to liz love who many of you know for coverage outside of rome. liz, we know you've spent quite a bit of time in notre dame. you're a historian. we just heard sarah talk about there are first responders going in trying to save what they can. explain to us, in terms of the artwork, what's at stake here? >> well, i think on this day, we're all sort of mourning together. one of the first things that comes to mind, this is one of the reasons that comes to our churches a mixture of human solving and everything single thing about that church is a work of art. already, the extraordinary design that was innovation for the first time. we have the first buttresses for example, in notre dame. the first time they could open up walls by supporting them on the outside, making that beautiful tendril effect that people love to see. as a matter of fact, you've been watching the smoke billow around those tendrils. on the interior of the church, despite revolutions, despite being emptied up as a temple of region in the french refusvolut, that church has been everything from its choir where teams of fran

duly elected president of the united states. that could be treason. >> that was liz cheney third highest prp in the house, dangerous accusation of a failed coup. only one member of trump's own party has come out publicly against him, congressman amash from michigan. a few weeks ago he said the president engaged in impeachable conduct. today he set his sights on bill barr in a tweet. attorney general barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of mueller's report and decisions in the investigation. he ends with this. barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president's false narrative to the american people. this will continue if those who have read the report did not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth. joining our conversation, former chief spokesman department of justice matt miller back from parts unknown. i want to get you on all of that. first of all, liz cheney worked at the state department. she knows a coup. calling fbi and justice department people who engaged in a coup is really dangerous stuff. >> really dangerous. in

leadership in the house, liz cheney of wyoming, whether she thinks the world is more stable since donald trump became commander in chief. joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson, helene cooper, pentagon correspondent for "the new york times," former republican governor of north carolina, pat mccrory, and former senator from missouri, democrat claire mccaskill. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. to quote the great yogi berra, it's getting late early out there. yes, there were still ten candidates at thursday's debate, and yes, there may be even more at the next one, but for now at least, it feels as if we have a top three. bernie sanders, joe biden, and elizabeth warren. true, there are still 141 days until the first votes are cast in iowa, but if anything, the gap between the front-runners and the rest of the field only seemed to grow on thursday even with biden dominating the party

about it. laura barone lopez. we welcome liz goodwin here with us in new york. liz, i'd like to begin with you. do you agree with our perception this week that this as an issue has vaulted to the front of the line also part and parcel of our health care discussion? >> yeah, absolutely. you can really see that in new hampshire this week. kamala harris had an event to roll out a new proposal on assault weapons. that was her focus. that's what she wanted to talk about. and alabama just kind of ripped through the week and every single candidate has had to scramble to respond. and in some cases, i think it is not the most -- it is not the debate they would desire right now, but it is one that is, you know, obviously energizing democratic primary voters. it is very important to the party and in general. >> well, laura, let's start on liz's last point, and that is no one was looking for or expecting this to jump to the head of the line. but now it's firmly a political issue. as a matter of politics, we get that these are supreme court bound test cases. as a matter of politics, though, pick y

joined by someone leading that very charge. the republican party's national spokesperson, liz harrington, from the rnc, and a legal expert who, as you know, if you watch this program, has previously advocated for the legal case for the impeachment of donald trump, former prosecutor, john flannery. thanks to both of you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> good to be here. >> liz, i will start with the straightforward question. are the republicans still asking for foreign help to get trump re-elected? >> i would ask the democrats. because we spent two and a half years debating that very question, right? >> well, i'll tell you what, i'll make you a deal. >> it was all about the democratic dossier. >> if you ever host "the beat," you can invite guests on and ask them questions. but i'm asking you, because your president went out in public and said, yeah, of course i asked ukraine for help. is that still the way you want to win re-elections? >> is nancy pelosi stimprll prag and taking this very solemnly when she's going on late-night tv and yucking it up about taking our votes in 2016

republicans really going to make up this witch hunt argument. you saw liz cheney defending alexander vindman saying this n this man is a patriot. you think they will still side with the president? >> yes, this is what liz cheney will ultimately say. but what the president did is not impeachment. i hope this is like nixon. what happened in the clinton impeachment, and i know a lot of people think the president should not be impeached, it started with white water, a land dma deal in arkansas. it moved to paula johnsons, monica lewinsky, and linda trip. then they said we don't have any minority rights because of the independent council. you're vochoking off the abilit to defend. the sentencing should be lesser than impeachment. i'm afraid that we're living in an environment that looks more like that. the optimist of me looks at six senators on the other side of the capital. mitt romney, lamar alexander, mike lee, and ben sass. i think if you could get five or more senators to say on a clean article of impeachment, it may say the president tries to influence the 2020 election, by asking

national constitution center and liz holtzman who was involved in the watergate trials, the watergate hearings. i go es the examples that i have been looking for in terms of a president extending executive privilege over everything, not even specifics. but everything having to do within with an investigation into that president is something that prior administrations approached with caution and care. what's the feeling at the white house about this? >> that this is the right move for them. they will point to past instances where presidents haven't heard of the executive order or executive privilege i should say in order to protect certain materials. i do think it's important to explain what we are talking about here. people ask the question the mueller report is already out, at least it's unredacted version. that's not what the white house is trying to do here, there are tons of pieces of evidence, the stuff used in essence to compile that mueller report, that is what the executive privilege is on, in addition to the full unredacted mueller report, the white house has a legal argument

, for the fist, the first sitting u.s. senator, richard blumenthal. and liz winstall. we're bringing out the air horns. >> apparently, that is exciting. it became very clown like in here. a circus environment. >> senator, thank you for taking this risk. >> i'm a little disappointed already, i do comedy, too. >> i didn't know that, is that a joke? >> that's a joke, i'm one of the unfunniest people you will ever meet. we're going to do one more air r the first u.s. senator here. what do you think of that? >> the timing was horrible, first of all, the last one you nailed it. here's the thing, you listen, observe, horn. >> liz, who needs to fall back this week? >> i think -- i don't even know if it's a fallback, i guess it is. kanye needs to fall back for his feckless valentine's day gift to kim kardashian. the video was super bizarre. they took the garage and then he went to a gas station and got all the roses. and then put them on the ground. >> who is that playing? >> had kenny g come. and all of this feels like -- fall, don't go to the gas station to get the roses because that's for

report is out to begin investigating all sorts of things, much more openly than they have. to liz' point, the context of impeachment and putting in a narrative of what happened -- what did the president do? is he lying about now? so -- >> right. >> i think one of the key things to start out with is you don't have to commit a crime to have an impeachable offense. the second article was about abuse of power. it did not talk about crime. the first article did not mention criminal code. we don't need that. what people have to understand is that yes, right now you have outlines of impeachable offenses. congress has to do is strategically fill in the facts. it's like you have the outline of a puzzle, put the facts in. they are not doing that yet. >> we should say that the house oversight committee had a big public hearing, the first of its kind talking about calling other people. felix sater is going to be testifying publicly. part of the issue to your point, liz, there is no committee and central warehouse and to your point, dan, impeachment provides a narrative frame work because the

liz holtsman, she co-authored that 1978 specific prosecutor law, she is also author of the case of "case for impeaching trump." you think this is important right now, there are ways, things that happened, that we cannot be forced to see because of the way the law was written. >> tallahassee right, we had just seen water gate. the president tried to take -- refusing to turn over information to the special prosecutor, and so and having influence by the white house into the department of justice, and the department of justice investigation, the president cannot control the investigation into him. we're private citizens, we can't pick our prosecutor, oh, you want to investigate me? out. we can't do that as ordinary people, and the president judge council, so it wouldn't be appointed by the attorney general. accountable to the president, the attorney general could not interfere with the conduct. >> why did that change? >> it expired every five years and it had to be reenacted and that was a protection. you wanted congress to make sure that law was fine tuned so we didn't get into troubl

content that's going to be redacted. >> let's bring in ken da layny and liz holtsman, former democratic congresswoman. ken, a lot of news coming out of that hearing. i got to imagine the biggest take away was this biggest reference to spying in the campaign. >> yeah. that was a remarkable moment, guys. you don't often hear u.s. law enforcement officials refer to lawfully predicated surveillance in a campaign as spying. it seems reasonable to infer, he was echoing long time republican talking points including those of his boss, president trump, because he declined to distance himself from those really inflammatory comments that the president made just moments before barr sat down to testify. where trump called the investigation a witch-hunt. he said the fbi people were guilty of treason. barr did not distance himself from that. he said he's conducting a review of the origins of the russia investigation. it's one thing to raise questions about whether all the rules were followed. but he went beyond that. he compared what happened to the vietnam era spying abuses by the fbi, tha

, democratic senator mark warner of virginia, and republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. >>> also, not accurate. >> now to this new bombshell report -- >> explosive new report. >> bombshell new report about the president. >> the special counsel's office shoots down a story claiming president trump ordered michael cohen to lie to congress about the moscow/trump tower project. >> i think that the buzzfeed piece was a disgrace to our country. >> were journalists too willing to report a story they cannot confirm? joining me for insight and analysis, joshua johnson, host of npr. peter baker. and nbc news national political record. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. believe it or not, it was two years ago today that donald trump took the oath of office. solemnly swearing to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. ultimately, the president's fate will be decided by the voters next year, or perhaps

interfere in the upcoming presidential election. >> i just got this, i should have read it before. liz cheney, one of the top three republicans in the house, a very strong national security person, as her father was, clearly, she said now that the president's interference in the hearings this morning by putting out that tweet attacking yovanovitch was wrong and she said, basically she's a public servant of the united states for decades, i don't think the president should have done that. she speaks for a lot of the hawkish people, the national 1k50u security people, the john bolton people. there is a schism in the republican party between old line hawks, if you will, and this president, who doesn't have a foreign policy except he's very pro-russian. >> she also served with yovanovitch. liz cheney was in the george w. bus bush/dick cheney state department and likely intercepted with ambassador yovanovitch. i don't know that, but liz cheney was a senior state department official and marie yovanovitch had hardship postings in the kinds of countries where a lot of foreign policy as it rises

reporter for politico. and liz holtzman, former democratic congress woman who voted for articles of impeachment against president richard nixon. she is currently counsel at the law firm finestein. heidi, let me start with you. you have reported on the strategy that democrats are deciding to be very accessible and understandable to the public. >> right, ali. they are looking very tightly at what the founders laid out as the conditions for any impeachment of a united states president, for the conditions of what really constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors. and really, by their definition, it could be any of these things that we outlined there in terms of the abcs, the abuse of power, the betrayal, the corruption. but in this case, they say that we've already seen public evidence of all three. and that's not to say what is going to come of these private hearings where we're only getting drips and drabs and pieces out of the private hearings, which would then be transferred into a public setting and laid out for the public. it won't be until that case is then presented to the judicia

congresswoman elizabeth hoelts man that voted to impeach nixon. liz, let's pick up where jeff left off. what form will this take? he said it has to be fast and focused. you and i saw something last week that looked like testimony having to do with impeachment. and i think a lot of people were left puzzled by what's that versus what this is going to be. >> what happened last week was a typical committee meeting. pretty incoherent, not focused, the difference was you had counsel at the end asking some questions. that's not going to solve the problem of getting the narrative of what happened to the american people. if you go back to watergate, the most successful impeachment process ever brought against a president, before the house acted you had a senate select committee that had seven people. house judiciary committee has over 40. senate select committee had seven senators, four democrats, three republicans, and they had a staff. the way the committee meetings were held, they first had witnesses come before, they interviewed witnesses beforehand. the staff did. sometimes senators were there.

did that? >> those remarks prompted liz cheney to call for king's ouster, saying the comments are appalling and bizarre, adding it's time for him to go. he has long history of making offensive remarks. al earlier this year, he was stripped of his committee assignments. he was issued a rare rebuke, after he seemingly defended white supremacy. joining me now is jeremy peters and susan paige is back with us. jeremy, why haven't kevin mccarthy, steve scalise considered expulsion. >> the republican party behaves this way when one of their members -- >> not liz cheney. >> right. >> absolutely strong and fierce on this. she was when he made his comments about white supremacy. it take as woman in the republican caucus and leadership to speak out when the men won't? >> apparently it does. her comments saying he has to go is striking. we haven't seen something like that from the republican leadership about him or about other members of congress in the republican party who have said offensive things. i think that's a significant step here. i think that, you know, as far as democrats are conc

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, and liz plank, host of vox's consider it. what do you think? >> it's about time. welcome to the party. he's a terrible president. we all know it. he has any sort of moral gravity that republicans have had is trying to be the party of family values he has systematically and frankly brazenly erode their ability to claim that moral high ground. so i'm not particularly optimistic that this will work in the sense that part of what i see trump doing is look, we're having gun threats every day. he's still backing off key pieces of legislation and part of what he's doing is whipping up his base almost it seems to incite them if this election doesn't go his way they should be violent in the aftermath. that is very scary to me. so the republicans need to do a lot of work and very swiftly and part of what they need to do is begin to speak to the fears of sth their constituency. >> i would agree also, this is a real test social lodgecally even because up to this point, he has been able to implement racism and race-baiting. but when it comes to these elections even amongst some in his base,

times" best seller author, gary shteyngart and also with me is liz plank. she interviewed prime minister justin trudeau, which won her a shorty award. what a great fallback we have there. >> this is the mother of all fallbacks. >> who is the father? that's a good question. >> you're the dad. >> well, i do tell dad jokes. i love your music, love that you're here. who needs to fall back? >> lori loughlin, the nerve of her to think she should let her privilege have her signing autographs outside of court. she should be ashamed of herself. she should fall all the way back. >> so you're saying if you were going there to face charges of helping your kid steal other students' seats, you shouldn't sign autographs? >> she should have out. >> it's aunt becky. it's very disappointing. as a former fan of becky, it's been a fall from grace for me personally. >> who is on your list? >> julian assange and that weird white beard of his. he should fall back right to prison. sorry. >> as a novelist, what do you see in the story here? >> people these days think it's cool to work with russian intel

. >> potentially. >> and joining us is liz goodwin of the "boston globe," and charlie savidge from the washington post and legal contribute for msnbc. and so, charlie, you first, the new phase of the impeachment inquiry, and what do you think? >> well, i am interested in the whole pushback that is not just the white house, but the trump allies and we saw a letter from devin nunez demanding testimony from nelly orr and others and so lindsey graham says if you don't put that in there, it is a sham. so we won't have peaceful testimony on wednesday and friday as the public hearings start. i expect the republicans will do everything they can to turn it tone into a circus, and rancor, and it is going to be a turbulent ride going forward. >> charlie, six on the record confirmations of the quid pro quo, and so how is this going to be playing out on television and the people can hear for themselves those on the witness stand say it? >> well, yo will have the competing storylines, and you will have this wasn't an extortion slash solicitation of the bribe which is what we mean when we say quid pr

i don't mind sitting there as long as it takes. >> and joining me liz goodwin, deputy bureau chief of "boston globe" and charlie savage, the correspondent of "the new york times" and msnbc contributor. okay. guys, start right now, as i thank you for being here where things stand on both sides of the aisle. how are, liz, the democrats and the republicans preparing for the second phase of the process, and who do you think is feeling more bolstered and hasn't mitch mcconnell suggested that he wants to keep any trial to two weeks in length? >> yeah. so the second phase of the process first is going to go over to the judiciary committee, and we will finally see what articles of impeachment the democrats have decided on. and i think that going into that, the democrats feel like they have a strong hand, you know, in terms of the hearings, they actually got some new revelations that they were not expecting to get out of them like the official who came forward and said that he had overheard the call between president trump and gordon sondland and then sondland's testimony was far better for

ieri. >> jeff bennett, thank you, busy day for him. i want to bring in liz holtsman. author of "case for impeaching trump." also joining us is a former federal prosecutor that worked with robert mueller, liz, what was going on in the house intel compete there with the folks calling for kevin nunes's resz ig nati -- resignation. >> you mean chschiff's resignation? >> yes, sorry. >> it is an effort, on the part of the republicans in congress in trying to obstruct, i don't know what other word to use, impede, impair, andstime trying to get to the bottom of it. anything to distraction attention from the basic kpe of what did president trump know, when did he know it, and what did he do with regard to russia and with regard to obstruction of justice charges, and we're going to continue to see that. that's not what we saw in water gate. people finally came around to see that more important than party was the good of the country and many supported the effort to find the truth. >> int ya, let's talk about the report that attorney general william barr wrote about the report in which it said t

whistle-blowers. liz, you and i talked a long time about this. you covered this for us. every day more stuff about what you told me about how it went in watergate starts to become more familiar, the idea of two guys with a checkered past involved funneling money not really from them to another place, starting to look murky and checkered in entirety. >> but let's step back a second. who's calling the shots here? this is the president of the united states using two guys, checkered past, now indicted for felonies. these two people were hired with the approval of the president of the united states by rudy giuliani to carry out his personal business in ukraine, which meant corruption, which meant digging up dirt on biden, manufacturing dirt on biden, and who knows what else. to stop and think a president of the united states would have to stoop to using people who are now accused criminals, it is horrifying, disgusting. that's what's happening now. >> and it happened before. >> in watergate, the president used that, and the president got in big trouble. we've also seen the coverup. now we s

misunderstood. today republican member of congress liz cheney is among those reacting to king's take on rape and incest, writing on twitter, "today's comments by representative steve king are appalling and bizarre. as i've said before, it's time for him to go. the people of iowa's 4th congressional district deserve better." house minority leader kevin mccarthy of california was asked about king's remarks today on fox news. >> i have a great deal of problems with that. this isn't the first time i've had concerns with what steve king has said. earlier in this congress there are things that steve king said that i do not believe the party of lincoln would stand for. and as a united conference we actually removed steve king from his committees inside congress. and i think this just -- it continues to show why that action was taken. >> as mccarthy pointed out there, this is not the first go-round for king. there have been many others. >> we could also electrify this wire with the kind of current that wouldn't kill somebody but it would simply be a discouragement for them to be fooling around

saved faith. liz, you wrote an amazing on ed titled the angels are weeping over the ravages of notre dame. what is going through your mind this morning, and yesterday as you saw that spire fall? >> i think yesterday as an art lover, it was visceral. it was incredibly painful to see this work that i'd loved since a child. it was going up in smoke. this morning as an art guide, i started thinking about the preciousness of the art we have. we assume those things are always going to be there. we see a long line, i'll go in some other time. last night we realized these things are not guaranteed to be around forever. but this afternoon as an art historian, i know that church, notre dame has suffered many, many damages and problem in the past. it's been almost knocked down. it's been shot through. it's had little fires. i'm sure as an art historian that as it has come back many other times, it will come back again. >> chris jansing, you want to jump in? >> reporter: yeah. i'd love to, liz. obviously the work that is ahead to -- i'm sure there's been some smoke damage. they're doing the asse

dealing against us? what's the story here? ukraine's our ally. liz cheney called the attacks on vindman shameful. >> questioning the patriotism, the dedication to country of people like mr. vindman, lieutenant colonel vindman who will be coming today and others who have testified, it is shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation, and we should not be involved in that process. >> good for liz cheney. anyway, but rudy giuliani once again showed his without shame on twitter writing, another shifty backfire, a u.s. government employee has reportedly been advising two governments. no wonder he's confused and feels pressure. you're talking about yourself, rudy. robert, to start with you on the reporting end of this i find fascinating there is a division here between the hard right hawks like liz cheney who care mainly about our alliances in the world special about russia more than they care about the current political health of the president and those who just care about the political health of the president. there seems to be division there. >> and that division has bee

liz cheney go out with her shoulder pads on ready for attacking and blocking the news women. >> i worked with liz cheney. she follows a playbook, political playbook, in her dna from her father. the political playbook is run on this -- you want to talk about the dark underbelly of america, it's donald trump and liz cheney and everyone following in his pat. it's heinous and also idiotic politics. look at the headlines in swing states. think you will win over anyone, trump's racist tweets in america. trump is a bigot. these aren't from msnbc, these aren't from our website, from mainstream objective editorial pages in america's newspapers. >> this is smart politics if you're talking about the new york world in 1890, where all you care about is this narrow strip of constituents that will get you reelects over and over. what donald trump is doing is pitching himself into the arms of 36 million voters who apparently will let him fire a gun on 35th avenue and not care about it. that is completely divorced from great leadership and moral authority. the republicans on the senate and civil w

judges have already knocked it down. >> michael, you're off and on with our friend liz holtzman. she's written an op-ed in "the washington post." i want to read from her about how she says that the impeachment inquiry can deal with the missing -- the eyewitnesses who didn't show up. the people who didn't accept the invitation. said focusing only on ukraine suggests that trump's impeachable offenses are limited to this one matter. that approach might make it too easy for the senate and the public to say in effect that as it is, it doesn't warrant removing the president from office. the narrow focus, meaning on the ukraine issue, minimizes the fact that trump's abuses are staggering and include lining his pockets by ignoring the emoluments clause and flouting the rule of law in general. so liz is making the point that others are making. that at least some components of what we learned from the mueller report should be included in this. so as to let people know it's not just this. it's -- it's a lot of other stuff. >> sure. it absolutely undercuts the republican argument this is just one

. a very rich person in ideas. >> thank you. >> liz plank, considered a friend of "the beat." thanks for being here. >> thanks, for have something e. >> we have a rich person on desk. when it comes to aoc versus howard zhults as howard schultz, what do you think about she advanced? >> howard schutt is like ja rule organizing another music festival. no one needs this right now. it's only going to benefit donald trump, because, obviously, when we have a third party candidate, it often disadvantages democrats. >> let me say that's a sick burn the fry festival was a failure. although, howard schultz i would trust to run a gathering than a country. >> he should run the nextfi fyr festival. there we go, we found your calling. for him and aoc they haven't talked to each other if real life. but the standoff that they have is aoc is exposing the myth of the fiscal conservative but the socially liberal person. right? so you know howard schultz says he is pro, taking a stance against ace rich, refugees, pro women, pro reproductive rights, but he has fiscally conservative policies and what aoc h

democracy. thanks to all three of you for being here. liz, let me start with you. mccabe says it was the president's actions that led them to investigate. this is tricky, including possibly invoking the 25th amendment because rosenstein and mccabe would have known at the time that the minute this gets out to the media, the minute it gets out in the public, it's going to feed into president trump's narrative of a deep state and, and an fbi that's crooked. so they thought about this a lot before having some of these discussions. what do you make of the fact that the fbi was acltually looking into the president of the united states as quite possibly a traitor? >> we've never been there before. we've been in a situation before where the fbi was investigating people close to the president of the united states when that happened with nixon. we've never had a president before had to be investigated for possible treason or a conspiracy with a foreign country, or being the puppet of a foreign country. these are extremely dangerous situations. there's not -- there's no blueprint for that. i'm sure

shootings and homicides year over year. joining me is liz, founder and ceo of chicago beyond and former high school principal. thank you for joining me. it's news if chicago goes more than 24 hours without a shooting. take look at "chicago sun times" headline. chicago records 28 hours without a shooting when nearly 30 people are shot in one weekend, what is the reaction there? how do you react to this? >> i think it's the same as every chicagoan how we are all reacting that this is not only just unfortunate, it has become our new normal. i do believe as many chicagoans do, there is a way out of this and the only way out of this is for us to begin to look wholistically at solutions, everything from addressing trauma to thinking about economic opportunities in neighborhoods, providing pathways for people so we don't continue in this cycle of violence. >> what -- to what degree is this tied in with guns and gun laws? because gun laws in chicago are fairly stringent. is this something that has to happen on a socioeconomic level as opposed to a gun law level? >> yeah. so everyone knows when you t

that the third highest ranking republican liz cheney called appealing and bizarre. this is not the first controversial statement we've heard from the iowa congressman just to name a few. in 2017 he said assimilation, not diversity, is our american strength. and earlier this year he said white nationalists, white supremacists, western civilization. how did that language become offensive? and the congressman in his only public response to this so far just in the last hour while we've been on the air, he didn't take it back. he instead hit back at liz cheney for her voting record on abortion. i barely even know what to say about this, but another winner from him is "i'd like to see an america that is just so homogenous that we look a lot the same." >> chris, he says it because he believes it, and that's it. he believes it, it's a disgrace, it's disgusting, he should resign. if every republican does not come out against him and call for his resignation, it shows where they stand. >> mccarthy already said we took away his committee assignments. on the other hand you can make the argumen

talk about the canary in the coal mine. where is mitt romney? the fact that he's silent, look at liz cheney throwing out words like treason. justin amash is talking about the rule of law, he's an outcast. liz cheney is in leadership and mitt romney is in witness protection and that tells you where the republican party is right now. >> well, i think, george, is it fair to say, i guess there's just no -- there is no principles to the republican party. this was your argument of why you left. it's just a cult of penalrsonal? >> exactly. it's an interesting question. would we have this kind of behavior if we had term limits, if they were only here -- >> i go back and forth. i fear term limits because of the lobbyists don't have them. >> i used to. and then i wrote a book recanting my opposition in term limits because i think it -- term limits changes your reason for interesting politics. >> i understand why more and more think about that. what about the media enabler aspect. the fact of the matter is, the president has created this echo chamber or the echo chamber has helped facilitate hi

should be removed from liz seat. the strongest message would have been to remove him from his seat after making those comments and standing by those comments. >> he said what's wrong with white supremacy? >> completely unacceptable for any party, republicans or democrats. that ought to be unacceptable, period. the party made a move in the right direction, but it needs to be firmer, more consistent when it comes to issues of race. >> now, alex, as we move forward into the -- not only the 2022 election in virginia, the 2020 race is going to have to deal with some of these issues. we're going to talk about that. but race is not going anywhere. they accuse people of me like we keep bringing up race. if you're born in one of the race disadvantage, you might have to keep bringing it up because you're disadvantaged. >> absolutely. >> and the candidates will have to be clear on where they are on racial equality and fairness. >> and a vocabulary is not going to be sufficient. you have to have policy that really will grapple with those injustices. i think that's what you're seeing now play out. th

obama ad administration. liz, let me start with you, pompeo has been conflicting from this thing from the beginning regardless if he's now on the call. he was named in that transcript as somebody that the president asked the president of ukraine to meet with. he argued to congress that you can't intimidate my people unless they are with a state department lawyer. that's not allowed. that would be the intimidation. if somebody is called to testify with their boss' lawyer, that's the intimidation and not the way around. >> their boss' lawyer. when you hear pompeo saying they're not allowed to rent a lawyer. it is not a lawyer. >> first of all, pompeo ought to recuse himself. he's part of the parcel of what appears to be an impeachable offense and who knows if there are other criminal offense involves here. he's maybe himself violating the whistleblower rules because maybe some of the state department officials want to come forward and want to blow the whistle about the president. he's got to worry about that and he ought to remove himself and he knows better what he's doing. it is an ou

went because they felt very strongly about the monument to robert e. lee. >> well, joining me is liz plank, host of consider it and michelle goldbergings columnist and jessica garrison, senior investigative editor. thank you all for being here. just this morning trying to defend the president's comments. >> but for joe biden, when's been in public life, elected at 29, to come out and have no vision, no accountability for the obama/biden record didn't mention president obama but mentioned charlottesville and try to use it for political purposes. >> it is a simple question. >> it is not. it is a complicated topic. >> was the response perfect? >> when president trump condemned evil, violence and then took it many steps further and called out neo-nazis -- >> was his response perfection? >> darn near perfection. >> you get a sense that the president trying to play it both ways? >> yeah. that's always what he tries to say. there's good people on both sides and obviously saying that neo-nazis who are good and in the same sort of idea sentence is a same idea and what the republican party wan

seemed clear earlyt( on that @euzwards alabama, then sharpie-gate happened. liz, you look ready tofá attack this one. mhts? >> anything is possible. whoever in noaa who needs to come out and protect trumpe1 -- studies say maybe 5%, 10% chance it would hiti] alabama. there are chances a lot@:q things could happen. i could be on the cover of "sports illustrated." it's possible. there's a small chance. trump needed lpnoaa toqe1 come d double down on thisxdxdlp tinyÑ. it's4spreposterous. >> anybody of you guys noti] surprised by this? everybody is just nodding in agreement. >> he alsoe1 trotted out his homeland security adviser on this issue as welle1 and other senior officials to back him up1 including the presse1 secretary who has beent( anw3Ñi attack do him. the main thing for me is basic trust in government. you want to trust your government when these storms are coming. you wav(8 to trust what the higher-ups are saying about potential impacts, whether you have to evacuate.q i think this does no good for the idea of citizens trustinge1 what their government is telling them,e1 espec

. >> thank you. >>> joining me liz goodwin, and peter baker, white house correspond for "new york times," and co-author of the book "impeachment, an american history." >>> i'm going to ask one question and then hold you over through the break. the headline in that, peter, what struck you? >> i'm struck by the urgency he expressed, that they feel that they got caught on the wrong side of the mueller case by dragging it out, by having the investigation drag out so far that it lost any sense of public outrage that might be there right now, if they don't act quickly, they don't act in an expedient fashion, they could lose momentum for this as well. that's why you've seen them move in remarkable fashion this how doesn't move quickly on anything, yet in the few space of days, the speaker announced the inquiry, we saw the subpoenas, and setting of depositions, the release of the whistle-blower complaint. that's breakneck speed for this particular impeachment. the question is, where will it end up? >>> also the things that the congressman wants to hear about, learn from all these depositions. w

argument 2020 will be a referendum on trump administration policies. joining me liz goodman, political reporter for ""the boston globe"" and a political reporter from politico. thank you both for joining me. is kellyanne conway right or do you think it will be obscured by president trump himself and his overall approach to the presidency? >> i think it will be obscured. there's no distinguishable notion between the administration and himself. he's known to go off or change his message and in a day he can be talking about immigration. yesterday we saw after touting the good headlines of the economy with e, gdp number, gdp went in to talking about the mueller report, talking about a so-called coup, talking about guns because he was at the nra meeting, convention he was at. we know the president doesn't always stay on what would be considered a good message for him. >> a new poll shows most persons believe the president lied to the public about matters that were under investigation by the special counsel. liz, how much concern does trump advisers have regarding the character question? >>

to bring in liz goodewin and laura bassett. to that point, laura, how unprecedented is something like this, keeping this type of information from the presidentt absolutely stunning. it is unimaginable that this is supposed to be the commander in chief and he's actually seen as a liability to the country. his own intelligence officials don't trust him with this information, so they're going behind his back and stopping russian interference into our elections because they believe either he's going to -- either he's going to mess up the program deliberately or unintentionally. they don't trust the president of the united states. we have never seen this before. >> speaking volumes with that. what do you suppose this story came out? we heard that maybe the message being sent to russia, would that be the sole purpose here? >> it is interesting that sending a message to russia might be part of the intention here, just so that russia knows, you know, the u.s. has this capability as 2020 is getting closer. there also could be an intention to send a message to the president himself that th

honest reckoning, people like donald trump jr. and liz cheney and other opportunists try to score cheap rhetorical points and something that will intensify as we march toward the election. no amount of debased and news cycle trolling can obscure the moral stakes here. the president of the united states was greeted for his kickoff rally for his campaign yesterday by white supremacist supporters flashing white power signs. one reporter quoted a disillusioned gop operative who said the trump campaign is well aware of the organized participation of proud boy rallies merging into trump events. they don't care. we know how the president feels about those who marched in charlottesville. >> you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. >> it's the same president who uses all the darkest rhetoric of authoritarian nationalism to rail against the shadowy forces of internal enemies. he accuses immigrants of investing the country like vermin the way nazis talked about juice and others. this rhetoric has been made into policy on the gro

biden, beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg. what do you make of that, liz? >> i would say there are several polls that we should be looking at. the poll that came out yesterday that surveyed voters showed that kamala harris went up from sixth place up to first and julian castro had a big jump. we know that the latin community will be the largest minority voting bloc in 2020. >> how do we know that? how do we know that? >> well, many studies have shown our community is increasing not only in voting age but numbers overall. will 00,000 every single day. so we know the candidate that is elected in 2020 in the democratic primaries will not win the general election. >> so there is a lot of talk about, you know, who won, who lost and, rick, i think these polls aren't just being watched closely by these campaigns but by the trump campaign. what do they take away from what we have seen so far? >> well, i think joe biden has been moved. harris is right where she wants to be because you do not want to be the front runner this early o. >> wouldn't trump rather run against her than biden? >> it's too e

, liz win stead creator of the daily show, defense attorney midwin charles, georgia state representative erika thomas and maria kumar. thank you for being here. liz, i'm going to take our dinner conversation, we were out the other night chatting -- >> is that what you call it? >> railing, chatting, whatever you want to call t the thing is that this conversation about women's liberty, i would have to say, has come to a point where republicans aren't veiling anymore the idea that women should maybe go to jail, which donald trump said, that women really shouldn't have any self-determination, really they just need to be under the control of men. >> i think for me and what we talked about so profoundly is this is not new. i formed an organization in 2012 because in 2010 i started watching these laws happen, i started watching state legislators say things that were aberrant. you look at georgia and you are like, oh, my god, georgia now. no. in 2012 a georgia state rep literally compared pregnant people to heifers saying why do we have to allow for women to be able to have miscar

vulnerability. joining me now are two of my favorites, state's attorney and former congresswoman li liz holtsman. and jill winebags. both of you, this is history repeating itself to some degree because you were both involved in water gate and you both helped us spell out how these came unwound. we have come to called rudy giuliani the president's tv attorney. >> we don't know, you're using the world strategy, but you're thinking there is some thinking behind this. he always said there has been no collusion. trump always said no collusion between his campaign and the russians, so this suggests to anyway either he lost his mind, or that they are very worried and preparing to deal with issues that show collusion with the russians. and then wikileaks e-mails start showing up. >> and, can now we know all of the ways in which donald trump has been carrying out putin's agenda, and taking his interpreters notes, meeting with putin in private, not telling the intelligence agency what is going on. >> giuliani's view that -- you saw chris cuomo's face, she like what are you saying. he is saying th

same time in the senate chamber by the way, another rising woman star liz cheney, now third ranking in the republican leadership on the senate side is going to be as you can see right there introducing kevin mccarthy and she is over on the house side now rather. >> it is an exciting transition. it really is. i hope that she is part of a new wave of house republican candidates who help to take back the house in coming years and it is a positive thing for the conference and the country. >> and liz cheney is i should point out from wyoming and obviously, the elder daughter of dick and lynne cheney. very, you know, very strongly conservative and smart and former state department official, and she is introducing kevin mccarthy being nominated as well. >> yes. >> and how is this process going to work? >> well, it is an exciting new leadership team for the house republicans. they kept some of the strong members from the last kopg, and the addition of liz cheney is a huge addition to the team. we need to remember that kevin mccarthy is the best choice to be republican leader in the house, b

, many of which he's made in the past. let me show you what republican congresswoman liz cheney said today about congressman steve king. >> well, look. i think i was pretty clear and our entire house leadership was clear last week. his comments were abhorrent, they were racist. we under the guidance of leader mccarthy stripped him of his committee assignments. and i think there is simply no place for that language in any of our -- >> censure next? >> look, as i said last week, i think he ought to go find another line of work. >> liz cheney says he should find another line of work. do you think he should be voted out of the congress? >> i think he should. i appreciate, you know, many of my republican colleagues in the house who have stood up and have denounced representative king's racist remarks. but i think one question for all of us to consider is, why it's taken this long. as you know, reverend, this isn't the first time that representative king has made these types of racist remarks. he has long been engaged in this type of rhetoric in the congress, and it's disappointing that it

candidate. it's the reason, i think, that e liz weather warren wants to co-opt some of the rhetoric of donald trump. donald trump take to places like fort wayne and said i'm going to be your protector and fighter to keep jobs here. just in the last day, elizabeth warren has unvailed another new plan. this one geared toward economic patriotism, in an attempt to recast trumpian appeals to material interests in places that have seen manufacturing go away and economic stagnation set in. with that, i would like to introduce tonight's guest, senator elizabeth warren. [ applause ] >> hi! hello! >> how are you, senator. >> it's good to see you. >> have a seat. [ applause ] >> it's good to see you. >> it's good to see you. >> well, the folks in this room are obviously very excited to see you. >> i'm very excited to see all of them. >> here's a question i got from a bunch of people. we went back and forth with people. we said where would you like to do a town hall and you guys said fort wayne, indiana. why? why are we in fort wayne, indiana? >> we're in fort wayne, indiana because people in indi