and kristin helberg is a featured mideast analyst a number of european publications she points out. hi yes is militarily defeated but not ideologically the west must help the kurds in dealing with the jocks. a warm welcome to all of you and to those of you joining us from around the world kristin if we could -- let's start with you you've also written two books about this topic about hi yes about syria. you spend a lot of time in the country let's get a a demographic of our average i. s. fighter jihadists who is he and what drew him. to fight in syria to fight in iraq well it's not that easy because behind the one thousand fifty german i as fighters that i'll one thousand personal stories. they are quite young the majority of them they have radicalized very quickly usually over the internet. so some of them are converts german citizens convert some of them are migration of they have a migration background in germany but i think what generalizes them would be that they feel a limit at elated from german society that felt that this is not the country this would be. from women for exam