a lot of talent but do you think he's worth the trama he brings sometimes. >> he just hasn't gotten better. going back to orlando, i don't know how much he cares about game. for $22 million. he's a little more mature than whiteside. i feel like he doesn't really care about the game. you can see he hasn't gotten better through the years which tells me he hasn't work that had hard to be a great center. he is obviously a very good player, but it just doesn't excite me. i know a lot of heat fans would like to see howard here, the fresh start under patriae lee and all of that stuff. he's -- pat riley. he has a back back. i do believe pat riley is looking at that deal along with a lot of other deals deals a veteran player to upgrade this team right now, but it doesn't do it for me. howard can stay where he is. >> you say 30 like it is ancient. i am sure a lot of viewer are like, joe, come on, man. >> 30, if you have been playing since you come out of high school. time. >> 12 or 13 years in league. little better; right. >> thank you. >> if count down is on the to 58th annual grammy awards. taylor