and definitely natlie jackson. and with all of those components working together and their working day in and day out. and natlie had inside scoops with the newsroom. that really just helped us out and in a big way. and so, those definitely were major components to our strategy to get justice, to get an arrest. >> so, what also struck me was the way that you almost had to campaign for justice.and in various different phases of the campaign. i think it is easy to consolidated all now years later. but in the book we see campaign after campaign started frankly, with the release of these 9-1-1 tapes in the first place. this is before you were asking why has this man not be arrested? but one of the first big things that the attorney pushes for and you are all pushing for public is, let's release the tapes. and here the interaction. what was going through your head at this moment in time where you know you have been played the tape one time quickly in the initial interview. the public has not heard and the whole family h