duly elected president of the united states. that could be treason. >> that was liz cheney third highest prp in the house, dangerous accusation of a failed coup. only one member of trump's own party has come out publicly against him, congressman amash from michigan. a few weeks ago he said the president engaged in impeachable conduct. today he set his sights on bill barr in a tweet. attorney general barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of mueller's report and decisions in the investigation. he ends with this. barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president's false narrative to the american people. this will continue if those who have read the report did not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth. joining our conversation, former chief spokesman department of justice matt miller back from parts unknown. i want to get you on all of that. first of all, liz cheney worked at the state department. she knows a coup. calling fbi and justice department people who engaged in a coup is really dangerous stuff. >> really dangerous. in

about it. laura barone lopez. we welcome liz goodwin here with us in new york. liz, i'd like to begin with you. do you agree with our perception this week that this as an issue has vaulted to the front of the line also part and parcel of our health care discussion? >> yeah, absolutely. you can really see that in new hampshire this week. kamala harris had an event to roll out a new proposal on assault weapons. that was her focus. that's what she wanted to talk about. and alabama just kind of ripped through the week and every single candidate has had to scramble to respond. and in some cases, i think it is not the most -- it is not the debate they would desire right now, but it is one that is, you know, obviously energizing democratic primary voters. it is very important to the party and in general. >> well, laura, let's start on liz's last point, and that is no one was looking for or expecting this to jump to the head of the line. but now it's firmly a political issue. as a matter of politics, we get that these are supreme court bound test cases. as a matter of politics, though, pick y

joined by someone leading that very charge. the republican party's national spokesperson, liz harrington, from the rnc, and a legal expert who, as you know, if you watch this program, has previously advocated for the legal case for the impeachment of donald trump, former prosecutor, john flannery. thanks to both of you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> good to be here. >> liz, i will start with the straightforward question. are the republicans still asking for foreign help to get trump re-elected? >> i would ask the democrats. because we spent two and a half years debating that very question, right? >> well, i'll tell you what, i'll make you a deal. >> it was all about the democratic dossier. >> if you ever host "the beat," you can invite guests on and ask them questions. but i'm asking you, because your president went out in public and said, yeah, of course i asked ukraine for help. is that still the way you want to win re-elections? >> is nancy pelosi stimprll prag and taking this very solemnly when she's going on late-night tv and yucking it up about taking our votes in 2016

republicans really going to make up this witch hunt argument. you saw liz cheney defending alexander vindman saying this n this man is a patriot. you think they will still side with the president? >> yes, this is what liz cheney will ultimately say. but what the president did is not impeachment. i hope this is like nixon. what happened in the clinton impeachment, and i know a lot of people think the president should not be impeached, it started with white water, a land dma deal in arkansas. it moved to paula johnsons, monica lewinsky, and linda trip. then they said we don't have any minority rights because of the independent council. you're vochoking off the abilit to defend. the sentencing should be lesser than impeachment. i'm afraid that we're living in an environment that looks more like that. the optimist of me looks at six senators on the other side of the capital. mitt romney, lamar alexander, mike lee, and ben sass. i think if you could get five or more senators to say on a clean article of impeachment, it may say the president tries to influence the 2020 election, by asking

national constitution center and liz holtzman who was involved in the watergate trials, the watergate hearings. i go es the examples that i have been looking for in terms of a president extending executive privilege over everything, not even specifics. but everything having to do within with an investigation into that president is something that prior administrations approached with caution and care. what's the feeling at the white house about this? >> that this is the right move for them. they will point to past instances where presidents haven't heard of the executive order or executive privilege i should say in order to protect certain materials. i do think it's important to explain what we are talking about here. people ask the question the mueller report is already out, at least it's unredacted version. that's not what the white house is trying to do here, there are tons of pieces of evidence, the stuff used in essence to compile that mueller report, that is what the executive privilege is on, in addition to the full unredacted mueller report, the white house has a legal argument

ieri. >> jeff bennett, thank you, busy day for him. i want to bring in liz holtsman. author of "case for impeaching trump." also joining us is a former federal prosecutor that worked with robert mueller, liz, what was going on in the house intel compete there with the folks calling for kevin nunes's resz ig nati -- resignation. >> you mean chschiff's resignation? >> yes, sorry. >> it is an effort, on the part of the republicans in congress in trying to obstruct, i don't know what other word to use, impede, impair, andstime trying to get to the bottom of it. anything to distraction attention from the basic kpe of what did president trump know, when did he know it, and what did he do with regard to russia and with regard to obstruction of justice charges, and we're going to continue to see that. that's not what we saw in water gate. people finally came around to see that more important than party was the good of the country and many supported the effort to find the truth. >> int ya, let's talk about the report that attorney general william barr wrote about the report in which it said t

reporter for politico. and liz holtzman, former democratic congress woman who voted for articles of impeachment against president richard nixon. she is currently counsel at the law firm finestein. heidi, let me start with you. you have reported on the strategy that democrats are deciding to be very accessible and understandable to the public. >> right, ali. they are looking very tightly at what the founders laid out as the conditions for any impeachment of a united states president, for the conditions of what really constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors. and really, by their definition, it could be any of these things that we outlined there in terms of the abcs, the abuse of power, the betrayal, the corruption. but in this case, they say that we've already seen public evidence of all three. and that's not to say what is going to come of these private hearings where we're only getting drips and drabs and pieces out of the private hearings, which would then be transferred into a public setting and laid out for the public. it won't be until that case is then presented to the judicia

congresswoman elizabeth hoelts man that voted to impeach nixon. liz, let's pick up where jeff left off. what form will this take? he said it has to be fast and focused. you and i saw something last week that looked like testimony having to do with impeachment. and i think a lot of people were left puzzled by what's that versus what this is going to be. >> what happened last week was a typical committee meeting. pretty incoherent, not focused, the difference was you had counsel at the end asking some questions. that's not going to solve the problem of getting the narrative of what happened to the american people. if you go back to watergate, the most successful impeachment process ever brought against a president, before the house acted you had a senate select committee that had seven people. house judiciary committee has over 40. senate select committee had seven senators, four democrats, three republicans, and they had a staff. the way the committee meetings were held, they first had witnesses come before, they interviewed witnesses beforehand. the staff did. sometimes senators were there.

interfere in the upcoming presidential election. >> i just got this, i should have read it before. liz cheney, one of the top three republicans in the house, a very strong national security person, as her father was, clearly, she said now that the president's interference in the hearings this morning by putting out that tweet attacking yovanovitch was wrong and she said, basically she's a public servant of the united states for decades, i don't think the president should have done that. she speaks for a lot of the hawkish people, the national 1k50u security people, the john bolton people. there is a schism in the republican party between old line hawks, if you will, and this president, who doesn't have a foreign policy except he's very pro-russian. >> she also served with yovanovitch. liz cheney was in the george w. bus bush/dick cheney state department and likely intercepted with ambassador yovanovitch. i don't know that, but liz cheney was a senior state department official and marie yovanovitch had hardship postings in the kinds of countries where a lot of foreign policy as it rises

liz holtsman, she co-authored that 1978 specific prosecutor law, she is also author of the case of "case for impeaching trump." you think this is important right now, there are ways, things that happened, that we cannot be forced to see because of the way the law was written. >> tallahassee right, we had just seen water gate. the president tried to take -- refusing to turn over information to the special prosecutor, and so and having influence by the white house into the department of justice, and the department of justice investigation, the president cannot control the investigation into him. we're private citizens, we can't pick our prosecutor, oh, you want to investigate me? out. we can't do that as ordinary people, and the president judge council, so it wouldn't be appointed by the attorney general. accountable to the president, the attorney general could not interfere with the conduct. >> why did that change? >> it expired every five years and it had to be reenacted and that was a protection. you wanted congress to make sure that law was fine tuned so we didn't get into troubl

. >> potentially. >> and joining us is liz goodwin of the "boston globe," and charlie savidge from the washington post and legal contribute for msnbc. and so, charlie, you first, the new phase of the impeachment inquiry, and what do you think? >> well, i am interested in the whole pushback that is not just the white house, but the trump allies and we saw a letter from devin nunez demanding testimony from nelly orr and others and so lindsey graham says if you don't put that in there, it is a sham. so we won't have peaceful testimony on wednesday and friday as the public hearings start. i expect the republicans will do everything they can to turn it tone into a circus, and rancor, and it is going to be a turbulent ride going forward. >> charlie, six on the record confirmations of the quid pro quo, and so how is this going to be playing out on television and the people can hear for themselves those on the witness stand say it? >> well, yo will have the competing storylines, and you will have this wasn't an extortion slash solicitation of the bribe which is what we mean when we say quid pr

i don't mind sitting there as long as it takes. >> and joining me liz goodwin, deputy bureau chief of "boston globe" and charlie savage, the correspondent of "the new york times" and msnbc contributor. okay. guys, start right now, as i thank you for being here where things stand on both sides of the aisle. how are, liz, the democrats and the republicans preparing for the second phase of the process, and who do you think is feeling more bolstered and hasn't mitch mcconnell suggested that he wants to keep any trial to two weeks in length? >> yeah. so the second phase of the process first is going to go over to the judiciary committee, and we will finally see what articles of impeachment the democrats have decided on. and i think that going into that, the democrats feel like they have a strong hand, you know, in terms of the hearings, they actually got some new revelations that they were not expecting to get out of them like the official who came forward and said that he had overheard the call between president trump and gordon sondland and then sondland's testimony was far better for

ukraine, which by the way, is not actually in the european union. let me bring in now liz sherwood randall who served as deputy assistant secretary of defense in the clienten administration. more recently she also served as special assistant to president obama and a senior director for european affairs at the national security council. >> we also have former white house senior in the obama administration. experts both of you. liz, let me start with you. we understand that fiona hill does not have a prepared opening statement to deliver to lawmakers. she is somebody who i believe you knew as sort of a career official, essentially, in the administration. what do you think we can expect from her? >> good morning. i think we need to step back and think about this unprecedented moment in american history when we have a president who is walking away from all the principles and values that the united states has stood for in the world. when fiona testifies and others testify and when congress thinks about these problems that we currently face around the world, everyone needs to know histor

misunderstood. today republican member of congress liz cheney is among those reacting to king's take on rape and incest, writing on twitter, "today's comments by representative steve king are appalling and bizarre. as i've said before, it's time for him to go. the people of iowa's 4th congressional district deserve better." house minority leader kevin mccarthy of california was asked about king's remarks today on fox news. >> i have a great deal of problems with that. this isn't the first time i've had concerns with what steve king has said. earlier in this congress there are things that steve king said that i do not believe the party of lincoln would stand for. and as a united conference we actually removed steve king from his committees inside congress. and i think this just -- it continues to show why that action was taken. >> as mccarthy pointed out there, this is not the first go-round for king. there have been many others. >> we could also electrify this wire with the kind of current that wouldn't kill somebody but it would simply be a discouragement for them to be fooling around

saved faith. liz, you wrote an amazing on ed titled the angels are weeping over the ravages of notre dame. what is going through your mind this morning, and yesterday as you saw that spire fall? >> i think yesterday as an art lover, it was visceral. it was incredibly painful to see this work that i'd loved since a child. it was going up in smoke. this morning as an art guide, i started thinking about the preciousness of the art we have. we assume those things are always going to be there. we see a long line, i'll go in some other time. last night we realized these things are not guaranteed to be around forever. but this afternoon as an art historian, i know that church, notre dame has suffered many, many damages and problem in the past. it's been almost knocked down. it's been shot through. it's had little fires. i'm sure as an art historian that as it has come back many other times, it will come back again. >> chris jansing, you want to jump in? >> reporter: yeah. i'd love to, liz. obviously the work that is ahead to -- i'm sure there's been some smoke damage. they're doing the asse

new york democratic congresswoman liz holtsman. she was a member of the house judiciary committee that voted to impeach nixon. she's also the author for the case for impeaching trump. it's now become the special counsel legislation. i want to start with you liz. what barr was saying there, what he was saying was is a slight of hand. >> i'd call it a verbal equivalent of a lie. let's use simple words. >> mueller didn't find any evidence of an underlying crime. mueller said very clearly based on the office of legal counsel's office memo we would not go down that road. we were not going to do that because we couldn't accuse the president of a crime because he wouldn't be able to defend himself. those are two different things. >> absolutely. barr lied. he said the olc opinion was not relevant in mueller' decision but it was. it wasn't true. in addition, barr has also suggested there was no evidence with regard to any involvement of the trump campaign with -- b >> he said there can't be conclusion because there was no underlying crime. >> he also said there wasn't evidence of any under

candidate. it's the reason, i think, that e liz weather warren wants to co-opt some of the rhetoric of donald trump. donald trump take to places like fort wayne and said i'm going to be your protector and fighter to keep jobs here. just in the last day, elizabeth warren has unvailed another new plan. this one geared toward economic patriotism, in an attempt to recast trumpian appeals to material interests in places that have seen manufacturing go away and economic stagnation set in. with that, i would like to introduce tonight's guest, senator elizabeth warren. [ applause ] >> hi! hello! >> how are you, senator. >> it's good to see you. >> have a seat. [ applause ] >> it's good to see you. >> it's good to see you. >> well, the folks in this room are obviously very excited to see you. >> i'm very excited to see all of them. >> here's a question i got from a bunch of people. we went back and forth with people. we said where would you like to do a town hall and you guys said fort wayne, indiana. why? why are we in fort wayne, indiana? >> we're in fort wayne, indiana because people in indi

liz cheney go out with her shoulder pads on ready for attacking and blocking the news women. >> i worked with liz cheney. she follows a playbook, political playbook, in her dna from her father. the political playbook is run on this -- you want to talk about the dark underbelly of america, it's donald trump and liz cheney and everyone following in his pat. it's heinous and also idiotic politics. look at the headlines in swing states. think you will win over anyone, trump's racist tweets in america. trump is a bigot. these aren't from msnbc, these aren't from our website, from mainstream objective editorial pages in america's newspapers. >> this is smart politics if you're talking about the new york world in 1890, where all you care about is this narrow strip of constituents that will get you reelects over and over. what donald trump is doing is pitching himself into the arms of 36 million voters who apparently will let him fire a gun on 35th avenue and not care about it. that is completely divorced from great leadership and moral authority. the republicans on the senate and civil w

dealing against us? what's the story here? ukraine's our ally. liz cheney called the attacks on vindman shameful. >> questioning the patriotism, the dedication to country of people like mr. vindman, lieutenant colonel vindman who will be coming today and others who have testified, it is shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation, and we should not be involved in that process. >> good for liz cheney. anyway, but rudy giuliani once again showed his without shame on twitter writing, another shifty backfire, a u.s. government employee has reportedly been advising two governments. no wonder he's confused and feels pressure. you're talking about yourself, rudy. robert, to start with you on the reporting end of this i find fascinating there is a division here between the hard right hawks like liz cheney who care mainly about our alliances in the world special about russia more than they care about the current political health of the president and those who just care about the political health of the president. there seems to be division there. >> and that division has bee

with implication for 2020. my guests this morning, sherrod brown of ohio and liz cheney, chair of the house republican conference. >>> plus, waiting for biden. er have sherrod brown not running. bloomberg, not running. both likely out because they are expecting joe biden to get in. >> i haven't made the final decision. don't be surprised. >> what is biden waiting for? >>> and pardon me? did michael cohen ask president trump for a pardon? >> i have never asked for a pardon. nor would i accept a pardon. >> that's a stone-cold lie. >> i'll talk about that, the manafort sentencing and the latest on the russian investigation, with the chair of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. joining us is kasie hunt. robert costa, moderator of "washington week." maria teresa kumar. president of video -- voto latino. and the former republican governor of north carolina, president mcccrory. welcome to sunday, and "meet the press." >> this is "meet the press," with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. never mind that president trump's campaign chairman is going to prison and that mr. trump a

shootings and homicides year over year. joining me is liz, founder and ceo of chicago beyond and former high school principal. thank you for joining me. it's news if chicago goes more than 24 hours without a shooting. take look at "chicago sun times" headline. chicago records 28 hours without a shooting when nearly 30 people are shot in one weekend, what is the reaction there? how do you react to this? >> i think it's the same as every chicagoan how we are all reacting that this is not only just unfortunate, it has become our new normal. i do believe as many chicagoans do, there is a way out of this and the only way out of this is for us to begin to look wholistically at solutions, everything from addressing trauma to thinking about economic opportunities in neighborhoods, providing pathways for people so we don't continue in this cycle of violence. >> what -- to what degree is this tied in with guns and gun laws? because gun laws in chicago are fairly stringent. is this something that has to happen on a socioeconomic level as opposed to a gun law level? >> yeah. so everyone knows when you t

that the third highest ranking republican liz cheney called appealing and bizarre. this is not the first controversial statement we've heard from the iowa congressman just to name a few. in 2017 he said assimilation, not diversity, is our american strength. and earlier this year he said white nationalists, white supremacists, western civilization. how did that language become offensive? and the congressman in his only public response to this so far just in the last hour while we've been on the air, he didn't take it back. he instead hit back at liz cheney for her voting record on abortion. i barely even know what to say about this, but another winner from him is "i'd like to see an america that is just so homogenous that we look a lot the same." >> chris, he says it because he believes it, and that's it. he believes it, it's a disgrace, it's disgusting, he should resign. if every republican does not come out against him and call for his resignation, it shows where they stand. >> mccarthy already said we took away his committee assignments. on the other hand you can make the argumen

he and his surrogates have gone after alexander vindman. i think liz cheney was defensive of him. >> liz cheney got up there and defended vindman in front of people. danny three top republicans calling the investigation an illegal sham because it, quote, lacks any properly authorization. is there any merit to this argument whatsoever? >> republicans are wrong on this front. the constitution gives the house the sole power to impeach, not the senate, not any other branch of government, but the house. to that end, when they conduct investigations, not post impeachment, i'm talking about before there's an actual impeachment, they have considerable latitude to conduct those investigations. and while republicans can argue that maybe they should put it to a vote, there's no explicit requirement that they have to vote to conduct the impeachment inquiry. and an analogy would be the criminal process prior to an indictment, a criminal defense attorney has noim right to be ia grand jury room. no right to be involved or participate in the prosecution's process for bringing an indictment or cr

whistle-blowers. liz, you and i talked a long time about this. you covered this for us. every day more stuff about what you told me about how it went in watergate starts to become more familiar, the idea of two guys with a checkered past involved funneling money not really from them to another place, starting to look murky and checkered in entirety. >> but let's step back a second. who's calling the shots here? this is the president of the united states using two guys, checkered past, now indicted for felonies. these two people were hired with the approval of the president of the united states by rudy giuliani to carry out his personal business in ukraine, which meant corruption, which meant digging up dirt on biden, manufacturing dirt on biden, and who knows what else. to stop and think a president of the united states would have to stoop to using people who are now accused criminals, it is horrifying, disgusting. that's what's happening now. >> and it happened before. >> in watergate, the president used that, and the president got in big trouble. we've also seen the coverup. now we s

obama ad administration. liz, let me start with you, pompeo has been conflicting from this thing from the beginning regardless if he's now on the call. he was named in that transcript as somebody that the president asked the president of ukraine to meet with. he argued to congress that you can't intimidate my people unless they are with a state department lawyer. that's not allowed. that would be the intimidation. if somebody is called to testify with their boss' lawyer, that's the intimidation and not the way around. >> their boss' lawyer. when you hear pompeo saying they're not allowed to rent a lawyer. it is not a lawyer. >> first of all, pompeo ought to recuse himself. he's part of the parcel of what appears to be an impeachable offense and who knows if there are other criminal offense involves here. he's maybe himself violating the whistleblower rules because maybe some of the state department officials want to come forward and want to blow the whistle about the president. he's got to worry about that and he ought to remove himself and he knows better what he's doing. it is an ou

allen, and democrat, former congresswoman, liz holtzman. >> this administration does not care if we are laughing or setting our hair on fire or if we are saying this crosses a red line. they're doing it, they're doubling down on it and that'll leave office. >> there is a problem for the administration on capitol hill. >> where? >> it is on capitol hill right now. they got their guys going out there. their real tough loyalists going out there and saying there was no quid pro quo. they have been doing it for weeks. these guys are testifying the folks from the state department vote for others and they come out saying no quid pro quo here. mick mulvaney goes out, hey, there is as quid pro quo, not only that but it is standard operating procedures. i have been talking to folks with republican aides, this is a massive problem for us. >> okay. they're saying that behind closed doors. you are saying this assuming we are playing a game where goal is don't get moved every possible day. is it really a problem? yes. there are certain republicans who are standing up and giving speeches on the se

seemed clear earlyt( on that @euzwards alabama, then sharpie-gate happened. liz, you look ready tofá attack this one. mhts? >> anything is possible. whoever in noaa who needs to come out and protect trumpe1 -- studies say maybe 5%, 10% chance it would hiti] alabama. there are chances a lot@:q things could happen. i could be on the cover of "sports illustrated." it's possible. there's a small chance. trump needed lpnoaa toqe1 come d double down on thisxdxdlp tinyÑ. it's4spreposterous. >> anybody of you guys noti] surprised by this? everybody is just nodding in agreement. >> he alsoe1 trotted out his homeland security adviser on this issue as welle1 and other senior officials to back him up1 including the presse1 secretary who has beent( anw3Ñi attack do him. the main thing for me is basic trust in government. you want to trust your government when these storms are coming. you wav(8 to trust what the higher-ups are saying about potential impacts, whether you have to evacuate.q i think this does no good for the idea of citizens trustinge1 what their government is telling them,e1 espec

. >> thank you. >>> joining me liz goodwin, and peter baker, white house correspond for "new york times," and co-author of the book "impeachment, an american history." >>> i'm going to ask one question and then hold you over through the break. the headline in that, peter, what struck you? >> i'm struck by the urgency he expressed, that they feel that they got caught on the wrong side of the mueller case by dragging it out, by having the investigation drag out so far that it lost any sense of public outrage that might be there right now, if they don't act quickly, they don't act in an expedient fashion, they could lose momentum for this as well. that's why you've seen them move in remarkable fashion this how doesn't move quickly on anything, yet in the few space of days, the speaker announced the inquiry, we saw the subpoenas, and setting of depositions, the release of the whistle-blower complaint. that's breakneck speed for this particular impeachment. the question is, where will it end up? >>> also the things that the congressman wants to hear about, learn from all these depositions. w

argument 2020 will be a referendum on trump administration policies. joining me liz goodman, political reporter for ""the boston globe"" and a political reporter from politico. thank you both for joining me. is kellyanne conway right or do you think it will be obscured by president trump himself and his overall approach to the presidency? >> i think it will be obscured. there's no distinguishable notion between the administration and himself. he's known to go off or change his message and in a day he can be talking about immigration. yesterday we saw after touting the good headlines of the economy with e, gdp number, gdp went in to talking about the mueller report, talking about a so-called coup, talking about guns because he was at the nra meeting, convention he was at. we know the president doesn't always stay on what would be considered a good message for him. >> a new poll shows most persons believe the president lied to the public about matters that were under investigation by the special counsel. liz, how much concern does trump advisers have regarding the character question? >>

to bring in liz goodewin and laura bassett. to that point, laura, how unprecedented is something like this, keeping this type of information from the presidentt absolutely stunning. it is unimaginable that this is supposed to be the commander in chief and he's actually seen as a liability to the country. his own intelligence officials don't trust him with this information, so they're going behind his back and stopping russian interference into our elections because they believe either he's going to -- either he's going to mess up the program deliberately or unintentionally. they don't trust the president of the united states. we have never seen this before. >> speaking volumes with that. what do you suppose this story came out? we heard that maybe the message being sent to russia, would that be the sole purpose here? >> it is interesting that sending a message to russia might be part of the intention here, just so that russia knows, you know, the u.s. has this capability as 2020 is getting closer. there also could be an intention to send a message to the president himself that th

went because they felt very strongly about the monument to robert e. lee. >> well, joining me is liz plank, host of consider it and michelle goldbergings columnist and jessica garrison, senior investigative editor. thank you all for being here. just this morning trying to defend the president's comments. >> but for joe biden, when's been in public life, elected at 29, to come out and have no vision, no accountability for the obama/biden record didn't mention president obama but mentioned charlottesville and try to use it for political purposes. >> it is a simple question. >> it is not. it is a complicated topic. >> was the response perfect? >> when president trump condemned evil, violence and then took it many steps further and called out neo-nazis -- >> was his response perfection? >> darn near perfection. >> you get a sense that the president trying to play it both ways? >> yeah. that's always what he tries to say. there's good people on both sides and obviously saying that neo-nazis who are good and in the same sort of idea sentence is a same idea and what the republican party wan

, liz win stead creator of the daily show, defense attorney midwin charles, georgia state representative erika thomas and maria kumar. thank you for being here. liz, i'm going to take our dinner conversation, we were out the other night chatting -- >> is that what you call it? >> railing, chatting, whatever you want to call t the thing is that this conversation about women's liberty, i would have to say, has come to a point where republicans aren't veiling anymore the idea that women should maybe go to jail, which donald trump said, that women really shouldn't have any self-determination, really they just need to be under the control of men. >> i think for me and what we talked about so profoundly is this is not new. i formed an organization in 2012 because in 2010 i started watching these laws happen, i started watching state legislators say things that were aberrant. you look at georgia and you are like, oh, my god, georgia now. no. in 2012 a georgia state rep literally compared pregnant people to heifers saying why do we have to allow for women to be able to have miscar

honest reckoning, people like donald trump jr. and liz cheney and other opportunists try to score cheap rhetorical points and something that will intensify as we march toward the election. no amount of debased and news cycle trolling can obscure the moral stakes here. the president of the united states was greeted for his kickoff rally for his campaign yesterday by white supremacist supporters flashing white power signs. one reporter quoted a disillusioned gop operative who said the trump campaign is well aware of the organized participation of proud boy rallies merging into trump events. they don't care. we know how the president feels about those who marched in charlottesville. >> you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. >> it's the same president who uses all the darkest rhetoric of authoritarian nationalism to rail against the shadowy forces of internal enemies. he accuses immigrants of investing the country like vermin the way nazis talked about juice and others. this rhetoric has been made into policy on the gro

new york times," congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming on friday said she was concerned about the president's restraint in response to the downing of the u.s. drone comparing it to before president obama's unfulfilled threat to strike syria if it crossed a line by using chemical weapons. the third ranking house republican said weakness is provocative, a world in which response to attacks on american assets is to pull back or accept the attack is a world in which america won't be able to successfully defend our interests. meanwhile, the paper says cheney's, congressman adam of illinois, the question is were you not asking about casualties when you made the decision. i would much rather us not start than do this. i'm all for proportionate response, and maybe that needed to change but i don't think this sends a great message, and according to the "wall street journal," citing defense department officials, vice president mike pence supported the planned military strike on iran but also agreed with the president's decision to stop them. >>> the trump administration has released half of

biden, beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg. what do you make of that, liz? >> i would say there are several polls that we should be looking at. the poll that came out yesterday that surveyed voters showed that kamala harris went up from sixth place up to first and julian castro had a big jump. we know that the latin community will be the largest minority voting bloc in 2020. >> how do we know that? how do we know that? >> well, many studies have shown our community is increasing not only in voting age but numbers overall. will 00,000 every single day. so we know the candidate that is elected in 2020 in the democratic primaries will not win the general election. >> so there is a lot of talk about, you know, who won, who lost and, rick, i think these polls aren't just being watched closely by these campaigns but by the trump campaign. what do they take away from what we have seen so far? >> well, i think joe biden has been moved. harris is right where she wants to be because you do not want to be the front runner this early o. >> wouldn't trump rather run against her than biden? >> it's too e

hour. mike, thank you. >>> joining me now liz goodwin, political reporter for "the boston globe" and wanna summers, national reported for associated press. thank you for joining me today. how significant is this revelation here? does it make it more or less likely that mcghan will testify? >> i think what's significant about this revelation it shows the length the white house was willing to go in order to show their belief that president donald trump did not fact obstruct justice in the wake of the report special counsel robert mueller put out, which obviously is something democrats on capitol hill are using to continue their investigations into this president. i think we're waiting to see whether or not he will indeed testify but i think it certainly isn't -- this revelation will not do anything to kwas the tensions on capitol hill between democrats and republicans, as democrats continue to investigate this and as republicans like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell declared this is case closed on that report. >> liz, what do you make of the response from mcghan's side? do y

decided whether to pursue the man slaughter charge. joining me now, liz winsted, thank you both for being here. i want to go to you first, joyce. just a quick piece from this. the investigation shows the only one true victim in this was the unborn baby says pleasant grove police at the time of the shooting. it was the mother of the child initiated who altered into the death of her unborn baby. your thoughts, joyce. >> this indictment is really ironic in a lot of ways. for one thing it is not warranted under alabama law. the law is very clear. no women should be charged in connection with the pregnancy. i expect miss jones will file a motion to dismiss and have this indictment tossed. this is i think is a poorly thought out indictment that can now be picked up by people who want to move forward and perhaps get us into an environment where women can be charged. alabama's brand new abortion bill explicitly carved out. it actually protects the women who seek. this could be a start of a new trend here. >> to say that the only victim is the unborn baby is to say the person is physically s

taking onto pelosi of her san francisco district. >> mike, thank you. liz goodwin, and charlie savage, and yamiche, welcome everybody. yamiche, the president is piling on his attacks against cummings and he's bringing nancy pelosi into this. what do you make of how all of this is playing out the last 24 hours. >> this is an example of president trump yet again scapegoating an african-american making a political point. he's talking about baltimore right now, he could be talking about chicago next week and go to detroit, all of those cities have in common is they have large african-american communities that are struggling at times and who are an example that the president wants to use to really make dog whistles at white nationalists. i often have been talking to people about whether or not the president is doing this to those specifically to his base and people said these are not dog whistles. members of the white caucuses says this is house of wolves. mulvaney is clearly saying this is working for us and he's going to continue to do that. the trump campaign has told me specific

. liz, great to see you. this is really relevant, this whole last few years has been relevant to your particular experience during watergate, but this is really relevant now because we have what we have in the mueller investigation. after all these pages and redactions, there are still a lot of questions we don't have answered. we're more certain about some things, that the trump campaign absolutely benefited from whatever it was the russians were doing. and there are real questions to be answered. do you feel that more -- that it will be clearer if the judiciary committee is able to interview robert mueller and bill barr? >> well, they won't find anything out from bill barr. bill about a are oig has bebarr obstruct mueller. so i don't hold any candle there for -- or any hope that he will do anything that will illuminate the truth. as for mueller, i don't know what he is going to say, but i think the focus and the obsession with the two of them has to end. what the american people have to hear from is not robert mueller, but they need to hear from the witnesses like don mcgahn who cou

anything as president. he would simply be a citizen. >> liz, you have been through a process that is not the same as this but is similar. and it ultimately resulted in richard nixon not being president. although, he was not voted on by the senate. in fact, the full house never even voted on impeachment in the nixon case. >> no, because the evidence was so overwhelming, richard nixon understood that he was going to be convicted in the senate and rather than go through the humiliation of that, he resigned. >> in this particular case, what we have here are polls that show about -- it's about split. half of americans want an impeachment and some want a removal from office. about half don't. but we've not had the public hearings on this issue that the republicans have been complaining about the process until now. but we are going to have public hearings. that's what today's vote showed. >> right. definitely will have public hearings and that's critical. that's something i've been concerned about from the get-go and i know you have and a lot of people have. the american people have to see the

kind of movement from republicans. >> well, you know, liz holtzman, who is a congresswoman on the committee when i worked for it on the nixon impeachment, had it absolutely right. at the beginning there was a trickle. i think at the time the first vote was taken there were maybe seven republican votes for impeachment but not a majority. and then when the tapes came out and it showed that mixon had been lying, barry goldwater and carl curtis went to the white house and barry goldwater said mr. president, you've lied to me for the last time. your support in the senate is zero. and until that point there was a clear republican majority prepared to hang out to dry for richard nixon. of course they all lost in next year's election, which is what's going to happen to these republicans if they don't change their tune. but i agree with congressman holtzman. it may not be a torrent at first but? are going to come and as the facts come out assuming the house does proceed with an inquiry, which is all the house judiciary committee did with nixon, they're just in the middle of an inquiry -- >

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gave me representation as well. >> yes, we had you on with him. >> yes. and liz smith, a congresswoman from texas said, you know honey, the only thing you need to know about donald trump is he's a 7-year-old who never grew old. and that's a pretty good working way to understand where he's coming from. because kids when they get into a fight don't think about what's good in the long term. how should they constructively work their way out of this to get to a good resolution? what he thinks is there's a thing in front of me now, i don't like it, i'm going to strangle it to the ground. even if it's not in my self-interest to do this. that's why i keep doubling down on this bonkers claims about alabama. >> frank figliuzzi, what i keep thinking about when we see the president with his hand on an image doctored by a black sharpie is so that was a lie that was brought to light because the president held it. all of the things that he does on tape are lies that we know about because he does them on tape. what do you think the sort of scope of the iceberg is underwater? what is happening behind t

. night two, liz wetting warren, pete buttigieg. he is busy with his other job as mayor of south bend, indiana. he is now directing his police chief to order that officers keep their body cameras on at all times while interacting with the public. that's after a white officer shot and killed a black man in south bend over the weekend. police said that officer's body cam was not on. >> a member of our south bend family lost his hand at the hand of another member of our family. a constant stories showing things that tarnish the badge and fuel mistrust. we cannot pretend this is unrelated to race. >> let's get back to the trail with nbc news road warriors on the road to the first debates in miami. savannah is in my home state. savannah, first to you. talk about what you are hearing and seeing from voters on the road. >> reporter: hey, hallie. we started the week in western pennsylvania in deeply red venango county. people told us their support is not rock solid for trump. many said they will be watching the debate to see if there is a democratic candidate they might want to support. we ha

nation are begging for political leadership. >> very quickly liz holtzman, is that the big concern that the democrats will have this testimony on the books and then will do nothing? because what else could they possibly have in order if they're going to proceed on impeachment? they've got mueller now talking. >> right. i think if he makes the point clearly, the democrats really have a responsibility to the constitution and to the american people to start the process. you don't need to show a crime, you need to show a high crime and misdemeanor, in other words, an assault on our democracy by the president, an abuse of his power. >> yeah. >> i think there is ample evidence of that. >> yeah. >> that is the kind of case that needs to be made. >> yeah. >> because otherwise our democracy is in danger. >> indeed. david jolly, liz holtzman, thank you very much. >>> up next, the president's continued attacks on the four congresswomen of color. william barber is here to talk about racist comments coming from the nation's highest office right after this. these folks, they don't have time to g

any signals. kind of a menu of difficult political decisions. >> let's talk a little strategy, liz. house speaker nancy pelosi has been very serious, kind of calm and measured through all this yesterday. the democrats who were coming out after the vote, many of them, if not all, talked about how solemn the occasion it was, how seriously they were taking it. and yet against what jake and i were just talking about, this sort of scorched earth message that the president and republicans have used the calm a measured win against that? >> it could because ultimately the american people will make the decision here. what they have to do is see the facts. you have a president of the united states who said -- he said it. i can shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and my people, they'd support it. so he thinks he can take the equivalent of shooting someone on fifth avenue, shooting a foreign country, ap buzing the power of his office to get re-elected which he's not allowed to do, and everyone will support it. the fact of the matter is the american people have to see the facts, they ha