first of all, liz cheney worked at the state department. she knows a coup. calling fbi and justice department people who engaged in a coup is really dangerous stuff. >> really dangerous. in some ways liz cheney has always been there way. what's changed is the republican party. when i was at the justice department liz cheney led a campaign attacking public officials at the justice department calling them al qaeda 7 for representing gitmo detainees in prior practice ignoring that's one of the greatest traditions of the american legal practice, everyone deserves representation. eventually lindsey graham stood up and said she ought to knock it off because it's inappropriate. fast forward, there's no lindsey graham anymore. even lindsey graham isn't lindsey graham. while liz cheney is there, the difference is the rest of the republican party is there. you have an attorney general who from inside the justice department is kind of leading the war on both the intelligence community and the people that work for them. >> justin amash, there's only attention to him bot

we welcome liz goodwin here with us in new york. liz, i'd like to begin with you. do you agree with our perception this week that this as an issue has vaulted to the front of the line also part and parcel of our health care discussion? >> yeah, absolutely. you can really see that in new hampshire this week. kamala harris had an event to roll out a new proposal on assault weapons. that was her focus. that's what she wanted to talk about. and alabama just kind of ripped through the week and every single candidate has had to scramble to respond. and in some cases, i think it is not the most -- it is not the debate they would desire right now, but it is one that is, you know, obviously energizing democratic primary voters. it is very important to the party and in general. >> well, laura, let's start on liz's last point, and that is no one was looking for or expecting this to jump to the head of the line. but now it's firmly a political issue. as a matter of politics, we get that these are supreme court bound test cases. as a matter of politics, though, pick your poll.

so what i want to do is close this out, make sure i give you a response to liz's position there. what liz is partly saying is, partly, no, we didn't do it, and to the extent we did it, we were just looking for corruption. >> well, of the times that the president has withheld money, it was to get this favor. and if you want to do something, you want to read the transcript, read the incomplete transcript that says precisely the give and take, which is an exchange for javelins, i want you to do me a favor, though, and it's biden, and biden's name is in there. >> it's not biden. it's dynamic. >> if you actually can read -- i guess you think you're on fox news, right? you can't possibly wait until somebody finishes talking. you're objective is to interfere with any truth that's said by anyone else but yourself and what you say is not true. it's a lie. >> that's not what the transcript says. and i would again -- >> that is what the transcript says. >> we should all be asking what joe biden and barack obama -- why they never approved lethal -- >> when they're president, if they violate

i want to bring liz holtsman back in. you said the law should be amended so this has to happen, and the attorney general must have been watching because he said we're going to show you the report, your thoughts? >> i think this is better than the situation we have now, but it is far from perfect, just looking at this, i don't know why the attorney general himself feels so bound by rule 6e. >> 6e is the federal rule of criminal procedure that says that grand jury material can't be made public. >> correct. so if he feels bound by this, if he feels bound by it, he certainly has the power to go he federal judge and say judge, we have a matter of national crisis and national importance. this material that is normally secret needs to be turned other to the house judiciary committee. whatever he thinks is appropriate, so they can understand what ore materials there may be. showing possible criminality or showing possible silence. >> we steam speak in these blanket terms. >> yes, when the special council said they want today indi

liz is the author of "the case for impeaching trump." liz, you have been through this type of process before. how do you feel about this new development? the idea that the house -- we talked about this before -- might delay sending the articles of impeachment over to the senate. >> well, i think speaker pelosi made the right statement in saying, you know, i need to know what the -- what the situation's going to be like in the senate in order to pick the right managers. if you're going to have examination of witnesses, you need people who've had trial experience. >> right. >> if you're not going to have that, maybe you don't need those people. so i think it makes eminent sense to have the right -- to understand what's going to happen in the senate. and to have the right people picked. >> and -- and the managers, just for our viewers who may not know the language, they're like prosecutors. the house has, essentially, indicted the president. and this is going to be tried in the center -- in the senate. so the managers whom nancy pelosi pick

that is a better argument, like look, i'm no liz cheney fan but if you have liz cheney saying lay off people like vindman and people like mitch mcconnell saying i don't want to talk about the patriotism of these folks who are parading in to testify, they want to go somewhere that they are used to. no matter what kind of brother in arms bolton has been over the years in wanting to go into iraq or two into iran or all the crazier things he wants to do remove the top ten floors of the u.n., they will turn on him if he becomes a useful foe. at the same time, he will do them some good because he will say look, i didn't agree with this but you have been after him for two and a half years. he will do a lot of their talking points. i mean it will be rough but frankly i'm not sure it wouldn't be a lot better than what they're going through right now. >> well the person who crafts, specializes and broadcast those talking points would be rudy giuliani. in the new issue of "time" magazine you write all about giuliani calling him the secretary of is offense and write this. giuliani's transformatio

liz, let's pick up where jeff left off. what form will this take? he said it has to be fast and focused. you and i saw something last week that looked like testimony having to do with impeachment. and i think a lot of people were left puzzled by what's that versus what this is going to be. >> what happened last week was a typical committee meeting. pretty incoherent, not focused, the difference was you had counsel at the end asking some questions. that's not going to solve the problem of getting the narrative of what happened to the american people. if you go back to watergate, the most successful impeachment process ever brought against a president, before the house acted you had a senate select committee that had seven people. house judiciary committee has over 40. senate select committee had seven senators, four democrats, three republicans, and they had a staff. the way the committee meetings were held, they first had witnesses come before, they interviewed witnesses beforehand. the staff did. sometimes senators were there. then when they began

liz, good to see you. let's keep walking through this, u.s. versus nixon proceedings which this conflict in a different way was presented before congress, congress took action and said, we are entitled to this material. >> yes, what happened was, you had, first of all arc special prosecutor, prosecuting questions of coverup, the watergate break-in as well as the break-in,lets. they needed materials. they also turned over materials to the house judiciary committee. the special prosecutor sought materials from the white house because once you have a white house taping system, the prosecutor wanted the tapes. nixon said no he also claimed it was national security. his claims turned out to be false claims and the court rejected them. meanwhile, the house judiciary committee, which was conducting house impeachment proceedings said we want the tapes too. we few what was going on those dates, nixon was meeting with his advisers over the coverup. we knew that. we wanted the tapes. nixon said no to us. so what we did, we didn't bring contempt proceedin

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liz cheney was in the george w. bus bush/dick cheney state department and likely intercepted with ambassador yovanovitch. i don't know that, but liz cheney was a senior state department official and marie yovanovitch had hardship postings in the kinds of countries where a lot of foreign policy as it rises to the highest level of the white house reaches. it's likely that liz cheney knows her. i'm interested in your thoughts about that, claire. >> she's not afraid of trump. i think she thinks that her pedigree and her standing in her state is strong enough that she could withstand a trump-backed primary. and so that's all the calculation that's going on on the hill for most of these republicans. they'll tell me, you know, we know it's awful, we know what's going on is terrible, but we've got to be here to block his worst instincts and we need to hold onto power so you guys get stuff done. >> i've had people in my life i've disagreed with ideologically but i have complete trust in their integrity. the late charles krau

i think liz cheney was defensive of him. >> liz cheney got up there and defended vindman in front of people. danny three top republicans calling the investigation an illegal sham because it, quote, lacks any properly authorization. is there any merit to this argument whatsoever? >> republicans are wrong on this front. the constitution gives the house the sole power to impeach, not the senate, not any other branch of government, but the house. to that end, when they conduct investigations, not post impeachment, i'm talking about before there's an actual impeachment, they have considerable latitude to conduct those investigations. and while republicans can argue that maybe they should put it to a vote, there's no explicit requirement that they have to vote to conduct the impeachment inquiry. and an analogy would be the criminal process prior to an indictment, a criminal defense attorney has noim right to be ia grand jury room. no right to be involved or participate in the prosecution's process for bringing an indictment or criminal charges. so, this, even though there's very littleev p

liz, let me start with you. we understand that fiona hill does not have a prepared opening statement to deliver to lawmakers. she is somebody who i believe you knew as sort of a career official, essentially, in the administration. what do you think we can expect from her? >> good morning. i think we need to step back and think about this unprecedented moment in american history when we have a president who is walking away from all the principles and values that the united states has stood for in the world. when fiona testifies and others testify and when congress thinks about these problems that we currently face around the world, everyone needs to know history has its eyes on us. we are at a moment when every individual is called upon to do the right thing for our country. and i think fiona in my experience is a person of integrity, hard working, and disciplined. but she's implicated in the policies of the administration currently in power, so she's going to need to speak the truth to the committee that she is

i worked with liz cheney. she follows a playbook, political playbook, in her dna from her father. the political playbook is run on this -- you want to talk about the dark underbelly of america, it's donald trump and liz cheney and everyone following in his pat. it's heinous and also idiotic politics. look at the headlines in swing states. think you will win over anyone, trump's racist tweets in america. trump is a bigot. these aren't from msnbc, these aren't from our website, from mainstream objective editorial pages in america's newspapers. >> this is smart politics if you're talking about the new york world in 1890, where all you care about is this narrow strip of constituents that will get you reelects over and over. what donald trump is doing is pitching himself into the arms of 36 million voters who apparently will let him fire a gun on 35th avenue and not care about it. that is completely divorced from great leadership and moral authority. the republicans on the senate and civil war era got beaten. abrah

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thanks to both of you, heidi, liz. thanks to both of you. >>> come january, at least five democratic presidential candidates could see the campaigns get more complicated while the rest of the presidential field is gearing up for caucuses in iowa. warren, sanders, booker, klobuchar and bennett could have to be back in washington serving as jury members in president trump's impeachment trial. msnbc political reporter spoke to those candidates about how they plan to juggle this historic moment with their own white house ambitions. >> article 1 is adopted. >> reporter: that's the sound of impeachment's long awaited collision with the 2020 campaign. for months what's going on in the capital followed the candidates to the trail. now threatens to take them off the road at the crucial time. the 2020 campaign. >> what will i do? find a way to do it. >> reporter: five candidates also snenators preparing to trae days with voters for days in d.c. >> i was not really for likely of getting up early this morning and maybe go in a few

and i think one thing that helps explain liz cheney's position is actually one of the things we have to correct about some of the news reporting post the presidential election 2016 was that white women overwhelmingly supported donald trump. that was a mistake of looking at the exit polling. when the later evaluation came it was very clear that really it was 44%. it wasn't the majority. so when you start to see extreme statements like this that go and speak directly to the lived experiences of far too many women who have actually experienced violence and now experience violence with a supreme court justice who's been accused of it and an administration that has paid far too little attention including undermining some of the protections for immigrant women who have been sex trafficked in this country and brought here as a result of sex trafficking, one after another after another policy positions that say women don't matter, people of color don't matter, and that's beyond hurtful. there's no national -- there's no nation that survives on a platform of that kind of division. >> and i wo

joining me is liz, founder and ceo of chicago beyond and former high school principal. thank you for joining me. it's news if chicago goes more than 24 hours without a shooting. take look at "chicago sun times" headline. chicago records 28 hours without a shooting when nearly 30 people are shot in one weekend, what is the reaction there? how do you react to this? >> i think it's the same as every chicagoan how we are all reacting that this is not only just unfortunate, it has become our new normal. i do believe as many chicagoans do, there is a way out of this and the only way out of this is for us to begin to look wholistically at solutions, everything from addressing trauma to thinking about economic opportunities in neighborhoods, providing pathways for people so we don't continue in this cycle of violence. >> what -- to what degree is this tied in with guns and gun laws? because gun laws in chicago are fairly stringent. is this something that has to happen on a socioeconomic level as opposed to a gun law level? >> yeah. so everyone knows when you think about chicago

liz, you and i talked a long time about this. you covered this for us. every day more stuff about what you told me about how it went in watergate starts to become more familiar, the idea of two guys with a checkered past involved funneling money not really from them to another place, starting to look murky and checkered in entirety. >> but let's step back a second. who's calling the shots here? this is the president of the united states using two guys, checkered past, now indicted for felonies. these two people were hired with the approval of the president of the united states by rudy giuliani to carry out his personal business in ukraine, which meant corruption, which meant digging up dirt on biden, manufacturing dirt on biden, and who knows what else. to stop and think a president of the united states would have to stoop to using people who are now accused criminals, it is horrifying, disgusting. that's what's happening now. >> and it happened before. >> in watergate, the president used that, and the president got in big trouble. we've also seen the co

i think there are people that see you and say e liz weather warn is a harvard law professor. she's a liberal from massachusetts. and even if i like her, are people going to listen to that? are you the messenger who can talk to the folks that are experiencing that in places like fort wayne and beyond? >> so, look, this is the 20th state i've come to to do a town hall. 20 states plus puerto rico. i've done 90 plus town halls now. and it's about being out and talking to people. you know, keep in mind i was born and raised in oklahoma. i have three much older brothers. i was that late in life bay si always referred to as "the surprise." all three of my brothers went off and joined the military. my oldest brother was career military. he spent about 5 1/2 years in combat in vietnam. we were lucky to get him back home. my second brother was stationed overseas. my third was a combat medic. i had a different dream. my dream was to become a public schoolteacher. can we hear it from america's public schoolteachers? [ applause ] it's all i ever wanted was to be a public schoolteacher. my

reporting end of this i find fascinating there is a division here between the hard right hawks like liz cheney who care mainly about our alliances in the world special about russia more than they care about the current political health of the president and those who just care about the political health of the president. there seems to be division there. >> and that division has been growing ever since president trump made his decision on syria, the hawkish wing of the republican party led in part by representative cheney have seen their bonds with the president fray, especially in policy. politically they know the president remains in tight control of the gop. but they're speaking out with increasing regularity about his decisions and about the conduct of his allies if not the conduct of the president. >> michael, it seems to me this character assassination which is what trump used in his campaign. he would destroy his opponents, not just beat them, make them look like idiots. but here you're going after noncom battants, witnesses. you're going after military people and destroying them

i want to start with you liz. what barr was saying there, what he was saying was is a slight of hand. >> i'd call it a verbal equivalent of a lie. let's use simple words. >> mueller didn't find any evidence of an underlying crime. mueller said very clearly based on the office of legal counsel's office memo we would not go down that road. we were not going to do that because we couldn't accuse the president of a crime because he wouldn't be able to defend himself. those are two different things. >> absolutely. barr lied. he said the olc opinion was not relevant in mueller' decision but it was. it wasn't true. in addition, barr has also suggested there was no evidence with regard to any involvement of the trump campaign with -- b >> he said there can't be conclusion because there was no underlying crime. >> he also said there wasn't evidence of any underlying crime. what mueller said today, which is very important, is that the evidence was insufficient to charge a conspiracy not that there was no evidence and the pr

. >> and joining us is liz goodwin of the "boston globe," and charlie savidge from the washington post and legal contribute for msnbc. and so, charlie, you first, the new phase of the impeachment inquiry, and what do you think? >> well, i am interested in the whole pushback that is not just the white house, but the trump allies and we saw a letter from devin nunez demanding testimony from nelly orr and others and so lindsey graham says if you don't put that in there, it is a sham. so we won't have peaceful testimony on wednesday and friday as the public hearings start. i expect the republicans will do everything they can to turn it tone into a circus, and rancor, and it is going to be a turbulent ride going forward. >> charlie, six on the record confirmations of the quid pro quo, and so how is this going to be playing out on television and the people can hear for themselves those on the witness stand say it? >> well, yo will have the competing storylines, and you will have this wasn't an extortion slash solicitation of the bribe which is what we mean when we say quid pro quo or we are

>> well, i agree with liz. that is not where this is heading and i don't see much sign of the republicans would go there, because their position has been that trump did absolutely nothing wrong here full stop. so the train is completely on the constitutional path of impeachment, and censureship is not in the constitution and not in the editorials that you hear about. >> and so now, charlie, anything that you hear them say that donald trump did not do this or the argument is well, yes, he did it, but it is not rising to the level of impeachment, and not that kind of offense? >> well, i mean, the signs are that the republicans are going to stick with trump and put up a array of arguments that allow them to get past this difficult political moment, and hopefully without drawing the president's own fire, and if that is what he didn't do it or what he did is fine is coming down the individual lawmakers, but i am not predicting many defections. >> there is a politico piece that talks about the president increasingly

he instead hit back at liz cheney for her voting record on abortion. i barely even know what to say about this, but another winner from him is "i'd like to see an america that is just so homogenous that we look a lot the same." >> chris, he says it because he believes it, and that's it. he believes it, it's a disgrace, it's disgusting, he should resign. if every republican does not come out against him and call for his resignation, it shows where they stand. >> mccarthy already said we took away his committee assignments. on the other hand you can make the argument he still has the same vote that every other member of the house does, which is one. >> right. i think they just need to obviously put their resources into getting rid of him so that they can try to hold that seat and rid themselves of the liability between now and then there's not much that you can do. >> do you see them doing that? >> i mean, i think that they should. i think that they're probably quietly doing it in ways that are not overt, that might become overt soon if liz cheney's talk

liz, chris, thank you both so much. we just looked at live images and we can see the tour boats are just starting up again. this being holy week, there are many, many tourists in paris this week. many of whom had planned to visit the cathedral. all right. we have to take you now back here state side. >>> we are just 48 hours approximately from one of the most highly anticipated document releases in modern political history. nbc news has learned that for many people inside the president's orbit, the legal risks from the mueller report pale in comparison to the potential backlash from president trump if he figures out who spilled the most damaging secrets about him and his administration. i want to bring in carol lee who has more on this exclusive report. people are worried around the president. >> surprise. yeah. we talked to people who said that there's a lot of anxiety about the report because from their perspective, they were told cooperate with the investigation. the white house told them to talk. the only thing to d

i know that, liz, youloughlen s why they should keep it to the impeachment without mueller, and some say it is going to make it more vulnerable, so how much is the party taking this into account? >> i think that pelosi is taking it into account a lot. she is really the one who is going to make the final call on it. she is throughout the last year and a half, she has had the needs of the front line members foremost in her mind at all times, and she is often seen as taking the side of them over the more liberal squad and at the end of the day, she is going to take the concerns they have for keeping the investigation narrow seriously. >> on that point, charlie, you tweeted and in fact, we will put it up that house judiciary lawyer barry burke will make a presentation separate from daniel goldman and that is a strong sign that they will put forth an article of the obstruction of justice mueller volume two in addition to the ukraine matters, so you believe that the items from the mueller report will be included, and what do you think that the ramifications are going to be? >> that is my s

joining me now is the chair of the house republican conference, congresswoman liz cheney. i want to start with what happened in the house this week. it was a bit of a surprise. you voted against this broad resolution. and while your criticism of the resolution, i totally understand. but you were in the minority of your party. did your fellow house republicans make a mistake by voting with the democrats on this resolution? >> no. i think there were two ways we could have gone. some of the people in our conference looked at it and said, there's nothing objectionable in the resolution. my statement made clear that that was my view as well. i decided to vote against it because i think it was an effort protect ilhan omar, to cover up her bigotry and anti-semitism by refusing to name her. the democrats have yet to take any action to remove her from her committee. and they have a real problem. the extent to which they are abiding by anti-semitism, enabling anti-semitism in their party is something they struggle with. but sometimes it's very dangerous for the company. i'm hopeful

you've been going to these states, liz, as they've been teeing up these laws. tell us about that. >> i've been to every single one of these, i've been to alabama four times, georgia twice, mississippi five times, kentucky twice. the activists on the ground, and this is super important to realize, is that the activists on the ground are doing incredible work and a lot of this work legislatively, the abortion funds helping women are run by tremendously bad ass, if i can, women of color. so when these things happen, when people are like what can i do, what can i do? the first thing you can do is google that state and find out where their abortion fund is, find out where those pre productive justice organizations are on the ground and donate to them first. support them first. >> elise, what is the action plan because one must presume that brett kavanaugh is of the same sort of vain as william barr. donald trump nominates people when he knows what he's going to get. he's already given the religious right the courts, that's the exchange he made in exchange for their

umbrage that you see all the time but in this case we're seeing it from someone like don junior or liz cheney. that will intensify and it will be a real test as we head towards the election. >> there's no question. and to get my own two cents on the whole semantic debate, george decay tweeted out this afternoon, hey, i was in two of those things that were concentration camps. these are concentration camps. i think george takei is dispositive on the subject. that being said, we are coming into a dark ages, broad swords and, you know, mace and leather apron bloodfest of a campaign. i mean it is going to be, and i will become -- it's going to be the worst campaign in american history, by far. it's going to -- it's going to be worse than any of those ones in the 1850s where people got called hermaphrodites. >> it's going to be bad. we had someone arrested yesterday for assaulting a reporter at that event. again, there are white nationalists who showed up to flash white power symbols. >> right. and no one is shocked anymore. >> exactly. >> this is what we've all become desensitized to. >> t

bush and our old friend, liz who favored in impeachment of nixon. president trump is expected to be holding a conference at 2:00 p.m. with the president of finland. we'll bring it to you live. >> that was totally different. >> something else that's happening that's very exciting today. the dow plummeting again for the second time in two days. remember when it was closed down last night. it was the worst day we have seen in five weeks. today we are now down 536 points. coming up, how the president's trade war is hurting the economy and president trump reported of the extreme idea to stop illegal immigration. including -- wait for it. snakes and alligators and why the acting secretary of dhs is so frustrated. multiple fatalities have been reported of a vintage world war ii b 17 bomber crashed and burst into flames in connecticut today. at least six people were taken into the hospital. the wings of freedom tour traveling exhibit, the ntsb is investigating. you are watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. are watchi& ruhle" live on msnbc know us fro. yo

so i want to start with the house, liz. the focus appears right now to be on how those modern democrats will vote on impeachment. 31 hold seats in trump districts, 17 say that we are voting yes but eight till still undecided. how concerned are democrats about de23 over is this defectors? >> i think that they are braced for some defectors but republicans are already saying that the vote would be bipartisan and the vote for it would not be even if they already have one democrat which they already do. so the bigger the number grows, the worse the optics are. i think for now leadership is not expecting more than maybe half dozen to eventually vote no, but things are shifting because the members of congress are getting so much feedback from their difficults, and it is just hard to know how that will affect each individual member. they are the ones getting all the calls and letters. >> and with regard to leadership and where all of that stands, i want to play again what speaker pelosi had to say when asked if she has a message. >

liz cheney on impeachment. this is starting to seem like a political setup. on syria, withdrawing u.s. forces is a catastrophic mistake. marco rubio on impeach, i don't know that that's a real request for china to investigate biden. on syria, the trump sensation mass made a grave mistake. does it give republicans more credibility or less credibility to be that different on two issues? >> look, i think it's irrelevant. it's two separate issues. you can debate the national security pl implications of each. i don't see the fact that they're coming out against a syrian policy on one and defend the president on impeachment on the other, quite frankly. >> on some level when they go back to their districts it allows them to push back on the narrative that trump has them in their hands for all reasons. they can say i did disagree with him on this. i did push back on this idea. for those voters who aren't convinced that they're thinking independently and not about their next election, this example probably isn't going to be enough. >> carol, adrienne and matt, thank y

liz wetting warren did well as well. >> seize the day, right? thanks to all of you. happy fourth. >> rashida talib will be here to talk about the detention centers and what she witnessed. ention cs and what she witnessed make fitness routine with pure protein. high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake! pure protein. the best combination for every fitness routine. the best way to hit the beach? with neutrogena® beach defense® sunscreen. helioplex® powered, uva, uvb strong. beach strength protection for the whole family. for the best day in the sun. neutrogena®. >>> that wraps up this hour. coming up right now, more news with hallie jackson. hey, hallie. >> kris, thank you so much on this holiday wednesday. breaking news out of the trump administration. a new investigation ordered by dhs into the reports about border patrol agents and the disturbing online posts we talked about on this show. some agents calling members of congress the b word, raising conspiracy theories about a migrant fath

is that something we can expect, liz? >> before i go to that, i have to say that was also an incredible moment for tulsi gabbert. her billboard was in the background. tulsi, you had your moment. i feel like it was super good for you. as far as what they'll bring, it's interesting. i feel like as we watched the debates thus far, cory booker brought energy. he brought points. he made his -- he's done a bit of mic dropping. he has note resonated. so what is that? i think what's playing out for me is just what does the democratic establishment represent to voters who are excited? i went to an elizabeth warren rally in minnesota this summer. there's 15,000 -- they had to move it three times. there's 15,000 people. it was a diverse audience of age and race and gender. she was authentic and she's gaining momentum. so it's, it's what do you lay out and not just enthusiasm. i really feel that. >> i think along with cory booker, beto o'rourke, those two candidates have been among the biggest disappointments in the field. when it's

liz, michelle, thank you. as well as jessica. thanks, as well. >>> record number of women are running for president but can any of them beat president trump? we are on the campaign trail after the break. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. >>> can you imagine sleepy joe, crazy bernie? you look at the candidates -- i think pocahontas is finished, she is out. >> president trump there with the greatest hits in prime time at the rally in green bay, wisconsin. the president falling back on a trio of old nicknames for his perspective 2020 opponents and while i'm sure they don't relish, the labels, could it be that the candidates are happy to hear the president actually attack them? joining me now is shaquille in -- >> reporter: hi there, kendis. it's funny because many candidates almost the opportunity for an attack or a tweet from president trump. i think many times you see the campaign after

we are hearing some push back from some republicans like liz cheney, adam kinzinger. >> i think this encapitsulates w president trump departs from republican orthodoxy. he ran as wanting to end endless wars in the middle east, and i think launching a military strike on iran would mean dramatically escalating a crisis in the middle east, and his republican counter parts who are far more hawkish than he is, including closest advisers, weren't necessarily happy with this, and you know, wrote various op-eds, tweeted and spoke to the media about how they think that, you know, this se sends a message of weakness and that american deterrents is an empty threat when the president doesn't follow through on something like a limited targeted strike, but the president did actually receive some praise from democrats, several obama officials said that, you know, taking more clandestine covert actions or implementing additional sanctions, in effect creating some sort of shadow war is a for more effective tactic here. and you saw bernie sanders very reluctantly saying that he was happy that the pres

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so there is a balance for them to worry about. >> liz, what is your your takeaway? >> what struck me is the congressman talk about only 3% of american people read the report, but millions watched the testimony. so what i'm wondering, they so far don't have anyone who's going to testify in public on tv who could make that kind of impression. all of these depositions are behind closed doors. i'm wondering, how will they tell this story to the american people? can they find someone who will be that storyteller who is willing to answer honestly? and in an open hearing they can televise. >> you talked about the hurdle this places on them to get it publicly consumed, is one way to put it. >>> stay with us. coming up next, everyone, the mood inside the white house after the president's threat to go after the alleged leaker, and after the whistle-blower identified several white house officials who can back up his account. >>> later, the steps toward impeachment and mitch mcconnell's wiggle room to protect the president. s wiggle o protect the president. joint replacing, and

>> i agree with liz. i think the reason independents aren't for it, like she he said, people deposit read the mueller report. we know there are people in congress who didn't read the mueller report. it is incumbent upon those who know the law, who read the report, who are supposed to be leading this country, to move public opinion themselves by making a strong case for why this president shouldn't be in office. that's what they have failed to do and i think the polling numbers are reflecting that right now. >> with those numbers, laura, you can touch on this a little bit, when it comes to the trump re-election campaign, cutting ties with some of its own pollsters after you have that leaked internal polling, the president was trailing joe biden in 2020, critical battleground states, what do you think was behind the leak from the first place, knowing this was internal? >> what was behind the leak, trump's administration has been leaking like a fire hydrant since day one. i think he has employed a lot of peo

and liz smith, a congresswoman from texas said, you know honey, the only thing you need to know about donald trump is he's a 7-year-old who never grew old. and that's a pretty good working way to understand where he's coming from. because kids when they get into a fight don't think about what's good in the long term. how should they constructively work their way out of this to get to a good resolution? what he thinks is there's a thing in front of me now, i don't like it, i'm going to strangle it to the ground. even if it's not in my self-interest to do this. that's why i keep doubling down on this bonkers claims about alabama. >> frank figliuzzi, what i keep thinking about when we see the president with his hand on an image doctored by a black sharpie is so that was a lie that was brought to light because the president held it. all of the things that he does on tape are lies that we know about because he does them on tape. what do you think the sort of scope of the iceberg is underwater? what is happening behind the scenes? >> to understand how dangerous this could become, and may ha

i think liz warren had a good night, others had good nights, certainly julian castro. but let's look at the next debate a month from now in detroit. what do you think the candidates that did not do well ought to do and those that just sort of gave their vision and resume, what should they do in this second round? >> well, it's hard to stand out. you were there, i was there in miami. you've got 20 candidates two nights. it's hard to kind of have a moment. i think kamala harris did great. julian warren, pete buttigieg, and liz warren were the winners of this particular debate. i think for detroit, some of these candidates including the vice president are going to have to sharpen up some of their answers. we're living in a different time. some of these folks on the stage haven't done a debate at this level. others have, but things are moving fast and they're going of to sharpen up their answers around things and get really clear on specifics. and i think it's got to be about the future and their vision for the future. i think, you know, some people are going to land some

liz holtzman, attorney and former u.s. congresswoman who voted to impeach president nixon. >>> another story we're following this week is the raid that led to the death of isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi. the raid was named after the aide worker kayla mueller believed to have been killed while in isis custody. she was taken hostage by the terror group in syria in 2013 while she was helping people who were fleeing the civil war. in february of 2015, isis claimed mueller was killed when a jordanian warplane bombed the building where she was being held. u.s. officials are skeptical of that claim and say isis killed her. it was later revealed kayla mueller was repeatedly assaulted by baghdadi himself. president trump mentioned her tragic story on sunday when he announced the terror leader's death. >> she was there to help people. and he saw her and he thought she was beautiful. and he brought her into captivity for a long period of time and then he killed her. he was an animal. and he was a gutless animal. >> the president ca

liz, how much concern does trump advisers have regarding the character question? >> i think a pretty bad scenario for the trump administration, one they are concerned about is the idea of former people who were close to president trump such as don mcgahn testifying at a televised hearing about his thoughts on the president now. because i think they think, you know, when democrats say trump lied or when democrats say trump did this or that, his supporters and independents who support him are going to think, democrats have an agenda. but when you have someone who worked for trump, who went to bat for trump, testifying about some of the other unsavory things the president asked them to do or that they heard him say, that really hurts him. >> laura, the same poll also showed most persons believe congress should not begin impiechment proceedings. what do you make of that? the majority of the public believes the president lied about this but yet they don't want to see his impeachment? >> yes, and the majority, like you said, they think the president lied about this so i

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liz holtzman voted to impeach president nixon. jane harmon is a former democ t democratdemocra democratic congresswoman who is now president and ceo of the wi woodrow wilson center. adam schiff presented his press conference and he has presented this document that's 300 pages long and there's a 17-page summary to it but the response to it that is coming out from the white house and from the trump campaign and some members of congress which seems to be a coordinated response is not a refutation of what's in there for a point by point argument but that adam schiff is a liar, this is a joke, an embarrassment to the nation. there's politics, we can't separate politics from these things, but there does seem to be a concerted effort to minimize the role of these committees in which republicans are a part, have always been a part. republicans have led it sometimes and sometimes they've been the minority but they are part of the process. >> right. well, one of the tragedies here -- and there are many tragedies in this whole, long, sordid

liz drew, it's such an honor to have you here. i began reading you on the impeachment into nixon awhen i was in college and here we are again. we have this development that we were just discussing a lawyer today in court representing the house of representatives said that they are considering a possible article of impeachment involving this possible perjury in the written answer that president trump gave robert mueller about never discussing wikileaks with anyone, and we just had that testimony in the roger stone case of, yes, he discussed wikileaks with roger stone. so that could be an expanded set of impeachment articles, if that's added. >> well, yes, and so could obstruction of his trying to keep anybody from testifying and blocking documents from being produced, but it's still all around just the one subject, lawrence, the one subject of ukraine. and there are so many other things that he did, abuse of power across the board, wanton me neglect of the constitutional duties or restrictions, so it's still one subject. and the pr