. >> you know, when we do things like that, michael, the united kingdom is very much a partner of the united states in these things. >> absolutely, 100%. >> so, i mean, did you question it then? the whole idea of going into afghanistan, which is ruled by the tribal organizations, you know, this one living in a cave and that one living in aive ka, i mean, were you uncertain of that yourself? >> yeah, personally, you know, a lot of my guys questioned it. the reason for that, you have to look back to the insurgency in vietnam. you have to look at the soviets going into afghanistan in the 1980s, who walked away with their tail between their legs, and look at the way we didn't achieve the objectives in iraq. you have to look at the history. for me, the key thing the west needs to get their head around is that the domestic populations will of the occupying force -- so, for instance, in this case, the u.s. public or the u.k. public -- their will will shatter sooner than any insurgent will will, because it's a fight for national survival. if you had insurgents coming across the national borde