged mastermind behind the benghazi attack. wouldn't you want to be a fly on the wall as those special ops forces grabbed that guy in his own country? he's no longer on libyan soil, but he's not in the united states either. the intelligence gathering, the takedown, and what happens to him now, all from people who have been in that exact situation before. coming up next. ♪ led to the one jobhing you always wanted. at university of phoenix, we believe every education- not just ours- should be built around the career that you want. imagine that. this is mike. his long race day starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve... ...for all day relief. "start your engines" [ male announcer ] it's one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn't even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow's innovators. w

joey jackson, aren't we smarter as a human race? aren't we smarter to be able to come up with something that doesn't actually inflict this kind of pain, thus making it unnecessary? >> here's the issue. i know you want to do an hour-long special on this very issue so we can really delve into the death penalty. however what is the humane way to kill someone? is it -- do we feel better as a society if we inject them with a needle? do we feel better if we hang them? do we feel better if we elect electrocute them and allow fire to shoot out of their head as we saw in florida with old sparky. if there is a death penalty, 32 states have it, what is the proper and appropriate way and method it should be applied? i think the argument could be made that no method is humane because someone's dying. we saw in oklahoma recently, right, where, of course, the person -- >> because of the -- >> rising up -- >> i will remind everyone early and often that these men or women are not there because they were singing too loudly in charge. then again, some

shelly sterling's lawyer says he did, in fact, sign up for those. >> joey jackson, while it is not good form to call people tramps and drunks, does it rise to the level of anything criminal? does it implicate him in a bad way? or is it just great television? >> first, you thought -- or you would think that he may know better, right? there are people would record these things. when you leave them on voice mails, you certainly know at that point everything's being recorded. >> privacy issues aside -- >> the issue is how imminent is the harm and the danger. what do you really feel? interestingly enough, in this instance, they made it a civil matter wherein shelly attempted to get an order of protection regarding her lawyer and of course the doctors. it would be interesting if they would have called the police instead and said, oh, my goodness, my life is in darker, i can't believe it, need to get you. and then of course an investigation would have been -- miguel is not impressed. >> there's a lot of drama here. last word quickly. >> sterling threatening donald that way, it just doesn't sou

i want to bring back my commentator panel, mel robbins and joey jackson. so i think the opening line, silence is not always golden. maybe silence is not always the way to go. from a pr standpoint, maybe. but when you're getting into something like this, is there anything else that bill cosby could have done in that interview? >> well, he could have hit it head-on. it's certainly more compelling when someone says, it's absolutely not true. i have never, ever been charged with a crime, end of story. that's it. but by him shaking his head and the impish thing, i find the whole thing, frankly, disgusting. >> which part? >> which part? the fact that there are 13 known women that were named in the lawsuit that was brought in 2005. the fact that simon from npr was apologizing on twitter after he had to ask the question. the fact that people are standing up and giving bill cosby a standing ovation over the weekend when you have no less than four women that have come forward, given interviews, they have nothing to gain, ashleigh. in fact, they have everything to lo

legal analyst paul callan and analyst joey jackson. i need to take a deep breath guys before i begin this. you know how i feel. i think you feel the same way. here's what i need to ask you. that prosecutor said the affluenza defense was a dumb idea. i think it was a brilliant idea and it worked. that kid got off scot-free. will it ever, ever work again paul callan? >> no. i don't think it will work again. anybody who was stupid enough to use the word affluenza will find his client carted off to jail. the prosecutor is dead wrong. it worked very effectively in this case. it was a stupid thing to say, but the expert convinced the judge this kid despite killing four human beings and critically injuring two others gets no jail time. >> poor kids, well they don't get to experience affluenza. can you somehow think somewhere down the line some defense attorney will be able to say, his parents didn't teach him right from wrong either? ps, would anybody listen to that in the first place? >> you know what, ashleigh, being an effective judge, you

joining me live, legal analyst joey jackson and cnn legal analyst paul callan. my first question would be, if these people are selling this product on the internet and they're based here in the united states, they're in big trouble, you would think, are they not? >> absolutely. what was your question, if they're here in the united states. just to segue a little bit, ashleigh, a lot of questions arise because it's the world wide web and the united states can only regulate that which it has jurisdiction other. having products that are false or misleading or deceptive and can harm people, it's problematic. the larger issue are those products that emanate from elsewhere that we don't have jurisdiction over, and that's the major issue that's involved here, ashleigh. >> and if that is the issue, effectively, this young woman, think her product came from brazil. >> it was postmarked brazil, yes. >> no recourse, no civil action that she can launch that she can never collect upon anyway. criminally speaking, what's america going to do? >> she really has no remedy at all.

so for the "legal view" i want to bring in mel robbins and hln legal analyst joey jackson. start with you, what do you think the future holds for someone like darren wilson? because this is someone who, while he's not -- he hasn't been indicted there's still two other investigations under way. he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit by the brown family. what are the options for him? >> the chapters have not been fully written and the reason for that is we saw the grand jury and their action of the grand jury, but there's the federal investigation and there's two federal investigations under way remember. one federal investigation involving him, did he violate the civil rights of michael brown by his actions and then the second layer of that, pam, really concerns the police department itself as far as its past practices, what they're doing, the history, if any, of any type of discriminatory conduct. they will look at that. the other layer to this, pam, is the civil litigation involving wrongful death, that is the family of michael brown, going after this officer as well

"hln" legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, joey jackson. i just want to open the floor and let you two go because this is awesome. but first before i get to rick perry, how is this woman still actually practicing and sitting in office? >> joey jackson, how many times have you stopped by dui court and you see a lawyer buddy who practices civil, and you say hey, what are you doing here? and they're all sheepish. >> they're reluctant to tell you. then their lawyer comes in and goes aha, that's what's going on. more people have duis than you could ever imagine. they keep it quiet. and lawyers are not immune to this. however, prosecutors do have a heightened duty in that they take an office, whether they're elected or an assistant district attorney to take that office that prosecute -- there's clearly a conflict of interest issue here. in different jurisdictions, i've seen different things. some stay on the job. others resign. others have an attorney general take over the prosecution. it's all over the board. >> so this d.a. was caught on tape s

i want to bring in legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and cedric alexander the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. dr. alexander, let me begin with you, if i could. there is this prevailing thought, it seems, especially among the black community who may be fearful of police, and probably for good reason, certainly the medias has not helped out in terms of what they've been seeing a lot of lately, that they can say no to a police officer when a police officer asks for some kind of compliance, show me i.d. get out of the vehicle, get on the sidewalk. can you clear it up what is all of our responsibility no matter what when a police officer asks us to do something. >> i don't know if i can clear it up for you, but i can hopefully provide some insight so we can all start thinking about this. it is clear and evident over the last couple of months, post-the michael brown shooting, in particular, we've seen a number of incidents of police and community interactions that have not been of what we would prefer to see and certainly h

. >> joey jackson is here. cnn and hln legal analyst. now we have this monkey wrench so to speak. it seemed so simple for prosecutors before. and now we have a mother doing the same kinds of what sounds like damning searches on the internet. what are they looking for to make this more supportive of their case as opposed to any worried parent might do that? >> one very big thing. what do we call it? motive. right. does he have or she have some other agenda here as to why they would want this baby gone? tough story to talk about. >> awful. >> even in talking about this, and you hit the nail on the head, we were speaking off camera, as ashleigh and i often do, and what you said it depends certainly, the search warrant that has been conducted and the search he made on the computer, the proximity of time. were these searches that were done when the baby was just born or are these searches the last week, the week before? why is it important, why is it important? it's relevant, it's important, because it goes to show if you're a prosecutor, was there some plotting, was there some premedi

. >> here with me is hln legal analyst is joey jackson and back with us is criminal profiler pat brown. joey, first to you. there are so many things i could ask you about in this case, the possibility of it being terror-related, the possibility of a hate crime. he's yelling "i hate white people" -- >> all great question. >> what about a potential insan si case? >> that's where he would go. but the problem is how viable it would be. that puts the onus on the oklahoma prosecutors to show you were sane. but there's a lot that goes against that like what? like the issue of premeditation that speaks to murder, like the radicalization or if he learned these islamic teachings when he was in jail. and the plotted and just premeditated nature of the attack, certainly his attorney is going to be arguing that he lost it at that particular moment. but as you know, we've spoken about this many times, insanity defense is used but not used to great success. >> no, it's often very unsuccessful. and it's hard for a jury to say not guilty. that's ultimately what it means, not guilty by reason of insanit

the legal view, i want to bring back in danny and hln legal analyst joey jackson. let's be real clear this wouldn't be happening in the united states of america. >> it would not. why? because they wouldn't allow the camera in the first place to do any type of documentaries. if we were talking about jodi air arias that's different but it wouldn't be an issue because they wouldn't allow a documentary to take place in the united states. >> why is this a problem if this is something that's going to be adjudicated in mexico. are we really that concerned or the family that concerned of jury tainting? >> the supreme court has made it crystal clear that putting -- ours not the mexican, i'm not up on my mexican supreme court case law but ours are said that putting gag orders on the media is an extraordinary remedy should almost never be used and that actually comes from a 1994 supreme court case involving cbs. so -- >> really? >> there is precedence for this. you add that to the fact this may be a mexican court and that becomes completely meaningless to our system. in other

>> i want to bring in mel robbins, danny cevallos and joey jackson. danny, i'll start with you this time. he said, i was just doing my job. what is your reaction to that? do you think he could have done anything differently? >> number one, very well-coached. that's the right response to the question because it's a trick question. consider yourself in officer wilson's position. he's been at the center of this massive controversy for what he believes was a righteous killing and what a grand jury concluded was also a righteous kill. and i don't mean to use those words glibly. but that's often how it's referred to in the law enforcement business. now after this no true bill, people are demanding, we want an apology. and in his mind, what he probably wants to say is, for what? but he needs to be sensitive and he has to respond to that question carefully because, does he regret it? i have to imagine he does, someone is dead. but on the other hand, there are many people watching him, scrutinizing his words, to look for civil liability and other kinds of liab

all right, mel robins, danny cevallos, joey jackson, i'm not done. i'm going to say this, the law, sure, the procedure, sure, the spirit, sure. but this dude he may have won the battle, but that dude -- well, i think you could say he's lost the war on dating because i am going to put that picture up everywhere i can. that guy's out there with his camera. he's not going to be behind bars where i dare say he might get more action than he's going to get now. and i'll tell you something else, he got a shot at justice. he got his shot at you. but he's not really going to get a shot at the ladies. >> but because of him, the law's going to be changed, ashleigh. and as a result women will be protected. and that is a very good thing. >> i'm on the side of the ladies on this one. gentlemen. >> so are we. >> love you to piece. thank you both. thank you everybody for joining me on this program today. we have a lot more coverage on world events as well as what's happening here in america. wolf, my colleague, starts right after this break. ♪ ♪ ♪ told ya you