. >> let's move to anthony wiener who extraordinarily, a new poll in the race to new york city mayor has stormed to the lead 25%, what does this tell us about america's power of forgiveness? do leopards change their spots? will we have one of the most powerful politicians in america hold by somebody sending photos of his weaner to other women? >> they don't change subtenially. they do not change unless there is some intensive treatment to somebody. >> does it make him ill fitting to hold an office -- >> that i'm not in position to say but change is difficult, really difficult, even when somebody goes off the rail from behaviors that caused lots of trouble, to change subten live is a difficult problem for people. >> he's a strange charter. i met him a few times, interviewed him. he took on donald trump, super confident before this happened but doesn't show confidence now. he has been through a disgrace that would bring many men crashing to his knees never to recover and he's out there center stage saying look, there are other pictures of me that haven't come out yet, i'll take my chan