. >>> we're back now with chris, keith and catherine. and scott, excuse me. but i'm going to start with catherine. so he's successfully baited trump on charlottesville. >> this is the largest fan base that ran on a aernlt trump campaign. she won the popular vote but not the presidency. so i think it's risky. i will say it has served biden surprisingly well and maybe there are a few reasons for that. none of the other candidates are aiming their message squarely at trump in the same way biden is. so biden's not going to stand out. but maybe they'll succeed in baiting trump and trump has certainly taken the bait here. he made him relive what is arguably the lowest point in his presidency a battle for america's soul. listen to this. >> we're reminded again. >> i really believe that. donald trump is the only president who's decided. have to choose hope over fear. unity over division. maybe most importantly truth over lies. >> so this kind of similar to what i ask catherine. is this the message biden should be focusing on or are american's minds made up when it comes to trump's character? >>

. my responsibility, and i'll meet it. >> so let's discuss now keith boykin is here, joe lockhart and jennifer grand holm. today's video is the fourth time the biden folks have tried to put a rest to concerns about the way he interacts with people. do you think it's going to work? >> yeah, i think this is the one. it'd take several tries and it's a little bit surprising it took this. i thought earlier in the week he ought to just have picked up not -- the phone and talked to the woman directly, ms. flores. but i think it will work. i think there's a large reservoir of goodwill towards joe biden among democrats, but the really interesting thing to me is that we're watching a cultural norm, the line being drawn in realtime in front of us. and putting joe biden aside, putting the democratic politics aside, this is a really good thing in the end because people now are aware and mostly men are becoming aware in sometimes painful ways that the things they think are innocuous to women are not innocuous, and if it means a politician has a really tough week or someone doesn't win some camp

, also his inaugural committee. they've interviewed people like keith schiller, like hope hicks. schiller was his bodyguard, and hope hicks was an assistant of some sort, a press person. do you think that this presents a bigger danger to the president than the mueller investigation has more exposure here? >> i don't know what the fact are. he has more exposure in the sense that the mueller investigation, even though some people thought it crossed red lines and the president was always upset about that investigation, it was related to interference in the election and potential involvement in the trump campaign, and one of which was obstruction. congress does not have any circumspection. it can look at finance abuse, as it is with the michael cohen case they're overseeing. if the president has done wrong in some of these other aspects of his life, like the trump organization or the inaugural committee or something else, then the southern district of new york is free to look at all those things. i still think they have the constraint that a lot of people don't like -- >> from the d

? do you agree with what keith said? >> i do. i've heard the president over to make this point approximately 12,000 times. this is somewhat to candidates and also to the democratic voters. which is we are in this to get something done. and we should push as hard for the cause we care about. it's not to tweet. but it is to work with in the process when you get into office. and that may require getting something via compromise or in multiple steps. and sometimes progress happens in fits and starts. a robust debate is very important. in this primary. it's not just okay. it's necessary to have having a strong nominee. we can't be in the world -- it is important that debate happens in a way unwhich the candidates don't burn bridges that make it hard for the party. to come together in the fall. >> remember thal shalt not speak ill of any republicans. after surviving a particularly nasty primary. do you think democrats need to take a page from the republican play book. especially when you have a field of this large. remember, it was 18 people or 17? >> we have 18 candidates currently.

on his inaugural committee. they've interviewed people like keith schiller, hope hicks, people close to the president. hope hix was obviously an assistant of some sort and a press person. do you think this presents a bigger danger to the president than the mueller investigation, has more exposure here? >> i don't know what the facts are. he has more exposure in the sense that the mueller investigation even though some people thought it crossed red lines and the president was always upset about that investigation, it was su circumscribed. the southern district of new york kind of like congress does not have any scircumscription about what it can look at. so in a sense that if the president has done wrong in some of these other aspects of his lifelike the trump organization or inaugural committee then the southern district of new york is free to look at all of those things. but it does not mean that they can investigate people including those related to the president and associated to the president and his businesses and otherwise erin his administration up to and including the preside

now with chris, keith and catherine. and scott, excuse me. i forgot. didn't mean to. but i'm going to start with catherine. so he's successfully baited trump on charlottesville. and labor workers. you think is a risky strategy? how so. hilary ran an antitrump campaign in 2016. it didn't serve her well. she won the popular vote but not the presidency. so i think it's risky. i will say it has served biden surprisingly well and maybe there are a few reasons for that. he has to stand out somehow. none of the other candidates are aiming their message squarely at trump in the same way biden is. so biden's not going to stand out. be being the left most or freshest face. or the oldest in the race. but maybe they'll succeed in baiting trump and trump has certainly taken the bait here. he made him relive what is arguably the lowest point in his presidency a battle for america's soul. listen to this. >> we're reminded again. woe are in battle. for america's soul. i believe that. >> i really believe that. donald trump is the only president who's decided. have to choose hope over fear. unity ov

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