our second guest, returning to us from an earlier program, taylor sturmer, a historian for colonial williamsburg. welcome to the conversation. the election.ut anybody who thinks there is hard knuckle politics today, look at the election of 1884 that brought grover cleveland into the white house. pretty rough stuff. what was it like? guest: politics is brutal. we do think about earlier elections in american history in which they are taking swings at each other like jefferson and , but in 1800 election politics in 1880s, with the growth of the newspapers, is personal, visceral, and because of the way political parties developed, they are able to take these swipes at each other that we would find surprising today. in 1884, all of these things are coming out in 1884 election because you have two candidates who could not be more different. you have grover cleveland on the -- he hasho had been very little political experience of this sort. he was mayor of buffalo in 1881, elected governor of new york in two years later, he is the democratic nominee for president. that is all the major political experi

can we hear from the williamsburg in brooklyn? or port jefferson out in long the endor anywhere on of long island. maybe you hear it -- you live in southampton or east hampton. anywhere along the atlantic ocean. we ask your support. the riverlive along in the new york area, the hudson river, the great south bay, the connecticut river. we urge you to call in and let us know you're there. if you live and as -- minnesota or missouri or montana, go to the phone. maryland is in the house. arizona? wyoming, the dakotas, we ask you to call. carolinas, we ask for your support. can we get a few from georgia? portland oregon is in the house. a call from richmond, mississippi. and jonah's called in from st. louis, missouri. and how about moab, which i just visited. the amazing read city. we urge you to call. william kolding from forde city. dennis from philadelphia. can we hear from pittsburgh, which we also just visited? wayne called in from bremerton, washington. pedro,alling from san california. california is so at of everyone else, but y

everyone was making the pilgrimage to williamsburg -- >> see if they could find the magic bullet. >> and rupert tweeted and it caused a big kerr if yo if you . i know why. because we have all the things that they want. >> rose: you know what's interesting, the idea that somehow young people don't like news. >> it's wrong. >> rose: it's wrong. >> 100% wrong. >> rose: it's totally wrong. >> our success on youtube is our news content. it's so successful we're launching a news channel with google, 18 languages, 18 countries, 24 hours a day, because it has been so successful. ?owrks they are turning off traditional news, and that's i think the fault of trcialght're traditional news media -- >> what's the fault? >> if you're gen-y and grew up during the last invasion of iraq, especially in afghanistan, and what's come out since-- there were no weapons of mass destruction. anyone with half a brain knew saddam hussein and the ba'ath party was a secular regime that were anti-al qaeda. but it became seen as almost anti-american to question theinivation, and you say i thought that was american

this is the beating heart of williamsburg even in the 1830's. all the social activity, they are really living at the center of it in this fantastic 18th- century house. after they moved here, when letitia is running the going to behe is operating out of a house. she is running their various plantations all over the place. 1839.ffered a stroke and she is still able to retain control of the family at counts, of all the family business while john tyler was getting back involved. he went to was elected as vice president. it is here in the spring of 1841 when he was informed that he became 10 president of the united states. letitia tyler learned that she became the first lady of the united states. over,when her term was juliett tyler and the president retired to the plantation a long be james river. atte john tyler was born greenway. he purchased this house at the end of his presidential term. he came down here once before he was able to retire. he brought with him julia gardiner. she said the hand of god in nature have been counted to my sharewood f

anyw, urban outfitters urging customers at its williamsburg store to belly up to the bar and keep buying. just as tommy bahamas has also discovered, keeping customers buying. what do you think? >> you know, weding dresses come, when your mother went to buy wedding dreeses,you make a little champagne and then you try on dresses and you don't find what cost. >> it really doemake sense. very smart me into this area. >> i don't know. what do you think, they've? >> i tnk if you get under the hood, traditional retail, brick and mortar retail is suffering. you have to find what thing they can dbetter that you can do online. part of it strikes me as if your member a decade ago, the whole entertainment phenomenon. were they doing needing to do more than just give you food. here they are saying we are going to give you somethingyou can't get on amazon. on amazon, they can't do a marquee. here's one, we are goi to make the in-person experience meangful and differentiated. it is not a bad idea to be on the whole dying itheater thing, i thought it was great but then i decidedt wasn't. that's jt . mea

idealogical issue too much and unfortunately, and we were at the camp david like thing, that was in, williamsburg, where we had a group of all the parties including muslim brotherhood and all the rest, that they, we were all in tahrir square, everyone, right? different ideologies. we didn't have the issues. what i'm worried about the older are feeding within the younger generation their idealogically, what you call it, like, you know, roughness on and stubbornness and trying to disperse us. so i think, you know, these are the extreme issues and i sorry taking so much time. >> no. i think that is very interesting. you're fighting, you're fighting tradition and the ideology and i assume that ideology goes beyond political islam? >> yes. >> to being sort of a deference to authority and hierarchy because i've heard a lot of people in different countries that are going through uprisings and revolutions say, that the youth are very worried about people coming in and attempting to recreate centralized authorities, no matter where they come from, no matter if they're coming from the islamist wing or libe